Canucks Interested In Arron Asham / Minor Willie Mitchell Update
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 26, 2010 9:25 PM PDT
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Unrestricted free agent Arron Asham still has not found a home for next season. Asham told PortageOnline.com (the main news source from his hometown of Portage La Prairie, Manitoba) that his first choice is the Flyers, but that the Canucks and Oilers have also shown interest. The 32 year-old 11-year vet right winger looked quite impressive for the Flyers in the playoffs. He scored 4 goals and 7 points in 23 games and averaged 11:14 of ice time. That is a jump in ice time compared to the regular season, where he averaged 10:05, scoring 10 goals and 24 points in 72 games. That is about all that you'll get out of Asham in a bottom 6 role if you look at his career stats.
The 5'11" 209 pound tough guy made $600,000 last season and may not get much more of a raise than that considering teams' cap situations. Whatever...I'm in. I'd sign this guy.
As for Willie Mitchell....
Michael Russo from the Minnesota Tribune tweeted that Willie is not ready to take a physical yet. Russo said early July that he had talked to Mitchell and that Willie was hoping to sign with a team later in the summer. If Mitchell passes his physical down the road the bidding war for his services will most likely get too high for Mike Gillis. Perhaps this image that I saw on Twitter today (hat tip to Steve Quilala) is a prelude of what is to come:
Breaks my heart. Oh, and f*ck you, Malkin!
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I’d love to see Asham in at Hordichuk’s expense.
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If he cuts his hair, I`ll consider him.
I wonder what the actual sale price is on those jerseys. I`d buy one in a heartbeat. What a fucking warrior.
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What about his side burns?
Maybe he should shave those damn side burns?
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by Section 312 on Jul 27, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Awesome Simpsons ep
RIP Steinbrenner.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 27, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Bye bye Boss.
I love how they did Strawberry as one of the best players…and still flawed…
One of my fave episodes from the old ones…
Go ’Topes!
You know the episode where the team threatens to move to Albuquerque?
Well when a AAA baseball actually got placed in Albuquerque, they named it the Isotopes! It’s awesome. I went to one of their games back when I had the unfortunate occasion of being in New Mexico.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 27, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you
get any mescaline? ether? God I hope you didn’t stop in bat country.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 27, 2010 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
The team used to be the Calgary Cannons, by the way. Does that make it funnier?
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 27, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
very much so.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 27, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
When the Cannons moved to Albuquerque, they were the Triple-A affiliate of the Florida Marlins, which have been my favorite team since their inception into Major League Baseball. I remember when they relocated and the Marlins announcers were very confused as to what Albuquerque’s team name meant. That is the end of my story.
by creeperjones on Jul 28, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
This would please me. Asham and Rypien would be a force on the fourth line.
by creeperjones on Jul 28, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
YES
I’d take Asham.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 26, 2010 10:04 PM PDT reply actions
My ceiling would be around $800K, like Hansen. Similar output but much more gritty.
Poutine & Meatballs
Asham? I’d pay him up to a mil!
A veteran will get more than Hansen…11 years it said he has been around? And he was impressive in the playoffs.
I had better get down to the Canuck Store to get a Mitchell jersey on sale.
Indeed a warrior SSC…if he passes the physical, the only way he is staying is if the family lays down the law and says they want to stay in Vancity.
Somehow, I think he will have some serious bidders if he gets the OK.
Oh yeah…definitely Fuck You Malkin. Hockey karma is a bitch, and you will get yours…dirty prick.
Dud is a 4th liner though. Do you want to pay $1 mill for that?
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 27, 2010 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, I would hope to get him for a little less…around 800K…but yeah…in a world where Hordi makes that and more…I would!
Well you’re assuming Hordi is on the roster to start with. He wouldn’t be on my roster. So it’s someone else’s spot that’s getting taken… Tambo or Oyster or Glass, possibly.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 27, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
In other news
Hamhuis did another interview…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NU-OWYSdJY
Sort of tough to hear, but nice of him to sit down with a teenage reporter.
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I’ve never taken to Hordichuk so Asham would be an upgrade but at no more than $750,000.
With MayRay signing for 5.2 that’s got to be the end of Bieksa.
Going to church makes you a Christian just as much as standing in a garage makes you a car.
5.1 over two years...
is only 2.5 for this year (and 2.6 for next year)
Sorry if you already knew that
He would be an upgrade over Hordichuk, but I believe he’s a little bit overrated after only achieving recent success in the playoffs. I would want him for only 900K or less.
This. Nobody was talking about him until that playoff run, I do believe.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
Because nobody ever sees him playing regular season games in Philly. He puts the effort in night in and night out.
Furthermore, I have been conducting some independent research over the last two seasons and have concluded that there is a direct relationship between Asham’s on-ice success and his greasy mop length: the hair must remain!
C’mon GMMG, make Hordichuk go the way of the Pyatt, Bernier, etc.
he would be a nice addition to our bottom 6
plays 10 min a night, puts up 20 + points per season while throwing hits and fights…
what makes him a valuable enforcer is that he actually puts up points… in fact, his point total last year during the regular season is greater than rypien and hordichuk combined…
a 4th line of oreskovich and asham hitting everything in site? :D
YES
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 27, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure
I’m not sure I like Asham all that better than the person who he would be replacing (he’d presumably cost either Tambellini or Oreskovich or Glass a spot). I mean, he’d be an upgrade, sure, but is it worth it?
If we’re still dealing Bieksa, I’d prefer trying to find a REAL upgrade for the 3rd line. Not convinced Asham is that. Happy to be proven wrong, of course, if we acquire him.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
Problem is Bieksa should be moved for a pick or a high prospect (or both if the other GM is under the gun). It would be better for Vancouver to treat it like a pure salary dump. In a way, it’s almost fitting if we move him to San Jose.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 27, 2010 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
I simply meant if we were going to be spending the money to upgrade L3 or L4 using some of the money saved through Bieksa, spend it on someone better than Asham.
I do realize Kariya has seemingly balked at coming here in the past, but I still think that he’d be a solid option. Or Bill Guerin. Someone who can actually play top 6 minutes in a pinch if necessary. Or Ponikarovsky (although I expect he’d be too expensive).
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
I like Belanger… but we already have 2-3 line 3 centres (Malholtra, possibly Hodgson, possibly Schroeder)
The way I see it… the two positions I would like to see upgraded are 4th line centre and 3rd line winger. I would be happy with one more legit version of either.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 27, 2010 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I think – even in regards to Asham – that MG is done. Unless someone cheap drops in his lap (still a possibility with 7 weeks until camp), the third and fourth lines will be battles between the lower tiered and fringe guys. Just like last season.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 27, 2010 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Just say no
To Hordichuck
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Yes agreed
NO HORDI
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 27, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
True enough
Madden then, perhaps? Or Fedotenko?
I’m not anti-Asham, I just think we can do better.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
I just don’t think we have the $$$ to do better. More than Bieksa has to get traded in that case.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 27, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
agree…this would be easy if there were no cap; the aquilinis are more than willing to buy a cup.
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Great minds think alike Jevant. I suggested a few weeks ago, that Bill Guerin would be a great acquisition. A 20G-20A, gritty player that would, in my opinion, be perfect on our 3rd Line. He brings experience, work ethic, and 2 cup rings. He would be a great role model and leader, especially for Hodgson, potentially playing on the same line. I realize that Guerin put up points last season playing with Crosby, but Hodgson is a pretty good playmaker (Not saying he’s anywhere near as good as Crosby, but he has above average playmaking skills). He would also bring a wicked shot to the PP.
To me, this bottom 6 would be sick:
Malhotra – Hodgson – Guerin
Oreskovich – Rypien – Hansen
With Glass as our 13th forward.
I’m no Bill Guerin expert, so maybe some of our Nucks/Pens fans could give their opinion on Guerin. Where you at andrew21nz ?
I suspect there has been interest in Guerin and Ponikarovsky but both are probably looking for top 6 veteran money, which they wont get unless a team like Atlanta or the Islanders need to hit a cap floor. If we add another 3rd liner it’ll likely be at 1.25 mil or less if we deal a d-man.
Guerin: at 38 and 39 brought leadership and presence to the Penguins and scored some meaningful points. Even dropped ‘em a couple times. He wasn’t the answer for them on Crosby’s wing, but he was positive addition. I think we’ll see how much he wants to play at 40 if he signs with anyone but an east coast team. I doubt he’d sign with the Canucks if for that reason only.
Ponikarovsky: landed the dream spot playing wing with Crosby. I guess he couldn’t remember to go to the net with his stick on the ice. KHL here he comes. Do the Canucks want a career underachiever?
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by Joe Hockey Fan on Jul 27, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s so bad it’s good. +1
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by Joe Hockey Fan on Jul 27, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Poni
signed with Los Angeles today, I guess he’ll be getting Kopitar to feed him.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 27, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Poni
signed with Los Angeles today.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 27, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed Jevant. People seem to like that Asham brings grit, hitting, size, toughness, and scoring.
If you look at our bottom six, we’ve already brought in players as a group that bring these qualities. Although yet to complete a full season, Oreskovich is bigger (6’3"), hit more, and blocked more shots than Asham in 22 less games. Oreski has stated that he wants to fight more as well. Lets not forget we also still have Rypien. Rypien is tough as nails and is always willing to drop the gloves against anyone. Scoring wise, we’ve added Malhotra, and Hodgson is poised to join the roster. With Hansen set to play a full season (no more fighting please), he’ll be able to contribute more as well.
I want MG to add Asham if he’s not looking at anyone else. But i would prefer a better player on the third line. More of a scoring winger with experience.
Bring Back Carter?
I know he’s 36 and has been out of the NHL for a while, but I wonder if there’d be any value to inviting Anson Carter to training camp? I’m sure he regrets the contract dispute of ’06 that saw him shipped to Columbus, and maybe the chance to come back as a veteran presence would be good for the prospects?
Unless he’s lost more than one step he’d be a solid upgrade for the third line. Malhotra, Carter and Hansen together could be pretty exciting. If he can’t skate anymore that’s one thing, but if it was just down to dollars I’m sure GMMG could make a few moves to pull this off – at least until Burrows is healthy, anyway.
Does this just take away an opportunity for some of the kids to make the team though? What do fans REALLY want, to see the draft picks evolve and become contributors or to ice the best possible team in any given season? So frustrating that those are rarely the same thing…
Then again...
If the mercenary route is the approach MG chooses to take, I’d probably rather sweet-talk Kariya and/or Selanne into signing up for a year as their last best chance to pursue a Cup.
That would definitely require some folks with fat contracts leaving town, though. Not even sure Mitchell AND Bieksa would be enough, but I somehow think Paul and Teemu would take a discount (hometown, in one instance) to play together again and to do it for a serious contender. Would their egos allow them to be role players, though? (Read: would their agents’ egos allow it?)…
by Duck, Roberto! on Jul 27, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Mitchell AND Bieksa would be enough
remember though, Mitchell is already off the books and we are over the cap.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 27, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh crap ---
So we’re still/already over with both Mitchell and Demitra off the books? I clearly need to brush up on my capology. I know people are talking about how starting the year without Burrows and Salo offers us some ‘relief’ from the cap, but it just makes me feel uneasy. Maybe I’ll feel better after the first trim of the roster…
by Duck, Roberto! on Jul 27, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
No
Not that I wouldn’t mind a brethren coming back to the Canucks. But if he came it would be strictly as a mercenary, nothing more. And if thats the case, why not get Kariya or Guerin?
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 27, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
There will be more dealing in Philly
I think, and so Asham has a pretty good chance of re-signing there. It’s where he wants to be.
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by Joe Hockey Fan on Jul 27, 2010 10:09 AM PDT reply actions
I agree
Why on earth would Philly not want to re-sign this guy? I am actually surprised its been this long into the summer that he is not signed by Philly or another team. I don’t watch philly but was impressed with his energy and nose for the net. I really hope we get him… doubt it though.
I do watch Philly (I watch everybody) and his energy and nose for the net is there every game. Things are decidedly weird in Philly right now — pop over to BSH and see what I mean — or I think he would’ve been signed there too.
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by Joe Hockey Fan on Jul 27, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
It may have to do with how much he is asking for. Philly has cap issues. Asham is a 4th liner who had a great playoffs and is looking to cash in. But he’s still a 4th liner. He and Philly and other clubs may differ on his market value as a result.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 27, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t Philly sign Jody Shelly? Oh yeah, they did, and they paid him $1.1 million too yet. There’s their other goon. I don’t think Asham has a home there anymore
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 27, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
That makes sense...
Didn’t know about the Shelly signing. I only watched the a few Philly/Habs games and the finals. That’s exactly what he must be doing—cashing in on a good playoffs. His agent is probably seeing who will pay him a mill +/-
I would take a chance and sign Mitchell right now, for as low as possible (which means of course, that plans need to be in place to make cap room for him). I just don’t believe that he is giving up on his career yet. And it is more likely that he will take a sure thing now (less money, that is), than wait for the physical and hope that he passes.
The Canucks can afford to take a chance on him, because they already have a solid defense corps without him.
Los Angeles, CA
I don’t think so. The impression I have is that Mitchell wants to play with Vancouver, but is holding off signing anything until after he passes his physical, when he’ll start taking offers. There’s going to be a bidding war for his services if he can stay upright for two minutes at a time, never mind being able to skate, too.
Unless Mitchell wants to take a big haircut on his pay, I don’t see the Canucks winning that war. Hope springs eternal, though!
This bidding war you are expecting
who is involved and why?
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This.
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by Joe Hockey Fan on Jul 27, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
If he can play...
…Then every team that wants a shut-down defenceman is going to be interested.
Anaheim, Dallas, Carolina, Washington, Edmonton should all be interested and have room for a clear upgrade.
Pittsburgh, Manhattan, and Atlanta have probably spent too much money on their back end, but they should be interested.
There isn’t a team out there that couldn’t use him, Vancouver included. But we’re going to find out in a month or so.
How will they know he can play
until he actually gets out on the ice and plays or not?
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They won’t really. I say they sign him to a relatively low salary with a no trade clause. If we want’s to stay with the Canucks he’ll be all over it.
Minnesota is interested in Mitchell too. As is Washington, apparently
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 27, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Read what I wrote.
Tell me where I think a bidding war is going to happen before he skates. Really. In any of my posts, anywhere in Nucks Misconduct. Anywhere at all.
When you find it, let me know so I can figure out where you got this idea from.
Huh?
Where did I say anything about you thinking there would be a bidding war before he skates? I am confused.
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by Section 312 on Jul 28, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Here?
How will they know he can play
until he actually gets out on the ice and plays or not?
Or am I misunderstanding this?
You said "If he can play"
and I simply asked you the above question. I didn’t have anything to do with the bidding war.
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by Section 312 on Jul 28, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, I see. I think the bidding war won’t happen until he hits the ice, and thought you were continuing your earlier comment
This bidding war you are expecting
who is involved and why?
No one’s going to be doing any serious pitching until he plays, and even a desperate team or two may offer him a sheet before hand. If Mitchell wants to play for Vancouver, he’s going to get less money than if he simply goes to the highest bidder.
Don’t get me wrong, I think WM is a very good D, but I understood his concussion was a very serious one and he was not at all likely to play again; and that he hasn’t even been well enough to skate since it happened. Do I have that wrong?
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by Joe Hockey Fan on Jul 27, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Last I heard the symptoms of his concussion had cleared up, but now it’s a matter of getting in shape. After several months of severely restricted movement I imagine his muscles have significantly atrophied.
That’s great news. I’m glad I had it wrong.
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by Joe Hockey Fan on Jul 27, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, now I see this...
Mitchell has been battling concussion issues and isn’t quite ready to take a physical and sign. He’ll get some significant interest once he is. – James Mirtle, G&M, June 27th, 2010
Good article by Mirtle on UFAs here.
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by Joe Hockey Fan on Jul 27, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see Edmonton as an option
they are young so I don’t see a reason to make a run at an older shut down guy right now. Pittsburgh with Letang, Goligoski and others are pretty solid on the back end. NY has, or better get, Staal as a shut down guy. Atlanta has 6 D men under contract already and are actually pretty solid back there. Carolina is a team that might show interest but I just don’t see a real “bidding war” developing over a guy who may or may not ever play again. If he passes a physical it doesn’t mean he will be anywhere near ready to compete on a nightly basis in the NHL.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
Pittsburgh with Letang, Goligoski and others
especially Martin, Michalek and Orpik
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by Joe Hockey Fan on Jul 27, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus a lot of teams
don’t have owners who are willing to spend money on a guy who might take months to recover. How many teams are willing to pay a guy and then put him on LTIR until he gets healthy? Remember lots of teams have internal caps.
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There is no team in the league he wouldn’t improve the defence of, Vancouver included. None. The number of defenders under contract is very relevant if you can get a top pair guy for very little cash.
Edmonton being so young is exactly a reason why a veteran could be brought in, especially after that Souray debacle: good habits are learned by watching. Pittsburgh has a good team, and you’re probably right, there: they’re hoping Golgoski racks up numbers for them because they need points more than stoppers. The Rangers want Staal to be everything, not just a shut-down guy. That’s great, but he’s not going to play 40 minutes a game. In Atlanta Oduya is far from intimidating, and Bogosian is still learning the game. Imagine Mitchell at Sopel’s price and tell me they wouldn’t be interested.
And that still leaves Anaheim, Dallas and Washington.
As for bringing a player back, it’s definitely risk vs. reward. This is what the Canucks (and rightly, I think) are balking at; but if Mitchell’s as determined to return as he says, then teams are going to be interested. I think a bidding war can open up for him if he prices himself low base with bonuses for games reached. Would you take him for $1 million? How about $1.5 million? How about $1.75 million..?
We’ll see what happens in August, of course: up until then it’s all speculation and the boredom of Summer speaking! For all I know, he never skates in the NHL again. Which I’d actually be okay with.
At Mitchell’s age, you’d think he’s going to favor a team that can make the playoffs or contend for the Cup
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by Sean Zandberg on Jul 28, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Certainly a point in our favour, that. vcd below thinks that the Sharks are in the hunt, too, so… If you have a family, do you turn down money for a shot at glory? If so, how much?
Let’s see if he can skate. Could be an interesting month!
Yeah…its kind of an all bets are off…or discussing hockey in a purely theoretical sense until he straps on the skates and finds out if the bell is still ring.
I just keep getting the image of poor Willie slowly skating around some rink right now, scared to push it…searching himself for symptoms.
I hope that is just supposition, but why have we not heard ANYTHING yet? He said he would start skating mid July, and it is almost the end O’ the month.
Good luck Willie…
Don't forget these guys...
Their fans sure want him too.
It all depends on a physical and getting out on the ice and skating hard. You have to believe he has one of the best concussion doctors advising him on what he can and can not do.
Here’s hoping his last play isn’t a dirty one from Malkin.
Where ever he ends up.
I like Asham
He’s gritty, stepped up to an increased role in the playoffs, seems responsible with the puck, and he’s cheap. Hell, I’d go as far as letting him compete for third line minutes.
My only concern is that he’s a right wing rather than a left wing where we really seem to be lacking someone. I wonder if they were courting him as a backup plan to Hansen in case he got awarded too much in arbitration.
Sorry to beat a dead horse ,but I’d be going after guys like (with cap hits, corsi relative to QoC and Tony Awad’s GVT[goals versus threshold : the value of a player in goals above what a replacement player would have contributed])
Jamie Benn – never happen I know but I can dream can’t I? $0.82M corsi 0.637 GVT 7.2
Nick Foligno – underachiever ready for a bounceback year? $1.2M corsi 0.207 GVT 3.9
Pascal Dupuis – Solid veteran Cap Hit – $1.4M corsi 0.091 GVT 8.7
Sean Bergenheim – Throws lots of hits, smart with the puck Cap Hit -$ 0.86M corsi 0.631 GVT 2.8
Andrew Ladd – Of course! Cap hit $1.55 M Corsi 0.674 GVT 5.4
For comparison :
Mason Raymond : GVT 9.2 Corsi 0.800
Tanner Glass : GVT 0.8 Corsi 0.432
Alex Burrows : GVT 18.1 Corsi 0.252
Steve Bernier : GVT 2.8 Corsi 0.508
Depending on what Ladd gets awarded, which will likely be more than we can afford(because his teammate McCarthur got 2.4), we may be able to work out a trade for Bieksa. Reports had the Canucks interested in him and he’d be perfect for the third line
He would be awesome for the third line, but yeah 2.4 is pretty steep! The Canucks would have to trade a couple guys to swing that!
Either way I’d be happy with a Bieksa trade for a solid third liner. He’s way to expensive to keep around as a number 5/6 defenceman.
a Bieksa trade for a 3rd liner still leaves us over the cap though. Well, I guess I’m not taking Salo’s LTIR into consideration but still.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 27, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade Bieksa for Ladd at the above price of 2.4 and we save a mil.
With Salo’s LTIR we are just under right now.
That’s what I have been hoping and saying for a while…as soon as he gets arbitrated, if the deal is too much for Atl ( and aren’t they owned by a bunch of partners that are weary of losing money? I thought I read something about their ownership being a horror show )
Bieksa for Ladd straight up works for me. Make it happen GMMG.
I don’t think Atlanta took on Ladd to trade him
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 27, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, you never know. They could just be interested in good asset management.
They traded …what was it again? Picks and prospects right? those probably add up to …saaaay…2.2 or so in costs.
If they get Ladd signed for a certain dollar, its a hockey move.
If not, than it is just good asset management and they move him on.
But the kicker is…Bieksa is a million tht might be needed to get to the floor.
You are probably right. He stays. But if they feel that Bieksa can bring more to the team than Ladd, it is still a hockey move….
Shit..re reading that, maybe it aint gonna happen.
Oh well…..
it was just my opinion. I really wonder if we are going to have to wait until after training camp before MG pulls off a deal. There really isn’t a hurry.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 27, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
True dat.
No sense rushing something.
I guess it all depends on if he feels he can get that “last piece” before another team does.
Somebody said earlier this summer that teams can experience a serious injury during training camp, and that opens the door for a trade. Actually, that could only boost our return for Bieksa, as desperation sets in
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by Sean Zandberg on Jul 27, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I have to think you’re probably right. That seems to be GMMG MO anyway. He likes to hold on to his guys and make sure he’s got a full roster for opening day.
Won’t stop me from fantasizing though!
I think he actually said that weeks ago.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jul 28, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
KB has been injured quite a bit. Maybe not ideal trade bait, even for a third liner.
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by Joe Hockey Fan on Jul 27, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
But they're
random unlucky injuries!
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 27, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah…ummm..no Joe.
Common misconception though.
The man was victim to some rare bad luck…twice.
You here about a very small handful of skate cuts happening to players every year, and he had it happen twice.
The fact he is wearing kevlar socks now kind of negates his obvious kryptonite…apart from those two freak injuries, he has actually been a fairly durable player, especially for the style he plays.
;-)
Yeah I know. I was just seeing if I could get a rise out of Yankee Canuck. He and I had a discussion about Gaborik being injury-prone.
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by Joe Hockey Fan on Jul 27, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
What was there to discuss? haha, Gaborik is weak sauce. Helluva player but..
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by Sean Zandberg on Jul 27, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
There's always something to discuss.
Hence…hockey blogs!
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by Joe Hockey Fan on Jul 27, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Excellent….banter is a dying art…now I know!
Yeah…Gabby is a china doll compared to Bieksa.
He is more like the Black Night….Python edition.
An MPFC ref. Well-played, sir!
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by Joe Hockey Fan on Jul 28, 2010 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Right now we are 2.6 million above the cap…. with a 23 man roster. We don’t need to carry a 23 man roster… 22 man is easily good enough. That means two warm bodies riding the bench each night. Trading Bieksa = -3.75. Dumping 1 other player off the roster = -0.75 (if it is – please – Hordi)
So that puts us at 4.5 – 2.6 = at least $1.9 under the cap with a move of Bieksa. That should be able to get us a legit 3rd liner easily, and with still a bit of cap to spare?
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 27, 2010 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t forget the LTIR of Salo.
Ziemer at the Sun seems to think that maybe he is done done…or that they are avoiding any talk about the severity cuz they just don’t know.
That gives GMMG much more flex room in his roster machinations…
done done. A man can dream. Easy, Beantown..
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by Sean Zandberg on Jul 27, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
If he retires I would be fine with it. But, I would also be happy if he returned and played as well in the playoffs this year as he did last year.
(Watch this end up bitng me in the ass and he pulls a Kevin Bieksa and gets re-injured in the first round of the playoffs after coming back from missing half the season due to injury)
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 28, 2010 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s so unfortunate. I really do like Salo and his play. Just so damned frustrating seeing that grimaced face as he skated off the ice.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jul 28, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Foligno signed with the Sens last week, two year deal, $1.2/yr. Would have been a great addition. Really coming into his own before his injury and came back strong after it.
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by Joe Hockey Fan on Jul 27, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Dean Lombardi must have caught Sather-Sutter Syndrome. What is he thinking? He lets Frolov go (yes!) and signs Poni? What’s next, Lou trades Parise for Avery?
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by Joe Hockey Fan on Jul 27, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
the more I think of it the more this Ponikarovsky signing makes sense. Frolov was in the doghouse. Ponikarovsky struggles with consistency too, but he’s a big guy who can put up points. Personally, I’d take him over Frolov any day
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 27, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s not that they don’t have cap space, they do: nearly $13 million including Poni. It’s not that they don’t have good young talent coming up through the system, they do: Schenn, Hickey, Teubert, Moller, Bernier, Cliche, et cetera.
I guess mostly that I’m disappointed in Dean Lombardi. He’s been a consistent builder, and a patient one. At best, to me replacing Frolov with Ponikarovsky is a lateral move. The only positive I can see is that it’s only a 1 year deal. My prediction is that they don’t re-sign him and are unable to trade him at any point, except maybe for the proverbial bag of pucks.
He’s bigger, yes; but with Frolov (28 years old) at 381 points in 536 NHL games and Poni (30) at 266 in 493 I don’t see Poni as a production upgrade.
The difference between us, I think, is that you like Ponikarovsky as a player and I don’t. To be fair though, I don’t like Frolov either.
One of hockey’s cliches is that the vast majority of D take time to develop so you need to give them some slack to maybe age 26 to 28, but that’s not true of forwards I’d say. By ages 28 and 30 these two have reached their potential but they are still inconsistent.
In the case of Poni, there’s also the fact that although the consensus is that he’s got the talent, he couldn’t make it on Crosby’s wing. Frolov hasn’t had the chance to play with Crosby, but he just doesn’t bring it like he should given his talent either. Nothing is worse as a fan or as a player than to wonder every night: "Is he going to bring it tonite or is it yet another rerun of “The Invisible Man”?
That’s my 2 cents worth, and it doesn’t count against the cap!
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by Joe Hockey Fan on Jul 27, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
The difference between us, I think, is that you like Ponikarovsky as a player and I don’t. To be fair though, I don’t like Frolov either.
Well..I watched Poni a lot with the Leafs and the guy left you confused. For a while you think he’s going to break out and become a 40 goal scorer and then he dried right up. He’s an inconsistent dude. You make a good point though. If he didn’t make it with Crosby then….well he’s Vitaly Yachmenev. The same applies to Antropov. However you never know where chemistry can strike. Poni was decent with Sundin as his center and not Crosby….weird.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 27, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
and no, I don’t really like Ponikarovsky.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 27, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
he’s Vitaly Yachmenev
Nice one. +1
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by Joe Hockey Fan on Jul 27, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I watched Poni a lot with the Leafs
You’re a Leaf fan? If so, I’d think you’d hate him, and “confused” would be a huge understatement! :)
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by Joe Hockey Fan on Jul 27, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
how can anybody be a leaf fan?
I’m sorry, but thank god we don’t have burke. He’s lost his marbles. That team won’t be seeing anything close to a cup for another 45 years.
yeah right…
how can anybody be a Leafs fan? Well, in 1977 there were more Leafs games on TV than Canucks games. My pops got me into them. I can never really kill that kind of thing. I still watch the Leafs almost every Saturday
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by Sean Zandberg on Jul 27, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course you watch the Leafs every Saturday. They’re always on HNIC. Always.
A creep from the cradle, but a hero's what I want to be
Right. But if they are on TSN I’ll watch those ones too. I’ve always followed the Leafs. So I don’t even mind that they’re always on HNIC. It’s history that I’m glad I don’t have to part with
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by Sean Zandberg on Jul 28, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I watched the Leafs
just to see the gongshow that is Toskalol. Now I’ll watch it to see DION CAPTAIN NOW! DION SMASH!
Yeah I watch them when they’re on, I’ll watch any hockey if its on, especially Canadian hockey. Plus sometimes they play well.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 27, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the Leafs to be successful. It brings more money in from Leaf fans when they are making it on the ice and not just off it.
Good for the salary Cap.
I like the DION SMASH CC….though I do find it funny how Burke seems to think he is the reincarnation of Pronger on the Ducks taking him to the promised land.
LOL
Thank you
I might have come up with it myself or perhaps I stole it from someone over at PPP. Im not really sure. Either way, Dion is no Pronger. Not even close to being as witty or defensively sound.
I would only cheer for the Leafs to be good so we can stop hearing about how Burkie is not doing a ‘traditional rebuild’. And plus I really like Nazem Kadri. I don’t want them to be good per-say, just middle of the pack so when we beat them its not like we just beat up a 5 year old. Plus the folks over at PPP deserve something to cheer about.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 27, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I only feel bad for fans whose teams have missed the playoffs for an obscene amount of time
Like the Chicago fans a few years back. Thrashers fans. Panthers fans.
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by Sean Zandberg on Jul 27, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 27, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Columbus fans…apart from one year…Blues much the same for a while ( and that is a once good franchise…back when they lost to Bobby Orr in 4 )…the Kings fans have a pretty suffered history as well.
I can’t feel bad for Leaf fans any more.
I can feel empathy for some, sure.
But some are so insufferable when talking about their team The Kaberle thing being only the latest..(.does anyone really think they will get a Top 6 AND 1st round pick? )
Or even one of the two for a guy with one year left! …and so demeaning to a team like the Canucks ( and really, is there another Canadian team with a better chance at the Cup in the next couple years? )
How many times have you had a friendly…lets say beer… fueled chat about hockey and had a Leaf fan friend say some variation on …“Win a Cup before you talk about it losers!”
You know it is all in fun and all when you reply with some variation on “1967 BITCH!” and laugh and move on.
It would just be nice to shut that shit down…ya know?
Yeah Sean, me too…had older members of the family that like Harald Ballard’s teams for some reason.
But I went for the Big Bad Bruins instead…until our lovable losers came into the league…
How many times have you had a friendly…lets say beer… fueled chat about hockey and had a Leaf fan friend say some variation on …"Win a Cup before you talk about it losers!"
I get it all the time from Leafs fans over here and am usually outnumbered as a Nucks fan. Thus, I can never cheer for the Leafs— their fans are unlikable.
Poutine & Meatballs
Like the Chicago fans a few years back. Thrashers fans. Panthers fans.
Columbus fans…Blues much the same for a while…the Kings fans…
Don’t forget the Canucks’ fans! The team has been very good for a number of years now, but hoo BOY it took a while to get here!
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