Enjoy the cup this year Chicago...
by Beantown Canuck on May 24, 2010 9:53 PM PDT
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PrintSo it's looking pretty likely that the Blackhawks are going to win the Cup. So congrats to them. And now it's time for a little schadenfreude. They are in deep salary cap doodoo next season. What the hell are they going to do! Here is the situation (all data from Cap Central):
TOTAL CAP HIT: 57,581,337
So basically, the situation is that they are already roughly $1 million over the cap (presuming cap level is flat next year, which by all accounts people seem to think it will be). And they still need to fill in 3 forwards, 2 defensemen, 1 goalie, and 2 utility roster spots. How the shit are they going to do that. They're going to have to dump quite a bit of existing salary on the books... and every time you dump a player, you gotta fill that player's spot too, don't forget. So I'm going to enjoy watching them get picked apart. What do you think is their best course of action?
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I’d so want MG to make a pitch for Byfuglien as unlikely it is that Chicago will part with him, even though his cap hit is $3M. Besides, I don’t exactly see where Buff would fit on this team in terms of line combinations anyways
Too much spent on Campbell
The Hawks would love to get rid of that salary. Except no team will take that on. Johnsson is done. Eager or Burish is done as well. The question is whether Niemi will break the bank for the rest of the Blackhawk RFA’s. Or else a guy like Ladd may be moving else where.
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I think you’re heavily understating the problem. They HAVE to move some of the guys they have signed already, and that’s well before re-signing all those players you mentioned. They have to dump millions of dollars payroll so that they can sign probably 8-10 cheap, cheap, cheap players to barely squeak under the cap, barring some miraculous large jump in the cap level that no one seems to think will happen. Even if they simply move Campbell away with no salary in return (which is not at all possible I don’t think), they still have to make some cuts because they can’t afford to sign just Niemi and Ladd with the money left over, and they’d still need 7 more players!
by Beantown Canuck on May 25, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Buy outs
They might have to buy out Huet and look to move Sharp and Sopel as well. But with a long playoff run, and a cup, in the bag they should be able to convince ownership to spend some money easing the cap problems. If they can move some of the big contracts then they are in great shape. Seabrook, Keith, Toews, Kane and Hossa is one of the best cores in the league and they are all reasonable except maybe Hossa in terms of cap hit. Where the Hawks have problems is Campbell, Sharp, Sopel, Huet, Bolland and Byfuglien. If they can move some of them and buy out Huet then the cap problems are manageable.
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by Section 312 on May 25, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Buy out Huet = $2.8 mill saved. And now you have to sign 2 goalies (remember, Niemi is not yet signed).
Sharp is certainly movable for no salary in return… many teams would trade youth/picks for him, so that’s certainly possible. I think that’s a huge loss for them though. So if you add that Byfuglien and Bolland have proved themselves very important to the team, too. And I don’t think many teams would take on Sopel at his salary, but I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt it would be possible.
But let’s say Huet is bought out, and Sharp and one of either Buff or Bolland get traded for no salary in return. and the Sopel dump can be done. That’s $2.8 + $3.9 + $3 + $2.3 mill saved, but now with 4 additional holes. That would leave them with… $11 mill in cap space to play with, on a team that now does not include Sharp, one of Buff or Bolland, Huet, Niemi, Ladd, Madden, Eager, Burish, Hendry, Fraser, Sopel or Johnsson. And a team that needs to use that $11 mill to fill 5 forwards, 3 defensemen, 2 goalies, and 2 utility roster spots. So that’s still a need to fill 12 roster spots – including BOTH of your goalies, for an average of around $920,000. That’s a lot of filler. And I don’t think the scenario is even possible.
by Beantown Canuck on May 25, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
The Blackhawks can’t break out of their zone on the 2nd pairing without Campbell. He’s likely not moving.
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by red army line on May 29, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Byfuglien....huh?
35 points a year…..$3 million. Got to love the salary cap era.
I would never sign the guy hoping he comes through in the playoffs. If I were the Blackhawks I would dump that salary and focus on Ladd, Hjalmarsson and Niemi.
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What do you mean by dump? And you have to dump a whole lot more than just Buff to sign those other guys! Remember, they’re already over the cap with all those spots to fill, that every player they sign on top of what they have right now requires dumping of other players. I feel like none of you are appreciating the horrendous scope of their problem! It’s so exciting!
by Beantown Canuck on May 25, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like you are
over estimating the scope of their cap problems to be honest. They can stick Huet in the minors if they want and save 5.6 million. Move Sharp and that’s another 3.9. Now they have 9.5 to sign 8 guys. Move Buff and or Versteeg and or Bolland and they are in fine shape.
Who would you rather have….Kane, Toews and Keith for a combined cap hit of 18.1 million per
or
Sedin, Sedin, Bieksa at a combined cap hit of 16 million per?
I know which one I would take. The only problem the Hawks have is over paying some of their supporting cast. Just the type of problem that is easily solved by shipping out some high paid players and bringing in cheaper ones. Voila. Cheaper supporting cast.
Sharp, Bolland, Huet and Campbell.
Let’s just say that is who they get rid of. That would save 20 million in cap space. They would then need to fill 3 D man spots, 2 goalies and 5 forwards. A backup goalie is around 900,000ish or you call up Crawford to be the backup he makes 800,000. So 3 D, Niemi and 5 forwards at 19 million. An average of roughly 2 million per player. Not too bad. Could afford a Hamhuis type to play on the second D pair with Hjalmarson who gets a slight raise and then a guy like Hendry could be the 6th D man, at around a million a year, to play with Sopel(if Sopel gets moved you could add two D men of Hamhuis’ level and play Hendry with Hjalmarson as 3rd pair) Niemi gets a raise but has very little experience so shouldn’t command too much even with a cup 2 million per for 2 years type deal. Ladd gets a slight raise and you have Beach coming up to play on his ELC. That leaves 3 forwards to fill out their bottom 2 lines and around a million each left. Eager could be one he won’t get much of a raise. Burish at around a million a year if he wants to stay. Bickell could be on the 4th line at around a million as well. So let’s say for arguments sake….
Rough lines:
Kane, Toews, Buff
Hossa, Beach, Versteeg
Ladd, Kopecky, Brouwer
Burish, Eager, Bickel
D:
Keith, Seabrook
Hamhuis, Hjalmarrson
Sopel, Hendry
Niemi
Crawford
Is that a team you think won’t be able to compete for a cup again next year?
My point here is they are in trouble but if ownership is willing to bury a contract and take a bath on a couple others in trades then the Hawks will be just fine next year no matter what moves they end up making. They will have a chance to be good for a long time with Kane, Toews and Keith and Seabrook on reasonable deals.
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by Section 312 on May 25, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
They can stick Huet in the minors if they want and save 5.6 million.
If their owner is willing to spend 11.2 million dollars for 2 seasons of a minor league player? Maybe, don’t know if that’s an option that they would consider.
Move Sharp and that’s another 3.9. Now they have 9.5 to sign 8 guys…
No, now that Sharp and Huet is gone, they have $5.6 + $3.9 – $1, which is $8.5. And they have to sign 10 guys because now you have to replace Huet and Sharp.. and you seem to have forgotten that you need to have a 22 man roster, or else you can’t dress any extra players should someone have a short term injury (you can only go over the cap if you go on LTIR). You need those extra two utility spots.
Move Buff and or Versteeg and or Bolland and they are in fine shape.
Ok, so now they have $14.5 millon to sign 12 players, including BOTH of your goalies, 6 of your top 12 forwards, 2 of your top 6 d-men, and 2 utility players. And look at the names of the players you’ve lost.
And so now where are you going to put Campbell? Also in the minors?
by Beantown Canuck on May 25, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
So what do you think they are going to do?
Fold the team? Play with 10 players cause otherwise they would be over the cap? Run home and cry to their mom? Or find a solution. The solution won’t involve Keith, Seabrook, Kane or Toews leaving and most likely won’t involve Hossa leaving. So they will still be good next year regardless. Look at the Pens as an example. A cup winner with very little money spent on the 3rd and 4th lines last year. The Hawks will do the same and ride the very, very good core group that they have.
Also, you don’t think someone, somewhere would take Campbell for nothing? I think they could, if they want to, find somewhere to trade Campbell. I am sure the owner is willing to stick Huet in the minors and pay him if he is sure they will have a chance for more Cup runs in those 2 years.
2 utility players? It’s called draft picks and minor league journeyman. They make very little. So do most 4th lines. The Hawks will be fine next year. And the Canucks are most likely going to have to go through Chicago to win a cup in the next couple years. Don’t like that idea? Get used to it. If the Nucks want to be a Champion they will have to find a way to be better than the Hawks.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 25, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
They make very little but 2 utility players still eat up $1 mill of cap space. It matters. It all adds up.
All I’m saying is the Hawks beat the Canucks in large part because of players like Buff, Bolland, Ladd, Madden, Versteeg, Campbell, Sharp, not just because of the big 5. Those are the type of players that will be gone. The Canucks can compete against a Chicago without those players.
I’m not saying that the Hawks will be no longer be a good team… they just won’t be AS GOOD of a team as they are this year. You know what other team isn’t as good as this year’s Hawks? The Canucks. So who’s to say who will be better next year?
by Beantown Canuck on May 25, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
You have no idea how good they will be next year
cause you don’t know who will stay and who will go. You don’t know what they really have on the farm. I mean two or three years ago I doubt you knew what guys like Bolland, Buff, Versteeg would be capable of. I mean Versteeg kind of come out of no where last year. They have a better core than us so there is no reason they can’t compliment that core as well as we do and still be as good or better next year. Cap problems today have no bearing on how good the Hawks will be next season.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 25, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh I agree we don’t know. How good those players who fill those holes will be is a complete unknown. What we do know is that they will need to lose important players who have had important roles for them these past two seasons. And then what comes in as a replacement is a crapshoot. I think their core is better than our core, yes, but we have a good supporting crew, and now theirs will be a big unknown. So I’m just saying I like our chances.
by Beantown Canuck on May 25, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
As long as they have Kane and Toews
who will only get better next year, remember they are still in the very early 20s, they will be a very good team. I won’t like our chances against them until we beat them.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 25, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
think Hossa might accept a trade if he wins the Cup?
by Sean Zandberg on May 25, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
While I think it's great all you are so happy
about the Hawk’s dreaded CAPPOCOLYPS I would like you to remember:
12 years / $64 million
That’s a nice cap-anchor to be dragging around. Enjoy!
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Yeah cause spending 5 million a year on a goalie
is ludicrous.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 25, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Our multi-million dollar goalie isn’t going to be pounding rocks in Rockford next season.
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for 2 more years
you’ll have a whole decade left at that point.
As a serious question: Do you really like that deal?
There is no try. There's do and there's fu(%ing up royal
I don't mind it
because it’s a reasonable cap hit for a good goalie. If he gets back to his best next season a 5.3 cap hit will be nice for an elite goalie. Plus it’s a contract with built in spots where both sides can opt out if they want. It’s not really a 12 year deal it’s more like a 5 year deal with options for more.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 25, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d really like to see where Niemi or Leighton are a year from now. I’ll take some stability over the goalie carousel the Hawks and Flyers have engaged in recently.
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by Smoboy41 on May 25, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Niemi
isn’t in the same class as Leighton. He is a bit of a late bloomer but he is obviously a very good goalie who will be the started there next year.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 25, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
*starter
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 25, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, I agree, but I said a year from now, as in the end of next season.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
The end of next season
Niemi will still be the Hawks number 1. He isn’t going anywhere. He isn’t a one season fluke like Leighton.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 25, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok so what will his salary be? He’s unsigned (though he’s RFA, and I believe likely to go arbitration)
by Beantown Canuck on May 25, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends on the length
maybe they go something like 2 million a year for 2 years or something? He only has 42 career appearances in the NHL. Too early for him to get a bigger deal. Even with a Cup on his resume.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 25, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I think if you go to arbitration, then you only sign a 1 year deal. I think if they want a multi-year deal, they’d have to offer more. Chicago is lucky that they can elect to go for arbitration, though. because I think he would get thrown a high offer if he was a flat-out RFA.
by Beantown Canuck on May 25, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Who though?
Who offers him a deal in that scenario? And why gamble on a guy with limited experience and some playoff success? That’s a recipe for disaster. That’s why I don’t think the Hawks will give him a deal for more than a year or two.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 25, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
two year deal would be ideal
that should take both goalies under contract through 2012.
Huet has to go
to ease the cap problems. There is no way I can see that they can afford to keep him.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 25, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course it's easier said than done
but how else are the Hawks going to sign 6 players whilst shedding around a million in salary?
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 25, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
ah, that I did not know
I guess that make good sense though. Make it 12 years to lower the cap hit but have out clauses is one hell of a good contract your GM designed.
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And one the NHL hates!!!!
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 26, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Our GM designed? No way. Your GM did it first with Hossa and Keith
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 13, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Hawks won't be as deep next year...
but there are a few guys in the minor league system that they could plug in for Buff and Steegs (a B.C. native like Beach could eventually be an upgrade). Madden should ship out (love the leadership, but the guy isn’t young). Johnsson’s big contract is definitely gone. We’ll also need to find a way to ship out Sopes.
so, we’ll lose depth, but it’s not as bad as some make it out to be. UNLESS we lose both Hjammer and Sharpie. Just don’t see that happening.
The one payoff with our situation is that we can rid of some good talent for draft picks/young talent, retool our minor league system and be back in dominating fashion in 3-4 years time (when kane, toews, keith and co. are at their prime).
Yeah I’m not worrying about you ceasing to be a good team, and you’ve got a great point that the upside of the salary offload next year, where there will be some very desirable players that will have to b available, is that you should indeed have some good youth options in return for the future. But all that being said, barring an impressive set of hole-filling low salaried players who out of nowhere rise to the occasion, you will be much much weaker in the bottom half of your lineup next year. So I’m hopeful that means we’ll be able to compete with you better! Like I said, a little schadenfreude :)
by Beantown Canuck on May 25, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
in all honesty though
you guys are able to compete now. It very much could be your team in the finals right now. Perhaps you’ll be over the top if you sign another capable blueliner. That’s where I thought your team could best improve.
I still really like my chances going into next year. The core remains, and considering how young they are, they’ll hopefully only get better. For example, do you really believe Toews won’t begin to crack a point a game next year? It also turns out this team was average only until Campbell came back from his collarbone injury. As much as I hate his salary, he makes us tons better.
Next season for the Hawks doesn’t matter right now, and I would happily see the Canucks trade places with the Tallonesque cap problems if it meant a Stanley Cup this year.
Oh I certainly completely agree with you on the second point, but on the first point, it matters for wonderful,wonderful schadenfreude purposes, as is the whole point of this thread :)
by Beantown Canuck on May 27, 2010 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Only works when you have young stars on entry level contracts. But yes, it seems to be a good strategy that teams can survive for a couple years doing, and then have to fall apart in shambles once those entry levels expire.
by Beantown Canuck on May 27, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Beantown
I fucking love schadenfreude. Rec’d!
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 27, 2010 12:22 PM PDT reply actions
They're not as screwed
as you might think. All they really have to do is send Huet to the minors and trade a guy like Versteeg (who would attract a reasonable return) and replace them with callups (Crawford, Skille, Beach, Bickell, etc etc). Boom, $9 million in salary saved. Then they re-sign Niemi (probably $1.5 million or so), Hjalmarsson (again about $1.5 million or so) and Hendry (about $0.5 million) and suddenly their cap hit is $52 million or so. And if the cap ceiling goes up by $2 million next season as it’s expected to, then the Hawks will have $7 million in cap space to spend on their callups and free agents to fill up the rest of their lineup.
So really, they’ll come back largely the same team next year, for the most part. Sure, they won’t have quite the same depth, but they’ll still be a top team, a force to be reckoned with for years to come.
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Exactly
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on May 28, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
From our beloved fried Gary
NHL revenues went up four percent this season according to Bettman, so as long as the NHLPA accepts an escalator, you can expect the salary cap to be raised by $2 million for the 2010-11 season. ~Gary Bettman May 28, 2010 at the UC, Chicago, IL
This changes allot, basiclly a $4-5M US shift from what was expected in the Winter. If the Cap raises to $58-59M US instead of dropping to $52-53M US, this allows the Hawks to probably keep Sharp, and resign Hammer and Niemi as RFA. Who knows what they will do yet, Hell the Hawks don’t know, but an increase in the Cap is something for the Hawks to rejoice over, vice the once expected drop!
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 29, 2010 12:36 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah, what happens to the cap is the key factor in determining how much salary must be offloaded. We shall see!
by Beantown Canuck on May 30, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Even if the cap goes up 2 million
you still only have a little over a million left to sign 8 players. Lots of salary sill has to be moved. Expect some changes in the Windy City.
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by Section 312 on May 30, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Change is expected
But how much is greatly different with a $4M+ swing in the expected cap. It is not nearly a glum as when some where talking a 9 million drop late last year. If the Hawks can dump Huet, that is now $9M+ the Hawks have that was not planned on in January!
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 30, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
That seems to be a pretty big if.
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Perhaps
But I’m sure it will not be a straight Huet deal, will come with other deal maker(s) (Draft Choice, prospects, 3rd-4th liner) something to get a team to bite, who needs a backup, or Defensive minded Forward.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 30, 2010 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Given that Q and the many denizens of SCH have no confidence in Huet whatsoever, do you think you’d get any value in return? I’m sure many other teams feel the same way.
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You can get negative value… as in take Huet a long with something else you do want, and you don’t have to give us anything real in return (maybe a bullshit ‘prospect’ … see deal for Christian Ehrhoff)
by Beantown Canuck on May 31, 2010 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I do not think the return value is as important
as unloading his Cap hit. I’m sure a team will need to be enticed with prospects or a draft choice, since adding in a player like Buff or Versteeg would be a whopping 8.5 Mill hit a team would take on.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 31, 2010 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I love rosterbating in the morning. This time of year (draft, FA season) is almost as good as the actual game itself.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
I'm rather enjoying all this Capocalypse stuff
still seams to be in the distant future, vice the concern of the day, which is Game 2 of the SCF!
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 31, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
If you’re interested, I put up a fanshot about Brouwer’s dad over on SCH.
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Thanks
Good Read, glad his Father is doing better.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 31, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Capocalypse
and schadenfreude are my favourites.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
by Chuckles Canuckles on May 31, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
We need to get that on a t-shirt.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
Yes.
Yes you do.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 1, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
AND IT GETS BETTER/WORSE...
Toews gets a 1.3 million bonus for winning Conn. Because Chi was at cap, it will count against next year, so add that to their cap issues.-Duthie on Twitter
Yaaaaay increased pain! Increased schadenfreude!!!
by Beantown Canuck on Jun 10, 2010 2:54 PM PDT reply actions
I am sure the Hawks
are really upset today about this news. Must really put a downer on celebrating winning the cup.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Jun 10, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I love me some schadenfreude.
But at this point I would rather Burrows and Kes hoist the cup than me ever be able to enjoy any schadenfreude for the rest of my life. I will enjoy the schadenfreude more in Sept.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 10, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
It increasingly looks
like Huet will be shipped to the AHL, which means the Hawks will begin with about $6 million to play with (this includes Toews C.S. bonus). If we find a suitor for Sopes, trade Versteeg or buff and let Madden walk, the Hawks will then have about $13 million to build their next team with. Not great but not terrible.
13 million to spend on what?
2 goalies, four D men and 4 or 5 forwards? So you resign Niemi, Ladd, Hjalmarson, Eager, Hendry, Bickell. You still need 2 more players and how much cap room will be left? It’s going to take a Sharp trade to really ease the burden, assuming Sopes goes and maybe a Versteeg. You don’t want a bottom 6 forward group and a bottom 3 D corp that all make less than a million.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Jun 15, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
You’ve still got your numbers wrong. Cap is going up $2 mill, which alone would leave the hawks with $1 mill of space. But add in Kane and Toews bonuse, puts them with -$2 mill in space prior to dumping Huet. So dumping Huet means $3 mill in space. Basically… you have $10 mill, not $13 mill, to do all the things Section 312 says below.
by Beantown Canuck on Jun 15, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Well said
guys
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jun 15, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Error
Kane does not have a bonus, and Toews Bonus hit is <$1M for 2010-11 (~$336,000 applied to this year).
With the following line up, the Hawks will still be $3M under (based on estimated signing costs of some on market value, erroring high)
Marian Hossa RW 5,275,000
Patrick Sharp RW 3,900,000
Patrick Kane RW 6,300,000
Dave Bolland C 3,375,000
Jonathan Toews C 6,300,000
Troy Brouwer RW 1,025,000
Ben Eager LW 1,250,000
Brian Campbell D 7,142,875
Brent Seabrook D 3,500,000
Duncan Keith D 5,538,462
Niklas Hjalmarsson D 1,750,000
Jordan Hendry D 850,000
Antti Niemi G 2,000,000
Jack Skille RW 1,500,000
Michael Brennan D 550,000
Corey Crawford G 800,000
Danny Richmond D 550,000
Jacob Dowell C 525,000
Bryan Bickell LW 750,000
Kyle Beach C 1,200,000
Some Salaries may shift, and there are 1-2 Current Hawks who can be moved/not signed to cut$1-2M/yr still (Sopel, Burrish for example) Some minor League players are simply place holders for salary for entry level.
This is 20 players, $3M+ room (based on $58.6M Cap) to be used to acquire other FA/Trade vice an Entry level Salary, with still room to trim more. (Yes Huet is locked in the AHL!) And this is not a bad starting lineup to BUILD from!
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 16, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Well I got a source that says they do. The Globe and Mail, which is about as legitimate a source you can get. So show me where you got your info from before you accuse me of being in error. I stand by my numbers… in fact that article suggests the situation is even worse than I said.
by Beantown Canuck on Jun 16, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Sarcasm fail on my part.
Misread the “er,says above” as meaning error. Was trying to play off that. Anyhow.
Numbers, pick your article, or “Cap” website! None say the same thing. I still have not found a place that answers if D2K (Keith) gets a bonus if he gets the Norris. Sites I have found that mention Bonus, do not specify which are league and which are team. If they are team, what type and what are the criteria, so how much are being paid, what are “safe” bonuses. The Hawks added to the Cap near seasons end, with Keith being a Norris Candidate, and going into the playoffs the CS would be in play, the league would (well should) not allow them to exceed the 7.5% over Cap if the other performance bonuses were not safe according to the CBA (Safe being low chance of occurring, and the team is allowed to use that bonus space for salary in the Cap).
What makes it hard (so it seems) is these types of things are not disclosed to the open forum, perhaps they are, but I still have found a site that lists them per player. As soon as Toews won the CS (next day) the $1.3M hit came to light, but no other “numbers” for any other Type A or B bonuses have, just that they can earn them. Could they have earned them, sure. Could they not have met the mark, but still be listed as potential, perhaps. Who knows, well Stan Does, I hope!
But I was wrong in flat out saying"Kane does not have a bonus". He may, he may not. I would really like to know how much for what from a good source, not he can or he may, or is still up for these bonuses. The next couple weeks will be interesting.
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
James Madison is my Hero!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 16, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Well the Globe and Mail says Kane does and says as a result Chicago is 4 mill over the cap this year, to be applied against next season’s cap. Globe and Mail is a good source. As a Chicago fan I assume you’re American and thus likely haven’t heard of it, but it’s basically the (arguably) highest regarded paper in Canada, sort of the equivalent of the New York Times. So if they say Kane has made his bonus, then I’m putting my eggs in that basket.
by Beantown Canuck on Jun 16, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Got the answer I think?
After some are prorated (Hossa etc. missed on IR, replacement $ does not count against CAP if less the IR player, and all IR replacements were), the Hawks had a total payroll including ALL bonuses of about $60.175M including bonuses, $3.375M over Cap, which will be carried over to next year. Some of these numbers are still changing here and there (IR time compensation), why I have no clue. But as it sits This number still would work for the above Hawks line up, if Hammer or Neimi or Burrish take expected deals, vice the ones I put up of 500K high overall, though a much smaller margin.
But really the more I look into this, the confused I get!
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
James Madison is my Hero!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 17, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think the situation is murky and confusing is something we can agree on!
by Beantown Canuck on Jun 17, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Chicago have signed centre Mathis Olimb. If I’ve looked it up right the cap hit is $600,000 and it’s a one year deal. I doubt just one signing will make it much clearer what the Hawks are gonna do but there you have it.
If he only plays in the AHL this coming season
That is not a salary cap hit.
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
James Madison is my Hero!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 19, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
True. But do you think that’s the expectation?
by Beantown Canuck on Jun 19, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
IDK
Until offer sheets are announced, and who will not return, who knows.It is going to be tight, but a $600,000 contract does help the situation, if he is ready.
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII
James Madison is my Hero!
by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jun 20, 2010 4:54 AM PDT up reply actions
True, true
my logic was that if it was along the lines of signing a prospect who may develop into someone who could play for the Hawks it would be more than one year on the contract. Plus isn’t it just a smidge over being league minimum? I’m guessing (and have no basis for this whatsoever so am probably wrong) but if it was intended that he just play for whatever the Hawks AHL affiliate team is, would they not just sign him? I know the teams are linked but they must surely have their own players. Then again maybe they aren’t sure about him and want a short term kind of trail period.
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