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What Happened? What Now?



Okay, put away the trade sticks and the "everyone SUCKS!" eyeglasses.  Chicago, a very good team that finished (just) ahead of Vancouver in the standings, beat the Canucks in six games.  Lots happened in these playoffs, and in games leading up to them, and that's all up for evaluation... Even if some folks have dug their foxholes already and have invested too much into their positions to change them.

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What went wrong?  Simply put, the Canucks lost their shit.

I don't mean their luggage went astray; I mean they lost focus on the games and blew their collective tops.  Yes, just like last year.  Games three and four were decided by the pests - Chicago's went to work, and Vancouver decided to play along.  That was a stupid, stupid thing to do: seeing Daniel take swings at Bolland, or hearing O'Brien say they had to play "harder in front of Luongo" then promptly take penalty after penalty was infuriating.  Chicago got 15 power plays in games three and four.  Fifteen.  They kept their heads, Vancouver didn't.  Instead, they got into pissy little scrums after the whistle, which don't do a damn thing as far as "sending a message".  If you're going to "send a message", I refer you to Bobby Clarke and Ron Hextall: SEND A MESSAGE.  Otherwise, keep your cool and skate away.  Period.

On the other hand, hearing Henrik say that the team had to remember to have fun on the ice, loosen up, and play was music to my ears.  That he has taken a far greater role on the team is one of the real pleasant surprises from this season, and it's been wonderful to see.

Skill is going to be argued over as well, and that's fair enough.  We didn't have the players we thought we did (remember when we were taking bets on when the first of our surplus defencemen was going to be traded away?) but we've still got a damn fine team.  There are excellent reasons why the Canucks were considered a threat to win this year: not the favourite, but they hit a whole lot of top-five lists.

Speaking of defence, Mitchell won't be coming back, unfortunately; concussion symptoms that don't go away after months may not go away at all.  But outside that, our defence is still in good shape.  I've seen mutterings about trading away Edler, which is flat-out short sighted idiocy, and claims that Bieksa is the worst player in hockey.  Seriously, get a grip, people:  You'd rather Kim JohnssonJay BouwmeesterEd JovanovskiDion PhaneufWade Redden?   Because all of them make far more money than Bieksa and I wouldn't trade him for any of them straight up.

We're still recovering from the loss of Bourdon, as Ellington and Connauton should be in  the AHL next season rather than with the Canucks, but the players we have under contract for next year are good ones.  I was hoping Salo would have been traded away at the beginning of the year, but that's only because of his injury history: he's often Vancouver's best defenceman; Ehrhoff has been far and away better than expected; and Alberts... okay, so the top four are solid, but he had been showing improvement right up until the season ended.

There's a question of abandoning O'Brien or trying to keep him progressing, and frankly I'm okay with him sticking for another year: he's slowly easing the heavy hand on his Stupid Button.  He's and RFA, but it's not going to cost much to keep him - or we could trade his rights, I'd be fine with that, too.  We've got Baumgartner and Oberg under contract, and RFA Rome has proven reliable enough for 5-6 play, too.

The forwards have some questions to answer, but not many of them.  Mostly, it comes down to a question of style: what is our third line going to be?  What's our fourth line going to be?  Are we going to go for speed, scoring, hard forecheck/possession, intimidation, defencive acumen?  What?  Because I think it's safe to say we've got two solid lines of scoring and some kids that may or may not make hay in the NHL next season.  The question is, will we make room for them?  Until that's decided, it's useless to say who stays and who goes.

That being said, I'd like to see Johnson and Wellwood back.  That's right, I said Wellwood: he's been playing some really good hockey since the Olympic break, and I think that will carry over into next season now that he seems to have figured out a training regimen somewhere between "none" and "psychotic".  Raymond should get re-signed (for less than Healy's $3 million pipe dream - he's hit 25 goals ONCE, Glen!), and I've got a massive man-crush on Hansen, so I want to see his work ethic back.

Goaltending simply isn't a weakness.  Not even close.  Schneider is going to be backing up Luongo next year unless an unbelievable offer for him comes along, which means Luongo shouldn't pass the 65 game mark.

Which leaves us with about $5 million for about 4 players, either brought up or signed on.  That spells "kids" to me, but which ones?  Ready-to-go tough guys like Glass or Volpatti, or untested scoring threats like Schroeder and/or Hodgson?  Or take the hybrid approach with a couple speed/grinder/finisher lines?

We'll see who comes available in trades, but it seems to me those are hard for our GM to find, given his preference for free agents.  Given his track record (bonanza w/Ehrhoff and Raycroft or failure a la M. Schneider, Shirokov, and Alberts), I'm tempted to unplug his phone to all the free agents out there and just work with the call-ups.

As for what happens...  I'm waiting until the playoffs are over, first.

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I’m not sure yet that Shirokov or Alberts are failures, but other than that, great post man.

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by GAHHHHH! on May 12, 2010 10:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Shirokov looked stunned the instant he got out of pre-season. Not to say he won’t improve, but last year was pure flop, and if he goes back to the KHL for next season, then it will have been a failed signing.

Alberts was signed because Mitchell wasn’t coming back – if that’s not a precipitous drop in talent, what is? Still, he may work out as a 6-7 d, but I don’t see much more there. I think Rome and Oberg are both better players, but that size is tempting to keep around.

by Thursday on May 13, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shirokov was drafted by the Canucks

so how can he be a failed signing? He could be a failed draft pick but it wasn’t Gillis that picked him. Nonis picked him in the 6th round. The fact that he even played an NHL game makes this a good season for a 6th round pick.

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by Section 312 on May 13, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry...

…I probably should have put that in quotes. I consider him a “signing” as he had to get talked out of the KHL (where he had a team he was playing for) and came onto the Canucks payroll. We didn’t take him away from any other NHL teams, sure; but he had to be taken away from his current team.

He was signed on to play second line minutes with Raymond on the third: he didn’t. Great stuff in pre-season, but that was about it. He’s now some of the depth in the Canucks’ system, but only if he sticks around instead of going back to Russia, which is what the word is right now. I’d rather he develop here, but…

by Thursday on May 13, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's what he was signed

for. I don’t remember thinking he was even likely to make the team in his first year in North America.

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by Section 312 on May 13, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not if

he doesn’t use it, I mean maybe if AV is replaced Alberts can flourish but he didn’t do much to stem the tide in the postseason, again maybe a new coach could get more out of him though.

Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair

by yoata on May 13, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

When he got here, Alberts was just plain lost. Heck, just acclimatizing to the West might have done it, but I’m unimpressed by the lack of control over his team AV has shown this year.

Arniel might well be worth a look…

by Thursday on May 13, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m also not sure about relying on Oberg, but I agree with about 95% of what your posts said. However, if we can somehow get rid of Bieksa, and get a top end D man, (Marc Staal, or steal Coburn for a poison-pill offer) I’d pull the trigger on it.

Gillis especially seem like the type who won’t really give a damn about what other people think, so a poison-pill offer to Coburn would be something I like to see. Just remember they tried to tender Kesler before, which we promptly matched. (Good call, Nonis).

by Vancouverguy on May 12, 2010 11:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Staal is a pipe dream. He’s going to have a big contract, PLUS he’s an RFA whose rights we’ve got to get from Manhattan. I don’t know what it’s going to cost, but it’s not going to be easy.

As for the player himself, Staal has my favourite feature: he thinks the game well. I think he’s going to improve his game, but until he adds a physical element he’s always going to be a little disappointing to me. His offensive game isn’t as good as Bieksa’s right now either, but that’s okay given his age. It should come. He isn’t what I’d consider a #1 defenseman: second pairing, sure; but I want more points from a first pair guy.

by Thursday on May 13, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the Canucks happen to trade/sign a defenceman in a semi-reasonable manner in the off-season...

…who would you want it to be? Hamhuis? Seidenberg? Wildly overpaid Volchenkov? Chelios?

I wasn’t crazy about the D this year myself mostly due to a few lunkheads (SOB at times, Bieksa’s season outside of Game 5) and the faith required in Salo’s durability.
Nolan Baumgartner presence doesn’t fill me with anything other than dread.

The mere thought of trading away Edler as you’ve pointed out is absurd,
and Ehrhoff/Connauton/Ellington/Oberg makes me sleep a
little easier with this year’s loss.

I agree with your thoughts on Arniel-AV has fallen into the same trap as Crawford
did when it came to keeping his players under control (see: Games 3-4 from last week). That shit doesn’t cut it in the Haus of Babcock, why should it for the Canucks?
After two years of Gillis I hope he gambles a little bit more this off-season
in regards to the coaching staff and the back end.
(And hopefully he doesn’t sign another washed-up former client…)

by Sneps-ish on May 13, 2010 6:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Camalleri was a client…just sayin.

Shove it in your addendum.

by kesrows on May 13, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cammalleri might not be a washed-up former client, but scoring wasn’’t the issue against
Chicago, team defence was.

by Sneps-ish on May 13, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

booooooo lack of context
I’ve seen mutterings about trading away Edler…

…for Marc Staal.

“Flat-out idiocy” would be refusing a Bieksa-for-Bouwmeester straight-up swap ;)

by Passive Voice on May 13, 2010 10:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Wild speculation, but

Would there be any point in considering trying to acquire Bouwmeester?

If the Flames truly are considering a purge, could that be part of it? He had a bizarrely off year last year, and would be a great fit in Vancouver.

Almost certainly a random pipe-dream (and it would obviously take a lot lot more than just Bieksa), but adding Bouwmeester to the top 4 would probably be exactly what would help).

At the same time, the 6.6 cap hit would probably make that impossible to do.

Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.

by Jevant on May 14, 2010 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

the cap hit is steep. i also doubt they’d trade him to the hated us. i wonder what they’d be looking for in terms of compensation from a run of the mill non-rival though.

by Passive Voice on May 14, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I had kinda talked myself out of it by the end of the comment, as it were.

Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.

by Jevant on May 14, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahaha. i would do it for bieksa with very few questions asked though.

by Passive Voice on May 14, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

No way

Sutter trades JaBo that quick, he just had to admit he overpaid Phanoops, playing musical “elite” D again that soon would be career suicide.

Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair

by yoata on May 14, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

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