Back To Work: Getting Ready For The Draft
Hopefully there's been enough time to get that nasty taste of failure out of our collective mouths because this next week is crucial to how Mike Gillis and company adjust this team and begin the long uphill climb into 2011. Free agency starts in exactly a week, but before then we have the draft which kicks off tomorrow night in LA.
A quick note on that - I had hoped to be in LA to bring a bit closer perspective on Vancouver's moves over the weekend, but some travel issues kept me from making it. Very frustrating. So my humble apologies to the SBN crew as well as the NM community. Next year we'll get it right, I don't care if they have the damn thing on Mars.
After the jump we'll take a quick look at Vancouver's world heading into tomorrow.
Barring any trades beforehand, the Canucks have six young men to select this weekend in the following order:
- 25 (first round)
- 115 (fourth round)
- 145 (fifth round)
- 172 (sixth round)
- 175 (sixth round)
- 205 (seventh round)
Vancouver lost the second round pick to Buffalo (who has since moved it to Columbus) in the Steve Bernier deal. Their third rounder is in the hands of Carolina after picking up Andrew Alberts at the deadline in March. On the other hand, they picked up #172 in the Schneider deal with Phoenix after he cleared re-entry waivers prior to joining the Coyotes.
As MacIntyre notes in the Sun, this is the first time in Canucks history they enter a draft with no picks in the second or third round.
According to Hockey's Future, the Canucks have weaknesses on the back end (gasp!) that need to be addressed:
The Canucks have a strong corps of forward prospects but lack defensemen in the system. None of Vancouver’s defensive prospects project to be top pairing and similarly none of them are really considered a lock to become regular NHLers. Many of the defensemen in the pipeline are considered projects. Sauve and Taylor Ellington are defensive-minded but don’t bring much to the table offensively. Kevin Connauton and Jeremy Price are offensive-minded but leave something to be desired in the defensive zone. Peter Andersson has intriguing two-way upside, but his ETA for the NHL is still to be determined.
All very true and helps explain why HF - as well as NM - picked up Jarred Tinordi in mock drafts. Tinordi is a 6'6'' left-shooting defenseman from the USHL who even the canucks.com folks have their eyes on:
One of the biggest players in this year’s draft, Tinordi should probably be ranked higher than where he his. By all accounts, the North Dakota University-bound prospect has great character and leadership abilities, as shown by captaining his team to a Gold Medal at the World Under-18 Championships. Known as a solid defensive d-man, he was +8 at that tournament and wasn’t on the ice for a single goal against. His father Mark spent 12 seasons in the NHL, racking up more than 1500 penalty minutes.
Update: I missed this, but Andrews Stars Page has a good write up on him, including this from the Red Line Report 2010 Draft Guide:
Massive stay-at-home rearguard with excellent character, bloodlines, and leadership. Dependable, shutdown defender always thinks defense first and his crease coverage is among the best of this class - colossal frame and nasty disposition form an impenetrable barrier between opponents and his goalie. Readily protects teammates and will drop the gloves. Reads and reacts to plays well at the defensive end.
Of course, the pick could be moved or maybe Gillis even moves someone like Cory Schneider or the rights to SOB. With such a weak draft hand to begin with, it has to be something the boss keeps his ears open for. If he opts to be patient for the third straight draft as GM, Gillis can take comfort in there are always gems to find deeper in the draft.
If you're interested, SBN also has some damned interesting reading on where drafted players hail from as well as a historical look at each team's drafting prowess (you may want to shield your eyes on this one).
The 2011 campaign has already started. Once again we wait to see what the boss man has in mind.
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Best Available Skater
Not to be confused with best available player (I do not want a goalie).
Hopefully like last year, someone slides to us. I’d be very happy with Tinordi, but I have a feeling someone else is going to take him ahead of us.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
I agree completely. All things being equal, I would pick a D-man over a forward if I felt they were equally good prospects. But I would choose the best skater available, bar none.
by Beantown Canuck on Jun 24, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m predicting that if Tinordi and McIlrath are both gone by our pick, it gets traded away. The only forward I’m looking at that’ll even be close to our spot is Etem, but there’s no way in LA he’s still around in the mid-20’s.
I am more optimistic about our defencive prospects than HF is, but none of those guys are going to be ready for this season, and possibly the next. We can afford to swing for the fences rather than go for a “safe” pick back there.
I like the “swing for the fences” strategy. In my mind, that’s what the draft is for. Draft is for swinging for the fences, FA is for “safe” picks.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
Sundin aside...
…since when does Gillis swing for the fences? I’d love to see it, just doesn’t seem to be his MO.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 24, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he’s learning now that he has to hit it over the fence. It’s time to contend for that Cup
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep, got to go now before the window closes
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Definitely
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 24, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Is Tinordi ranked that high? He was 25th last time I checked. Guess ya never know.
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Tinordi
Everyone has been talking about him alot in the last couple weeks, which generally means one team will jump higher than they should and take him. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go 17-22 range.
But that just means someone else will slide, and by all accounts Gillis is good at drafting sliders. I DO like how Gillis has been drafting who he considers to be BPA.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
I think
he’s always swinging for the fences, problem is he too scared to break a bat so he does so with toothpicks in his hands…
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
hehe, we need a photoshop of this
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 24, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
wiffle bats..wtf, somebody link me a wiffle bat image of choice and I’ll whip up that photoshop
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 24, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade
Send Schneider + Bernier (or S.O.B.) to Florida for Keith Ballard and then grab the American goalie in the draft.
Thanks to Dan Cloutier and brisk over-reaction to his suckage, we have something like 423 goalies in our system. Do we really need another one?
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by Twitchy2010 on Jun 24, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Fucking Clouts
Killing this team while not even on the roster.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 24, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade?
I understand trading Bernier, but why trade SOB? He’s not one of the top defensemen on the Canucks, but we need depth in addition to picking up a top D man.
I think it's easier
to bring in a younger player to fill SOB’s 5-6 spot so that’s why I’d more him. Plus you gotta think Florida might want SOB to fill their empty defender slot at a cheaper price.
plus SOB is an SOB. He’s the kind of guy that if your in management you’re looking for a reason to fire him because he doesn’t conform
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah SOB pisses me off too, but I thought he made some huge strides this year. Cutting him loose when we are hurting in that position could be a mistake.
Any chance AA adjusts to Western conference skating, and develops into a more dependable, solid player?
One can only hope.
by Vancouverguy on Jun 24, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Yes, there is a very good chance.
I am looking forward to AA proving a lot of people wrong.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
yes
The American goalie is by far the best goalie prospect in a few years and should we ever have a DiPietro moment we need to have quality in the system on the cheap
We need a solid Dman that can play now
Florida wants a little more cap room and with all the solid Dmen in the draft there is a very good chance Campbell will be around. Allows us to trade our excellent goalie prospect for another and get a Dman that plays this year in our top 4 for a reasonable 4.2 mill for 4 years
You mentioned...
…the chances for a “DiPietro” situation just now? That’s how Long Island got DiPietro in the first place; trading away their prospect (Luongo) because they could get another in the draft (DiPietro).
Schneider has played against a higher level of competition than Campbell has and is all of 24 years old. If Campbell doesn’t pan out, Vancouver’s lost a huge, proven asset.
That being said, Ballard is a fine player to have; but we could get Hamhuis for the same cost without losing Schneider. Or for that matter, Mitchell could come back for even less (I’d like him to retire for his own sake, but if he’s going to play, it should be with the Canucks).
I think the bet’s too high for the return. Of course, if Campbell turns into another Miller, whoever didn’t pick him will be looking like a jackass, won’t they? 8)
My favourite targets this draft are Tinordi, McIlrath, and Etem.
I mention it due to contract size and length - DiPietro injury situation not the youth trade situation
Given the cap and the term of contract I think it has to be a key goal from management that the Canucks always have a top goalie prospect within the ranks. Lui could go down with a long term injury and then we would be hamstrung like NYI. Schneider is a blue chip that needs to be traded soon. So when that happens having a near equal goalie prospect is super important. With Campbell you can buy another 2 – 3 years of in the system development before he starts pushing for a job. Given the glut of goalies on the market this year finding another cheap Razor while using Schneider to leverage a defender off another team is a possibility that should be explored.
Other teams will be interested in Schneider over some of the exiting free agent talent as he’s young and his contract is cheap
BTW
Welcome, Vokail and any other Nuckleheads that have joined recently! Seeing a lot of new members here.
Do the Moose even have a replacement for Schneider yet? I haven’t checked.
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
Well I’ve been reading for at least a year so I hardly feel new – but I figured i should stop lurking
people lurking then joining is usually the case :)
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I lurked at Waiting for Stanley for over a year… did you feel me creeping on you, Zan?
by Beantown Canuck on Jun 24, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
i lurked at Yankee’s website for a few months, then here for a couple more.
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the hairs on the back of my neck were standing on end…you BASTARD!
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I've regressed
I’m an almost full time lurker now. Hopefully that changes in time.
by Bobby Canuck on Jun 25, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
But -
That’s assuming that Campbell pans out and that a long-term injury will happen to Luongo and that the theoretical injury is 2-3 years away, when (if) Campbell is ready to go.
Plus: is Schneider worth more now, or after he’s had some more NHL experience? As you note, there is a glut of goalies on the market: how much of a premium are teams willing to pay?
Florida has Markstrom coming up in their system, and with Vokoun already there and Clemmensen cheap (and there for two more years), I don’t see them being prime trading partners. Unless we can catch them in a “change for the sake of change” mood, they won’t give up much.
We’ve got an okay defence. The skilled youth is still a couple years off, and I’d like another NHL-ready guy; but I’m not willing to see Schneider go for that price.
I see your point, and would understand Gillis doing just that; but I don’t agree with it.
Well you are right
I am picking a player on a team that they could say no. There aren’t too many top4 Dmen available on teams. I just figured after the Horton shake up they could still be “in the mood” and they have a Dman that works for our needs
Canucks’ Bernier and 3rd rounder for Volchenkovs’ rights? i doubt it, but thats what im hearing…
Via Hockey Insider. May I ask what third round pick?
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You may.
I think the Insider needs to take a step back!
Still not fond of trading for rights. Sure, it worked really well for Calgary getting Bouwmeester, but… Oh, wait.
by Thursday on Jun 24, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey !
This Flames fun is rushing to the defense of his General Manager’s vision.
Oh, wait…… Can’t defend the indefensible can I ?
Carry on Thursday – nice dig.
by PrairieStew on Jun 24, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
hahaha
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Flames fun? I believe that is what we call an oxymoron.
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That was deserving of a “rec” if it counted for anything.
by Vancouverguy on Jun 24, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting...
I’d give up Bernier and a 7th for Volchenkov’s rights!!
Then we don’t bother signing Volchenkov, and we’ve gotten rid of Bernier and it only cost us a 7th round pick!
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
We still use “oh snap” round these parts. Maybe that’s because it’s just stuck since youth…
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
some kids just walked by my house and I heard the girl say “Oh Snap” so…
And you know..Fergie used it in her clean London Bridges version, and Fergie is still cool, right?
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
/awkward collar pull
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Just saw this on the TSN Draft Countdown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CdJTfGiRCI
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 24, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Fergie...
She’s that whorey meth using teen role-model that looks like a meth using prostitute, right?
no, pretty sure you’re thinking of miley cyrus.
fergie’s the chick from black eyed peas.
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oh no
There’s my single guy voice talking to me now.
“Dude why you gotta be a hater? Let a girl do her thing”
that guy and I get into such discussions at times
i don’t pay attention to celebrity news. i hate miley though.
and besides, stevenux asked if it was the teen role-model, and that one is miley.
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Man I saw the Blacked Eyed Peas by accident when they opened for U2 at BC Place. They were astoundingly awful. Who the hell thought that an audience that likes U2 would want to hear that? Do these concert planners have no concept of demographics at all?
Also, BC Place is the the death dome of acoustics. Tragic.
by Beantown Canuck on Jun 24, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Fucking hell
That would be awesome.
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"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 24, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
May as well add this
Gillis talked about the draft today. Take from it what you will.
http://canucks.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=6&id=72880&cmpid=canucks-twt-vancanucks
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Is Gillis going to trade a Schneider or SOB at the draft? I just don’t see it anymore. I don’t think Oberg, Connauton are even all that far off. You know Gillis is banking on one of our young D prospects to make the jump to the NHL
I don’t think either are likely ready to be what we need at any point this season. Filler parts at best.
by Beantown Canuck on Jun 24, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
How much does Toronto hate us?
Would they give us Kaberle for SOB and Bieksa ? that’s a good trade right?
truculence! :/
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 24, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
PLAYOFFS!!!!!11!!!!!ONE!!1!!
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"One time I was invited to come to a social gathering. I was paid a handsome amount of money, and I brought a shotgun and a bottle of Tanqueray and showed those people the best f***ing time they’ve ever seen." - Kenny Powers
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 24, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
DION SMASH
DION WANT HOCKEY!!
DION CAPTAIN!!
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 24, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
BotchonCanucks
The Canucks have given Kirill Kabanov story a long look
Wow, talk about swinging for the fences.
Because Russians have such a fruitful track record in Vancouver…
…wait, Artem Chubarov was the first player in the NHL to start his career with four consecutive game winning goals.
Nevermind, the door’s open Kirill!
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 24, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Kesler lite, with less skill, and talent…..
by Vancouverguy on Jun 24, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
great on the PK Chubarov was. Chubarov/Arvedsson. Good times!
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
First Canucks game I went to
Arvedsson, Nazzy, Bert and Chubie score.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 24, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah it was awesome
Bert scored on a breakaway coming out of the box, against Chicago with Craig Anderson in net. He didn’t see the puck until the very last second then managed only to lift the puck into Andy’s pads. There was a moment of silence as the puck was stuck in his pads, then the puck rolled out and into the net, and everyone in GM Place completely lost their shit. I went nuts myself. Screamed until my voice was hoarse. To this day probably the second best Canucks game Ive ever been to, besides the one this past season where Burr, my favourite player, got a hattie. Fuck yeah.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 24, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Winner winner chicken dinner
I would love to see another Russian in the ranks…
While we are at it where is Kirill Koltsov and if we could lure him over we’d solve some of our D issues.
I said “some”
BMo would like to come back if possible.
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He contributed well as a bottom six guy last year. If he comes cheap and doesn’t mind a reduced role, I’d be fine with it, especially if he can mentor some of the younger guys.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 24, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions

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