The rest of the Vancouver Canucks off-season all planned out.
by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Jul 19, 2010 8:11 PM PDT
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So the latest buzz is that Aaron Asham is likely to sign somewhere before the end of this week. Ilya Kovalchuk has signed, most likely opening the proverbially floodgates.
Then all the team has left to do is re-sign Raymond, nab one or two fourth line forwards (I'd like to see at least two of Glen Metropolit, Stephane Yelle and Steve Begin wearing the Orca. All three are aging, but are still gritty leaders with play-off experience).
And hey...if Willie Mitchell is willing to sign for 1.5 to 2 million, why not re-sign him?
Then it's just a matter of shedding salary. Kevin Bieksa can be traded for a late-2nd/3rd round pick. Darcy Hordichuk can be waived/bought-out/traded for future considerations (a bag of pucks and some french fries). Jeff Tambellini and Joel Perrault can enjoy some time in the future home of the reborn Winnipeg Jets. If Mitchell returns, Shane O'Brien can always be found a new home.
So? Where does that leave us?
Sedin-Sedin-Samuelsson
Raymond-Kesler-Burrows
Hansen-Malhotra-Asham
Begin-Metropolit-Rypien
Ballard-Hamhuis
Salo-Edler
O'Brien/Mitchell-Erhoff
Rome
Luongo
Schneider
It's tight under the cap...but manageable.
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Hmmmm
I think Tambo will be on the fourth line. Maybe Hodgson/Schroeder on the third with Asham and MM?
And Mitch probably won’t re-sign and if he does, I don’t think he’ll take Blasthoff’s spot. Probably SOB’s spot.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 19, 2010 8:36 PM PDT reply actions
I haven't seen Tambo play much.
I know he was an NHL regular, but with the Islanders. Superficially speaking, he’s small and I don’t think he’s that gritty. Not exactly ideal 4th line material. Hodgeson could make the 3rd line, but if the team wants to develop him more at center, and if they prefer Malhotra in the middle as well…plus a year in the AHL won’t hurt. Hell, even just startingf him in the A could benefit.
Schroeder could develop into a VERY good scoring forward. But his size doesn’t exactly scream third line…but his hockey sense could allow him to develop a solid two-way game, it’s hard to tell.
if Hodgeson and Schroeder do make the team…team them up with Asham, and you have a new-age third line: team up a couple of two-way young guns with a reliable vet (Ladd-Madden-Versteeg, Van Riemsdyke-Giroux-Asham). You then have a Hansen/Glass-Malhotra-Rypien third line. 2.5 is a lot for a 4th line forward, but he’ll be invaluable as a penalty killer and jack of all trades bottom-sixer. Plus, Samuelsson, Burrows, Hodgeson and Schroeder are all potential bargains.
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by GelatinousMutantCoconut on Jul 19, 2010 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree on Tambo
I think there is grit to his game. I think he could be a very good third line checker that can chip in offensively a little too. But I have had a bit of a man crush on his game for a while. I might be biased.
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by Section 312 on Jul 20, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I like Tambo alot too, although I think he’s ticketed for the Moose to start the year because he has a 2-way.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
Isn't this the team
that says if you play good enough you get to stay up? That’s MG manta isn’t it?
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by Section 312 on Jul 20, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Asham
What am I missing about him? I don’t get all the hype…is he just getting all this hype because of the playoff run?
I’m content with Hansen/Oreskovich/etc. Saving money there means more to spend elsewhere.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
The recent playoff run helped a bit, I think.
Aside from that he’s proven NHLer who is gritty, fights, and has some offensive skill. He’s like a 200 lbs version of Rypien with more skill.
I’d take him over anyone in our current bottom 6 other than Malhotra and maybe Hansen.
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Perhaps, BUT
Is it worth the extra money? We are super tight with the cap. I’d prefer to gamble on the cheaper options available, who have shown equal offensive skill.
And I’ve also got Hodgson pencilled into my bottom 6 somewhere.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
Like it, but...
Unfortunately, I just don’t see Mitchell coming back. I know he wants to return to Vancouver, but if he’s healthy he’s going to be offered a lot more than the Canucks will should be willing to part with, just for the risk of losing him for the season after his first (or second, or third…) hit.
I like Asham, and think he’d be lovely on the third line; but the money is likely not there. I still think Hodgson is the one to make the team from the Moose, but I also see Tambellini’s speed (and cost) making the team at the start of the season.
I wouldn’t mind a third line that focused more on speed and possession rather than being a preventative measure: Kesler already faces the best opponents have to offer, and would love to drive other coaches nuts trying to stop three lines all with some pop to them.
There isn't really a risk
in signing Mitchell. If he gets hit and is out for the rest of the year you just put him on LTIR and we can go over the cap by his salary. As long as we have some depth and can cope with losing him, which I think we do now, I don’t see the risk. And I don’t see anyone giving him more than a million or two gauranteed salary.
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by Section 312 on Jul 20, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
You need the depth – and to afford the depth – in anticipation of possibly losing him. And if he is available, he’s going to be offered more than two million dollars, but not by Vancouver.
I don't see how anyone offers him
guaranteed money north of 2 million if you aren’t sure how good he can be coming back. That’s the risk. He might not get back to being the player he was. So bonuses are the way to go.
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by Section 312 on Jul 20, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed. No one is going to offer him a big guaranteed contract, especially with his concussion history.
I would like to think Mitch will be willing take a home town discount on the base, with a large portion of his contract being made up for in bonuses. As long as we approach this as whatever he can provide the team a “bonus”, then he’s a worthy addition on the team.
by Vancouverguy on Jul 20, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Would need to move a couple bodies then though
and rely on depth from guys on two way contracts just in case. You don’t want to end up with Alberts and SOB in the minors not being able to get called up like Luko last year.
Ballard – Ehrhoff
Hamhuis – Salo
Edler – Mitchell
That looks great but if Mitch and Salo are getting hurt can we afford to have cover up with the big club or would we have to rely on guys like Oberg and Sauve for out depth.
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by Section 312 on Jul 20, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is the biggest problem. We have to carry someone who won’t get taken of the waiver wire when they’re called up, but is reliable enough to play at least some important minutes. Salo’s going to be gone for twenty games, I think we can all agree on that, so there’s someone to fill there. And Mitchell… Mitchell might be gone after the first hit, or he might last all season.
Look, I’d love to have him if he’s going to play. But I think there is going to be a team out there that wants one of the best defenders in the league and is going to be willing to take a chance on him.
Personally, I’d still rather see him retire from the game while he’s symptom-free, but if he’s going to insist on coming back, he’s certainly worth a flyer. But Vancouver’s not as desperate for defence as most of the teams in the NHL are. Especially when you see what’s left out there…
But if he wants to stay here........?
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by Section 312 on Jul 21, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Luko was called up last year. he just couldn’t at the end because he had surgery.
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They snuck him through waivers
when no one was watching. But he spent the first 3 months in the minors even though we had injuries and could have used his help.
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by Section 312 on Jul 21, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
those first 3 months were when all our forwards were getting injured, though. the only time that affected our defense was when AV resorted to trying bieksa and m.schneider on offense.
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Salo hurt his knee early in the year
and missed 7 games. Could have used Luko then. Bieksa was hurt on December 29th and Luko was snuck through waivers a couple days later on January 1st.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
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by Section 312 on Jul 21, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
we actually called up Rome first, actually. we didn’t need another d-man until everyone suddenly got hurt in january.
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I know
what happened. Luko was on a one way deal so he had to clear re-entry waivers to get called up so even though there were times when we could have used him they didn’t call him up. So they called up Rome instead. That’s my whole point here. We need a D man or two on 2 way deals that can add depth if and when players get hurt. That we can call up without worries about them getting claimed.
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by Section 312 on Jul 21, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
i’d be happy to get him. there are too many unproven “grit” players in our bottom six right now that asham is better than. i do think that oreskovich is going to be on the roster, after the team specifically asked for him in the ballard trade, and hansen should make the team as well, although the further down the depth chart the better for those guys. after being scratched in every playoff game (iirc) blackout has to be a target for removal from the lineup, and i’d be fine with glass never seeing the ice for the big club this season.
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