Monday Morning Coffee- Feels Like I've Been Here Before...
Entrenched in the heart of Gangland, the Canucks look to take a 2-0 lead over the Chicago Blackhawks in their Western Conference Semifinals match tonight. We know the pushback from the Hawks is coming, the real question is whether the Canucks are going to be able to match their intensity, stay focused on the game plan, and if the game degenerates into shenanigans, not let the Hawks dictate it too much. Does this feel familar? It should. We were in the same situation a year ago.
A lot of people were shocked by what they saw out of the Chicago Blackhawks Saturday night, but a look at the stats of this team shows you that since the NHL resumed play after the Olympics, they're 1 game over .500. Pretty average for a team that many had penciled in all season as a Cup favorite. Sure, they suffered some injuries, the only notable one being Brian Campbell. They turned things around in the start of April with 5 wins before losing the last game of the season to Detroit.
Is there something wrong with this Blackhawks team? They've struggled to score goals in the post season, their game 5 win over the Preds was an anomaly, and it was as much a complete breakdown by Nashville combined with lucky bounces and a gentle nudge from the officials. A perfect storm, if you will. I'm not saying the Blackhawks are going to get their asses handed to them. I am saying it's been a while since we've seen that dominant Hawks team. If they don't make an appearance tonight, they're in big trouble.
Another question for tonight is do the Canucks make any changes lineup wise? Aaron Rome is reportedly ready to return, but after another solid game from Andrew Alberts, do you give Rome another night to heal and not mess with the chemistry? Same can be said for Ryan Johnson. He's nearing return as well, does someone come out so the PK specialist can return to the lineup? We will wait and see. It's going to be a hell of a game, that's for sure.
Chicago has already stated there will be no change in goal tonight. Antti Niemi had a couple strong bounceback games after giving up 4 goals in a couple losses to the Predators. That being said, the offensive firepower of the Preds doesn't hold a candle to the Canucks, and with all 4 lines clicking, I expect the Hawks to try and match the Canucks tonight and try to engage them in a run & gun kind of match, along with a little more nastiness than we saw in Game 1. Is it going to be over the top? I wonder, as Coach Joel Quenneville was already concerned about giving the Canucks opportunities by going out of their way to make a hit, taking themselves out of the play as a result.
What I think you will see is a number of Hawks players looking for that perfect shot though. That Willie Mitchell moment. A huge hit could be a momentum changer in this series, and they desperately need it to get themselves and their fans back in this series. For the Canucks, playing their game but being conscious of Chicago's desire to mix it up is key, and continuing to get shots on the net is as well. Niemi's rebound control was like Sarah Palin's logic: somewhere between scattered and non-existent.
I tried to tell them
The outrage on the Twitter machine last night over the officiating in the Detroit / San Jose game was a little comical, but ultimately frustrating. A lot of what was said saw Canucks fans branded with the tin foil hat of shame. We have been saying all along, it's competence and consistency that we want. There's no conspiracy with the officials. They're just bloody awful right now, and you have to wonder the logic of them contacting Roberto Luongo about diving when you saw the embarrassingly bad performance from Evgeni Nabokov last night. That makes the game look bad, and the refs should have realized after the first time that he did it that he was trying to draw calls. Both teams were guilty of it, and both teams should have been penalized for it, and not rewarded. I know the game is fast, and even faster at ice level. But is it wrong to expect the officials to get a call right even a few times a game?
That being said, I don't know what was more surprising, the fact that the Sharks are headed to Detroit with a 2-0 series lead, or that the winning goal last night came from Joe Thornton. Just like it's a little early to declare the Sharks playoff woes over, it's also too soon to say No-Show Joe has arrived. It is going to be an interesting night Tuesday at the JLA though, as the Wings try to salvage the series.
A lousy game 1 for Jaroslav Halak had some predicting an easy run for the Penguins. But a plucky and banged up Canadiens squad withstood the Penguins' onslaught, frustrated the hell outta Sidney Crosby and walked out of Pittsburgh with the split. Every goal that Mike Cammalleri scores should be added to the highlight reel of Flames' GM Daryl Sutter's case to have his ass fired. You seriously let this guy walk to keep Olli Jokinen? You're reaping what you sow, in this instance. The fields will be barren for years to come in Calgary. Anyways, this Montreal / Pittsburgh has a whole new feel to it now, and while I am still not sure they can pull off another upset, we've all seen what a hot goalie can do for you in the playoffs. Now if they could just shut down Matt Cooke...
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Another question for tonight is do the Canucks make any changes lineup wise?
Very simple answer. Assuming everyone is healthy, absolutely no. You don’t mess with things after a performance like Saturday’s. Romer and Balls would completely understand.
agreed
plus, chicago will be shaking up their stuff anyways, so it’ll be better to see what they show up with tonight, then make any necessary changes for wednesday if need be.
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Gotta disagree, I think
If it’s Rypien or Johnson, assuming Johnson is healthy, I think I prefer Johnson out there for those 7 minutes currently occupied by Rypien (and I’m sure Rypien only played 7 minutes because of the big lead). It also helps with the PK, and means you can rest Hank so he doesn’t have to take those faceoffs.
I prefer to win tonight, and don’t want to react with a change on Wednesday. Johnson > Rypien in my books, so put him in. Johnson provides PK and defensive help.
If this was a 2nd line forward or top 4 d, we wouldn’t be having this conversation, I don’t think.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
Rypien deserves to be rewarded for the nice rush and perfect pass on the Grabby goal. Plus he was involved in another odd-man rush. He played well in those 7 minutes.
by Beantown Canuck on May 3, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
stay the course
leave things as they are until a loss, or Chicago show you something in game that forces you to reconsider. I am not scared of them putting Burish, Eager or Frasor in there. So long as the Canucks focus on doing their jobs and not being drawn into sucker arguments with these punks, they will let the scoreboard do the talking for them.
My comment was more a reflection on what Johnson would bring to the team, rather than an indictment, per se, of Rypien. I love Rypien, I just don’t think that he should be in the lineup at the cost of one of our best PK forwards.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
Gotta agree with you, we need our PK to be good (not average) to have a chance in the series. Gotta go RJ.
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by My Landed Immigrant status just expired! on May 3, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with Jevant’s disagreement: get RJ in there – he is critical to keeping the PK rolling. However, sadly, I have to say that Grabner draws out. Yeah he had a goal last game, but we’re not really counting on our 4th line for offense and if Grabner doesn’t play a top-6, or at least top-9, role I don’t think he should be in the lineup when everyone is healthy. Nothing against Grabs, but I just feel like Johnson would be far more useful in the lineup.
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by nucksandpucks on May 3, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Well another point of a fourth line is to have players who can take on minutes available should a player in line 1-3 get kicked out, injured, suck, etc. So Grabner is useful as a potential offensively-minded replacement.
by Beantown Canuck on May 3, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be taking Grabner out. No way. That speed on line four is another great dimension to the team. And I think Rypien played really well too. I’d let balls sit. Can’t believe I’m saying that. Don’t fuck with a winning recipe.
by Sean Zandberg on May 3, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed. There is absolutely no reason to do anything, before there is a clear reason for a change.
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On the flip side though...
…if we lose 3-2 in OT tonight despite badly outplaying them (and sit a healthy Johnson), is there any question he wouldn’t be back in there?
If the answer to that question is “of course he’d go in”, I don’t know why they wouldn’t go that route preemptively if they think that Johnson would give them a better chance of winning.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
bq. if we lose 3-2 in OT tonight despite badly outplaying them (and sit a healthy Johnson), is there any question he wouldn’t be back in there?
Definitely, if the above happens.
But what if the roster from the last game happens to be a winning mix, that Chcago cannot handle?
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To be fair, I can see your point.
I’ve just rarely understood the “winning mix” argument. Unless the difference between Rypien and Johnson is negligible, then I can go along with that. I tend to see it differently, however.
I just think that Johnson brings a particular skill set to the team that is valuable, and right now, I prefer that skill set to what Rypien brings.
Matter of preference, and I do admit that it would not be a conventional move. But sometimes the preemptive move makes more sense than the reactive move.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
I agree with Jevant
there is no room for superstition. And that’s what the whole “don’t change a winning formula” thins is. Superstition. You put the best team on the ice that you can to try to win the game. And RJ’s PK ability not to mention his face off skills and skating make him a better option than Rypien. Put RJ with Grabs and Hansen and you have a 4th line that even the speedy Hawks would have a hard time keeping up with.
And let’s be honest. The face off battle will be huge in this series. The Nucks had a better percentage coming into the series than the Hawks and that needs to continue. We have to make it as hard as possible for Chicago to get their puck possession game going.
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by Section 312 on May 3, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Did we just agree?
I’m checking outside my window to make sure the sky isn’t falling…:)
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you make good points. but there is a diff between chemistry and superstition
by Sean Zandberg on May 3, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Chemistry
is the most over rated and over used word in sports. Chemistry comes from winning. And to be honest, I don’t really care about having Chemistry on my 4th line. I care about having a PK expert and a face off guy.
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by Section 312 on May 3, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
chemistry comes from winning..and that’s exactly what we’re doing. I think you like Balls too much
by Sean Zandberg on May 3, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The choice between Balls and Ripper is a tough one as they are both 4th line centres. Balls has an excellent PK/shotblocking, but with Hordichuck and Glass out of the lineup, does having Ripper’s fight finishing ability in the lineup give us that intimidation edge?
as much as Rypien kicks ass and goes balls to the wall every shift, I don’t think he intimidates anybody.
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by My Landed Immigrant status just expired! on May 3, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
In the playoffs
the last thing you need is a fighter. Bieksa, Bernier, SOB are all guys who can take care of anything that might arise that needs to be taken care of.
And Sean, how dangerous do the Hawks look when they have the puck set up in the offensive zone and the Canucks can’t seem to get the puck back from them? RJ’s face off ability will help limit the amount of times that happens in a game. He is worth a lineup spot for that alone.
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by Section 312 on May 3, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I have to agree with Section on this one.
I wish we could just dress Rypper and throw him in if the shit starts hitting the fan.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 3, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha yeah. I’m just concerned about messing with a winning thing to slot in a semi injured 4th liner.
I’m a huge fan of Balls (don’t misquote me please), but Rypper looked great last game and provided some depth on offense.
Our PK was flawless 5on4 as well.
Obviously the coaching staff knows the players the best and will make the right call.
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am I missing something? The Sharks and Nucks are in the top 3 for face off percentage and both teams have leads in their second round series. Doesn’t that show that winning face offs is important?
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by Section 312 on May 3, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Small sample size...and...
…well, Section just posted what I was going to say, so I’ll just say, yeah, I’d much prefer to start with the puck than not.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
I’ve been watching faceoff stats all year and they are overrated!
It sure helped the Caps didn’t it? They still hold the best FO% in the playoffs. Now they be golfing
by Sean Zandberg on May 3, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Well face offs
obviously doesn’t lead directly to wins. No one is saying it does. But look at the shots on goal stat. Having the pick is better than not having it and leads to shots on goal and scoring chances. The reason the Caps are out is cause they didn’t finish their chances against Halak. But if the Canucks can keep the puck more than the Hawks they stand a very good chance of winning the series.
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by Section 312 on May 3, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you like Balls too much
Rec’d because you were all thinking it…
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Section, you are making good points though. I’m mulling over them
by Sean Zandberg on May 3, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay...
…How about “speed”. We were simply faster than the Hawks in Game one, and Rypien is flat-out faster with and without the puck than Johnston is.
And if you want to play hypotheticals, then what would you do if Johnson is in for Rypien, plays four minutes and gets injured? Suppose the two extra days of rest would be enough for him to heal instead of just be “good enough to skate”? Or what if Chicago gets three power play goals with him in?
Go with what’s working. The rest of the team should see players who are doing well getting rewarded: that sends as clear a message to the dressing room as you want. Get results, get ice.
That's just flat wrong
RJ is one of the faster Canuck skaters. Sorry but RJ is right up there in the Kesler speed bracket.
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by Section 312 on May 3, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe when he’s got both feet, but that ain’t often! 8) Clearly, I haven’t seen them play at the same time enough.
Let him heal completely before putting him in. Biggest problem with RJ is that he ignores pain really well – and is a piss-poor judge of when he should return to the ice. Have the medical staff cleared him yet, or is it just Johnson getting twitchy to return?
To me it doesn't matter
if he is fully healthy or not. If he is participating in practice and looking good and not being left behind then play him. His skill set is more conducive to winning than Rypien’s.
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by Section 312 on May 3, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough
I just don’t think we need a defencive specialist yet. I think Rypien has more offensive skill than Johnson does (though that’s damning with faint praise!) and that he did well enough to stay in the line up.
My biggest fear with Rypien is keeping his temper in check. If there’s no need for fisticuffs, don’t look for it. If, however, there is rough stuff going down and the level of erratic reffing we’ve seen so far these playoffs…
you haven’t seen RJ’s corsi rating have you?
by Sean Zandberg on May 3, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't be like that
Sean. We all know that Corsi thing is flawed at best.
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by Section 312 on May 3, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Just messing with you. I’d like to see Johnson’s 5-on-5 numbers though. Sure, he blocks a lot of shots, he wins some draws. Is he good at anything else?
by Sean Zandberg on May 3, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Being tough as nails?
Skating very quickly?
Flying into the boards so hard that you think he is dead but then he pops up and is OK?
To be honest I am OK with a short bench. I don’t like 4th liners getting a tonne of ice time. So a PK specialist who wins draws but doesn’t do much else? That’s perfect for my 4th line. Some people prefer to roll 4 lines. I prefer to get the Sedins out there more often.
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by Section 312 on May 3, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
especially when the Hawks are dressing goons like tonight
by Sean Zandberg on May 3, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Let them goon
it up. I’ll take some PP. No matter how many goons both teams dress fights in the playoffs are as rare as a Sutter smiling.
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by Section 312 on May 3, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Which Joe Stirs the Sharks Drink?
I don’t know what was more surprising, the fact that the Sharks are headed to Detroit with a 2-0 series lead, or that the winning goal last night came from Joe Thornton
.
Thornton was in the right place at the right time, care of a broken stick by Lidstrom. (Speaking of broken sticks, how many of those have come at key moments this post-season? Last game, I almost ripped out my hair when Salo and Ehrhoff snapped their blades on consecutive rushes, but I digress.) It is really Pavelski that is making things happen for the Sharks this post-season. Thornton is a passenger – just look at his line:
Thornton – 23:11 played, 1G, 6 SOG (that’s gotta be a scoring error) and even
Pavelski – 22:44 played, 2G 1A 11 SOG, and +1
I don’t think WAACH was advocating Thorton’s importance, but rather how much of a surprise it was that Thorton actually manged to do something productive.
Pretty simply put, it isn’t even close, Pavelski’s been a LOT better than Joe Thorton during these playoffs, even with the expectation that Thorton will disappear once the playoffs start. (which is exactly what happened).
exactly. I mean, who didn’t look out the window to see if the world was coming to an end when Thornton scored?
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One of these days, it’s going to be game 7 overtime in the Cup Finals and some jackass is going to break his stick at a really bad time and it’s going to cost somebody. Maybe then they’ll learn
by Sean Zandberg on May 3, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Thornton
He’ll get better as the playoffs progress, based on the opposing teams spreading out their defense matchup aginst both the two lines… not disagreeing though that Pavelski’s the one leading the charge though. Marleau’s from my hometown, so would love to see a Sharks-Canucks West Final…
Watched the entire Sharks-Wings game last night and the reffing was terrible. It was bad for both sides though and in the end the better team won but it was probably the worst game for refereeing thus far in the playoffs.
I thought the first Hawks-Nucks game’s reffing was pretty brutal also, although it didn’t affect the outcome at all so it went by mostly unnoticed. That Edler ‘boarding’ call that led to the 5 on 3 is still baffling. Would love to see some consistency game in and out there, and a little bit more of a ‘let them play’ especially late in close games in the playoffs.
I’m fairly certain Edler’s call was a “5-0 lead” call. Which is ridiculous, but happens all the time regardless.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
Agreed. That was a “we want to make the fans a little happy, so you’ll have to eat this, Luongo” call.
by Beantown Canuck on May 3, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
interesting....
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Hawks roll same lines. Canucks still to skate. But don’t be surprised if Canucks bump Grabner up to their third line, Demitra to fourth
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That’s a shame. I wanted Eager in to dilute their talent pool. Suggests they know how badly they fucked up game one and will start stronger as a result.
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by Yankee Canuck on May 3, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
other than a change to add some toughness this isn’t much of a surprise. they think they lost the game solely because they didn’t play well and it wasn’t because the Canucks played a nearly flawless road game.
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Bearing in mind:
I don’t think we can count on another Kane open-net whiff this game: he connects, it’s 1-0 the other way right early. Keeping our cool is going to be big, big, big this game.
As nice as it is getting goals from all over was, the fourth line/third pair doesn’t get that ice time again in a closer game: they don’t play opponents who are pressing for goals and giving up odd-man chances, either.
If Chicago does add toughness (oh, please do it, Quinnie!) then Vancouver should respond with… nothing. We’re a fast team, and frankly the ‘Hawks just didn’t keep up. We can do that again.
Hawks game plan for tonight?
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Burish on how to get Luongo out of a groove: “Maybe it’s running him sometimes.”
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What the fuck is anyone asking him? We got some Hordichuk quotes coming next? You clowns are sitting in the press box for a reason.
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by Yankee Canuck on May 3, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah when you’re the guy in charge of popcorn, you have a lot of time to talk with reporters
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@DLozoNHL The talk is Byfuglien will move back to the blue line tonight, but he’s skating with the forwards this morning.
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Fatass Byfulupagus on the back end defending against our forwards? Even Wellwood could blow past him (to be fair, it’s gravity assisted… but that’s not the point)
if this happens, who goes in up front? the bald douchebag or the hairy one?
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Byfulupagus
that is fucking classic! I love it!
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Adam Burish is set to check back into Chicago lineup: “I want them to say ‘I hate that guy. He’s a punk, he’s a jerk.’” http://bit.ly/axWQbV
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Both Kane and Quenneville implied that they simply forgot to switch the ON button during the last game. That’s because, according to Kane, they thought that this series will be easier than the Naswhille one.
I say, in that case, there is no problem for the Hawks. Just find the button, use your thumb to switch it on before the game starts, and all is well again.
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Not saying you are Attila
but I do think too much is being made of that quote from Kane. I do think the Hawks will be much much better tonight and the Canucks are going to have to be as good as they were in game 1 and maybe even better. The key for me is to keep it close or tied for as long as possible. The Hawks know they can’t lose tonight. I don’t have the stats in front of me but for a team to come back after losing the first two games of a series at home has got to be very rare. And since Cloutier isn’t around to let in goals from center the Hawks know they need to win tonight. The longer the game is in doubt for the Hawks the edgier the crowd is going to get, the more pressure the Hawks will put on themselves to score and then who knows what happens.
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by Section 312 on May 3, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
What’s strange about the above statements is that it looked like the ON button was working during the first period, when they were the more dominant team. Then, mysteriously, the button was OFF during the second and third…..they must have thought that they worked too hard during the first, and they could win with much less efford. Or, maybe something completely different happened, and the Canucks have found their own ON button during the second, and once they switched to the right position, they just blew the Hawks away.
It’s really confusing, this ON/OFF business.
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What’s strange about the above statements is that it looked like the ON button was working during the first period, when they were the more dominant team.
You know it. Hence, Kane’s statement was not true.
by Sean Zandberg on May 3, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
That they didn’t play well, or that they thought the series was going to be easy?
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He didn't say the series was going to be easy
he was asked why they were so badly outplayed and he answered that maybe they were thinking it would be easy when it wasn’t going to be. There is a difference there and I really think people are making too much of that quote.
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by Section 312 on May 3, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s not the way it reads: "There’s really no excuse for it. Maybe we came in and thought it was going to be an easier series which obviously it isn’t."
Quenneville also alluded to this in his post game comments. I know you like to play devil’s advocate, but this has the Hawks MO all over it
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It reads
as a guy saying there is no excuse for how the Hawks played. Which there isn’t. He then says that maybe they came in over confident thinking it would be easy even though it won’t be. This quote is as innocuous as Burrows talking about Detroit. It’s a nothing quote that people are making too big of a deal about because they don’t like Kane. It’s the shit we complain about other fans doing to our team and now we are doing it too.
He doesn’t say he thinks it’s going to be an easy series. The “obviously it isn’t” part should tell you that. He basically said they were over confident and maybe taking the Canucks lightly, and I stress the word MAYBE, but he doesn’t say anything disrespectful to the Canucks. Quenville was trying to smooth things over. I doubt that’s what he really thinks. He just didn’t want to fan the flames.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 3, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
now we are doing it too
It’s a nothing quote that people are making too big of a deal about because they don’t like Kane. It’s the shit we complain about other fans doing to our team and now we are doing it too.
Thank you! The hypocrisy over here was getting a little annoying…
“It seems like they’ve gotten a lot better from last year. They’re so good offensively, you’ve got to play a puck possession game and keep it away from their big guns,” said Patrick Kane,
Really, exactly what is a player supposed to say?
You will find almost all of them saying “not to take anything away from the other team but it’s our mistakes that cost us the game”. That is not being disrespectful, btw. It also happens to be a paraphrase Toews talking about last game this series and of Cannuck players talking about games from last years series…
hypocrisy?
sorry man, I don’t buy it. I think a little truth slipped out there, and now everyone’s trying to rationalize it. They have swagger that far outweighs any of their accomplishments.
Say what you want, the comments leading up to and after show what he said to be far too honest for people to deal with IMO
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to further back this up
Canucks Hockey Blog has a nice little post that breaks down the shots a little closer, and finds something very interesting: guess where the shot difference comes in?
http://canuckshockeyblog.com/?p=3602
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Dude
what are you reading into that quote that isn’t there? I honestly can’t understand how you could have this same reaction after we all had to defend Burrows from idiots trying to read into his quote about Detroit things that weren’t there. The Hawks have swagger that outweighs their accomplishments? Seems to me they have the swagger of a very young talented team that went to the conference finals last year, had one of the league’s best records this year and is looking to go one better and make the cup final. That’s the exact kind of swagger they SHOULD have. No one is trying to rationalize anything. You are reading way too much into that quote. There really isn’t anything offensive there. I mean he didn’t even say it was GOING to be an easy series. He said maybe they THOUGHT it was going to be easy, which it won’t be. That’s what he said. So you are pissed that in the Hawks locker room before the series started they maybe, remember MAYBE, underestimated the Nucks and it affected their play? Talk about thin skin.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 3, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
They came out and said they underestimated them. They said that it was all them, and not anything the Canucks did. There’s nothing to read into it. I’m not pissed, far from it. I find it rather comical and not at all surprising.
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Sorry
who is they and them?
I understand not liking the team we are playing in the playoffs. But I don’t understand being irrational about it. And that’s the way your coming across. Especially since you seemingly implied earlier that Kane said he thought the series would be easy. Which isn’t at all what he said.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 3, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe you should take your coaches approach
“I know I’ve said this a few times, I think, but I don’t really care about getting credit for our players,” Vigneault said.
If you are waiting for the other team to say “your team was better than us and there wasn’t anything we could do about it” you will have a long wait.
That’s just how athletes are. If you don’t think so, try re-reading the Cannucks explanation of why the Hawks beat them last year. It’s all about the mistakes the Cannucks made.
I’m not gonna take you seriously until you learn how to spell Canucks. :)
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DaleHalas quotes
Toews talking about last game this series and of Cannuck players talking about games from last years series…
The Hawks “do more” to protect their goalie than the Canucks do to protect theirs.
Literally the only difference between the Canucks and Hawks offense this year
By the way, putting a smiley face after you were being an ass doesn’t change the fact you were being an ass…
So I’m an ass because you either can’t or refuse to spell the team’s name correctly? And they call us sensitive…
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No no no
your an ass for all sorts of reason. That’s just one of them.
;)
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 3, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
being considered an ass by you is high flattery, indeed…
:P
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I don’t get the peeps that like dissecting spelling errors. Really. Get a f*cking life. I know that’s harsh. As long as it’s done in good humor I don’t mind.
by Sean Zandberg on May 3, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
It is pretty
pedantik…………will anyone take the bait?
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 3, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t care about grammar, I do care about the constant misspelling of the team’s name. It was hardly serious, though… and had nothing to do with whatever Dale had said (but seriously, thanks for quoting yourself…). So I’m an ass, then? Alrighty… :)
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geez kids...
DaleHalas – learn to spell canucks
Waach – Chill the fuck out it’s a typo
Section – That was kinda like humour, but without the funny part.
Zandberg – STFU it’s important to point out the flaws and lack of education of the opposition team’s fans.
Now, everybody shake hands and stop acting like 4 yoatas in a small room.
:P
"Hope you like pancakes, Norway..." Morgan Freeman
"you'll be playing in england the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"Aint no party like my nana's tea party...hey...hoe..."
Unnecessary shot at yoata
You gotta love Canuck fans. Love to point out the flaws in everyone else but can’t acknowledge any of their own flaws.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 3, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
It was meant to be humorous…hence the " :P " I coulda said me, you, dan or waach as well, cuz we all aren’t afraid to debate…
"Hope you like pancakes, Norway..." Morgan Freeman
"you'll be playing in england the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"Aint no party like my nana's tea party...hey...hoe..."
I'm just trying to stay
on his good side.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 3, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
that they said they forgot to turn the ON button on. They came out flying early. And I agree with Section that too many people are making too big a deal out of Kane’s comments. It’s getting ridiculous.
by Sean Zandberg on May 3, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
they forgot to turn the ON button on.
There was no such quote. Look players are asked stupid questions after they lose a game. And the players pick out the appropriate “cliche” as a response.
“maybe we weren’t as ready as we should have been” is one of the cliche responses. Geez…
The Hawks lost that game because they broke down on defense not because they weren’t ready for the game. Something they sometimes do when they get too offensive minded. They usually respond with a much better defensive effort the following game.
We’ll see tonight…
mattsekeres
Luongo on Burish’s threat: "I’m not going to get into any responses with the other team…stuff like that doesn’t really get me off my game.
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new Puck Daddy
What if Antti Niemi doesn’t rebound for the Hawks?
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Nashville didn’t pressure him enough. The Canucks will. It will be interesting to see how he responds.
by Sean Zandberg on May 3, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
1 power play goal from nashville and it didn’t come til the last game. remind me what our pp is doing again?
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I know.. I was being snarky :p
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As long as your not being an ass.;)
And my smiley face in no way excuses me from being an ass.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
don’t forget old. you’re old, too.
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The key to the series is Niemi and Huet. We gotta keep shooting pucks at Niemi, make him look like the rookie he is, get in his head, force coach Q to contemplate and then switch him with Huet. Huet wouldn’t be able to handle all the offensive pressure and would ultimately crack. By the end of game 3, both goalies are done. Last year they had Khabibulin, enough said.
WOO HOO for surgery!!! I got a month off of work and I get another month next week!!! Long run baby, long run............
by My Landed Immigrant status just expired! on May 3, 2010 10:50 AM PDT reply actions
What I’m saying is that both Niemi and Huet don’t have the psychological stamina and fortitude that Khabibulin has. Once Chicago starts alternating their goalies, go for the jugular!
WOO HOO for surgery!!! I got a month off of work and I get another month next week!!! Long run baby, long run............
by My Landed Immigrant status just expired! on May 3, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Rec'd, because of this.
You seriously let this guy walk to keep Olli Jokinen? You’re reaping what you sew, in this instance. The fields will be barren for years to come in Calgary.
Man do I loves me some good old fashioned schadenfreude, especially Flames schadenfreude.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
by Chuckles Canuckles on May 3, 2010 11:02 AM PDT reply actions
Um...
…Except it should be “sow”. Into the ground, not onto a dress.
Unless Sutter’s taken up a new career as a seamstress, and was making the Flames’ a new third jersey, thus being distracted from managing his team well?
oh the embarrassment of having the Typo King of NM point out my grammatical error…
:p
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