Picking Up The Pieces: The 2009-2010 Canucks Defense
It's been exactly one week since we all woke up - perhaps in a bit of a whiskey-induced daze - to another long summer ahead.
I've been contributing my inane diatribes for this team coming up on four years and this elimination has been the most frustrating. Anaheim was too deep a few seasons ago and our team was too slow and defensive-minded last year.
Yet with so many positives from the regular season hoping to carry them a bit further, a few familiar enemies did them in again: an overall lack of discipline, a lack of execution and the numerous and often hilarious breakdowns in front of our curious netminder. If you don't look at this and get pissed, you're not a fan of this team.
But a week has passed, I think my hangover is gone and I'm already cranked up for the draft and this summer (also watching Byfuglien piss off another team....hooray it's not just us!). We need to see a lot of things change, particularly where the Vancouver Canucks are the weakest: defense. So that seems like the best place to start picking up the pieces.
After the jump, a look at who did what this season on our blueline.
What he did: Many wondered what the departure of Ohlund would have on little-Ohlie. I don't think it's fair to credit Edler's erratic play to that, but it had to have played a part. 42 points was a career best - and 37 assists is 10 better than last season - but disconcerting is he finished negative for the first time in his career and his shooting was poor (shot percentage sank from 6.1% to 3.1%). AV used Edler fairly liberally all over the ice in any situation; along with almost a 90 second increase in ATOI (22:38 this year) you could argue maybe it was a bit too much for the 23 year old. He was OK in the post season (2G, 4A, +9) but got exposed against Chicago, especially in game three where Byfuglien made him his bitch (well him and the team in general).
For The Record: E-train lead all the blueliners in offensive and defensive zone starts as well as in blocked shots.
Summer Assignment: Remember a few seasons when the Sedins were slammed for being scrawny and easy to knock off the puck? They went home that summer and came back chiseled, spending much of the summer in the old country running up hills while juggling horses, maybe pulling a wooden wagon carrying boulders with their teeth. Edler needs the same sexy Swedish summer. Besides just working on the fundamentals, he needs to bulk up. Remember him in game one against the Kings? We need a lot more of that. 2010-2011 will be very telling if Edler deserves the franchise accolades that have been bantered around for the past few years.
What he did: Without Ohlund around, this could have been Salo's coming out party as a #1 defenseman. But probably what will stick out more for us (zing!) is his testicular fortitude; seriously only Salo could use a horrific debilitating injury to make himself look patently indestructible. If you're a parent wanting to warn your kiddies about the dangers of this sport, just show them Sami's injury list. At any rate, his numbers were slightly better than last season (actually his 28 points was his fourth best in his seven seasons as a Canuck). When the injuries rolled in, AV did a good job dispersing the minutes amongst the other guys and not overloading Salo; his 20:30 ATOI, slightly higher than last season, is still far off from his almost 25 minutes four seasons ago. Along with Edler, he remained a fixture in both offensive and defensive starts and remains one of Vancouver's more responsible blueliners.
For The Record: No joke: Salo's 68 games this season was his best showing since 2003-2004. For those keeping track at home, his injuries this season included a sprained MCL, groin, eye and leg injuries. Go big dog!
Summer Assignment: Rest, heal, pray and sit in a dark room away from sharp objects and electrical outlets. You know, his normal routine. Salo is another pending UFA heading into next season. He'll be back of course, but he's got risky rental written all over him if Vancouver falters and opts to become a seller at the deadline. He could be extended too, but how much cap value can a questionably durable defenseman over 35 years old demand?
What he did: Juice followed up a strong 2009 campaign with another let down. In October he was averaging a point every other game but that tailed off badly in the next two months before his leg laceration at the end of December. On the defensive side he was better (being paired with a healthy Mitchell does that) and though he got into his typical PIM trouble in November (40 minutes in 12 games) he was decent. He struggled in his return and his mental vacations continued unabated, but the defense was a mess so we tried to ignore the cons and focus on the pros. In the end if you want a microcosm of what having Bieksa on your team is like, you need only look at the two games of Vancouver's season: even though he wasn't a standout defensively in game five, he popped in two goals to force another game. 48 hours later he did this (3:23 mark) and finished with -2 and no SOG. High risk/high reward? Thy name is Kevin.
For The Record: Bieksa lead the blueline in PIMs this year. You're likely not shocked by this and nor should you: in his five seasons with Vancouver, he's never finished less than third in PIMs for defenseman and in three of his five years he's been #1 (only Bryan Allen and SOB had the nerve to top him). On the positive side, he recorded the second best Corsi on the blueline.
Summer Assignment: Does anyone know what to do with Bieksa anymore? He's topped 40 points twice and yet followed those efforts up with wildly off the mark totals the next year. His PIMs remain high, questions will dog him about his defensive instincts and - though not his fault - he has suffered some really bizarre injuries. You'd be hard pressed to find a player who represents more of a coin toss than Bieksa which is why his future (UFA next summer) will be debated greatly. He'll remain on the second pairing, but because of his age and production, he's the best defenseman not named Ehrhoff Vancouver could trade and expect some quality in return.
What he did: Ehrhoff represents the only MG trade that has paid off. We didn't know what we were getting with him originally; FTF was quick to pass along the 'error-hoff' moniker the day of the money-dump trade. But few suspected he would pot 14 goals (career best), 44 points (career best) and finish with a +35 (good enough for 3rd best for defensemen and 6th best in the NHL). He tied Salo for the most blueline PPGs and GWGs; in a way, it was like having a smaller but healthier and more accurate Salo along for the campaign. Seven points in 12 post season games is decent for a blueliner, putting him in the same family as Chara and Keith (at the moment). The Hoff grew to be the guy we could trust when the game was on the line even if he remains as error prone as billed. For a defensive core with few bright spots, none burnt brighter.
For The Record: Not surprisingly AV used Edler and Ehrhoff liberally in offensive zone starts and kept him sheltered at others (qualcomp). I haven't seen enough stats for other high scoring defensemen to know if their coaches used them similarly. He finished with the highest Corsi for Vancouver's defensemen and his 44 points was the highest blueliner total since Ed Jovanovski tallied 46 in 2002-03.
Summer Assignment: Once MG gets done fishing for talent, he'll need to lock the Hoff up since he'll be a UFA this time next season. Could he be better defensively? Sure. Did he ring more shots wide and high than we could comfortably stomach? Oh hells yes. Lose him? No no no. If you go by the adage that he's only going to get better, he and his slapshot should be out on the point for the next few seasons.
What he did: Raise your hand if you could have guessed SOB would have been more valuable than MG's prized acquisition of Mathieu Schneider? SOB entered this season as the biggest lighting rod for criticism not named Steve Bernier. When he signed last summer it was done with management very much saying "get your ass in gear." It's hard to argue he didn't deliver: his eight points were a career low, but his +/- 15 was a career best, his 79 PIMs was a career low (though still second highest on the team) and his ATOI jumped by over three minutes (again, injuries). I think most of us just wanted to see the mindless penalties stop, but he generally became harder to play against and you could tell his instincts improved. Like others on the back end, he had an up and down post season and played the goat more than once against Chicago.
For The Record: Despite the better total numbers, he lead the team with the most penalties for per 60 mins. SOB also lived up to his initials by doling out the most blueline hits.
Summer Assignment: Do the pros outweigh the cons is the biggest question for SOB now. He was more disciplined and better in his own zone during the regular season, but then the Roxy fun, a few mover verbal spats and a poor round against the Hawks made much of that a distant memory. SOB's future will depend on how Gillis fixes the top pairing and where SOB fits in from there.
At some point someone in a suit and tie needs to ask: does the backend truly need SOB, Bieksa and Alberts together?
What he did: Alberts was the last deadline deal Gillis made as Mitchell insurance but he became the defacto facepalm in the first round, getting tossed in game one against Los Angeles and then adding six more PIMs in game two. He would sit the next two games and return to play a far better game five (finishing with an assist and a +2) and didn't take any calls either. He played every game against Chicago and, while still better than he was in the first round, was still exposed by Chicago's speed and couldn't make the big play when it mattered.
For The Record: He hasn't taken a penalty in 13 days, but he's still second in post season PIMs for a blueliner (good news, he has company in the third slot). AV kept Alberts very sheltered in his brief regular season stint, something we alluded to in the GDT's that the pace of Western play was quicker than what he experienced in Carolina. We also knew at the deadline Alberts is a hitter; it only took him 14 games to jump to sixth on the blueline.
Summer Assignment: It was easy to point at Alberts for life's problems against the Kings, but once he settled down he was serviceable and, in some moments, provided quite a strong presence. He's Vancouver property for another season at $1 million and he'll remain slotted somewhere in the 5-6 pairing for the start of next year. However, his post season was forgettable so he'd also be an easy person to package in a number of deals sent MG's way.
What he did: With Ohlund departing for Tampa, the blueline bedrock was clearly passed over to Mitchell. What he did was start the season off on a scoring tear, sent Toews into the atmosphere and by all accounts looked to be the calming force they needed, especially with the Schneider drama and Bieksa's injury. Then this. To the best of our knowledge, it's been about 17 or 18 weeks since Mitchell has been on the ice. After the playoffs, he called out Campbell and the NHL, something he'll no doubt be fined for.
For The Record: Mitchell lead the blueline in qualcomp and TOI in only 48 games played. Third in takeaways, fourth in blocked shots...starts to explain some of the problems we saw in the post season. You take away the concussion and there isn't a chance in hell Mitchell would be fourth in defense zone starts. He also added a career-high four goals.
What he did: Quietly, Rome was one of the better stories this season. He signed for nothing ($550,000) and injuries granted him 49 games played (the most he every played before that was 17 games two seasons ago with Columbus). With his increase in games came increased responsibility on the PK, especially as the season progressed and the top guys fell to various ailments. He added some toughness and some dependable coverage in front of Luongo.
For The Record: Surprisingly, Rome was fifth in SOG and tied for second in fights (both of which were higher than SOB for comparison). He saw stronger competition than Bieksa, SOB or Ehrhoff and his Corsi was decent considering how AV used him.
What he did: Not much. Arriving as part of the SJ salary dump for Heatley, Lukowich only played 13 games at the NHL level this season and spent the majority of it with the Texas Stars of the American Hockey League. Right before the Olympic break he had season-ending shoulder surgery and has been on the shelf since. He probably would have been more of a component had the team (a) not been close to the cap limit and (b) had a belief that Matty Schneider was worth their time.
For The Record: Only Oberg and Baumer played fewer games than Luko, however Luko ranked second in Qualcomp and in PFON/60 so he was responsible when needed, a trait few others on the squad shared with him unfortunately. And then there was this. Pretty, oh so pretty...
What he did: Fuck you.
For The Record: I hope Sean Zimmerman becomes the second coming of Bobby Orr and celebrates by sleeping with Schneider's wife.
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Seconded. Helluva piece and the ending was the best part. Not unlike a Revenge of the Sith.
I’d be fine with losing Bieksa in a good trade. Mitchell I would hate to see go, but its hard to see how we can keep him. I hope the team continues to have faith in SOB’s future…I like him and he is a big body on the blue line who’s not afraid to do some damage. The jury is still out for me regarding Alberts…is he that much slower than Mitchell? If not, can he become the solid d-man mitchell is (was)? I’d put him right after Bieksa in the move list if it was purely based on the dozen or so games we saw him in, but I’m not sure that would be correct.
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As I said above, one of these three needs to go: Bieksa, SOB or Alberts. Alberts and SOB you may be able to still coach and work with and are cheaper which puts Bieksa on the outs. Certainly not taking anything away from Bieksa because when he wants to be he’s an asset, but it’s become a law of diminishing returns-type situation: with AV there, I think we’ve seen Juice as good as he’s going to get.
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by Yankee Canuck on May 19, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I hated the rumors of his signing this summer. What a waste of time and it really did come back to haunt them.
No. More. Aging. Projects.
Or if you have to go that route, make sure it’s a guy who can still accomplish the little things with limited ice time. See Madden, John.
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by Yankee Canuck on May 19, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
*last summer
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by Yankee Canuck on May 19, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
100% agree with:
One of these three needs to go: Bieksa, SOB or Alberts.
I could also even get on board with two of them going if it facilitates bringing in a surefire number 1.
Ideally, next year, for me, it’s:
???-Salo
Edler-Ehrhoff
O’Brien-Alberts
Rome (or Oberg, or someone else making the minimum).
Michalek is my first choice for the ??? if we go the FA route.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
Michalek would be a great pick up. He joins a group like Hamhuis, Volchenkov and Martin as the prizes. Seidenberg, Leopold, Foster or Boychuk to a lesser extent.
I still think MG needs to snag two new guys: one stud, one puck mover. I don’t want to wait around for Oberg, Sauve or Connauton if they aren’t ready.
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by Yankee Canuck on May 19, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t disagree with that (picking up 2 guys). Not sure who goes though. Who plays on the 3rd pairing? Or is the puckmover headed to the 3rd pairing?
I actually kinda like an all-German pairing of Ehrhoff-Seidenberg as well, but I don’t think Seidenberg is enough (and if Seidenberg is one of two d-men they would be signing, I’m not sure who else would be exiting).
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
In this example you lose Bieksa and probably Alberts (waivers, contract buy out, move for a deep pick, etc).
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by Yankee Canuck on May 19, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
O’Brien – Alberts as a pairing? oh dear.
by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
That would be terrible
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 19, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
But never dull.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
if you mean dull
as in me throwing things at my TV.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 19, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
done
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 20, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
For 15 minutes a night, I could survive that...
O’Brien and Alberts are not nearly as bad as the rap they got. And the bottom line is you can’t have above average players at all spots and still have room for superstars. O’Brien and Alberts are both 5-6 level d-men.
Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.
So, who is going to be expandable from Chicago…if it is true that they will have to shed some cap this summer? I would love to see Byfuglien in Canucks uniform….
Los Angeles, CA
Maybe they won’t win the cup and Hossa will want to come here. Fuck him tho…
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Hossa? Shit have you seen his cap hit? We’d have like 3/4’s of the cap invested in five guys.
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by Yankee Canuck on May 19, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
(it was a joke…)
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GAHHHHH!
:)
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by Yankee Canuck on May 19, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Buff is terrible during the reg season
And only decent during the playoffs. From the comments Ive seen from Hawks fans, he is lazy, complacent, unable to skate fast and is just not a very good hockey players. Do not want Buff.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 19, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
player*
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 19, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Did someone say Wellwood? Funny… if you take “Buff” and put in “Wellfed”, the statement looks just as coherent.
by Vancouverguy on May 19, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
2 million tacos in difference though...
and thats a lot of tacos.
Wellfed
is the Canadian Buff, 100 pounds lighter though.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 19, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Who the f*** cares
what Byfuglien does in the first 82 games of the year! So long as he plays in May/June as he has done for Chicago the past two years, he can party at the Roxy every night. Hell, write it in his contract!
by CarolinaCanuck on May 19, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, if he’s a Chicago player, you want him going to the Roxy every damn night.
If he’s a Canuck, you can do what Detroit does, hide him in the minors and then call him up after only for the playoffs. That way, the cap is at no point influenced. However, I just don’t see us adopting that technique, since we don’t draft as well as the Red Wings.
by Vancouverguy on May 20, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
The part that pissed me off so much about this season
and what I found to be a running theme during the 2nd round against CHI.
Here is the Malkin hit on Mitch. Mitch is clearly very shaken up, and rightfully so, he was just the victim of an extremely obviously illegal and suspension-worth hit from Malkin, one of the league’s premier stars. See how Demo just skates by? Doesn’t even do anything. For me that indicates a lack of dedication and a lack of heart. Maybe this is just a way for me to express my extreme dislike for Demo, which has been exacerbated by this (giveaway to Bolland, causes SHG/backbreaker). The point is, when the chips are down against a good team, everyone just loses their shit. Sure, we had all those comeback wins in the reg season, but what about when it counts? More experienced (See: experience, not old) blue-liners need to be acquired. Who? Fuck if I know, Im not the GM.
That is the first time I have ever seen Blasthoff smiling.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 19, 2010 3:18 PM PDT reply actions
I thought about this last night
I think what Chicago excels at now is that they know where the line is. If you couple that with their confidence in how they move the puck which, even against San Jose, is so effective in the neutral zone with their speed and with guys like Hossa who can overpower you along the boards or Sharp/Versteeg/Kane who can turn the D in circles then the fourth line guys, Buff or the bottom pairings really don’t need to react at all. Buff aside (that’s all size) the rest of them just walk the fine line, but never cross it. You’ll note Eager is sitting, Burish isn’t taking stupid penalties, etc. All they do is play their system and almost never lose their cool.
Conversely, Vancouver is FUCKING AWFUL at this. One of the reasons I can’t stand AV is that I think he hasn’t taught this team full of guys who thrive on jumping over that line when to stop. Here is what Vigneault’s team’s have done the past four years in terms of penalties (and just for good measure, how their PK stacked up):
2006-07 – 14.7 PIMs per game (19th in the league) – PK ranked #1
2007-08 – 18 PIMs per game (29th in the league) – PK ranked #14
2008-09 – 16.5 PIMs per game (28th in the league) – PK ranked #16
2009-10 – 15.5 PIMs per game (26th in the league) – PK ranked #18
Since when are we content to just goon it out year to year with a declining PK and then be shocked when a deeper team with more composure blows us up two years in a row?
Lastly, on the Mitchell hit, in the heat of the moment Demo not reacting I can deal with. Mitchell popped up, the hit happened quickly. All in it was one of a zillion in game actions that you can’t perhaps judge 100% accurately when it happens. It was far from the Ovechkin/Campbell bomb for instance. I think we’re using hindsight a bit too much to condemn everyone with that hit.
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by Yankee Canuck on May 19, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
with more composure
The story of our Canucklehead lives isn’t it? Great piece, Yankee. I’ll comment more later. Damn work is insanely busy
by Sean Zandberg on May 19, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Conversely, Vancouver is FUCKING AWFUL at this. One of the reasons I can’t stand AV is that I think he hasn’t taught this team full of guys who thrive on jumping over that line when to stop.
This goes perfectly with my viewpoint that when the game starting tipping in CHI’s favour, everyone on the Canucks just loses their shit.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 19, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
right on the money
CHI plays right on the line where they are physical and throw other teams off their game, but not crossing the line where they take penalties. It frustrates other teams who start playing Chicago’s game
bieksa and raymond for horton
replace bieksa and mitchell’s spots with:
hamhuis, or volchenkov…. as our top FA signing, somewhere around 4.5 mill
and seidenberg for a reasonable 2.5-3 range…
easier said than done? haha
Oberg is the future? FFS
6’0 165lbs. My friend has a bull mastiff that has more bulk than that.
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Duncan Keith
is 6’1 190lbs. Not saying Oberg is anywhere near as good as Keith but you don’t need bulk to be a good D man. You also don’t need bulk to clear rebounds from the front of the net. Just need to be in position and have a good stick.
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Too small to do this
Can’t move a guy like Byfuglien though…..even Seabrook and Keith say they can’t move him in practice
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You don't have to move him
you just have to make sure he doesn’t get the rebounds before you do. I am sure if Niemi spits out a rebound in practice Keith clears it before Buff knows what hit him.
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We can start recruiting nfl or cfl guys!
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by Yankee Canuck on May 19, 2010 5:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I know
my point is that we don’t necessarily need size. We need quality.
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Getting rid of Bieksa is something I’ve wanted for so long but I just don’t see it happening. He has one more year left on his contract. He’s been a glorious and blunderous player for long enough. This is not a new development. Had management wanted to get rid of him they would have done it last year, or the year before, etc. I’m thinking SOB gets flogged but we keep Alberts and Bieska. It seems they have commitment to those 2.
With Bieksa, I’d prefer it if he simplified his game and played more defensive hockey.
You never know, Kevin Connauton may surprise in camp and get a spot.
Have Faith
Bieksa’s last year of his contract will mean a stellar year. Let’s hope that Canuck management doesn’t get suckered into another contract. Let’s all cheer for Bieksa so his trade value is higher!
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yeah. i don’t even think this is the time to move Bieksa, it’d be the ultimate instance of selling low. bring him back, remind him he’s playing for a contract and that neither Don Cherry nor Mike Milbury is ever gonna run a team again, so he’d better bring the goods.
by Passive Voice on May 19, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
If he doesn't already know that he has to play well every night
then why is he in the NHL? He’s not Nikita Filatov/Alexander Semin.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 19, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you give Kevin Bieksa too much credit. :)
by Passive Voice on May 19, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
His play
gives me ulcers
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 19, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I also wouldn’t mind seeing Luko or Rome returning. Very dependable guys when healthy. We need more of that.
Boo Koo Bullshit. Fucking rap sucks nowadays
by Sean Zandberg on May 19, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank the lord for underground hip-hop.
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underground, yeah where it should be buried :)
by Sean Zandberg on May 20, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I miss Biggie
and Pac.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on May 19, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Beasties 4 life!
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
Funny you say that, because I’m checking this right now
by Sean Zandberg on May 19, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
License To Ill came out in ’86? Fuck, I feel old.
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I was 12 at the time. My parents kept a tight leash on what I listened to. But when I was 16 I copied that album off my cousin and listened to it in a small blaster with headphones late at night. Love at first listen. Been a Beastie fan ever since.
by Sean Zandberg on May 19, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
My sister bought our younger brother Paul’s Boutique. He didn’t like it and gave it to me. Interesting stuff. I’ve always liked bands that are close to me in age, but don’t wallow in their own nostalgia.
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Ah, Paul’s Boutique. My fave Beastie album.
by Sean Zandberg on May 19, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
She bought the cassette. See how far back we’re going here?
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LOL guess I won’t tell you about my KISS Rock n Roll Over 8 track then…
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by Twitchy2010 on May 20, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
ghettoblasters were cool. I don’t care what anyone says :)
Too young for 8 tracks though.
by Sean Zandberg on May 20, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
My pops always used reel-to-reel for his classical compilations. But he never got into the 8 track phase.
ABBA, Johnny Cash, CCR, Elvis LP’s were big in our house too.
by Sean Zandberg on May 20, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
My dad was and still is into vinyl. Mostly classical, but man he had an absolutely outstanding collection of late 40s early 50’s swing and pre-elvis rock and roll. He played in ’combo’s’ in the 50’s (back when pop music included a horn section, which always made me wonder why he had so much issue with me being a rock musician in the 80’s and 90’s.
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because what you played was the devil’s music?
by Sean Zandberg on May 20, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Hah! No, that’s not it. What he played was ’devil’s music’ back then. Nah I think he just wanted to see a degree or two and a good J-O-B. Which kind of went against my slacker ideals.
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"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"I'm not a water dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis, did steve tell you that?" FotC
by Twitchy2010 on May 21, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions

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