The Flyers Don't Have A Chance! Oh Yeah?
I have been reading it everywhere, including this site that some people are not giving the Flyers a chance in hell to beat the Blackhawks in the Stanley Cup Finals. While I think the Hawks are going to win as well, I still believe that anything can happen and especially that the Flyers are not to be underestimated. I could write a 10 paragraph essay on this but I'll spare you. I'll keep it in bullet-form..sort of...
-The West is much better than the East argument. Well this year that may be the case, standings-wise. Montreal and Philadelphia squeezed into the playoffs this season and only needed 88 points to do so. Philly was a shootout goal away from not making the dance. The Avalanche easily attained the 8th spot in the West with 95 points, 5 points ahead of the 9th place Blues. Yeah yeah. That was the regular season. The playoffs are a different ball game. A big difference? The Flyers were projected to be better than a 7th place team before the season started. So what the hell happened?
More..
-a good start followed by an identity problem..or 2....or 3..... In the month of October, Philly went 6-4-1. After going 6-1 from November 2-18 all hell broke loose. The Flyers lost 6-3 to the Sharks in San Jose on November 20th and proceeded to win only 1 game in their next 7. After the Canucks beat them 3-0 (their second shutout loss in row) on December 3, head coach John Stevens was fired and replaced by Peter Laviolette. Laviolette's first game behind the bench was a disgrace. The Flyers lost 8-2 to the Capitals mostly due to undisciplined play. The team acknowledged it and Mike Richards even publicly put the heat on Daniel Carcillo to smarten up. That did not translate into wins. Philly went 2-6-1 in their next 9. A playoff spot looked bleak. But then they went 11-3-1 in their next 15 dating up to January 23, and then 6-4-0 heading into the Olympic break.
When regular season play resumed the Flyers were mediocre at best, finishing 9-10-3 in their final 22 games. This is how they got into the playoffs.
Yeah, thanks Jokinen. Enjoy the KHL. And thanks NHL for giving teams the extra point for the shootout. Coach Laviolette was trying to drill into these guys' heads to play his patient system and it would work out for them. Well, the team finally bought into it.
-Philly outscored the Devils 15-9 and beat them in 5 games in Round 1.
-When all hope looked dead against the Bruins in round 2: down 3 games to none, tying the series to force a 7th game, down 3-0 in game 7; the Flyers showed insane resiliency to overcome the deficit and become a part of history. It was a beautiful thing, admit it.
-Let's face it, the true Cinderella story of the playoffs were the Canadiens, not the Flyers. Backed by Halak, a red hot Michael Cammalleri, and solid defence they trounced the 2 teams most picked to get to the final 2 in the East in the Penguins and Capitals. Well Philly had an answer for that. They outscored Montreal 17-7 to take the semi-final series in 5. They zeroed in on Cammalleri and neutralized him, while making Jaroslav Halak look human in the process. That mostly, is Peter Laviolette's system. And so far it's working because the players are buying into it.
-Adversity. The Flyers have had a heap of it this season and in these playoffs. Yet they persevered. They lost Ray Emery in the beginning of February, and then Michael Leighton in mid-march, so they had to play the long-forgotten Brian Boucher. He finished the season with 5 wins and 11 losses. But something happened to his psyche in that final game of the regular season shootout win over the Rangers. His confidence soared. He was solid in the series win over the Devils.
However, at the time he got injured early in game 5 against the Bruins, when they were down 3 games to 1, Michael Leighton stepped in and became a wall. But that was not the only injury issue facing the Flyers. They, up to that point, were playing without Simon Gagne and Jeff Carter as well. To put it into perspective, Gagne scored 20 goals and 48 points in 80 games this season while Jeff Carter scored 33 goals and 61 points in 78 games. They had a combined 14 power play goals this season. That is a serious chunk of offence lost when they were out, yet the team still got the job done.
Yes, adversity . How much of that have the Blackhawks faced lately? Almost nothing. They have remained fortunately healthy and even gotten lucky on so many occasions during these playoffs and beforehand. (Yes, their skill and ability to capitalize on chances works too, of course.) By the way, Jeff Carter has 2 goals in 2 games since his return to the Flyer's lineup. Both goals came in game 5 against the Habs. Since Gagne returned in Game 5 against the Bruins, the Flyers are 8-1 while Rhymin' Simon has 7 goals and 1 assist in that span.
-The Nitty Gritty. In these playoffs:
- Chicago holds the edge in goals per game,
- Philly allows less goals against per game,
- the Flyers are better 5 on 5,
- the Hawks have had the more successful power play,
- Philly barely holds the edge penalty killing,
- the Hawks have shot more but the Flyers have allowed less shots against,
- both teams have won 87.5% of their games when scoring first,
- only Chicago has not lost a game when leading after the first period,
- the Flyers have not lost a game when leading after 2 periods,
- the Hawks have taken fewer penalties per game...but that stat sucks.
-Let's break down the scoring depth, since I keep hearing the Hawks are a deeper team:
-Chicago's top line of JonathanToews (7 goals and 19 assists)-Dustin Byfuglien (8 goals and 2 assists) and Patrick Kane (7 goals and 13 assists) have a combined 22 goals and 34 assists in 16 playoff games for an average of 1.17 points per game. Philly's top line of Simon Gagne (7 goals and 3 assists)- Mike Richards (6 goals and 15 assists)-Jeff Carter (4 goals and 1 assists) have a combined 17 goals and 19 assists for an average of 1.0 points per game.
Chicago's 2nd line of Troy Brouwer (2 goals and 1 assist)- Patrick Sharp (7 goals and 9 assists) - Marian Hossa (2 goals and 9 assists) has combined for 11 goals and 19 assists for an average of 0.67 points per game. Philly's 2nd line of Scott Hartnell (3-5-8) - Daniel Briere (9-9-18) - Ville Leino (4-8-12) have combined for 16 goals and 22 assists for and average of 0.81 points per game.
Chicago's 3rd line of Andrew Ladd (2-1-3) - Kris Versteeg (4-5-9) - David Bolland (5-5-10) has combined for 11 goals and 11 assists for an average of 0.46 points per game. Philly's 3rd line of James vanRiemsdyk (2-2-4) - Claude Giroux (8-9-17) - Aaron Asham (3-2-5) has combined for 13 goals and 15 assists for an average of 0.55 points per game.
Wanna throw in the 4th lines? OK.
Chicago's 4th line of John Madden (1-0-1) - Ben Eager (0-1-1) - Adam Burish (0-0-0) have a combined 2 points. Philly's 4th line of Daniel Carcillo (2-4-6) - Blair Betts (0-1-1) - Darrol Powe (0-0-0) have a combined 7 points.
Points from the defence:
Chicago: 5 goals and 25 assists. Philadelphia: 6 goals and 31 assists.
-Goaltending. Auntie Niemi has a 12-4 record in the playoffs with a 2.33 GAA and a .921 save percentage. He has squashed the BS talk about the Hawks lacking goaltending in the playoffs. Michael Leighton has a 6-1 record in the playoffs with a 1.41 GAA and a .948 save percentage. Advantage Leighton? Sure, in statistics, but time will tell which team takes advantage of which goaltender. The Flyers play stubborn defensive hockey, but the Blackhawks can do the same if they so desire. It's just that so far the Flyers have done a better job in front of their netminder.
Seeing a trend? Of course, those are not "set lines" but that doesn't really matter does it?
There is no depth issue for the Flyers. Not on paper and not in the statistical category. They actually hold the advantage. The Hawks do have home ice advantage, yes, but they still have their work cut out for them.
-I'm sounding pro-Flyers aren't I? Well, to be honest, I don't care who wins this series. I just hope it goes the distance. But what I refuse to accept is people basically guaranteeing a Chicago win. It can go either way. A crucial injury here, a goalie that deflates there.....a team that loses it's composure.....
The Flyers may come from the Eastern Conference but don't give me this West is best crap, not in the Finals. You can spoon feed me that if the Hawks win this series in 4 or 5 games. But until then...anything can happen. The Flyers have earned this Cup Final appearance. What we have here are 2 healthy, physical, well-coached teams going head to head and quite frankly I cannot wait to watch it.
God I love hockey.
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The Flyers also faced the offensive powerhouses New Jersey, Boston and Montreal. They haven’t seen an offense like Philly
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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 27, 2010 1:04 PM PDT reply actions
Hawks in 5.
6 MAYBE, but very unlikely. The Flames didn’t make the playoffs, as you predicted and to my delight and the Hawks will prevail then drown next year in a self-made tar pit of cap shitstorm like the ferocious Tyrannosaurus Rex that they are.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 27, 2010 1:22 PM PDT reply actions
You guys are really setting yourselves up for a huge disappointment
next year. The Hawks aren’t going to be as badly screwed by their cap problems as you seem to think.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
Give in.
And enjoy the schadenfreude.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
by Chuckles Canuckles on May 27, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
we’ve gotta revel in the fact that they’ll be returning:
Kane-Toews-[who cares]
Hossa-[someone]-Brouwer
[someone]-Bolland-[someone]
Keith-Seabrook
Campbell-[someone]
with probably one or two of those [someones] filled by Sharp, Versteeg, Buff, Ladd or Hjalmarsson, and the likelies to fill the remaining holes including former top-10 picks Kyle Beach and Jack Skille?
I mean, yeah, they’ll probs be worse, but they’re so far ahead of almost everyone in this league right now that they can come back a fair bit and still be among the best.
by Passive Voice on May 27, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh I agree all along that they’ll still be good, but the bottom half of their lineup will be noticeably depleted unless they’re genius/lucky with the pluggers they find for those holes. Hopefully a more balanced team like the Canucks can exploit that. We were a notch a half below them this year, but with this change I think/hope we even things out.
by Beantown Canuck on May 27, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno…I really think philly can do some damage here. Will they win? Dunno. I have reasons for wanting both teams to not win tho (Burrish/Hossa and Carcillo/Elbows McDouchenuts)
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It pains me to root for the Flyers but fuck it. Go you ugly underdogs you!
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I will never cheer for a team that has Carcillo on it. Richie doesn’t even bother me, he is so fucking tenacious and I like that. I like the French-Canadians (Giroux, Gagne, Briere) and Carter. I met a hardcore Flyers fan last year while on vacation so that endeared me a little to them. But Carcillo ruins everything for me.
I dont really have anyone to cheer for, because I dont want to cheer for the Hawks either :(
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 27, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
and Chris Pronger can go suck a goat
by Beantown Canuck on May 27, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
have you seen Adam Burish on that Cabby on the street thing on the Score? I hate him so much more than Carcillo.
by Passive Voice on May 27, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, Burish has a big mouth and is a smartass for sure, and I can totally understand why fans of opposing teams would find him annoying. But comparing his big mouth to Carcillo’s dirty/dangerous play on the ice I think is apples and oranges.
I agree. Few players are worse than Carcillo. But that wouldn’t take the sting off watching Burish manhandle the Cup.
It’s splitting hairs really, they’re both basically my least favorite players left skating, with Pronger just a smidge behind them behind them both.
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by Yankee Canuck on May 27, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't care what anyone says
this series is over quickly. Hawks will probably sweep it like the last time the Flyers made the finals but just to be generous I will say they find a way to win game 3 at home. 5 games and the Hawks are lifting the cup. Comparing points per game to show the Flyers have more depth is incredibly flawed in my opinion. The East isn’t as good as the West and we all know it. What would Kane and Toews be doing in the playoffs so far had they played in the East? It’s mind boggling to think about. Plus Philly have not seen a top pair anywhere near as good as Keith and Seabrook. Gagne Richards and Carter won’t be able to do more against those two than Thornton and his line mates did. Leighton can’t continue like this much longer. He is vastly out playing his ability level. That will correct itself soon.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
well I would be too if I were you. heheh..ah watching the Finals stress-free isn’t going to be so bad….but that’s just me trying to be positive
by Sean Zandberg on May 27, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
The only sure thing…….
…….is that there’s never a sure thing.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
That's not really true
the Avs were a sure thing against the Panthers and then they swept them. Brazil in 1970 were a sure thing and they won the World Cup easily. Sometimes a sure thing is actually a sure thing.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
What if Roy got injured in game 1 of the 1996 playoffs? Still a sure thing?
by Sean Zandberg on May 27, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant going into the finals
they were a sure thing. And they would have smoked the Panthers even with their back up starting.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
I agree re: comparing points per game. It’s inaccurate to compare that stat since they didn’t face the same competition, different number of games played, etc. (uncontrolled variables).
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The games played were all taken into account for every player and their lines, but yeah, the QualComp is a left out factor. I wasn’t trying to get too deep into it.
by Sean Zandberg on May 28, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Well game one of the finals we saw the real Leighton. Boucher will also fail now. And yes the Oilers and Flames suck. Now where is my candy. lol! But i will end by saying should have been Canucks and Devils in finals, maybe next year.
by KingHellfire on May 31, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re gonna be wrong. You heard it everywhere else first.
by Beantown Canuck on May 27, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Great write-up
The bullet point that is most surprising is the Hawks power play. I still can’t get over how much the PP% improved. Over at SCH in the regular season there was great concern that our dogshit powerplay could be our downfall. I think it was 17% or something and in the playoffs its 22.6%. Thing is, I don’t know what they are doing differently to make it better, its just…better. Weird, but then again hasn’t this whole playoffs been full of weirdness.
yeah, like the Canucks’ PK. Oh sweet death come quickly!
by Sean Zandberg on May 27, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Never in my life
have I seen such a terrible playoff PK.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
by Chuckles Canuckles on May 27, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
You know, I was wondering about that very thing this morning. Because I feel like the Hawk’s PP didn’t look any better to me, but we ended up scoring more often and this made me happy so I didn’t question it too much.
So, question for you Nucks fans: Were you unhappy with your PK simply based on the numbers (more power play goals against than there should have been), or do you think that it looked like it was sub par as well?
let’s just say you should’ve seen us on here during the Kings series, we were calling Kings PPG’s like crazy.
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The PK was so bad
I was scoring PPGs from my living room.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 28, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats the Powerplay.
The Devils were ranked 4th part way through this season and fell to near bottom by end of year. Not to mention the opposing team has a big part in the powerplay working or not.
by KingHellfire on May 31, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Canuckk on May 27, 2010 6:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The sight of Patrick Kane lifting the cup will be sure to induce vomit. I am 100% cheering for the Flyers and I do think they have a chance to beat the Hawks.
The Flyers have about as much depth up front as the Hawks, and on the back end Pronger-Timonen can compete with Keith-Seabrook. Add in two wild card goalies and it should make for a fun physical series. I’ll say Flyers in 7.
Oh and I’m a Carcillo fan. He’s a guy that plays on the line but he does have the stones to back it up with a fight, unlike say Matt Cooke.
No
do not want Carcillo.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
by Chuckles Canuckles on May 28, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah Carcillo is tough!
Going after Gaborik makes you real badass. Avery wrecked Carcillo that game if you recall.
by KingHellfire on May 31, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Flyers in 5 or 6
Gotta go with the Hot Goalie, and Leighton has been insane since he came back. In 8 Playoff games he’s given up 11 goals, of which 8 came in 2 games (Game 7 Vs Boston and Game 4 Vs Montreal). Even when he was off in Game 7 Vs Boston he still made two or three huge saves right before the Flyers scored the PP Goal to make it 3-1.
Also, people forget, when Emery went down Boucher was the backup. But Bouch got hurt right before the Winter Classic and Leighton was just hot enough for Laviolette to stick with Leighton.
The Islanders went from Marty McInnis and a 2nd Overall pick to Jesse Joensuu.
I wouldn't give leighton the hot goalie advantage
Niemi was insane vs the sharks. And pretty solid in 4 games against us. Seem to recall halak having a blowout or two between headstands.
My favourite thing about this series is that both team’s shittiest defenceman that actually plays minutes is a former Canucks shitty defenceman – Krajicek and Sopel.
by Beantown Canuck on May 28, 2010 7:03 AM PDT reply actions
LOL
My god Krajicek was terrible. Sopes was annoying, but not as bad as Krajicek.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
by Chuckles Canuckles on May 28, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions

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