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The Case For Paul Kariya

I hinted at this a few times in various comment threads recently, but after FTR went and profiled him, I thought it was time for a fanpost.

Paul Kariya, a native son to our Vancouver Canucks, is coming off a reasonable year with the Blues - far from his glory days, but few Blues played well last year.  He tallied 43 points (including 18 goals) in 75 games last year, in a secondary role with the Blues.  In 2008-2009 he only managed 11 games due to surgery on both hips, so a 75 game season seems like a reasonable bounce-back campaign.  Prior to that, he played every game in the 3 years following the lockout.  His injury history, while not great, has not been that bad since the lockout, and a healthy year last year suggests he could still provide value.

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So why Kariya?  Aren't the Canucks short a 3rd line player, not a guy who will really only have value in the top 6?

Several thoughts:

1) Alex Burrows.  He's questionable to start the year, which means we could be going into the season with a hole in the top 6 already, and that's assuming that Mason Raymond is resigned.  Accordingly, there might already be a hole in the top 6, at least to start the year.

2) Alex Burrows.  At $2 million a year, he's probably the best possible player we could find for the 3rd line role that Mike Gillis says he is looking for.  A 3rd line that included Manny Malhotra and Burrows seems like a good start for both defensive responsibility and adequate offensive production.  It also seems like a good place to have Cody Hodgson start learning the ropes.

3) Cost.  At this point, Kariya can probably be had fairly cheaply (and, for what it's worth, should only be considered if he'd come cheap).  A one or two year deal at $2 million a year seems like a reasonable proposal for an aging veteran in a market where he's not the top name available, and in a market where the lower tier players seem likely to have to take significant pay cuts.

4) Lineup construction.  If Kariya is signed, he'd need to play in a scoring role, which would either mean playing with the Sedins or Kesler and Raymond.  Hypothetically, then:

 

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($2.500m)
Mason Raymond ($3.000m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Paul Kariya ($2.000m)
Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Cody Hodgson ($1.666m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Jannik Hansen ($0.825m) / Rick Rypien ($0.550m) / Victor Oreskovich ($0.575m)
Tanner Glass ($0.625m)

DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Sami Salo ($3.500m)
Christian Ehrhoff ($3.100m) / Andrew Alberts ($1.050m)
Aaron Rome ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) /Cory Schneider ($0.900m)

CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $90,000

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,115,000; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $135,000

Very tight to the cap?  Yes.  But that includes Salo, who apparently might be gone for a while now.  If Salo is temporarily replaced, even for a while, by a cheaper option on the 3rd pairing there's possibilities.

Thoughts?

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Bury Hordichuk in the minors and that would pull your line up underneath the cap.

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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 11:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Hordi's already gone

I’m also, JUST BARELY, already under.

Salo being LTIR’d for a while would help as well.

Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.

by Jevant on Jul 23, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or we keep Hodgson in Manitoba for another year. His contract is a bit of a bear, with the performance bonus.

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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know he is talented and all.

But I would vote no to Kariya.

I just doubt his ability to perform up to his talent in his home town.

And I don’t think he wants to play here. He has had two or three chances…and always turned his back on coming home.

Besides, those hips scare me!

by vancitydan on Jul 23, 2010 1:04 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree

Also, getting first line production out of Burrows is what makes him such a valuable player. It makes him far less valuable putting him on the third line. The only way I see it making sense to sign Kariya is if the arbitrator awards Raymond a $4 mil contract and the Canucks have to walk away.

by Canuckelhead on Jul 23, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

They won't walk away from Raymond

they might trade him if the award is too high but I can’t see anyway they would just walk away.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Jul 23, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

You realize in this scenario

if all of our guys hit their bonuses we will have roughly 700,000 less to play with next year right?

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Jul 23, 2010 1:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, but

I’ll worry about next year next year.

Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.

by Jevant on Jul 23, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe

Hasn’t Kariya had a few chances to come here and play, and refused each time?

Anyways, anyone remember this hit some years back? I remember watching this game, pointing out to my mom that Paul looked like he had stopped breathing. And then to score a goal right after getting destroyed…

"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 24, 2010 12:35 AM PDT reply actions  

I’d support a Kariya signing but only if it was was short-term and at a price well below his market value. One year, one million. That isn’t going to happen though.

by Linden4evah on Jul 24, 2010 6:49 AM PDT reply actions  

This

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by cyxj on Jul 25, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last time he was a free agent there seemed to be some suggestion that he didn’t want to come here.

by Beantown Canuck on Jul 24, 2010 3:29 PM PDT reply actions  

He has certainly had opportunities in the past if he wanted them.

by Thursday on Jul 24, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

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Goals

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Edler (7)

Assists

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