Sami Salo Injury Digest
by Yankee Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 10:16 AM PDT
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He didn’t miss a game though. Amazingly he gets the nut buster and suits up, though he eventually did get pulled in game six.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
It should still show up
I agree though … the guy takes a shot to the groin area and makes it into the lineup for the next game (albeit because there was nobody else healthy) but in the next breath, turns a hangnail into a major surgery. Baffling!
The Towel is reporting that it happened in June, and that the Canucks are just now checking in to it. Don’t players have to report injuries to the team once they learn the severity of the injury? We’re almost at the end of July, and Salo hasn’t told the team? That’s got to be some kind of breach of contract, no?
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Maybe the team knew then and this is just the first the media got a hold of it. If he held out on the injury, it certainly sounds like a breach.
It’s fitting that last year Demo started on LTIR and his partner in misery will follow him this season.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
He's a walking parental advisory sticker for kids not to play hockey
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh calm down Zan. He’s good when he’s healthy. I think he’s helped our team while healthy far more than he’s hurt our team by not being able to play 1/3 of the time pretty much every season he’s been here.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
calm down my ass. We need reliability. In the playoffs especially. I’m sick of his glass-ness. I’m sure I’m not alone in this. I can think of better ways to spend $3.5 million
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 23, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok then I hope you HATE Willie Mitchell with a passion. Because his injury was way more costly than all of Salo’s injuries combined. What a loser, taking so long to recover from a concussion, bah!
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Come on Beantown Sean is right
Salo makes our team better but is constantly hurt. Imagine how much better we could be if we get rid of him and brought in a D man who helps make our team better AND stays healthy. An extra 2 or 3 wins a season maybe? A better chance of winning a playoff round?
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by Section 312 on Jul 23, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
But Salo was good in the playoffs! Mitchell was not! Salo was great for us last year, overall our best d-man when healthy, which he was throughout the playoffs.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
My point is that all of Sami Salo’s injuries combined I don’t think has hurt us in the playoffs as much as Mitchell’s and Bieksa’s have, or at least no worse than those guys.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
OK, well Salo is made of glass and is unreliable. Mitchell was fine until he gets his head run into the boards. There’s a difference there. Salo could hurt his ass taking a slap shot for fucks sake. Yes, Salo was great in the playoffs last season. I was actually surprised he was as durable as he was.
But that was an anomaly, So off with Salo’s head. I want him out of here. Enough of this weak sauce on this team. We have a Cup to win. I’m actually sick and tired of waiting for him to get hurt because you know it’s going to happen. Salo goes in the corner to get the puck and takes a hit and every single time I wonder if he doesn’t get some kind of injury on the play.
It’s gone on for too long. Let’s get somebody reliable out there. That’s why I’m liking Hamhuis and Ballard.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 23, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
But we can have Hamhuis, Ballard and Salo, which is better. I just don’t understand your logic. We all dislike his injuries, but you’re not in anyway refuting my point that having him on the team hasn’t hurt us in the playoffs. So exactly s he getting in the way of us getting that Cup?
In the past 4 seasons, Bieksa has played 31 playoffs games, Salo has played 29 playoff games, and Mitchell has played 22. Oh God, if only Salo alone of those three were replaced, oh then we would be so much the better. Bah.
You’re arguing out of frustration, not logic here, numbskull. Pure numbskullery.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
So basically what you’re saying is ‘Thank goodness that Sami hurt himself in the offseason (playing ball hockey), which would cause him only to miss meaningless games in the beginning of the regular season instead of the playoffs.’
Yeah, lets hang our hats on that one.
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Well I’m not quite saying that. I’m just saying that for all his injuries, he’s been as valuable an asset on D than any other asset on D we’ve had in recent years when things matter most (i.e. the playoffs). So I don’t see how getting rid of him helps us that much because I don’t think there is much we can replace him with that would be markedly better. Can we get a d-man who will overall contribute to this team more than Salo does for $3.5 mill a year? No. And we can’t afford to pay anything more than that if we do get rid of him, so it’s not like having him is preventing us from getting someone better. So what’s so great about getting rid of him exactly?
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
OK, so you already forget about the 2008-09 playoffs…where he was…injured. Oh, and even though he played through a nutsack injury last season, when he played anyway he looked half-useful out there. My logic is that I want some continuity. At his price tag (and gad damn with a NTC to boot) I’d prefer somebody more reliable. He’s like one of them employees that calls in sick for long periods of time throughout the year and you’re left scrambling to replace him. Plus the fukker is getting paid. Waste of money and there are better options out there.
Like I said, totally valuable when he plays but it’s not consistent enough, and then you have all that cap space tied up in him which in turn..DOES affect chances at a Cup because when the going gets rough he can’t handle it, and then you need to replace him with somebody else of his calibre…which is not all that easy.
That would mean he’s fragile and cannot handle the playoff grind..oh, except for last year’s anomaly, which wasn’t quite one because he takes a puck in the balls.
The guy is getting older. He barely clears 60 games a season. I don’t get your logic of keeping him around. Maybe some people on twitter are right. Maybe he should retire.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 23, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Beantown
imagine replacing Salo with an equally good D man but one who plays ALL the games. Imagine that. Wouldn’t that be way better than a good D man who plays half the time?
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by Section 312 on Jul 23, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Hell I’d accept a player who’s 75% as effective but plays a full 82 game season. That’s worth more than someone who may or may not be there next game.
We don’t have a regular season problem, we have a playoff problem. Of our d-men in the post-lockout era, Salo hasn’t been the problem in the offseason. He missed no games this playoffs, missed a couple games the playoffs before, and missed no games the playoffs before that. That’s all I’m saying. The fact that he’s getting older is a good point, but if he plays this year like he played last year, then of course I want him back.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
That is all. Except I assume you mean “playoffs” when you say “offseason”.
Regrettably, the offseason WAS a problem for Salo this year.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
You do realize
that we have to make the playoffs before we get to play in them right? I would rather have a guy in the lineup every night helping us get as a high a seed as possible and maybe even home ice throughout the playoffs. That would be cool.
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by Section 312 on Jul 23, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree. And that’s why below I noted that the best argument against Salo is that perhaps in 07/08 if Salo played more than 63 games the Canucks would have made the playoffs. That’s a fair argument in my books.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a fair argument
to say that since Salo has such a positive impact on our team when healthy that he is equally as much of a negative impact when he is hurt. Which is a lot. I would rather have someone else, possibly have slightly less of an impact, but who is more durable.
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by Section 312 on Jul 23, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Any player who keeps playing after damaging his testes is OK in my book. The rest of us would spend a week cradling our package in a bag of frozen peas.
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No
Mitchell had a lower body injury in round 2 last year and sucked it up too.
Honestly, I think we over inflate Sami’s injuries. Bieksa and Mitchell have both had injury woes and noone gives them flak for being “glass”
Seriously?
He has missed 237 games in his NHL career. 2.87 seasons out of 11. That’s not over inflated. It’s ridiculous.
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by Section 312 on Jul 23, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
And bieksa has missed 85/366 games. 23% of his career.
Salo 237/902: 26%.
Huge difference? Especially considering Bieksa is in his prime? Mitchell fares better over his career:
Mitchell: 104/690: 15%.
But in their Van careers:
Bieksa: 85/366: 23%
Salo: 104/574: 18%
Mitchell: 64/308: 21%
So while Salo has had more missed games due to injury, both Mitchell and Bieksa have a higher injury to possible games ratio.
So why is Salo vancouver’s Mr Glass?
I don't think it's fair to compare Bieksa
to Salo. Bieksa has missed huge chunks of games twice in his career due to very freak skate cutting accidents. Salo has missed time with about 75 different ailments.
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by Section 312 on Jul 23, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
So? Your argument was about being unable to contribute due to missing games. Your last point seems inconsistent.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t like that comparison either. Take out 2 skate lacerations for Bieksa and then we’ll see. ha
Those stats are BS though. Salo’s page-long injury list is more infuriating
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 23, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, Zan, you’re just having a completely emotional reaction. All those little injuries are annoying, true. But the data shows that he has contributed and played comparably if not more than Mitchell and Bieksa since the lockout.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, I see your point and the points that the data present. But those guys don’t pull an ass muscle taking a shot. There’s a huge difference there! C’mon. Are you telling me you’ll take a Salo over a Bieksa or Mitchell?
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 24, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Over Bieksa? In a heartbeat.
Only Mitchell and Lukowich had better qual comps, and Luko is a small sample fluke.
Salo healthy is a #2 D man, totally in Mitchell’s league. Mitchell is a superior shutdown guy, but Salo has a far superior offensive upside.
Mitchell plays though injuries, and it may have lead to his concussion problems. Great in the short run, may have ended his career in the long run. Salo took the time off, healed, and was back for more.
Bieksa, on the other hand, is a victim of some bad flukes, but those flukes have messed up his game. His potential has been squandered and he is a top 4 guy, max, now, instead of our stud of the future. Salo is the man I’ll trust on the ice, glass or not.
What he said. Again, Zan, you’re just being emotional. You have the analysis of a 12 year old girl. Maybe one day you’ll grow up to be a hot chick. And then you can post a pic of yourself in between periods on this site when the Canucks are doing well.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 24, 2010 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Now now Mr. Bean
Are you suggesting Zan isn’t an attractive male?
(/awkward silence…)
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 24, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow. Resorting to personal attacks. And I’m being immature and emotional?
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 24, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Here guys
A good canned response…
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by Twitchy2010 on Jul 24, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
So you a prefer 36 year-old (close enough) broken down yet skillful guy who is about to go further into the injury abyss? OK. Hey, it’s your opinion. I just disagree. Stick to your “he’s good when he’s healthy” opinion. Yeah, yeah, “technically” anyone is but you can’t argue that Salo’s injury list is a joke. And I’ll stand by my opinion that I cannot wait until this guy is off our roster. At any given time this guy can leave a game and put you down a defenceman, and it’s proven that he will….over and over again. Game 6 of the 2010 playoffs. UNRELIABLE.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 24, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
All of the 2010 playoffs. UNRELIABLE.
(Mitchell, of course)
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 24, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Inconsistent?
The two points have nothing to do with each other. I was merely pointing out why one guy would be considered injury prone and the other wouldn’t be. I didn’t say anything about how that affects the team or those players ability to contribute.
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by Section 312 on Jul 26, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
You’re argument seemed to me that the reason being injury prone is bad because it prevents a player from contributing. Why else is being injury prone bad?
And if you do agree that the reason being injury prone is bad is because it prevents a player from contributing (or, similarly, it eats up a spot of another player who could be contributing in that player’s place), then I would stand by my point is that the facts show Salo has contributed as much or more than Mitchell or Bieksa post-lockout.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 26, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I am not sure how people could still be missing this
but my point is that Salo is important to the team. We are better with him in the lineup. When he is out we miss him more than any of our other D men. He has that big of an impact. Which is why his being injury prone is such a big deal. We need to replace him with someone equally valuable but who is much more durable and our team will be MUCH better for it.
That’s my argument. And it is entirely about SAMI SALO and not any of the other D men because they are different players and have different impacts on game situations and ice time and everything else.
We might be better when Bieksa is OUT so I don’t see how comparing his injury “proneness” to Salo’s is relevant in any way.
My point above was simply to explain why I think of Salo as injury prone and not Bieksa. Salo’s injuries are much more frequent and niggly while Bieksa has just been massively unlucky.
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by Section 312 on Jul 26, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m going with Sean on this one: it’s damn near impossible to build a strategy when a player that should be in your top two isn’t going to be there at random times.
Saying Mitchell and Bieksa have “injury trouble” is like saying Richard Zednik is going to get his throat cut every two years (looking at his last two years); or Berard goes through an eye every five seasons. It’s only an argument if you ignore what the injuries are.
Agreed, Bean
It is not a hard argument to make that when healthy, Salo has been our best defenceman for a few years now.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
Wouldn’t it be better for there to be a defenseman who is our best defenseman period. Without putting a clause on it like “being healthy”.
Of course that would be better. Doesn’t mean Salo is worthless.
Would you prefer to have Lidstrom for half a season or for zero of a season? I’ll take the half.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
Yeah but Lidstrom
is 3x the player Salo is. Not a great example.
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by Section 312 on Jul 23, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
If we can find a Salo-esque replacement for the same price that can play all the games, awesome.
Problem is, I doubt that’s available out there. We admittedly have some good new options, but Salo’s here and we might as well make the best of it.
I think some of us (well, Bean and I anyways) are reacting to comments that are suggesting that he’s worthless and hasn’t helped the Canucks. Salo has been a tremendous help to the Canucks over the last few years. To trash him completely simply doesn’t make any sense.
Yeah, it would be awesome to have Salo healthy all the time, but he’s not, so we might as well make the best of it, no?
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
I’m not saying he’s worthless. Who would take Bobby Orr for 37 games?? Yeah sure if it’s the latter part of the season and playoffs! If Orr was as injury prone as Salo I wouldn’t want him either. Once again, you be paying the guy a shitload, killing your cap space, and then if he goes down to injury (AGAIN) you’re fucked because you couldn’t afford a good replacement in the first place.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 23, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
When Salo plays in the playoffs we are all excited because he’s so valuable. When he goes down to injury I think it’s fair to say that not only do we groan because it’s so typical of him, but also because it leaves a gaping hole that not many of our D can fill, if any of them. I’m sick of it. God bless his skills at playing, but God did not bless him with a body that can take the crashing and banging.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 23, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, of the 3 defencemen who have been in our lineup for all playoff series in the post lockout era:
Kevin Bieksa has played 31 out of 34 games
Sami Salo has played 29 out of 34 games
Willie Mitchell has played 22 out of 34 games
He’s definitely no Bobby Orr and definitely no Lidstrom, but when he does play he has consistently been a positive factor on the d-core. Those numbers of games make him just as useful as any other d-men we have. That’s all I’m trying to say. The guy has been useful to us.
The only counter argument I would potentially accept is that had he played more than 63 games in 07-08, maybe the Canucks make the playoffs that year. But I don’t think they would have won the cup anyway.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
This IS the problem with Salo
but when he does play he has consistently been a positive factor on the d-core
You highlighted the exact reason why I want to see him gone. He DOES have a positive impact on the team WHEN he plays. I want a guy who DOES have a positive impact and plays ALL the time. Ballard and Hamhuis offer some of that. I think Salo is expendable now.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
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by Section 312 on Jul 23, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Salo is expendable if you could have something better in return. I’d rather have Salo on my team as a 5th d-man able to play 85% of playoff games than have Alberts, Rome, or SOB in that spot 100% of games. What’s your suggested alternative? Who can we pay $3.5 mill or less for that we could actually get who would contribute more in the playoffs than Salo playing 85% of games?
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Why on Earth would I want to pay a 5th D man
who should only play 12-14 minutes a night that much money? 3.5 million for a 5th D man is ludicrous. Alberts, SOB, Rome, Oberg, Sauve, Connaughton are all reasonable alternatives for that role. Maybe even Mitchell on a 1 year deal for around 2 million. All of them are a better option than Salo. You don’t need 5 D men at the level of Salo. You need 4 and then a 5th and 6th D man for specific roles and assignments.
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by Section 312 on Jul 23, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
The reason why is because your 1-4 d-men can get injured too. For example, Willie Mitchell last year. I don’t see you complaining about him but it was he, not Salo, that was the source of our defensive blackhole in the playoffs. We’ve already seen what happens when SOB, Rome or Alberts has to play more minutes. I agree you don’t NEED that many d-men at the same level of Salo, but it does help a lot!
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Not at the expense of depth up front
plus you seem to forget that we didn’t have Hamhuis or Ballard last year. At this point I don’t give two shits about who was healthy in last years playoffs and who wasn’t. We can’t go back and replay those games and they aren’t predictive of anything that will happen in the next playoffs so I don’t really see the point you are trying to make.
Both of the new guys are capable of playing 25 minutes a night. Edler and Ehrhoff are both capable of around 22 minutes a night. You really want to pay Salo 3.5 million next season for 13 minutes of ice time when he is healthy? I would love to see Salo, Bieksa and Mitchell gone.
Edler – Ballard
Ehrhoff – Hamhuis
Alberts – Sauve
Rome
Looks very good to me. That would save us a lot of money. Enough to keep Raymond and maybe add a coupe more bottom 6 forwards giving us as much depth as any team in the league. Plus hopefully a durable team.
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by Section 312 on Jul 23, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
You had me up until the point where you have Sauve in the lineup before Rome.
But Beantown is right, what happens if one of the top 4 in your scenario is injured for a long period of time? Sauve or Alberts plays more minutes, or we add extra minutes on our top 2 that wears them down? We need a 5th defenceman that can jump into the top 4 with experience that can handle the extra minutes.
You believe in depth up front, yet totally denounce the idea of depth on defense?
I’m not in favor of an oft injured Salo, but I’m not in favor of getting rid of him either unless we can get a similar player in return. He’s a good insurance player for that top 4 unit, great on the PP and makes our top 6 one of the best in the league (when healthy)
No don't try to put words in my mouth
I don’t “denounce” any ideas about depth on D. I think you can have depth on D without vastly over paying your bottom 2 guys which we would be if Salo is our number 5 guy on 3.5 million a year. Believe it or not, and this may come as a shock to some people, you can get good depth D men for less than 3.5 million a season. Some of them may come from your farm team where you develop players to be able to play in the NHL or from signing a free agent or making a trade for a guy who can play top 4 minutes in an emergency but makes a reasonable amount of money. Like 2 million a year.
I had you until I put our top D prospect in ahead of a journeyman? A very good young D man with a tonne of upside against a limited NHLer? I know which one I will take. I mean guys can step in and play at the NHL level as rookies. I think they even give an award for the one who does it the best. Just cause the Canucks haven’t had many decent prospects in the last decade actually get a chance to play doesn’t mean it can’t be done.
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by Section 312 on Jul 23, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Salo is not our No. 5 guy. He’s probably tied for top guy along with Hamhuis, Ballard, and Ehrhoff. I’m not sure who of those is top two, but right now all 4 are better than Edler. I’m not sure on what basis you would argue otherwise. I suppose that without really knowing how they fit, Hamhuis and Ballard could arguably be #1 and #2, but there’s no way Edler is better than Salo yet based on the last two seasons.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Your right, and I agree, there are cheaper players that can play top 4 minutes, which is why i said I’m not opposed to acquiring such a player. But Salo can also play top 2 minutes and is a PP weapon. In any case, I don’t see the Canucks resigning Salo next off season anyways, instead opting for a more durable player. But until then, we really have no better options.
I didn’t put words in your mouth, I simply stated my opinion of the way you envision your roster. Who’s your 8th defenceman?
You have Sauve ahead of Rome, and apparently O’Brien? Yeah I’ve heard of the Calder Trophy, the trophy usually handed out to highly touted rookies like Myers. If it was Gudbranson or Franson, I wouldn’t have a problem said rookie on the roster. But to believe that Sauve, a player that had a good year in the Juniors as an Overager. is better than a proven NHL veteran? That’s just a stretch. A ton of upside? He has to prove it in the AHL first. He’ll probably need at least 1 full season in the AHL, if not longer .
Tyler Myers?
The 14th overall pick? He wasn’t that highly touted. But that’s neither here nor there.
You obviously haven’t followed Sauve’s career but three years ago there was a split between scouts right down the middle over who was better Sauve or Doughty. He didn’t progress as rapidly as Doughty has since then but few D men in the history of the league have. There is no reason to think that some of our young D men can’t step and have a similar impact to someone like Del Zotto or Erik Karlsson. The list of NHL caliber D men that have stepped straight into the NHL in the last 5 years is growing and growing. It’s a new NHL. Young players can prove themselves in the NHL without stopping in the AHL first. And having young players on ELC playing a key role is the best way to have a team good enough and deep enough to win a cup.
8th D man? Sorry but who the hell cares? This is the salary cap NHL you aren’t going to have that much depth on the back end. 8th? Oberg maybe? Rome maybe depending on how Sauve and Oberg do in camp.
Ballard has played 82 games in 4 of the last 5 seasons. The fewest games Hamhuis has played in a season is 78. 82, 77, 77, 80…that’s Ehrhoff the last 4 seasons. 75,80,76 is Alex Edler. Our top 4 D men are very durable now. Very reliable. Does that mean they won’t get hurt? Of course not. Anything can happen. But we certainly don’t need to be building a team, and no one should, that has 8 NHL quality D men just in case. It’s just not feasible.
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by Section 312 on Jul 23, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
So Tyler Myers, the 14th overall pick wasn’t highly touted, but Sauve at 41st has tons of potential? Sauve was regarded as highly as Doughty? Well fuck, Steve Anthony at one time was regarded as the next Crosby, lets give him a roster spot too. Projections are meaningless until they are proven to be correctly made. After all, that’s where the concept Draft Bust comes from.
Erik Karlsson and Del Zotto were drafted in the first round (15th and 20th) because they were much better than Sauve. Karlsson played against men in the SEL and Del Zotto averaged a point a game during his junior career. The Rangers had a necessity for an offensive defenceman and kept Del Zotto on the roster last season. BTW, Del Zotto, -20 last season. If they had better options, would he have made the team? if they had an Ehrhoff per say? Probably not.
I agree that its important to have players on ELC on a team, especially in the cap era, but only if these young players can have a positive impact and earn their spot. That’s why drafting has become so important. Should we give a rookie a roster to save cap space while he learns to play the pro game? Not at all if it makes the team worse. That’s why we have a developmental team in Manitoba.
8th D man? I remember the Canucks having to use the 8th d-man last year because of injuries so yeah I would prefer to have some experienced depth, not some rookies with no professional experience.
Look, you have your opinion, which I respect, and I have mine.
To me, IMO, Salo is slightly overpaid but he makes our top 6 one of the best in the league. Can we do better? Not at the moment. We have a weaker team without him, but luckily MG has acquired enough quality defencemen to be able to deal with injuries to him or anyone else. Is Sauve ready, I don’t think so. He’ll have to prove it in training camp, but I’ll bet he doesn’t make the team unless we have 3 injuries, if not more. (I even have Sweatt ahead of Sauve at the moment)
Lets just wait and see what happens.
I'm not going to bother
Your opening two lines show you aren’t willing to actual engage in an actual discussion so I didn’t bother reading the rest.
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by Section 312 on Jul 26, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Who would take Bobby Orr for 37 games??
Considering it would mean we would have a significantly improved chance of winning those games, I would. Without question.
Once again, you be paying the guy a shitload, killing your cap space, and then if he goes down to injury (AGAIN) you’re fucked because you couldn’t afford a good replacement in the first place.
But this year, that doesn’t qualify. It’s not our money, so I don’t care that we’re paying the guy. He can be LTIRd, which actually might HELP the Canucks right now, so the cap space isn’t affected, and this year it looks like we finally have good replacements!
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
and then I revert back to the fact that I’d rather not have said injured guy in the first place. He’ll come back, then affect your cap situation only to most likely go out to injury again several weeks later.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 23, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
He can be LTIRd, which actually might HELP the Canucks right now, so the cap space isn’t affected, and this year it looks like we finally have good replacements!
I get the whole LTIR thing. But can’t you see that Salo causes financial headaches? When he comes back we have to clear more cap space. So we clear more cap space to make room for a guy who’s about to get injured again at any second.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 24, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Mirtle just tweeted:
What did Sami Salo do in another life to deserve this? The man is going to set a man-games lost record at some point, no?
I think he banged Kirk McLean’s wife..haha
i saw that too. i had a giggle.
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Incidentally, we’ve been told the Finnish refer to the game as “Ball Hockey,” which makes this the most painfully ironic story of the day, given recent Salo injury history.
yep, Wysh chose a really good closing sentence for the article where he references our article.
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btw, Salo is currently the #1 trending topic in Canada right now.
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hospitals should start naming procedures after him
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
DOH
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 23, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice. RT @Jay_Gold_: @mirtle Steve Sullivan may hold that record. Conclusion: If your initials are S.S. & you play hockey, you’re doomed.
So that’s why I didn’t make the NHL…
Poor Salo. I’d have to agree with Sean, it doesn’t help a team when they lack consistency on the blueline. Any thoughts on keeping Bieksa? I can see him staying, but I’d like to see him go, and maybe another trade sending SOB/Rome/Alberts for a small upgrade on defence.
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just saw this one in the right-hand sidebar:
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The #Canucks should try cryogenically freezing Sami Salo until the playoffs.
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Like he couldn’t get injured getting into the tank?
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Somehow Salo would get a 3rd degree burn while being frozen.
You really have to marvel at a guy who keeps playing a game that he’s barely genetically suitable to endure.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Somehow Salo would get a 3rd degree burn while being frozen.
This immediately wins Missy’s contest in the Open Ice for today, in my books.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
heh
I’ll go add it! I wanna win.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
well, we’ll have to see. someone may come up with something even better…..
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Only if he rooms with Austin Powers
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 23, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Wrap him in bubble wrap...
Anyone think there would have been any interest in Salo before the horrendous injury? If he had been willing to waive the NTC, of course.
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I doubt it, everyone in the league has to know by now that he’s a walking injury-waiting-to-happen.
Maybe a team that needs to reach the cap floor for this coming season, but that’s it.
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at the very most he’d be a rental at the deadline..
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 23, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
So is Salo the most injury-prone player in NHL history, or what?
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It’s a good question. If not in first, he’s got to be damn close.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
It shouldn’t, Bieksa is still the easier asset to move. Unless Salo retires or Sather goes off his meds, he’ll be damned hard to offload to someone else and Vancouver needs to shed salary somewhere, preferably from a position of strength and that’s the defense. Bieksa should be moved and let Rome/SOB/Alberts/Baumer/Sauve/Sweatt/who-knows-who-else pick up the thread for Salo until he returns, assuming he only misses the first chunk of the season.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Some good debate on Salo's value...
And absolutely awesome chart of injuries, although I admit it’s a little surprising that they’re all such short-term injuries. But what if he was to come cheaper? Does he really command $3.5 million after he’s done with this contract?
How much is too much? Is it worth keeping him around another year (almost an inevitability) if you can sign him again next year for $2 million a season? $2.5 million? Or do you dump him for a cheap prospect and hope that the other team doesn’t get a full season out of him? I guess it would be fun to do some number crunching and see how comparable defencemen fare salary-wise, but I’m willing to entertain a more detailed breakdown of his value with an attempt to incorporate his injury-pronedness into the calculation…
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if you can sign him again next year for $2 million a season? $2.5 million? Or do you dump him for a cheap prospect and hope that the other team doesn’t get a full season out of him?
No way let him walk
and
No way in hell Salo can play a whole season so there is no worries there.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 23, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Zan, put a book on your lap, you’ve got a massive hate-on going on.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 23, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
And you have a sad sad hard on for Salo
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 24, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Look, you like Salo and I don’t. I agree with you that when Salo plays for us he is very useful and we actually succeed more often than when he’s not in the lineup. But I don’t care about that stat. Salo is not a winner in my books, mostly because he is unreliable to stay healthy. My bottom line is that I’d rather use that kind of money to spend on a d-man who doesn’t break his jaw eating toast in the morning.
I can have a hate-on all I want. What the hell is that to you? I DON’T LIKE SALO. I’m sick of a mediocre team that can’t get past 2 rounds and I want a gutsy, strong, reliable group to take us to the promised land. And I sure as hell would not expect to do so with Salo. That is my opinion. And I stand by that. Like I said before, Salo can’t handle 4 rounds of a playoff grind. If you are holding out hope for him to do so I believe that history has not taught you a lesson whatsoever.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 24, 2010 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m sick of a mediocre team that can’t get past 2 rounds
That is an oxymoron. No mediocre team consistently makes it to the second round.
It’s ridiculous. We are a contender, and we aren’t going backwards, barring a ridiculous injury season like 3 years ago when our blueline was turned to pudding.
Salo can’t handle 4 rounds of a playoff grind.
Neither can Willie Mitchell, gauging by how he played against the hawks last year.
Seriously, would you rather SOB than Salo as your fifth? Really? You’d take an undisciplined, underconditioned, mistake prone problem child over a player who does get minor injuries consistently, but always bounces back, and has proven himself an anchor on an elite team’s D-core? Really?
Especially when a fluke accident sends Hamhuis out for a 10 game stretch, and Suave becomes our 6th. And then Bieksa cuts his leg again, and suddenly SOB is your 3rd, and Evan Oberg has cracked the lineup at #6?
Salo is a solid vet who will give you 65 games a season. Like Gonchar, without the defensive irresponsibility.
That is an oxymoron. No mediocre team consistently makes it to the second round.
Getting all technical now are we? A contending team doesn’t shit the bed on the PK against LA in round 1. That was potentially disastrous. The Canucks did not look like contenders in the playoffs. That ship had a lot of holes in it.
Seriously, would you rather SOB than Salo as your fifth? Really? You’d take an undisciplined, underconditioned, mistake prone problem child over a player who does get minor injuries consistently, but always bounces back, and has proven himself an anchor on an elite team’s D-core? Really?
What is that? I’m saying I’d like Salo and his $$$ off the payroll and roll the dice on somebody else. Salo over SOB at the #5 spot? Of course not. One of them is making over double what the other is. Is it not frustrating that the Canucks have to continually upgrade their depth on D (and spend a lot of money doing it) partially because Salo cannot be relied upon? Are you not seeing that we are over the cap already without Raymond being signed and the bottom six being properly filled? Salo is a nuissance to management and has now made their cap crunching summer even more complicated.
We’ll see how this all plays out.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 24, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Getting all technical now are we? .
Yes. I just got into a minor row with GoPens (him of the great MVP debate) over the exact same thing, so I’m already primed to defend my Canucks. He called Vancouver’s playoff record mediocre, and I threw the fact that we are tied for the 10th best playoff record, wins or %, post lockout.
The canucks are not mediocre. You don’t win division 3 times in 4 years and be mediocre. You don’t place in the top 3 scoring teams and in the top 10 defences and be mediocre. So we aren’t the best team. So what? We’re still better than 75% of the league. Be proud of that.
This is a great squad with several LEGITIMATE superstars. Hank, Kes and Lou are all league wide stars. Naslund, Bure, Mogilny and Messier, maybe McClean, are the only other ones in that league in our 40 year history. We have a blue chip with buzz for the first time since, what, the Sedins? Trevor Linden? We have an Adams winning coach and an owner willing to spend to win. We have some cap savvy contracts, some stellar depth guys (See burrows, sammy and Malhotra) and the team keeps moving forward.
Call my Canucks mediocre, I will call you out. :p
As for Salo:
Who’s the guy you spend his 3.5 on? We got Hamhuis. Would you go after Gonchar? Cuz he’s in Salo’s injury club too. Volchenkov? Wants to play in the east. Martin? Maybe, but thats Salo and SOB for his price, so goodbye depth chart.
Salo has been consistent in the playoffs, and I’d rather have his steadying presence on my blueline than an overpaid grinder for 2-3 mill.
If he misses 20 games on LTIR with his tendon issue, his cap hit is around 2.7 mil. Better cap hit for the team, no? might just be the savings that gets us raymond without losing too much lower depth. Also lets us give Suave, Oberg, etc a shot in the big leagues in a depth position before the big dog returns. Great development opportunity.
I don’t hate this team. Am I proud of what they accomplished last season? Yes and no. It’s been 40 years and no Cup. Their play against LA in round 1 was both exciting and frustrating. Their defensive breakdowns throughout left me wanting to kick a hole in my TV. I know I’m not alone in this.
They play with mediocrity when it matters most…in the playoffs, with some brilliant lapses in between.
I am excited about the Hamhuis and Ballard acquisitions. But think of it this way..we have a lot of dough invested in the back end and now we are struggling to fill in the forward ranks. But we are not examining all the options in our argument either, whether it be through trades or whatever. Ideally, I want Edler to step in and take Salo’s spot, making Glassman expendable. I want SOB to continue improving so people don’t cringe when they see him in the top 4. And where is our Hjalmarsson? It wouldn’t hurt to have a prospect step in and make it either. It is with that in mind that I want Salo outta here. Instead we are stuck with him at a huge cost.
I keep hearing that Salo is consistent in the playoffs. Well, yes he is. But he can’t be relied upon to stay healthy. This is a broken record. Personally I’ve wanted Salo flogged for a long time but some idiot gave him a no trade clause. Are you telling me that when Salo becomes a UFA next summer that teams are going to lining up to pay him minimal $3 million per season? I don’t see it. I’d look at that resume and PASS.
Do you want to win a Stanley Cup? Or are you going to let each year slide and be proud of an overall failed mission because hell, we won our division, have a Hart Trophy winner, etc etc etc.
Damn that Hart trophy. I want to see the Cup. And like I have said over and over again, if Salo is a top 2 horse you’re in trouble because he cannot be relied upon to be there for you on a consistent basis. Then, to me, it’s time to move on.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 24, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
If he misses 20 games on LTIR with his tendon issue, his cap hit is around 2.7 mil. Better cap hit for the team, no? might just be the savings that gets us raymond without losing too much lower depth. Also lets us give Suave, Oberg, etc a shot in the big leagues in a depth position before the big dog returns. Great development opportunity.
Sure, I can handle that. But what about the cap hit when he returns? Gillis wants another 3rd liner via trade or UFA to go with Malhotra. We don’t have that kind of $$$. If Hodgson makes it, we have even less $$$. What’s Raymond going to get? More $$$. This wouldn’t be so bad if we weren’t getting D-men for depth because guys like Salo can’t stay healthy.
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 24, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
This
Their play against LA in round 1 was both exciting and frustrating. Their defensive breakdowns throughout left me wanting to kick a hole in my TV. I know I’m not alone in this.
You are not alone my friend. Never in my life have I seen such an atrocious playoff PK.
But on the bright side, this goal was pretty awesome.
Same with this one.
Also, great save Lu.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 24, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Beantown: no hard feelings? Can you shake hands with a “numbskull”? heheh
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 24, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Sean, you’re my favourite 14 year old girl numbskull on all of the interwebs. No hard feelings at all!
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 24, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Its
all the same at this point.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 24, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
12-14… no difference… as long as you’re less than 18, Beantown’s staying the hell away from that ball of trouble.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 25, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody has those answers except for maybe MG :) But we could always try to make an educated guess.
Based on age and injury history, and that his next contract will be a 35+ contract, I would say Salo’s value is between $1.8M – $2.4M. Its hard to find comparable numbers on often injured players, but I think that’s fair value. Maybe a good comparison can be made between Salo and Adrian Aucoin? Aucoin is one year older and had the same amount of points as Salo this past season. (Although, Aucoin played all 82 games, 14 more than Salo.) They played a similar amount of minutes. Aucoin also has some injury history and managed to get a 2 year, $2M per year contract from Phoenix. I cant really think of a better comparison off the top of my head.
Now if you consider this offseason and MG’s pursuit of more durable d-men, then its pretty unlikely that Salo will return. MG made a point to say that he wants more stability on the back end, but who knows.
As for a replacement, it really depends on what happens this year. Heading into next year we only have Edler, Hamhuis, Ballard, and Rome signed. Part of Salo’s salary will be needed to resign Ehrhoff. I’ll take a guess maybe for $4.2m a year? (a $1.1M raise and same salary as Ballard) Or maybe we let Ehrhoff walk and we try to sign a star defenseman, but that’s unlikely. Again it depends on what kind of season Ehrhoff has. That leaves 2 spots open on defense.
Hopefully a prospect, (Maybe Oberg, Sweatt, Andersson, Sauve, or Tanev?) will have a strong season in Manitoba this year and will be able to fill in a role on the bottom pairing with Rome or another UFA.
Looking at the list though, there aren’t very many good, affordable, UFA options. Trevor Daley is the only D-man I’d probably want but there’s probably going to be a high demand for his services and he’s not really a bottom pairing guy. Another option is to just keep O’Brien (depending on the quality of his season). Again, just guessing and offering an opinion. What do you think?
Really?
Really, Salo? Floor hockey? Even I don’t get injured playing road hockey.
Who should we get when Salo becomes UFA?
Re-sign?
For the whole day I have been fixated on the Canucks getting Luke Schenn and/or Kaberle next season… not sure why. Schenner, or OLAS as the folks over at PPP call him, and Kabs will both be UFA next season. They’ve both got good slappers, and they’re not very injury prone. Kaberle is a proven number 1 guy who isn’t good defensively all the time, will probably get the same as Salo (3.5-4 ish) and Schenner is young, has a great upside, won’t command too much hopefully, maybe GMMG can offer-sheet him and Burke will take a nap and forget to match him, or just not match him. Or maybe Im just being stupid/nuts.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 23, 2010 11:44 PM PDT reply actions
Schenner
is an RFA.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 24, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Or
he will be next year.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 24, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Here's an ugly question:
Has Salo ever been tested for steroids?
A recurring injury history is something that shows up in juicers, as does injuries where the muscle becomes stronger than the tendons holding them onto the bones.
Salo doesn’t show any secondary signs, but… Well, call me curious.
Probably not
Since Salo is rarely angry and always looks fucking sickly instead of ripped and juiced.
He looks like a vampire, and not one of those neutered pansy vampires from Twilight,
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 24, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Boogaard
looks like a convicted rapist.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 24, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
A convicted rapist who can’t play hockey, in particular.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 24, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
4 years
In Manhattan. Nice one Sather! I really don’t know how Ranger fans haven’t lost their minds completely.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 24, 2010 8:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Apparently
Sather and Holmgren were in a bidding war over Jody Shelley (Lolz) and when Homer got Shelley (for too much,IMO),Sather went out and got Boogaard for way too much as a partial fuck you to Homer. Unbelievable. I wish I was a Rangers fan so I could go over to Blueshirt Banter and make fun of him freely.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 24, 2010 8:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Lemme try that again...
Boogaard was sentenced to four years in New York recently, and this is his mug shot.
Ahhhh
but getting paid 1.15 mill a year is quite a light sentence.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 25, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey lawyer, is this reaction 12-year-old girl enough for you?
by Sean Zandberg on Jul 24, 2010 12:49 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL REC'D
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