The "Where Will Kevin Bieksa End Up?" Game
by Yankee Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 7:02 AM PDT
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The safe bet is that Kevin Bieksa's career in Vancouver is over.
If cap realities were different, maybe he wouldn't be the sacrificial lamb. If it was possible to unload Salo or some of the pluggers off the books, Juice could be safe. If the problem was scoring or lack of firepower in the top six, different story. Such is life. Be thankful it's not Chicago's cap hell we're talking about.
Whether you like him as a player or not, he's a proven top four guy that several teams could use; so far he's been linked to the Blue Jackets, Sharks, Caps and now the Stars. Every morning seems to bring a new rumor while we wait, hoping for the best outcome, perhaps an asset for the farm or at least some financial cushion to get us back under the cap. The longer the summer goes on, the thought is the less flexibility Mike Gillis will have. The sooner we bid Bieksa a fond farewell, the better.
May as well make a game out of it right? Help set the Juice loose and get yourself a prize in the process.
The "Where Will Kevin Bieksa End Up" (WWKBEU) game is simple: drop in the comments where you think he ends up. You can be vague or specific, the prize will differ based on your guess:
- List the name of the team: $25 dollar gift certificate to the NHL Store
- List the team and picks involved: $50 dollar gift certificate to the NHL Store
- List the team and players/prospects involved: $100 dollar gift certificate to the NHL Store
Everyone can submit one guess per category, so three max per commenter (go public school math skills go!). If he gets moved for a player and a pick, then the winner with the closest correct guess will get bumped up to the $100 level. If you don't want the gift certificate (what, no need for an Anglo Oriental Spirit Rug?), we'll just donate the amount in your name to Canucks Place. Sound good?
Game's open to everyone, regardless of team affiliation. First one by the timestamp with the right answer wins and gets the official honor of cashing in on Bieksa's forced expulsion.
Good luck. May the Force be with you.
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What if we trade more than just Bieksa for whatever we get in return? That would just blow everything up! And what if it’s a three-team trade and we get assets from two separate teams? Also, where is your parade so that I may arrange for rain?
1. Columbus
2. Columbus and 2nd round pick
3. Columbus and David Savard
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 7:32 AM PDT reply actions
Oh sure…the lawyer pokes the holes in my fun ;)
If Juice is traded with someone else or it’s a three team thing, we’ll resort back to option 1 and throw out the other two. Seems fair that way.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Columbus was my 3rd option… and i like your propsals…. get’r dun!
But would Gillis trade him to a team that already has their X Moose coach?
I don’t see why not. No ill will there that I’m aware of.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not saying there is ill will but they already have a guy (Arniel) that knows the Canucks prospects inside and out. Then trade them one of the Canucks current blueliners… I just don’t want it to be easier for the Jackets to compete with us having more of our men.
I’m not worried about the Jackets being able to compete with us any time soon :)
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Depending on what Ladd gets at his arbitration hearing, I’d be mighty fine with your #3.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder what Ryan Kesler thinks of having Andrew Ladd as a teammate? There’s some bad “blood” between the two =)
I think there might be too much made out of that. I bet you Kesler and Ladd would play well together, and would like each other as teammates.
by Vancouverguy on Jul 16, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Well you just threw away your first two guesses :)
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
He gets second place. As Holland knows, the first loser spot still holds value.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
1. Dallas
2. Dallas and a 2nd-round pick
3. Dallas for Jamie Benn
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I would pee my pants if GMMG made this trade….
by Moose Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
SO MUCH PEE
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
i was thinking of going with Columbus and Filatov, but a few people had already picked Columbus. i like having something different, to make me a sole winner :P
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GMMG
i just randomly came up with a few more potentially better nicknames for him just a minute ago: McGee, McG
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Gillisgan?
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, we have that one too. it’s just that i don’t like GMMG so much anymore.
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unfortunately, my situation might not happen, considering how the stars just signed 3 dmen (including lukowich)….
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on the other hand dallas is about to get sold to someone that might want to open up the purse strings and spend their cap money. bieksa is an upgrade over almost all of their dmen.
Maybe… but if we haven’t heard anything other than media reports about the sale (i.e. nothing official from any of the actual parties involved), it’s safe to say that there is a fair amount of time before any official handover will occur. We need the purse strings opened up at least a few days in advance of the season because the trade must be done by then!
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll try this
1. San Jose
2. San Jose and 2nd round pick
3. San Jose for Derek Joslin
switch Aaron Voros for George Parros
Vancouver lacks moustaches. That has been our missing link for all those years.
Think about it … ’82 we had Snepts, ’94 we had Babych …. we need more moustaches :P
If we do that, we’d have to dump O’Brien and then keep only a 21 man roster that scrapes the cap, because I don’t see where else we can dump salary after SOB. Gagne is great but that sounds like playing with fire to me. And doesn’t Philly want to shed salary, not pick up salary?
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Bieksa rumor now
…suggests Bieksa to Columbus for a 2nd rounder in 2011 and prospect Kevin Lynch. Claimed the source was Team1040…don’t see it anywhere else. Just a rumor for now.
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Lynch doesn’t sound that great to me.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
okay, unless the Team1040 is reporting from another media outlet source or has someone from the Canucks organization come on and say it, it is impossible to use Team1040 as a source anymore.
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completely agree
It was just someone running with a made up rumor. Twitter pile on!
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by Yankee Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
1.Toronto Maple Leafs
2.A Second and third round pick from Toronto
3.Toronto for Jay Rosehill and Luca Caputi
do not want rosehill
will take Caputi though.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
So they would have no picks in the first three rounds? Haha. That’d be hilarious. I want this just so the Leafs can further fuck their future.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
That's what I was thinking!
I could totally see Burke wanting Bieksa too, he’s his kind of player.
Didn't
Burkie draft Juice?
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
possibly
he was drafted 5th round in 2001.
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Other notables from the Vancouver '01 draft
RJ Umberger
Fedor Fedorov
Jason King
I remember Jason King
He was on fire for a while, scoring PPGs like there was no tomorrow (was team PPG record holder/leader for a long time), then he just dropped off the face of the map.
Oh Fedor. Why couldn’t you be more like Sergei?
Fucking Umberger.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Toronto just got Caputi in the last deadline. I dont’ see them giving up on him.
by Vancouverguy on Jul 16, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
1) Tampa Bay Lightning
2) Tampa Bay Lightning and a 3rd round pick
3) Tampa Bay Lightning and Teddy Purcell
1. Anaheim
2. Anaheim and a 3rd rounder
3. Anaheim and Kyle Chipchura
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 10:18 AM PDT reply actions
Where Kevin Lands
1. List the name of the team: Carolina
2. List the team and picks involved: Carolina gives us a 5th round pick
3. List the team and players/prospects involved: Canucks trade Alberts and Bieksa. Carolina trades Chad LaRose
I don’ t think that’s nearly enough value in return!
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Hard to say. This deal gets Alberts out of Vancouver and gets us something for him (the 5th rounder). Then we get a guy in LaRose who can help us on the bottom 6 forward unit, particularly when the going gets tough come playoff time. LaRose is a past 19 goal scorer who would fit very well onto our 3rd line.
I think people are seriously over-valuing what Bieksa is really worth. He’s a second pairing D-man with an expiring contract that will make him a UFA. He’s no where near as valuable as some seem to think. He’s certainly not going to go for someone like Filatov. Take a look at what San Jose got back last year when they wanted to get Ehrhoff’s salary off their books. If that’s what they could get for a guy with 2 years left on an undervalued deal, just imaging with Kev is worth with 1 year left on an overvalued deal.
The market for top 4 d-men is WAY higher this offseason than last offseason. Just compare all the signings. And there supposedly is a bidding war. I don’t think we’re overestimating at all. And I think we should keep Alberts. If worse comes to worse we can always trade him for a 5th rounder somewhere else, no need to be involved in this trade. Don’t see much added value there.
I would consider Bieksa alone for LaRose and a mid-level pick. LaRose might be making too much money though for that.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
What are you basing your “WAY higher” analysis on? If the market were “WAY higher” guys like Kaberle would have already been dealt. Same goes for a guy like Andy Sutton. If there’s such a market Sutton wouldn’t still be unsigned. This year’s market is actually smaller. There are less teams with cap space than there were last year. There are also less teams looking to pay a guy like Bieksa $3.75M for a year.
The fact that the deal hasn’t been done yet doesn’t say anything at all about their market value. It just says those parties haven’t decided yet what to do. The price paid for Hamhuis, Ballard, Michalek, Volchenkov, Gonchar, Martin, Kubina, Tallinder I think is certainly higher than those same players could have commanded last year. That’s what I’m basing it on. And non-Vancouver media are speculating that there are many suitors trying to get Bieksa, which should up his value.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re comparing apples and oranges. The names you’re mentioning were mostly UFAs. I think we can also agree that Bieksa isn’t anywhere near the league that those guys are in.
And there are none of those guys left available. He and Kaberle are the best thing left, and Kaberle will clearly cost more. Those need a top-4 d-man not willing to pay the Kaberle price, or who want a grittier player, will need to go the Bieksa route. I haven’t heard of any others available, except maybe Sutton as you’ve mentioned who is 35 and borderline 2nd pairing.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Gagne's return re-inforces my point
Philly getting back Matt Walker and a fourth-round draft pick in 2011 for Simon Gagner should give you a good idea what a salary dump of a soon to be UFA like Bieksa is really worth. Don’t expect much back for Bieksa unless the Canucks include some serious prospects.
Nope…
Why you would compare the two is rather silly. Its a specious comparison.
One is a defenseman making 3.75, the other a forward making 5.25.
Couple that with Gagne’s injury history ( far worse than Bieksa ), and the fact that Bieksa is younger, with a skill set that most teams crave on their blue lines, and it is comparing apples and oranges.
Bieksa has way more interest, if you believe all the rumors. At least 5 teams serious ( SJ/Ana/Wash/Columbus and one other that escapes me )…
Yes, the Canucks are probably looking for a pick and prospect because of Cap concerns…but I can’t see our GM just giving him away.
Peace
Uhh, little of what you say is even valid, or makes sense for that matter.
Age: Gagner – born 1980, Bieksa – born 1981. So, no their ages aren’t measurably different.
Injury history: past 4 seasons Gagner played 238 games. Bieksa – 242.
Interest levels: There were just as many teams that were reportedly interested in Gagner (LA, Boston, Tampa, etc.). Don’t get yourself so wrapped around rumors. Most of these rumors are put out there by agents in the hopes that they can cultivate interest in their clients.
What matters most in the salary cap era is a team’s interest in taking on a contract. One of the reasons Tampa traded for Gagner was so that they could get a guy who can be a veteran leader, contribute offensively and has an expiring contract. Again, in this regard Bieksa is fairly similar. How much of a leader he is is probably questionable.
Bottom line here is that the comparables between Gagner and Bieksa are nearly identical. The only difference is that Gagner was a premier player when he signed his deal so it’s worth more money.
Gagne's injuries
are more likely to re-occur and cause problems while Bieksa getting a deep cut from a skate again is highly unlikely. You can’t look at number of games without realizing that the actual injury is the concern not how many games were missed. And I used to know a guy who was in the Canucks locker room a lot about 3 or 4 years ago and he had nothing but great things to say about Bieksa and his leadership. The guys in that locker room love him. Especially since he is willing to jump in and get beat up if necessary to protect one of his teammates. They love him in that room.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Jul 20, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless you’ve got a crystal ball I’m not sure how you are determining that Gagne is less likely to be re-injured than Bieksa.
Gagne has had some concussions, completely unpredictable injury. Bieksa has had skate cuts. Again completely unpredictable injury.
And as far as the leadership goes, so what if he’s liked by his peers. That’s not leadership. That’s being popular. Leadership is being able to set a tone and lead by example. Two things that Juice most definitely didn’t do against the Hawks in the playoffs either of the past two years.
I am not saying that at all
I am saying Gagne has injuries that are more likely to re-occur. That doesn’t mean they will. It just means that groin strains and concussions are injuries that frequently happen more than once. So in order to limit your risk you consider those factors.
Concussions are only unpredictable the first time. After that you can’t predict on what day it will occur but you can be pretty sure more will happen.
And If you need for me to explain the last point to you then I won’t bother. Leadership is about a lot of things and being loved by your teammates is one way to have their attention. Here is a small example. Bieksa is the guy who picks the music before games more often than not. He decides what they listen to and the rest of the guys are happy to let him do it. It means they like him and respect him and follow his lead. If you played a lot of sports to a reasonably high level you would understand the connection there.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Jul 20, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah yes, my favorite argument of all time. The “you never played sports argument”. Actually I have played sports at a high level. I do lead a large organization/development team. I have a pretty good idea about what leadership is.
If the best example you can come up with for Bieksa is that he picks the music you don’t have much of an argument.
How about explaining why it is that this great leader can’t follow a game plan put forth by the coaching staff. When the Canucks needed veteran leadership to calm things down in game 3 and 4 against Chicago and Bieksa was expected to be one of the leaders in that regard he wasn’t. First off he couldn’t control himself. Secondly he couldn’t influence his teammates. That’s what leadership is. It’s kinda defined by the word itself. Leadership is being able to convince others to follow you.
When picking good music becomes a key to winning the Cup, I guess we’re set. Until then give your head a rattle.
I never said you didn't play sports at a high level
and that wasn’t my argument. There is a connection that you should be able to make if you played sports at a high level. A connection between a small example of a guy being liked and respected in the locker room and having a little bit of leadership ability. If you did but can’t make that connection I am not sure what the problem is but it’s not on my end.
Let’s be honest. That wasn’t the best example I can come up with. I have dozens of others. Dozens. It was just the first one that popped into my head so I jotted it down. I think you need to settle down.
I never once said Bieksa was a great leader. Never once. I said a guy I know had great things to say about Bieksa as a person and about his leadership skills. That’s completely different from “Bieksa is a great leader” which I never said so stop trying to put words into my mouth. I was simply answering your query about leadership with first hand knowledge I have about Bieksa. In the room he is loved by his teammates, or was at the time my friend was in the room a lot, and was highly thought of and respected. That’s all I said. I didn’t say he was a great player or a great leader. So I am not sure why you are getting so worked up about this.
I mean come on man. Your argument is that Bieksa couldn’t convince his teammates to follow him because he couldn’t execute a game plan and couldn’t calm things down in the playoffs? What does Bieksa’s ability to play hockey have to do with my statement that he is liked and respected in the dressing room? He did shit the bed in the playoffs and didn’t set a good example. Wasn’t a great leader and wasn’t a veteran presence on the ice against Chicago. But again, what does that have to do with what I am talking about? He is liked and respected in the locker room. You could argue that players do follow his example which is why the whole team failed to execute a game plan and failed to remain calm in big moments but that’s an argument for a different day. When you respond to my actual point we can continue this conversation. Until then I am done with this.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Jul 21, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Too funny!
The “point” that was made from the start is that Bieksa and Gagne’s trade value is very similar. Just like Bieksa’s trade value ought to be less than Ehrhoff’s last season. As an aside, I can’t imagine how it could actually work out that way, but logic would suggest that an over-payed Bieksa should be worth a lot less than an under-payed Ehrhoff.
That’s the point. So, to summarize your response to what I said:
1. Bieksa is worth more than Gagne because he’s more likely to get re-injured.
2. Bieksa might be worth more because he’s liked by his team-mates.
All completely subjective and speculative. I provided some tangible, measurable evidence to make my point. You’ve got your speculation. I know which one I’d do my banking on. And I’m guessing I know which one NHL GMs would also.
What are you talking about?
Bieksa is less liekly to get injured because his injuries have been freak accidents where as Gagne has had concussions and groin injuries which are likely to re-occur. How is that even debatable at this point?
And all I said was that Bieksa is well liked in the room. I didn’t draw ANY conclusions from that. You did. Now fuck off.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Jul 21, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, because Bieksa’s injury was so freak that it couldn’t happen a second time? That’s already been proved wrong once.
Anyone can get a concussion at any time. Surely you’ve watched enough organized sports, or as you said, “played a lot of sports to a reasonably high level” that you know this.
The statement that I was responding to in all of this was that Gagne’s injury history was “far worse than Bieksa’s”. The evidence doesn’t back that up. They’ve both missed similar time (history) over the past 3 or 4 seasons.
You really are quite entertaining though, I’ll give you that. You’ve tried repeatedly to say something that makes any sense, yet all you do is get angry with me and spout on about how I’m not responding to your arguments. If your arguments are so convincing, why are you getting so angry?
I am angry cause you are too thick
to even understand what my argument is let alone respond to it. And you can’t even get straight in your head what my argument is. That’s pretty frustrating. I mean you have responded to me a couple times now and not once have you argued against what I am saying cause you haven’t grasped my points yet. But this is the end of it for me I will say one more thing and then I will dismiss you.
Gagne’s injuries are more likely to re-occur and cause problems while Bieksa getting a deep cut from a skate again is highly unlikely.
When you figure that statement out let me know. Also let me know where I said Gagne’s injuries were “far worse” than Bieksa’s. Provide a link or a quote or else stop putting words in my mouth to try to prove your ridiculous argument.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Jul 21, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
You continue to be a source of entertainment. I have responded to your argument. Every thing you just repeated yet again I already responded to in my Jul 21, 2010 3:56 PM PDT reply.
And again, in another clear indication of your lack of reading comprehension the quote I made of Gagne’s injury history being more serious than Bieksa’s comes right out of this thread, from when the discussion of Bieksa’s value compared to Gagne first began. It wasn’t written by you. I didn’t put words in your mouth. I clearly said “The statement that I was responding to in all of this was that Gagne’s injury history was…” Never once in that quote is your name mentioned. Surely you can at least figure all of this out.
All I’m asking you and others to do is be able to back up what you say. I’ve provided plenty of actual history to back up my arguments. All you’ve provided is your opinion that Gagne is more likely to get a concussion than Bieksa is to get a skate cut. Your point is simply impossible to prove and a giant red herring. For example, explain to me how it is that you know that Gagne is more likely to get a concussion than Bieksa is.
Honestly? Your still going on this?
You are clearly way to dense for me to waste my time on. But I will try one last time. If you can’t understand that a concussion is more likely to re-occur than a freak skate cut what can I do? I mean, I don’t need to back that up with anything. It’s a fact. The word “freak” there should be your first clue. Everyone knows that what happened to Bieksa was highly unlikely and for it to happen twice near impossible. A third time? Highly, highly unlikely. Where as a concussion is highly likely to re-occur at some stage.
For example, explain to me how it is that you know that Gagne is more likely to get a concussion than Bieksa is.
Um…well I am not sure who to put this in terms that you will understand. I guess the easiest way to say it is that Gagne has had serious concussion issues in the past and Bieksa hasn’t. Once a player has had one concussion they are more likely to sustain another. Does this mean he WILL get a concussion? No. Does it mean Bieksa won’t? No. It just means Gagne is more likely. More likely meaning there is a slightly higher chance of Gagne getting concussed than Bieksa.
Maybe some facts will help you see? I doubt it by why not try? It’s slow at work today.
Although it was believed Gagné had suffered three concussions in five months, he was told by doctors that he only had one and further injuries re-aggravated the symptoms
Studies indicate that prior concussions indeed lower the threshold for subsequent concussion injury and increase symptom severity in even seemingly mild subsequent concussions.
But that’s all I will say because I realize it won’t sink in anyway.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Jul 22, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we all understand the info you’ve provided. I think we all realize that repeat concussions are more likely in a single individual.
That being the case, it doesn’t say anything about the likelihood of Bieksa missing less action in the future than Gagne. And that’s where you can’t seem to understand what my point is here. You’re trying to make a jump from your repeated concussion argument to a conclusion about who is more likely to be injured in the future.
They’re both likely to be injured in the future. They play professional hockey. People are injured all the time. Just like Bieksa has more than likely had concussions in the past of his own. Just like Bieksa could break his leg tomorrow, Gagne could take a puck to the eye, Bieksa could dislocate his shoulder, etc., etc.
Time will tell on the return that the Canucks get for Bieksa (if they do in fact trade him at all). That was the original point of the thread. I provided my opinion as to a market value based return for the guy. People questioned it. I provided some real world examples of what I based my opinion on. It isn’t any more complicated than that.
Yes it does
jesus man why can’t you get this. When a GM is building a team he is going to look at potential players he may want to acquire and see a history of concussions and groin strains and realize that those are more likely to re-occur than a freak skate cut to the leg. It means that Gagne is more likely to get injured again in the future than Bieksa. That doesn’t mean it will or won’t happen. It doesn’t mean one will get hurt and one won’t. Maybe they both get hurt. Maybe neither ever does. But GMs and teams look at these things and try to minimize risk. And Gagne is more of an injury risk than Bieksa.
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by Section 312 on Jul 22, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
You just proved my point with your last reply. Neither of us can predict the future.
Clearly with Gagne though, there are GMs that took his history into account and determined that he was an investment that was worthwhile.
What I get the most amusement out of in this whole “discussion” is that you keep telling me that I need to get it, or let it go or whatever; but you’re the guy who can’t let it go. Do you feel better about yourself if you have the last word or something? Will that make you feel like you’re right?
I do so love when
people accuse me of needing to get the last word. Neither one of us looked likely to stop the conversation. It’s a classic technique when losing an argument. Accuse the other guy of having to have the last word so if they write anything after that it makes them look like they just wanted the last word regardless of how strong their argument is and whether or not it had anything to do with wanting to have the last word.
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by Section 312 on Jul 23, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, Gagne had a no trade clause. NTC + forward + $5.25 mill is a far different story than $3.75 can-be-traded-anywhere Bieksa and has nothing to do with our primary discussion about how much value top-4 d-men have this offseason!
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 19, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Just to jump in here...
I think Vancouver fans and media are unreasonably hard on Bieksa. He’s a two-time 40 point, top 4, two-way d man just entering his prime. I think his value is high.
Yes, he’s had some fuck ups in the last couple of years – trust me, when you sever a couple of tendons, your confidence starts to wain. His mistakes are amplified because Vancouver fans (myself included) and media are foaming at the mouth for a scapegoat. Confidence can be rebuilt and other teams know that.
For the record, I’m sorry he’s probably going to be traded because he has been my favorite Canuck for the last 3 years – the guy is ALWAYS angry and I love it. He probably just needs a fresh start and needs to be free of this constant criticism.
by Moose Canuckles on Jul 17, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Damn…all the good ones are gone. I guess I will try a long shot and a even money deal.
1. Atlanta
2. Columbus for a 1st.
3. Kevin Bieksa and Mason Raymond for Ladd and a 2nd and a 3rd.
I don’t want that trade! It just creates a hole… we are mediocre but passable on line 3… that trade would help with that, but then create a complete hole on line 2 with nothing at all to fill it!
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
OK…Kevin Bieksa and Hansen for Ladd and a 2nd.
Better?
Oh damn…double dipped there Mike…sorry.
He’s right though, like this one better.
Ladd is a second line player who
played 3rd line in Chicago. He has the skills and abilities to play on line 2 and really mesh well with Kesler.
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by Section 312 on Jul 16, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
What would you reckon?
Move him up and down as necessary (special team time + 3rd line); pop him onto the second and move Raymond down to third; put him on the third to increase the potency there; move Raymond…?
How would you see him fitting best?
I think it would depend on the opposition
if you want to shut down a team with one line, like the Flames (OK well part of one line anyway), you could put Manny and Ladd together as a shut down unit with Sammy or Burr. Then have a second line of Hodgson, Raymond and Kesler. Something along those lines anyway depending who makes the team.
Then maybe if you want more balance to your offense and defense cause the team you are playing has balance you could go with Sedins and Sammy or Burr, Kes Ladd and Raymond and then Manny with Burr or Sammy and Hodgson (fingers crossed). I would like the felxability of that lineup. Although I am not sure we can afford it unless we move more than just Bieksa’s contract.
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by Section 312 on Jul 16, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
1. Florida
2. Columbus and 3rd.
3. Columbus and Ethan Moreau.
by Jordy Stephens on Jul 16, 2010 10:59 AM PDT reply actions
welcome to the site.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
1. Montreal
2. Montreal for a 1st
3. Montreal – Bieksa, Ehrhoff, Raymond for Markov, Kostitsyn, Moen & 1st
welcome to the site. your choices are making you look like a Habs fan.
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Wasn't
the last one a trade rumour?
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I think
it actually was from Eklund, or someone similar.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Dorsett and Rypien, thus giving us a pair of Lilliputian pugilists.
A creep from the cradle, but a hero's what I want to be
I got it.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
1. Phoenix
2. Phoenix – 2nd Rounder
3. Phoenix – Kyle Turris
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ooh, phoenix, that’s a different choice.
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Figured they have lost Michalek, who they wanted to keep, so might be looking for a solid blueliner… Plus everyone took the good options already!
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by nucksandpucks on Jul 16, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
Turris would love to play in his hometown.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I've got this feeling it'll be completely out of the blue..
1. St. Louis
2. St. Louis for a 3rd and a 4th
3. St. Louis – Jonas Junland and Simon Hjalmarsson
Uh, oh...
Better get a team in here, quick! Columbus seems to be the favourite, so…
1. The team: LA Kings
2. The team and picks involved: LA Kings for a second 2011 and fourth 2012
3. The team and players/prospects involved: Scott Parse and Brandon Kozun.
Just so I have a chance cuz I'm so slow
gotta pick a long shot team. Was gonna go with phoenix, but dammit, nux and pucks beat me to it.
Montreal
Montreal for a second
Montreal for LaPerriere
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by Twitchy2010 on Jul 16, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
1) Bieksa to Colorado Avalanche
2) Bieksa for 2nd round pick
3) Bieksa and 3rd round pick for T.J. Galiardi and 4th round pick
I don’t know much about Galiardi, but he’s got a low cap hit and seems okay. Maybe him and a higher pick.
I know the Avs have a lot of cap room and are low on defensmen…
Don't the Avs
have a self-imposed cap ceiling?
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
The new plan
for the Avalanche is to take 6 million, put it in a bucket, and leave it on the bench all season. That way they are still “building from within” and hit the floor without touching their own ceiling.
I do like this game you have going except Galiardi is nearly untouchable after the playoffs.
Jimmy Howard invented the Stanley Cup.
To help everyone, here's Elliotte Friedman's opinion:
13. If the Vancouver Canucks do trade Kevin Bieksa, the team will do whatever it can to prevent it from being a salary dump. Mike Gillis wants to make a hockey deal.
From his 30 Thoughts blog.
Who knew that guy
could come up with 30 seperate thoughts.
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by Section 312 on Jul 16, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you seriously dissing Friedman? His 30 thoughts are always great. He does them every couple weeks or so.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Am serious
and don’t call me Shirley. I don’t like Friedman. Never have and never will. He is a thoroughly slimy character as far as I am concerned. I think he may have been hatched by Bettman That’s how uncomfortable I feel when looking at and listening to him. He makes my skin crawl. Other than that he is OK.
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by Section 312 on Jul 16, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, we have completely a different outlook on the guy. I think he’s got great insight and most people seem to appreciate his stuff, at least from what I’ve heard. Wow.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry maybe we are talking about someone different?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za9Yi92vjwQ
This guy? Makes my skin crawl. Look at him. He looks like General Ackbar. I want to cook him on a cedar plank with some rosemary. If he looked more like a fish he be heading up stream right now to spawn.
He asks ridiculous questions that don’t matter. What was going through your head on that 2 on nothing? Really? That’s the best question you can ask? He stumbles over his words all the time. Which I do to but I am not on national TV. He is so pro-Toronto he makes Bob Cole look like a west coaster. The guy is just so awkward. I don’t like the way he talks, the way he looks or the shit he says.
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by Section 312 on Jul 16, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha. Tell us what you really think!
Seriously though, I thought that was about average for interview technique, pretty run of the mill. His insight and analysis are what I’m more interested than his post-game tired-player interview ability.
I think he’s one of the better guys on HNIC. You prefer meatheads like PJ Stock? Boring guys like goalie-of-the-future? Douchebags like Scott Oake (such a douche)? Hit-jobbers like Ron McLean? Girls like Cassie Campbell*? Blowhard relics like Grapes?
The only other guys I consistently like are Hrudey and Hughson.
*(missy/eightyseven bait)
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I dislike all of them,
other than Hughson, to varying degrees. Friedman the most.
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by Section 312 on Jul 16, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m hoping one of the girls comes and takes my bait
hehehehehe
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Now we wait...
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
….. but i don’t see how that’s bait…..
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by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
but if you say you’re expecting it, that ruins the fun.
plus, i don’t really notice the chauvanism or sexism in there.
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AUGH!!!!!
I was creating a list of why most of the people on HNIC suck. The character flaws included being…
-a meathead
-a douchebag
-a hit-jobber
-boring
-A GIRL
-a blowhard
COME ON!!!!! I was very proud of that one and you’re CRUSHING me here.
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 17, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
FAIL
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 17, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Missy
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 17, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
PJ
is drunk, all the time.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
i like him, though. thank goodness he brings (a bit of somewhat-handsome) youth to the broadcast.
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Yeah
you would think he’s handsome.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Mmmmm yummy juicy bait..
Look up just a bit missy…
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
ITS A TRAP
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
He does ’em every monday during the season too. Things to chew on, even if you disagree with his character.
So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.
by thelastjohnny on Jul 16, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
1. San Jose
2. San Jose for a 2nd and 4th rounder
3. San Jose with a 2nd rounder for the rights to Devin Setoguchi
Welcome to the site.
And I would love to get Gooch for like 1.5 mill a year, 4 years :P
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
You and every other fan in the league. Think he’s going to get 2.5-3 and picking him up would probably require us to move Raymond, but I’m fine with that, given he’s bigger, stronger, and has more finish. Don’t think San Jose can afford to pay him, a top-4 d-man, and fill out their bottom lines, so he appears to be the odd man out (If the Hjalmarsson contract had gone through, he certainly would have been).
Thanks for the welcome.
by NeverScaredB on Jul 16, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd take
him over Gooch too. But we’ll probably go with MayRay.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
No no
I’d take Gooch over MayRay. Sorry.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
1. Gillis somehow magically massages the cap to keep Bieksa in Vancouver
- Hey, why not, no one else was going to post it.
2. Phoenix for a 1st rounder
3. Phoenix for Mikkel Boedker
Canucks fans talking about the Canucks: Pass it To Bulis!
Sorry to see him go...
1. Ducks
2. Ducks – 2nd & 6th rounder (and Canucks throw in a 7th)
3 Ducks – Justin Schultz or Stefan Warg (and a 2012 4th rounder)
Calm Down...
I switched it up
"I run this" - Slick Rick
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Then...
I switched it up again… no one has this one!
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I'm going with something completely made up and highly unlikely
1. Edmonton
2. Edmonton – 2nd and 3rd rounder
3. Edmonton – Gilbert Brule and Sam Gagner
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by Section 312 on Jul 16, 2010 2:45 PM PDT reply actions
I would adore this trade.
Brule was always destined to be a Canuck.
by creeperjones on Jul 17, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I GOT IT!
Instead of trading Bieksa for a 3rd liner, just put him on the 3rd line. If / when a D-man gets injured, then we have a back up!
…then I realized that 3.75 is way too much for that. That’s almost like having Demitra again!
That’s what Chicago did with Byfuglien except Byfuglien somehow got really good when paired with Kane and Toews.
Hmmm… I think even my used jock could be really good with Kane and Toews. Who’ll want to move it out from in front of the net anyway?
So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.
by thelastjohnny on Jul 16, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Bieksa for Randy Jones + “whats-his-name-that-no-one-heard-of-before” that Ripper beat up on the Kings during the playoffs, you know the one that hurt his shoulder? ;)
1. Stays in Vancouver
2. LA and 2nd Round pick
3. Columbus and Rick Nash
4. Phoenix and Steve Nash
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We already have Steve Nash’s brother-in-law!
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 16, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m thinking Bieksa stays and someone else is moved, but here goes:
1) Anaheim
2) Anaheim and a second round pick (they’ve got a lot of extra picks from the Chris Pronger deal)
3) Anaheim with Luca Sbisa and Todd Marchant for Bieksa and a 3rd rd pick
interesting idea
who do you think would be traded instead?
I can’t think of anyone else with as big a cap hit… other than the guys they just signed
I see O’Brien being traded more than anything. I like his passion, but Vigneault doesn’t. And Ehrhoff, his value is the most high right now. But I like him. It’s confusing to think about, but one of the defensemen that worked their butts off last year is going to be moved…
Wouldn’t it be something if Salo announced his retirement like days before the season started, unbeknownest to the fans, but orchestrated by Mike Gillis?
could happen
That’s an interesting thought. He didn’t have a bad year last year though.
In fact, it was one of his most injury free seasons in a while.
1. Detroit (because they do things like this)
2. Columbus for a 1st and 2nd rounder (don’t see a player on that team we would want back and their defensive depth chart is laughable so they will shell out)
3. Washington for Stanislav Galiev (wanted Chimera and a 2nd, but throwing away the money for the satisfaction of being right is simply not worth it)
We pick up our depth forwards as FA’s, plenty of decent options there.
Bieksa in "Back to the Future":
1. 1990 Winnipeg Jets
2. 1990 Winnipeg Jets and their 4th round pick.
3. 1990 Winnipeg Jets and Roman Meluzin
That’s gold Jerry,
gold!
Goddamn Bania
WHY DON’T THEY CALL IT OVALTINE
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 16, 2010 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
No, Ottawa doesn’t need Bieksa, but I got here late, so all the teams were already taken. I think that Juice will end up in Toronto, because he’s from Grimsby, Burkie would want him, and Juice will just go and glare at MG until he agrees to send him home. :-)
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 17, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
1. Carolina
2. Carolina for 2011 2nd rounder and 2012 3rd rounder
3. Carolina for Jamie McBain
by Moose Canuckles on Jul 17, 2010 9:49 AM PDT reply actions
MCBAIN
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C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 17, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
LAUGHING TIME
IS OVAH.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 17, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
For fun.
1. Rangers
2. Rangers give us a 2nd round pick
3. Rangers trade Brandon Dubinsky and Marc Staal for Bieksa, Raymond, and Hansen.
They would never.
although I wouldn’t mind getting Del Zotto or Staal.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 17, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Ryan Carter was just on waivers. I was actuallly disappointed we didn’t nab him.
by Moose Canuckles on Jul 18, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Is he a lovechild
of Bobby Ryan and Jeff Carter? If so, DO WANT.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
"The TV business is uglier than most things. It is normally perceived as some kind of cruel and shallow money trench through the heart of the journalism industry, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs, for no good reason." - HST
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 18, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
In defence of Bieksa
Umm…. You sure you want a guy this angry to leave the team?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9pNxiHM5kM&feature=player_embedded#!
by Moose Canuckles on Jul 18, 2010 10:40 AM PDT reply actions
Juice
lost his shit on those Rangers players.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
"The TV business is uglier than most things. It is normally perceived as some kind of cruel and shallow money trench through the heart of the journalism industry, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs, for no good reason." - HST
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 18, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Ya… I love it. Reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kJno60rwE4
They take a lot of shit, but Cloutier and Bieksa are still two of my favorite players for this type of pure rage.
by Moose Canuckles on Jul 18, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
If only rage
equated to goaltending skill, my sentiments towards Clouts would be much warmer.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
"The TV business is uglier than most things. It is normally perceived as some kind of cruel and shallow money trench through the heart of the journalism industry, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs, for no good reason." - HST
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 18, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
P.S.
I got this from Puck Daddy who has an article up about fights this last year.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy
by Moose Canuckles on Jul 18, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
1. bruins
2. bruins for a 1st
3. bruins for danny paille and a 3rdish rnd pick
juice would go nicely in boston not to mention they need another top 4, i would love to try and pry away hunwick or boychuck from them but that would be a bit of a stretch to say the least for juice. but since were dreaming i love the mtl scenario just as long as we get pks back in any deal with them:)
It's good to love to win but it's better to hate to lose.
1. Boston Bruins – why did anyone pick the same team as somebody else, you obviously can’t win.
2 – ducks and third pick 2011 + 7th 2012
3 – ducks and dan sexton + 5th pick 2011
1. Minnesota (one of the few remaining unpicked teams with the most cap space)
2. Dallas for a 3rd and 5th.
3. Anaheim for Beleskey and Carter with Shirokov going the other way.
Poutine & Meatballs
I’m guessing Minny is more likely for a ‘return of willie mitchell’
by Beantown Canuck on Jul 19, 2010 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Canes Country Blog
One of their contributors tossed out the idea of Bieksa for Samsonov. Doesn’t seem to be that plausible but certainly more so than McBain (at least from Carolina’s end). Rutherford would be loathe to move McBain unless someone really knocked him over with an offer. Maybe a pick from Carolina and some other warm body from the Canucks to get them under the cap would make this work? Even if he priced himself out of their reach with a good year, Bieksa would give some of the Hurricanes’ younger defensemen another year to matriculate in the A. Samsonov seems to be most effective when he’s in the last year of his contract, so it’s probably work out for the Canucks. Worst case scenario, he walks to the KHL and you have more cap space.
(Full Disclosure: As odd as it will sound, I’m quite probably the only person alive whose two favorite NHL teams are Carolina and Vancouver.)
relax, it’s okay to like both teams at once. i somewhat like the Canes because Brindamour is from my hometown, and everyone from my high school (except for the new math teacher from edmonton) cheered for them in the 2006 SCF’s.
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Don't ask me about the Canucks 1994 Stanley Cup run, I was too young for it.
The Canes are one of those teams that I respect because they’re well-run and usually pretty good teams.
They’re like the Predators of the East to me.
Poutine & Meatballs
Plus
Jussi Jokinen is fucking awesome.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
"The TV business is uglier than most things. It is normally perceived as some kind of cruel and shallow money trench through the heart of the journalism industry, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs, for no good reason." - HST
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 19, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
BJ Crombeen
You’re nuts man, a real wild man!
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers of Eastbound and Down
"The TV business is uglier than most things. It is normally perceived as some kind of cruel and shallow money trench through the heart of the journalism industry, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs, for no good reason." - HST
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jul 20, 2010 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions
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