Canucks Resign RFA Goalie Cory Schneider
by Yankee Canuck on Jun 2, 2010 10:21 AM PDT
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"It's a different role than I've been used to playing, I've never really had the backup job," he said. "But any time you get a chance to play in the NHL, especially behind a guy like that, it's an excellent opportunity and I'm going to make the most of it.
“I want to be just as good as Roberto is when I go in for him so we maintain that level in goal. It's a challenge, but part of being pro and you've got to start somewhere before hopefully moving on from that role at some point."
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From Matt Sekeres on the Twitter:
Canucks re-sign G Cory Schneider, Roberto Luongo's expected backup in 2010-11. Top prospects had played 10 NHL games over two seasons.
Mirtle and TC Carling confirmed and canucks.com just posted their release as well.
We'll post more on the contract details when they filter in later. Make that five signings in the past seven days for Mr. Gillis.
We just looked at the goalies yesterday; re-signing Schenider is the definition of a no-brainer. Now does he become Luongo's true back-up or will he be moved?
*Update* It's a 2-year extension at $900,000 per year, tweets Bob McKenzie, and it's a 1-way deal. Say goodbye to Manitoba, Cory. (h/t missy)
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I’m curious: can you trade a RFA at his age/NHL experience shortly after signing him? I don’t know off the top of my head.
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I’m pretty sure age/experience is not a relevant factor when it comes to trading players. As far as I understand, any player’s rights can always be traded unless it is during select periods of time when movement is not allowed (e.g. christmas or after the trading deadline), or if the team makes an agreement with that player limiting the ability to move that player.
by Beantown Canuck on Jun 2, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
That sounds right
I think I was juggling two many thoughts at once when I hit post. I still think he’ll get traded at the end of it all.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 2, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I think age/experience matters in the CHL. Don’t know much about the transfer rules there.
by Beantown Canuck on Jun 2, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
There are other situations where a trade is not allowed. I am pretty sure that once a team matches an offer sheet, he is not allowed to trade the player in the first season of the contract. Also, I believe a team cannot trade a player when an arbitration hearing is pending. I am not sure whether the team is allowed to trade a player if they accept the arbitrator’s decision once the hearing is over.
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I think it’s almost 100% certain that he’ll be Luongo’s backup next year. I would be floored if he’s dealt at this point. In fact, I would hazard a guess that he’ll get the required number of games (remember how he has to get a certain number…20ish??) to allow them to keep him as an RFA, and then try to deal him after he’s established some NHL value (hopefully, anyways).
Eases the workload on Luongo (which is a must for me) and allows him to stay fresher and focused.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
As an aside
Is it just me, or is the Manitoba jersey one of the best jerseys in hockey? I absolutely love it.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
Yes
I like. Minnesota should have jerseys like that.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 2, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Any indication of if this was just a one year deal or longer?
by Beantown Canuck on Jun 2, 2010 10:35 AM PDT reply actions
canucks press release won’t say anything. just checked capgeek, they have nothing yet.
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and just as i leave the house rushing for the bus, they announce the signing.
i find that the canucks make big press releases right on the half-hours.
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and just as i say that, yankee posts about a press release made at 10:15…..
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Seriously, they’re messing with my morning at this rate.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 2, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
i usually find there’s a consistency for timing at which they post press releases. 9:30, 10:00, 10:30, 11:00, etc…
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I like Schneider as a Lu Backup
for two reasons:
1) Gives him a chance to establish himself in the NHL
2) Solves the problem of having Lu start too many games
It works out perfectly
Unless he bombs
isn’t good enough and Luongo has to play more AND CS’s trade value plummets. That’s the risk you take by having an unproven guy try to back up. One of the hardest things to do mentally in sports is be a backup goalie.
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by Section 312 on Jun 2, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Well you’re right, but there’s a risk that any decision will blow up in your face.
by Beantown Canuck on Jun 2, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, like signing Mathieu Schneider.
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No, no, no!
The thought of this Schneider signing working out like the last Schneider signing makes me have a mild heart attack.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
i know, i know, i was just giving an example of how
there’s a risk that any decision will blow up in your face.
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It could blow up in our face and it could not. Signing Raycroft could have also blown up in our face but it didn’t.
Schneider is 24 and has been consistently one of the best goalies in the minors. There is a chance that it won’t translate up to the NHL level, but the whole reason we left him in the minors so long was so we didn’t throw him into the fire before he was ready.
I think we let Schneider prove himself. If he does well, he gives Luongo some needed rest. If he sucks, we play Lu every game and sign a cheap backup like we did last year.
Give Luongo needed rest? They could have done that while Rayzor was playing here but they didn’t. The team played so well in front of Rayzor too. No, our #1 goalie is going to want all the playing time and he is going to get it…why? Because he gets what he wants.
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 2, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
They should have given him more rest while Rayzor was here. Every year he plays great in the regular season and gets exhausted in the post-season.
I don’t care if Lu wants to play every game of the season and never get pulled. If it means the Canucks perform better in the post-season by lowering his number of regular season starts, they should execute that plan.
We should also rest Kesler and the rest of the PK
Because they are a huge reason Lou’s .930 ES% went to the tubes in the playoffs…
Agreed there is risk
I just think it’s less risky to move him at the draft for proven help on the back end.
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by Section 312 on Jun 2, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
just saw someone retweet this:
andystrickland
Vancouver signs G Schneider to a 2 yr extension at slightly less than 1 million per season. #NHL #Canucks
not sure about accuracy. i did check the profile, though, it’s a radio host and NHL writer from St. Louis.
take it as you will.
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confirmed
TSNBobMcKenzie
Cory Schneider’s deal is two years at $900K per year
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The ginger
will be backing up Lu. Trade him at the deadline for Jonathan Toews.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 2, 2010 11:53 AM PDT reply actions
2 years at 900K
makes him very attractive now as trade bait. Teams are going to love that contract. And they will want to get him now so they have two years before they have to decide what to do with him. If he is their starter of the future or not.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Jun 2, 2010 12:33 PM PDT reply actions
I can’t help, but think that in the back of the management’s mind is the possibility that Luongo could turn out to be another C. Huet, in which case Schneider would be another Niemi. Not likely, but just in case. Especially after the alarming trend last season (being pulled eight times).
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This is my thinking. I see the same kind of deal going on here as happened in Boston.
What if Luongo craps the bed the next season (as his current trend is downward)? What happens if Cory outplays lu 2 years from now, as Rask outplayed Thomas last year?
I really believe that Cory is there to take the spot of Luongo, IF NEED BE.
Just sayin, may as well have a backup plan in place.
That's a bad comparison though
because Luongo has a much better and longer track record than Thomas does. Regular season wise.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Jun 2, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I would love it
though if CS turns out to be as good as Rask.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Jun 2, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
…only if we keep it, otherwise I’d absolutely hate it :)
by Beantown Canuck on Jun 2, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
And we trade for Zdeno chara...
And Patrice Bergeron, and hire Claude Julien and stop scoring goals to focus on low scoring games. That would be an awesome scenario to throw lou under a bus…
I am not sure I get what you are saying here
isn’t that the scenario that made Tim Thomas a Vezina finalist last year? Yet this year he sucked cause he played to his actual talent level? What does that have to do with Luongo?
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Jun 3, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
hello old/recent debating friend
to sum up the above posts…i can’t see mr gillis signing cory just to trade him before the season starts (as a blogger above had asked/implied)…i believe mr gillis has come to realise that luongo could POSSIBLY-POSSIBLY be on a permanent slide to mediocrity…and with what these unsung playoff goalies have accomplished this year…i think any GM who owned cory and luongo would do the exact same thing…i know you luv luongo (can’t help bad luck)…but i believe that this morning (i’m in sydney australia) that my smile is somewhat broader
Mediocrity is above league average?
And winning a gold medal?
His stats dropped when our best defensemen went down. See how niemi and leighton do sans pronger and timmonen and keith and campbell.
He’s big, positionally sound and still in his prime. One bad season, by his standards btw, not the league average, does not a bad goalie make.
Also, his ES % is only .004 lower than Ryan “Vezina” Millers. It’s the PK #‘s that kill Lou’s %.
PK
was disgustingly bad.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 2, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Uh...
What if Luongo craps the bed the next season (as his current trend is downward)?
Lou’s % last 5 years:
.914 (panthers)
.921
.917
.920
.913
Where is the downward trend? The 3 “poor” but above league average seasons are on teams with shoestring defenses. When our d core is healthy, Lou does well. He will bounce back.
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