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"When we went out for dinner with Ryan and Henrik after the awards, we talked about our team," Gillis explained after the draft ended Saturday. "I didn't think we'd be this close for an additional year. We knew we had to accelerate our program. I would have hated to have this group of players come to training camp in September and tell them we couldn't make any key improvements." -The Vancouver Sun

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I am expecting Gillis to sign at least two players from outside the team via FA – a d-man and a fwd. But I would be elated if GIllis can somehow keep Mitchell for less, at least one more year. Then I’ll feel better about our chances immediately.

by nucklinBadger on Jun 27, 2010 6:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 27, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he gets a UFA defenceman and keeps Mitchell he’ll have 9 roster D. That’s too many.

by Sean Zandberg on Jun 27, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

We'll be

indestructible!

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 28, 2010 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

at least with 9 defensemen

we’ll be able to stay afloat when salo breaks another ball.

by seedvt on Jun 28, 2010 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

Great

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 28, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

awesome nucklinBadger! I needed the laugh!

by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thx! Unfortunately I am quoting the truth about the play of SOB and Juice for the past two years.

by nucklinBadger on Jun 28, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

SOB was a much better player this year. Still needs to get his head in order, but much better. I would be happy to keep him if we trade Bieksa. if we get another D-man as well, though, he’s the next one out after Juice.

by Beantown Canuck on Jun 28, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, at the end of the year, any way. But yeah, SOB has gotten better.

I actually like Bieksa: to me, Ballard is virtually the same player, only without the bizarre injury history (which I think Bieksa will recover from). I think teams need to have a guy that’s just a little bit out of control to keep the other team on their toes.

That said, with Ballard, we now have three of the same kind of defence, and that’s a bit excessive. Then again, we thought we had a very deep defence last year, and look what happened: Bieksa gets his leg slashed again and lost 30 games; Salo predictably went down for a short while; Mitchell was knocked out at the worst time for a long time; Schneider bottomed out and left the team; O’Brien lost 20 games and Lukowich decided to have surgery on his leg.

All of that isn’t going to happen again this season – or if it does, we should replace the medical staff with houngans and mambos to get rid of whatever curse is on the team. Wasn’t the roller hockey team called the Vancouver Voodoo…?

by Thursday on Jun 28, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I’ve got the hat to prove it.

A creep from the cradle, but a hero's what I want to be

by Smoboy41 on Jun 28, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Being a stickler...
Lukowich decided to have surgery on his leg.

That was actually his shoulder.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head with the bad luck that hit the Canucks’ D last season.

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by cyxj on Jun 28, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

D'oh!

I really should read more than just trying to remember stuff. Thanks!

by Thursday on Jun 29, 2010 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol awesome

rec’d.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 28, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

that sounds very reasonable.

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So, what exactly is Mike Gillis up to?

by missy on Jun 28, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t think we’d be this close for an additional year.

I don’t understand this quote. Gillis didn’t think we’d be this close to winning a cup until summer 2011? He understands we’re not hugely better than we were this time last year, right?

by Passive Voice on Jun 27, 2010 11:27 PM PDT reply actions  

See, I read that as being the 2011-12 season.. but it seems weird to admit that so I’m probably misinterpretating it.

by eleccy on Jun 28, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, that’s how i read it too. and it does seem a strange thing to say, especially because i don’t think this team is a whole shittonne better than it was 365 days ago. Gillis seems to be saying that we took a big step forward in 2009-2010 from 2008-2009 (one that he apparently expected to take two years, from 2009-2011), which I don’t really see.

by Passive Voice on Jun 28, 2010 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr maybe

Gillis means “I had a three-year scheme from the moment I took over in 2008, and the canucks are right now (after two seasons) where I thought they’d be next summer (after three), and I think PV needs to stop analysing every little fucking thing i say because it’s already after midnight and he should probably go to bed”.

/You got it, Gillis.
/marcstaal!!!!!

by Passive Voice on Jun 28, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haha. Your three year plan thing makes sense to me, but still. Maybe it means that he thought that there was more time for prospects to develop but since we just need something to push us over the edge and that’s the trades coming into play.

I pretty much agree with what Canuckk is saying with regards to the quote. I’m pretty excited to see what happens next.

by eleccy on Jun 28, 2010 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he means he didn’t think we’d be this close to the Cup for the 2010-11 season. Maybe I’m wrong though.

I like that Gillis seems to be getting that the Canucks time to win is now, and is willing to do what he can, within reason, to make that happen. It makes me optimistic on what he has planned over the next week or so. And in saying he’s not done with the Canucks D yet, it basically screamed that one of Bieksa or O’Brien (or both) will be gone by opening night. Getting rid of Bieksa and bringing in a Hamhuis, Martin or Michalek, along with the addition of Ballard, would be a MASSIVE upgrade to the Canucks D. I really hope that’s what Gillis has in the cards.

Seems like Gillis is much more willing to move to action rather then sit with his current roster after watching them somewhat implode during the playoffs twice in a row. Which to me is a very good thing. I want our top-6 to remain intact, but let’s rework the D and the bottom-6. If Gillis succeeds in retooling our roster and improving on D, we should become the team to beat in the West (unless LA gets Kovie…).

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by Canuckk on Jun 28, 2010 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still wouldn’t count the Hawks out of it yet in terms of “team-to-beat”-ness. They’re still going to be a force, especially since they managed to dump a ton of salary on Atlanta, and the cap went up over 2mil.

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 28, 2010 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

They still need to dump Huet to the AHL and at least one other key t2nd or 3rd liner (Ladd, Versteeg, Brouwer) in order to keep Hjarmalsson and Niemi, and even then they’ll be right up against the cap. And who knows what those guys could fetch come July 1 with teams out for the kill with offer sheets, so we’ll see what happens yet!

But I agree, Chicago will remain an elite team. But they will be noticeably thinner, depth-wise. Instead of coming at you in waves, they’ll be coming at you on-and-off, and that can make a big difference. The question is how much further do Kane and Toews, and possibly Keith (I think he may be at peak… but what a peak) raise their games next year. And will Hossa regain his form. The answer to those questions will be the difference maker.

by Beantown Canuck on Jun 28, 2010 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

They’ll still be a great team, that’s for sure, but their lack of depth this coming season will hurt them. They’re going to have to rely on Niemi and Crawford in net and rookies and AHLers in their bottom-6 and bottom-pairing D. Which is definitely going to hurt. If the Canucks manage to improve their roster (especially their D) enough then I think they can become the team to beat, though obviously it’ll still be close and very competitive.

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by Canuckk on Jun 28, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

That image is more amazing than funny. Perfect shot!

by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol rec'd.

"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner

by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 28, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn, Nature, you funny!

A creep from the cradle, but a hero's what I want to be

by Smoboy41 on Jun 28, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

that eagle is giving Jesus a run for his money. Not that Jesus needs money…or even has it for that matter

by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not funny, dude.

Cable TV shows on channel 104 don’t pay for themselves, man!

by Thursday on Jun 28, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want our top-6 to remain intact, but let’s rework the D and the bottom-6.

yep, that’s exactly what we need right now. although we have some good pieces for that already, we still need a couple more.

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So, what exactly is Mike Gillis up to?

by missy on Jun 28, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he means he didn’t think we’d be this close to the Cup for the 2010-11 season. Maybe I’m wrong though.

That’s how I took it. So put the winning team together Mike. WIN NOW!

by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed! We’re close enough to winning that a few moves can put us over the top. So get’er done, Gillis.

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by Canuckk on Jun 28, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

DO IT

DO IT NOW

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 28, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

GET TO DA CHOPPA

"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner

by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 28, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

My big problem

is with Gillis trying to sell everybody on the trade by saying Grabner ‘doesnt fit on the roster’ because hes redundant. This makes no sense! To say he cant play on the third line may be a little bold as well as he racked up 11 points in 20 games there, although he is probably better suited for the top 2 lines.

With that being said, take a look at the wingers on the top 2 lines. Raymond(once signed) and Sedin are entrenched in top 2 line roles. Burrows and Samuellson could easily play third line roles, both have grit and scoring ability. Burrows had a great season but he also played with the MVP of the league and his duplicate. Not to take anything away from Burrows, but his numbers were more a result of who he was playing with and the additional minutes the top line brings.

The other issue is with him lumping Raymond, Grabner, Hodgson, and Schroeder in the same category as smallish scoring forwards. First off Hodgson will likely play center as thats where he is best suited and therefore will play on the 3rd line with Kesler and Sedin locked down on the top 2 lines for the next few season at least. So where does that leave Shroeder? Im from Manitoba and see a decent amount of Moose games, including the playofff strech where Schroeder played and he is not physically ready to play NHL hockey yet and is more pigeon-holed as a center than Hodgson is. So with Sedin, Kesler, and Hodgson, where does Schroeder fit in on the roster in the next few years? If Gillis says Grabner cant play 3rd line wing, where does he invision Schroeder playing? To me the redunancy is with our center prospects, and not with 1 scoring wing prospect we had.

I do agree that we needed an upgrade on defense and someone who can log big minutes because after this year we only had two d-men under contract. I do like Ballard, but I dont think he has yet proven to be worth 4.2 mil a season, although he was on some bad teams and has the potential. Results get you paid, not potential and Im just not sure why we gave up so much for a player that was trying to be unloaded because of his contract. To me the team taking on that contract should be getting a slight discount not overpaying for it.

by 49er4life on Jun 28, 2010 9:16 AM PDT reply actions  

And for those of you who are so high on Shirokov as a wing prospect, dont be. He seems out of shape and very sluggish. I just dont think he will be able to keep pace with the tempo in the NHL.

by 49er4life on Jun 28, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

The thing about grabner is that he has value as a trade, whereas Shirokov and Shroeder don’t, really (well, not nearly as much anyways). Hodgson is off the market and obviously gillis wants to continue with Raymond, so what do we have as a bargaining chip besides grabner? Somebody had to be moved of raymond, grabs, shroeder or shirokov if not now then before the season got too deep, so who else could it be? Shroeder has low value, shirokov has low value and raymond’s in the long term plans. No one really wanted to see grabner go, but we really are full up on speedy wingers in development, and would u rather him rot in the minors or let him be traded and have the opportunity to reach potential? I’m not sure if ballard is worth 4.2 a season or not, we’ll have to see on that…but I don’t hate that Grabner was the catalyst to get us a fairly sought after defense-man. Not saying I love it either, but it’s not the sign of doom some people seem to think it is.

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by Twitchy2010 on Jun 28, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

We also gave up a 1st rounder and Bernier(who has underachieved but still has some value). Grabner was a thrown in apparently. I disagree with Schroeder having no value….he played well for Team USA at the WJHC and finished the tail-end of the year with the Moose racking up 15pts in 17 games and seemed to make a smooth transition to a better league.

My issue is more with what Gillis said, than the outcome. I do think we gave up more than market value, even with d-men being inflated

by 49er4life on Jun 28, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps, I’m not saying I disagree… but we also don’t know what other offers were out there. Bernier was going anyways, the draft pick was expendable. Maybe Grabner is the reason we got him instead of Anaheim or someone. Maybe not, I don’t know. I agree that Shroeder does have value, but there’s no way he’s got as much equity in a trade as Grabner did…he’s just not developed enough. That’s all I meant about trade values.

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by Twitchy2010 on Jun 28, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

What makes you say Grabner was a throw-in?

by Beantown Canuck on Jun 28, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Grabner was not a throw in.

I completely disagree with 49er4life

by SteveNux on Jun 28, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think the main cogs in the trade were Ballard/Grabner

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 28, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

early reports were saying Ballard for a 1st, then Ballard for Bernier and a 1st, then announced as the trade actually was. Maybe those were just rumours though

by 49er4life on Jun 28, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I wouldn’t speculate based on early reports. Some dude who’s never heard of Grabner hears Ballard and some dude for a 1st round and some dude… and that gets out there.

by Beantown Canuck on Jun 28, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

To say he cant play on the third line may be a little bold as well as he racked up 11 points in 20 games there,

I think he had some time in the top 6 too. I’m not sold on Shirokov at all. I say it’s not happening this season, or maybe ever

by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

team taking on that contract should be getting a slight discount not overpaying for it.

Agreed, if we don’t consider market supply and demand. I’ll say both Ballard and Hamhuis are both in US$2-3m per year range under “normal” circumstances.

But this year is NOT normal – the demand for d-men is greater than the supply. It is so ridiculously skewed that Hamhuis is somehow looking for a US$4-5m p.a. range. And with an expanding salary cap and no great bulge of dmen coming up to replenish all 30 teams, it does look like expensive D man are here to stay.

So US$4.2m p.a. suddenly looks like a discount to me, if you weigh against the US$5m that Gillis might have been forced to pay if he signs Hamhuis off the open market.

by nucklinBadger on Jun 28, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

though you had me thinking suddenly, where did all these “cup-caliber” goalies come from?

Niemi? Raask? Thomas? Boucher? The market is suddenly flooded with these goalies to be had on the cheap, unfortunately makes us look like fools for giving Louie the dozen year contract. We should all pray that Melanson can help Louie and make this year an exception.

by nucklinBadger on Jun 28, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if they’re all “cup-caliber” goalies.

Especially for Niemi and Boucher – they both had a very solid defense in front of them, and still showed moments of weakness.

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 28, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

Niemi had an outstanding team infront of him. He didnt win them that cup. He was the Trent Dilfer of the Blackhawks.

And Leighton/Boucher had 4 good d in front of him because thats all rolled with.

Raask is the real deal though

by 49er4life on Jun 28, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah…I agree. I don’t buy this being Cup caliber because they play on a deep team.

Rask was good for the B’s…but overall they were products of their system.

I still like the Louie deal. You can’t judge his whole career on a bad year.

Plus, he made a lot of first saves in the playoffs. Thedefense got outmuscled for a bunch of rebounds too.

by vancitydan on Jun 28, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you ready to say that Khabibulin was the same when he won the cup with the Lightning?

by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or how about Osgood with the Red Wings?

by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just saying I am annoyed with this crap about it being these new goalies…and having a big $$$ goalie is the way to go.

Luongo helped win the NW again…even with having his worst year here.

Khabby was better when he won with the Lightning…his career went downhill.

Ozzy was part of a very good team. He couldn’t even win the starter job this year.

More than one way to win a Cup…regardless of what Dean Lombardi said when he let Nabby go.

You can’t argue with the recent results…but I think it was more important for the Cup winning teams to have a deeper D than we had last year.

by vancitydan on Jun 28, 2010 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yet again I agree with Dan.

From my experience as a player and viewer/fan, D is probably the more important position.

You can cite Leighton and the Flyers’ D as an example. He’s a career back-up with a strong top 4 D in front of him.

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by cyxj on Jun 28, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Defensemen are like offensive lineman in football…almost.

That old saw about not knowing their name until they screw up!

The Hawks had the best D one through 6.

by vancitydan on Jun 28, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or

You don’t really notice the effect of D-men on the team unless they screw up. It can be hard to pin good defense down as the the reason a team is doing well, but it’s pretty easy to see when bad D is making a team lose

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 29, 2010 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

100% agreed

Mistakes on D are far more noticeable than mistakes on O, and excellence on O is far more noticeable than excellence on D. After a while, a trend can begin to show on both if you’re consistent, and that’s how players like Bernier get their can’t-hit-a-barn reputation, or Pronger get their he-will-destroy-you reputation. But for the most part it holds.

by Beantown Canuck on Jun 29, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

nice analogy!

So, out of a left tackle, left guard, center, right guard, and right tackle, all we need is a left tackle, left guard, center, right guard, and right tackle!

Ok, just kidding, maybe not the entire line (Erhoff, Edler, Salo and Ballard) but I would say we need a left tackle, that no. 1 defenseman and at least one rotation linemen.

by nucklinBadger on Jun 29, 2010 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lu still has only the 10th or so highest cap hit among goalies, though, so I don’t think we look like fools.

by Beantown Canuck on Jun 28, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

cough DiPietro cough

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 28, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

And despite the criticisms, Lu can still steal games. I would like to see him steal more and let in fewer softies, but here’s hoping the new goalie coach can help with that.

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 28, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

A defence that isn’t featuring SOB in the top 4 as it was against the Blackhawks.

That doesn’t completely excuse Lu, of course, should yoata pop up.

Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.

by Jevant on Jun 28, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not excusing Lu completely either, but it’s not like we’re paying Chris Mason $5.3M a year

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 28, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

it’s not like we’re paying Chris Mason $5.3M a year

Then why does it feel like we are? haha, Zing! I can take yoata’s spot. Except I mean what I said. Lou had better bounce back and quick.

by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

I will say that over the last few months I’ve heard less about Luongo than I have in any other 2 month period since he’s come to Vancouver. The media has largely given him a complete break.

Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.

by Jevant on Jun 28, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Til camp starts.

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by Smoboy41 on Jun 28, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 28, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeff Finger ruined it for GMs haha. I think Gillis is still going to make a strong play for Hamhuis

by 49er4life on Jun 28, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe if all these teams like Nashville, Chicago, Philly, etc. stopped hogging all the damn D-men we wouldn’t have this problem. Assholes driving up the market value

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 28, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is also the fact that the Canucks were in DESPERATE need for a high caliber D-man, and didn’t want to take a chance on seeing him slip away. When you are desperate, you are in no position to bargain too much.

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by AttilaS on Jun 28, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

100% agreed

…a bird in the hand.

There is no guarantee that they can get anyone on the FA market, and similarly no guarantee they wouldn’t have to badly overpay to do it. And let’s be real – including Bernier was a positive for the Canucks, because they can utilize that money better elsewhere (I was willing to include a pick to simply give Bernier away in a rosterbation post a while back). So it’s Grabner/1st for Ballard, Victor and Bernier’s salary opened up.

Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.

by Jevant on Jun 28, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

to say he cant play on the third line may be a little bold as well as he racked up 11 points in 20 games there, although he is probably better suited for the top 2 lines.

Actually he got most of his goals while subbing in on the 2nd line when Sammuelsson and Demitora (shudder) were injured. And a lot of his points were on the PP, too, since Burr doesn’t do much PP time. He doesn’t belong on the third line, but this also proves the point that it’s useful to have players around who can slot into offensive roles when one of your top 6 goes down.

by Beantown Canuck on Jun 28, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

oops, should have read further down before replying above. Yes, agreed Beantown

by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is true:
but this also proves the point that it’s useful to have players around who can slot into offensive roles when one of your top 6 goes down.

I am hopeful the name that fits that description this year is Hodgson.

Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.

by Jevant on Jun 28, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

As for bad contracts...

…they took Bernier’s. I know it’s not as much as Ballard’s, but it’s still a favour. I wouldn’t have minded this trade as much if Gillis got at least a pick pack, and I’m still hoping for Mitchell to return but it doesn’t look good for that.

I want to see improved skill on the third line more than a big name on defence. I really am okay with where our D started out last season (remember the “who are we going to trade” meme?) but had some horrible luck with injuries. When Sami Salo plays the third most games of any of your defence, you know you’ve got injury trouble…

One, possibly two, of the guys is coming up and onto the third line this year. Maybe Hodgson, maybe Schroeder, but it’ll have to be someone with some finish. Relying on Wellwood, Bernier, and Demitra was astoundingly frustrating. I really thought Grabner was going to be up next year and am disappointed to see him go. Replacing him (ie. adding skill to the third line) has got to be a priority.

For all I know, Oystershuck or whatever his name is is getting pencilled in for the job. I haven’t seen any numbers that really impress me that he can play a power forward role: six points in fifty games? It could be that he’s just two years of development behind, and will be a late bloomer, but…

by Thursday on Jun 28, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oystershuck or whatever his name

Thursday FTW right there.

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by Twitchy2010 on Jun 28, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Cullen?

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 28, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oreskovich

"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 28, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say Oyster for the official nickname for Oreskovich

by Beantown Canuck on Jun 28, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm down with that

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"

by Semi_Colon on Jun 28, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

YES

"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner

by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 28, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the ‘Nucks sign Nathan Oystrick, we’re gonna be hooped.

A creep from the cradle, but a hero's what I want to be

by Smoboy41 on Jun 29, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then we can call ourselves the “Green and Blue Oyster Cult”

   …anybody?

by Beantown Canuck on Jun 29, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner

by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 29, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well…as long as the fans bring the cowbells.

“We need more cowbell!”

by vancitydan on Jun 29, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

C'mon

we really need more cowbell!

"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner

by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 29, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can always use more cowbell…

Poutine & Meatballs

by cyxj on Jun 30, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pair them together...

…and call them the OreO pairing.

by Thursday on Jun 29, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's so sweet!

You do know my fetish!

Yeah, I’m panting for Cullen to be on board, but I don’t even know if Gillis is looking at forwards, or how much he’s willing to pay for them. Cullen would be an expensive pick-up, but I think he’d make that third line far more dangerous than any we’ve had before, plus he can do the centre/wing thing, has a cup, play power play of short handed… And get us closer to being a contender for Stanley’s Mug.

by Thursday on Jun 28, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cullen never seems to wanna come out west.

by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

He only signed twice, though; the other moves were trades. I don’t know what teams in the West offered when he was a free agent, but you could certainly be right.

by Thursday on Jun 28, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

His move with Ottawa makes me think that I am right. Same with Recchi. Has no desire to play out west. Fukker

by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

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