Why I want Calgary to miss the playoffs: A brief history of hating the Flames

Like a few Canucks fans out there, I am actively rooting for the Flames to miss the playoffs this year. In all honesty the Flames' management deserves to be punished for some of its shockingly poor decisions, including:
- Signing noted 3-goal scorer Jay Bouwmeester for $6.7/year over five seasons
- Trading for one-quarter of the Toronto Maple Leafs 2009-10 opening night roster
- Trading away (almost) 25-year old blue-chip defenseman Dion Phaneuf in a knee-jerk attempt to acquire some scoring
- Trading for Olli Jokinen last season
- Bumping against the cap last season to the point where the team had to dress only 16 skaters due to injuries
- Failing to surround Jarome Iginla, one of the best power forwards in the game, with any sort of offensive talent
- Until acquiring Vesa Toskola, who has been solid for the Flames since they picked him up, failing to acquire an adequate backup for Mikka Kiprusoff, forcing him to play far too many games (76 starts in each of the past two seasons!)
Okay, I could go on-and believe me I am enjoying this a great deal-but the Flames' managerial incompetence is not the point of this post. Because, despite all the karmic justifications for rooting against Calgary, the real reason for my anti-fandom is that AS A VANCOUVER CANUCKS FAN I AM OBLIGATED TO HATE THE CALGARY FLAMES.
Yes, it's true-I consider this to be an obligation of Canucks fans. The Canucks have had limited playoff success, and thus have generated few rivalries through postseason battles. They have no natural geographic rival. However, they have a long-standing and bitter rivalry with the Flames. Every time the two teams play it is a fiercely contested game, with passionate and antagonistic crowd support on both sides. As has been discussed on this blog before, the Canucks' biggest rivalry is the Calgary Flames.
Many sports teams have rivals that you just have to hate if you are a fan of that team. For example, my roommate still gives me a hard time because I had friend come over to our place for a Canucks vs. Senators game in an Ottawa jersey. And I know many Leafs fans who cheered for the Anaheim Ducks (i.e. against the Sens) in the 2006 Stanley Cup Final. If you are a fan of the Islanders you are raised to hate the Rangers. And vice versa for Blueshirts fans, who still serenade the Islanders with chants of "Potvin sucks!" In the NFL, the Steelers hate the Browns and Ravens, and the Browns and Ravens hate the Steelers. In the MLB, Red Sox fans' second favourite team is whoever is playing the Yankees. You get the idea.
In the 1980s the Canucks, along with the LA Kings and Winnipeg Jets, were essentially Smythe Division doormats for the Edmonton Oilers and the Flames. Those two teams had epic Battles of Alberta that usually determined the Campbell Conference champion. However, that rivalry is long since dead in all but name-culminating in the likely possibility that both Albertan team will miss the playoffs this year. The Canucks/Flames rivalry, meanwhile, has been stoked by seven-game series in 2004 (Flames won in OT) and 1994 (Canucks won in double-OT) and much bad blood in regular season meetings.
It doesn't hurt that the last four times these teams have met in the first round of the playoffs the winner has gone on to the Stanley Cup Final. The Canucks in 1982 and 1994, the Flames in 1989 and 2004. In fact, the only time either team has made the Final without defeating the other was in 1986, when the Flames lost the Cup to the Canadiens and the Canucks were eliminated in the first round by the Oilers.
My first taste of Flames/Canucks rivalry came in 1989, when I was only five years old. I remember only snapshots from Game 7 of that series. I remember being in a conflicted state because my 15 year-old brother had convinced me to bet $1 (an absolute fortune to me at the time) on the Flames, with him taking the Canucks. I remember overcoming my uncertainty and wanting the win more than the money. I remember Stan Smyl getting robbed on a breakaway my Mike Vernon in OT. I don't remember the winning goal (by Joel Otto I think?) but I remember being crushed as I watched the Flames celebrate their series win right in front of the Canucks' net.
Of course 1994 was a defining season for any Canucks fans old enough to remember it. My brother took me to Game 3 against the Flames, a loss to give Calgary a 2-1 series lead. I remember that someone threw a bag of peanuts at Al MacInnis as the players lined up for a faceoff after Calgary slated the victory away with an empty-netter. I remember not having a ton of hope that the Canucks would come back from a 3-1 series lead, and I remember the miracles of Geoff Courtnall and Trevor Linden OT winners in consecutive games. I remember shrieking in fear when the Flames had a 2-0 breakaway in the first overtime period, screaming in excitement after Kirk Mclean made a miraculous save, and shouting my lungs out when Pavel Bure finally won it in the second OT frame. The rest of the playoffs was a magical Cinderella run that finally struck midnight in Game 7 against the Rangers. But even though we lost, I could at least hang my hat on the defeat of the Flames and the subsequent playoff run.
And then, in 2004, I spent the evening watching the Canucks play the Flames in Game 7 from my basement apartment in Toronto. I chose to watch the game instead of studying for a final exam that I had the next day. I still do not regret that decision despite the heartbreak that followed a Markus Naslund end-to-end rush that led to a Matt Cooke tying score with a few seconds left, followed by a Martin Gelinas tally for the Flames in OT while Ed Jovanovski sat in the penalty box. The fact that we played the rest of that season without Todd Bertuzzi and most of that series without Dan Cloutier (Alex Auld filled in), and then the next season was locked-out, made the loss all the more bitter. It was the last stand for a Canucks squad that played some of the best hockey Vancouver has ever seen.
That moment of heartbreak for Canucks fans is a source of joy for Flames supporters. My brother used to live in Calgary, and informed me that the Flames seem to revel in Canucks' misery-following the 2004 series he was subjected, even at games in which the Canucks did not play, to extended videos of Jovonovski celebrating in the penalty box after Cooke tied the game followed by replays of Gelinas scoring the OT winner with Jovo still in the box. Apparently a highly disproportionate of Flames highlights shown during games involve goals, hit or fights against the Canucks. Clearly the anti-Canuck sentiment runs deep for Flames fans: witness this circa-2006 Canucks message-board hate, the "Flames Rock, Canucks SUCK Hardcore!!!" Facebook group, this blog, and more circa-2006 hate on this blog for a small sampling of the Canucks-bashing that runs rampant online. Admittedly much of this material, particularly the Facebook group and the message-board trash, is not indicative of high-level hockey intelligence. However, the last link particularly shows a typical Calgary hate-on for Vancouver.
And you know what? I am totally fine with these sentiments. Why? Because I feel the exact same way about the Flames. It doesn't matter how many nice guys or great players (or even mediocre ex-Leafs) the team has, I just bring myself to like them. It's just unnatural. Can you imagine an Islanders fan cheering for the Rangers to make it into the playoffs? Yeah right. Given the history, both of elation and heartbreak, between these two teams, I think the damage is irreparable.
In the comments on WAACH 'Cast's post this morning, Chuckles Canuckles says of the Flames: "I hope they tank for 50 years." I don't know if entirely agree with that, because if the Flames never make the playoffs in the next five decades then we won't have the satisfaction of watching the Canucks beat them (and apparently our road to the Stanley Cup runs through Calgary-though hopefully that is not true this year). However, I am quite pleased about the Flames' current misery.
Which leads me, ultimately, to the point of this post. Despite defeating the Washington Capitals 5-3 this afternoon, Calgary sits four points back of the Avalanche and five points back of the Kings (each of whom have two games in-hand) with only eight games left. The playoff picture looks very bleak for the Flames. And I for one am really enjoying it. I hope the Flames miss the playoffs, because, well, no matter what the Canucks accomplish in the postseason at least I can revel in the fact that our bitter, historical rival was already on the golf course by mid-April.
If the Flames do make an improbable run for a playoff spot, they will almost certainly have to run the table. Their final game of the season is April 10... against the Canucks. Wouldn't it be sweet if Vancouver could deliver the final knockout blow to the Flames 09-10 season? If that happens, I am sure I will not be alone amongst Canucks fans in raising a toast-to the Canucks win, yes, but more importantly to the elimination of the Calgary Flames from playoff contention. And you know, given the reverse situation, that Flames fans would do exactly the same thing.
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Hey Sean and Mike, I got an error message saying that I couldn’t link to @nucksmisconduct to Tweet this. Can one of you guys retweet it? Thanks.
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by nucksandpucks on Mar 28, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
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I cannot agree more with your analysis (except to say, that it would make our run to the Cup more likely, if we beat the Flames in a series). But, imagine, if you can, all the emotion that you were feeling and then having to deal with Flames fans on top of that.
I remember the goal that Joel Otto scored in 1989. I was watched the game in a bar in Ottawa. To this day, I say he kicked it in. I’ve always felt the Flames were cursed because of that (outside 2004, they’ve never won a playoff series since 1989). One of the happiest moments I’ve had as a Canucks fan was finally, this year, having a Flames fan (and a respected person from the sports community in Calgary) saying to me that if that goal had happened during the video reply era, it would not have counted.
While it’s not fun being a Canucks fan in Calgary, there have been some satisfying moments. I was at the Saddledome for Game 5 in 1994 and had the pleasure of seeing the fans get shut up by Courtnall (including my Flames-fan girlfriend at the time). In 2004, I was at the emotional rollercoaster game that was Game 6. In ecstasy, watching the Canucks go up 4-0 (and, to tell the truth, fearing for my life a little, with the ornery Flames fans around me), but also a bit of doubt, know the Canucks could blow it. Which they did. It was not an enjoyable place to be after the Flames tied it up. But, 3OTs later, when the Canucks won it to force game 7, it was one of the happiest moments of my life (mostly because I could rub my friends’ faces in the loss…didn’t last long).
Actually, I can’t believe a Canucks’ run to the Cup would be complete without a defeat of the Flames. So, come on Flames, make your run to 6th place so we can kick your ass (in the 2nd OT of Game 7 of the 1st round, ‘cause you know that’s is what would happen).
Thanks for the comment! Wow, that is epic that you’ve endured years of being a Nucks fan in Calgary. Good on ya! Must have been amazing being at those playoff games. My brother had a few good stories from watching the Canucks at the Saddledome or at bars. I went with him a few times to watch games at Bottoms Up – it’s a wicked sports bar.
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by nucksandpucks on Mar 28, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I SOOO disagree with you…it’s far too small a sample size to say that we have to play the flames to go to the finals. BTW, every time that has happened, the winning team didn’t win the cup. Just sayin… Also, nothing in the world beats the joy of saying to some arrogant flames fan “soooo…how’s iggy doing in the golf playoffs?”
My hate for the flames is much deeper than most of you guys…I’m an edmonton boy by birth. During the 80’s I lived in Red Deer, where they’d split the bars down the middle with tape and all red on one side, all blue on the other during those playoff series. The thing that made me actually hate calgary as opposed to just disliking them wasn’t even a flame…it was Steve Smith’s ignoble outlet pass off the back of Grant Fuhr’s foot and into the oiler net. I never hated smith for that like some did; fuhr skated into the path of the puck and even though it was an ill advised pass, it was just a slightly boneheaded play that got worse due to circumstances, and is really no ones fault…not unlike SOB’s clusterfuck last season. But because the flames went on from that, and I didn’t feel they deserved it, i could never stomach Calgary again.
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BTW, every time that has happened, the winning team didn’t win the cup. Just sayin
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by Sean Zandberg on Mar 29, 2010 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I stand corrected. I still maintain that four series isn’t enough to determine a required event.
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No, of course it’s not required. That makes no sense. BTW, Canucks lost to the Avs in round 1 in 1996 and the Avs won the Cup that year. It is strange coincidence though.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 29, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a bit of a trend
Off the top of my head, not including 1989/1996, Canucks have lost to the eventual Cup winner three times in recent years:
2006: Ducks, 2nd Round
2002: Red Wings, 1st Round
2001: Avalanche, 1st Round
Does the road to the Cup run through Vancouver? And is this a compliment (when they’re tough, hard-fought series) or an insult?
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by nucksandpucks on Mar 29, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
The only problem is none of those 3 series’ you mentioned were all that hard-fought. Well, they may have kinda fought hard…but the end results were 4,5 and 6 games series’ I believe.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 29, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t it be sweet if Vancouver could deliver the final knockout blow to the Flames 09-10 season?
Hell yeah! I’m still wishing that will happen
Im salivating.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Mar 29, 2010 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Because that would mean it was still in doubt! Which would be good for you Sean.
But it won’t be. That last game will feature backup goalies and Black Aces galore.
Fuck the Flames flickering playoff hopes. They are done like dinner. Over and out. Loooouuussserrrrrrs.
I love hearing the hatred and the origins. Here’s mine. In the late 80’s, I was living in Revelstoke. Being halfway between Vancouver and Calgary, there is a split in that town in the fandom choices.
In late ’88, a buddy of mine went to visit family, the highlight of the trip being a chance to cheer the Canucks versus the Flames in a regular season game.
He went wearing his Canuck jersey, with his older aunt (she was in her late 50’s. For that indignity, his aunt ( a Calgary native AND a Flames fan until that day. She is a Canuck fan to this day, he says…)…was pushed aside while some idiot Flames fan sucker punched him from behind.
For what? Cheering a Canuck goal. I was always a Canuck fan before, but watching my buddy recover from a broken jaw put that rivalry up much higher.
Geez…this is like the couch at the psych’s office…
OK yes…this hatred you have for zee fans of this other team, vhat do you think is zee reason…hmmmmm?
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Another managerial blunder was extending Stajan (4 years) after only a month in a Flames jersey. The contract wasn’t terrible (dollar-wise) but I found the timing pretty bizarre. Why not just wait until the off-season to fully judge him? I don’t think he’s the answer to be Iggy’s centerman.
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Just my opinion, but I think Stajan will be fine on line 1 or 2 at center in Calgary. I’ve watched him play since his rookie season and he’s good.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 28, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I guess he’s still young… He has been improving the past few years. I kind of think of him as a lesser Mason Raymond (except at centre) – fair upside, but has a ways to go to reach it.
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by nucksandpucks on Mar 28, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
Stajan is okay, but he’s not that good. None of the ex-Leafs they got are that good. Not bad players, but not guys you build a team around – they’re guys you plug into already solid rosters. Ian White is the only one of the bunch who I really like.
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by nucksandpucks on Mar 28, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes I like Ian White too.
A couple of my friends were bemoaning the cap hit of the Kesler extension. I simply replied, “Well, he’s not Matt Stajan, he should get more than him”.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Mar 29, 2010 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions
personally, i missed the whole rivalry in the 2004 playoffs. i actually don’t remember paying attention to those playoffs until calgary was in the finals against tampa. of course, being my ignorant 14-year-old self, that was the only time i have ever rooted for them.
i can’t remember what started my dislike for the flamers. probably during games we played against them these last couple years where they proved to be our biggest rival…
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by nucksandpucks on Mar 28, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
it was just not meant to be. A team with a maturing young core looking to redeem themselves after having been upset by Minnesota the previous year, but really never got a chance. Cloutier got hurt early yet Auld was not awful enough to force Burke to find a real goalie. Then Naslund got hurt and we don’t really need to remind ourselves about Bertuzzi. Nonis still believed in the group until they missed the playoffs two years later (one of them was the lockout year).
On behalf of all Caps fans in my nation’s capitol I apologize for not beating the Flames.
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The Capitals probably needed to remember what a regulation loss is, having only having three previous non-OTLs in 2010. You were due! I think the Flames have already torn holes in their ship, and this one game bail effort won’t be enough to stop the ship from sinking.
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by nucksandpucks on Mar 28, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the shoutout nucksandpucks!
I really do hope they tank for 50 years. Their misery brings me joy.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Mar 28, 2010 11:03 PM PDT reply actions
Canucks fans have to wish demise rather than sympathy for the Oilers and Flames. Their losses are our gains. Hell we play each of them 6 times per year! Those are valuable points.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 29, 2010 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I INVITE YOU ALL TO JOIN ME IN GLORIOUS SCHADENFREUDE!
JOIN ME
YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO.
THE SCHADENFREUDE IS MAGNIFICENT.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Mar 28, 2010 11:04 PM PDT reply actions
The Flames over the past few years are the example of how a Canadian hockey market can ruin a team. Sutter has kept him fan base happy with big trades and FA signings but it has come at the expense of long term vision and a true identity for this franchise. The result has been some regular season success but a complete lack of anything when it comes to the playoffs.
The other shoe has finally dropped this year and it has forced Sutter to make some desperation moves to once again try and sneak into the playoffs. The Flames now have a very weak farm system, a cap-heavy team, and almost everyone on the team has a No Movement Clause (including Kotalik) making it very hard to make changes.
The silver lining for most teams when they miss the playoffs is that you get a high draft pick as a result (see Hodgson a couple seasons ago for the Nucks). But with the boneheaded trade with Pheonix the Flames won’t be drafting until the 4th round this year.
As a Vancouver fan I feel no sympathy for the team or its fans as they bought into Sutters plan to build his team through trades/FA’s and you heard very little criticism until this year when things began falling apart. (The Score actually predicted the Flamers to win the Cup this season)
Since the lockout most of the teams failings have been blamed on coaching (they have had 3 coaches since the lockout) and its now become aparent that maybe the GM is the one who needs to bear some blame. If this is the end of the line for the Sutters and the Flames I do not envy the new management group as this teams future is in jeopardy.
Well Said
And it makes me appreciate the prudence of Nonis and now Gillis at the past few deadlines – avoiding taking on big contracts and mortgaging the future just to make the playoffs, maybe win a round. Your point about coaching is also good, and I like that Gillis has given AV a chance to make his mark on the team. I think that (usually) the best franchises have some continuity with their coaching staff* and bring in guys that buy into that style of play.
- 3 of 4 Conference Finalists last season being a notable exception
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by nucksandpucks on Mar 29, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel (or, more accurately, believe) I should cheer for any Canadian team that gets far in the playoffs, but 2004, 06 & 07 proved that I simply can’t.
Each of those Great White North finalists was a team that, for one reason or another, I have a hate-on for. (Oilers goes back to the 80s; Ottawa to the fans, who I find facile and really easy to loathe; Flamers is bloody obvious.) And the hate does not go away, however much my Duty as a Canadian tries to make it.
I was so happy to see all three of those losses. That penalty against Calgary in the last minute of Game 7! That Chris Phillips own-goal! Happy moments, in a sick and bitter way…
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The problem with cheering for a Canadian team in the playoffs is if they win then you have to hear about it for the next 50 years. We won a cup and you never have blah blah blah. I would rather no Canadian team ever wins it just to shut up Flamer and Coiler fans. Plus who cares where the team that wins it is based? Most of the players are Canadian anyway. The cup spends most of it’s summer in Canada.
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by Section 312 on Mar 29, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
If the Canucks win the cup, it’s likely to spend the entire summer in Sweden being passed around between the Sedins, cuz who the hell could take it away from them?
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by casual on Mar 29, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…cheering for a team because they’re canadian makes no sense to me in the NHL. It’s a city based league with an international cast of players. You want to cheer for Canada, we have the worlds, jr’s, and olympics for that. It’s absolutely assinine to me that you would cheer for your biggest rival just because they’re Canadian. Do you think for a minute that a Caps or Flyers fan would cheer for Pittsburg to win the cup over Vancouver because “the penguins are an american team”.
In my opinion, which is often wrong and maybe here but yer not going to change it, hoping for any Canadian team to win over teams you actually respect is ridiculous.
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There are 24 U.S. teams, so cheering for a U.S. team simply because they’re a U.S. team would be like rooting for a specific sumo wrestler because he’s Japanese.
Wholesome, patriotic Canadians do exist who always want to see one of our sextet beat the odds and win the Cup, and I don’t think it’s an entirely stupid impulse. (Even though we all know there’s no correlation between a team’s geographic base and its roster.)
Among these Canadians is Stompin’ Tom Connors, who took heck during a live appearance in Ottawa by telling the crowd to support the Leafs, who had just eliminated the Sens. “Look, people,” he basically said, “I know it’s hard, but we’ve got to bring this thing back to Canada.”
Anyway, some prissy Ron McLean-esque corner of my brain does feel I’m letting down the side when I cheer against the last remaning northern squad. But hatred wins the day and I do it anyway.
(I should qualify that it’s only teams I hate I cheer against. I would cheer for Montreal if they faced anyone other than the Canucks. I liked the Nordiques in their final year, and never developed much hatred for the Jets, despite the Smythe rivalry. Got nothing against the Quebec Bulldogs or Toronto St. Pats, for that matter.)
"He'll play, you know he'll play. He'll play on crutches if he has to... and he'll play at Madison Square Garden on Tuesday night! This game is over!"
Sorry, Gahhhh!, I didn’t really address your point in my reply there.
I think the Cheer-for-Canadians-Always gang are espousing it not because of the players but because of the fans. A Canadian Cup win means approximately one-sixth (way more in the case of the Leafs or Habs) of Canadian hockey fans get to be happy.
"He'll play, you know he'll play. He'll play on crutches if he has to... and he'll play at Madison Square Garden on Tuesday night! This game is over!"
That’s a ridiculous argument.
First of all probably more than 1/6 of Canadian hockey fans don’t support a Canadian team. I have friends who are Hawks fans, Pens fans, Rangers fans, Flyers fans, Bruins fans and more. I even know a Lightning fan. Because when they were growing up those were the teams that they saw on TV or they had players who drew fans towards them like Orr or Lemeiux or I guess even Lecavalier. So it doesn’t matter which team wins the Cup there are fans all over North America who will be happy they won. We ALL know that the reason people in Canada cheer for other Canadian teams in the Playoffs is for one reason. And you hear this ALL the time when there is one Canadian team left. They say they want the Canadian team to win so the Cup can come “home” “where it belongs” or some such nonsense. The doesn’t belong to anyone or any country or any city. It “belongs” to hockey fans all over the world who see it as a symbol of all the things that make Hockey such a wonderful sport. Determination, toughness, skill, fortitude, teamwork, sacrifice and more.
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by Section 312 on Mar 29, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
The doesn’t belong to anyone or any country or any city
should say The Cup doesn’t belong to anyone or any country or any city.
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by Section 312 on Mar 29, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Regardless of the precise math, the Cheer-for-Canada people (let’s call them CFCs, in honour of the environmentally corrosive substance) would probably defend their sentiment as fan- rather than player-based, and would say there’s generally more joy among Canadian hockey fans when a Canadian team wins. I guess. If we asked them.
(Not only are the CFCs overlooking your point, 312, but they’re also not taking into account the seething misery of, say, Flamers fans if Vancouver wins. The CFCs don’t understand that kind of hatred.)
Geez, I can’t believe I’ve somehow contorted myself to being the apologist for the CFCs. My whole point was that I’m not one of them!
Regardless of what their motivation is, or how misguided their reasoning, CFCs exist. And, however stupidly, their ideas poisoned just a teeny corner of my conscience. Which, come crunch time, I’ve found impossible to obey.
And you guys are very convincingly helping to vanquish any remaining iota of CFC guilt! Much appreciated.
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The CFCers probably don’t realize that in a place like say, Chicago, there are 9.8 million people in the metro area. Even if only 10% of those people are hockey fans that is still 1 million people who are happy when the Hawks win the Cup. Not to mention other Hawks fans all over North America. I hate to say it but that’s probably roughly equivalent to the number of Oiler or Flames fans in North America.
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by Section 312 on Mar 29, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Meanwhile, I think a ton of Maritime Canadians are Bruins fans (and, with the rise of Sidney Crosby, the Penguins too must have a substantial following).
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Sorry, but I’m waving my CFC flag high and proud. I want the Cup back in Canada. People have their reasons for rooting for whatever team they want. Fine, and I have my reasons for cheering on whomever in the Final. If it turns out to be Calgary, Ottawa, or (god forbid), Toronto, so be it.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
Why do you want the cup back in Canada?
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by Section 312 on Mar 29, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish I could explain it better, but to me, it just feels right. Maybe it’s the generation I’m from, maybe it’s because I remember a time when the NHL was more Canadian-centric, maybe it’s because I’m more like Don Cherry than I thought, I don’t know. All I know is I have to be true to myself, and that means if the Canucks aren’t lifting the Cup, then make it a Canadian team. Any Canadian team.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
Why do you want the cup back in Canada?
Why did you cheer for Canada at the Olympics? Same reason.
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Come on casual that makes ZERO sense. I cheer for Canada at the Olympics because I am Canadian and I like to see Canadian athletes doing well.
What does that have to do with where the team that wins the cup comes from? The Cup doesn’t belong to us and it doesn’t need to come “home” and most of the athletes that win the Cup or the majority anyway are Canadian.
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by Section 312 on Mar 30, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
If it turns out to be Calgary, Ottawa, or (god forbid), Toronto, so be it.
That’s generally my thinking as well. But..I wasn’t cheering for Calgary against Tampa so much…so I’m not as hardcore.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 29, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I cheered Ottawa v Anaheim, I cheered Calgary v Tampa Bay and I cheered Edmonton v Carolina. I don’t go out and buy all the merch for these teams, because my support IS only temporary, but as each finals started, I would invariably find myself pulling for the Canadian team.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
i cheered for calgary and ottawa, but not for edmonton. rod brindamour (carolina’s team captain at the time) was from my hometown, so we wanted the Cup to come there.
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GO CANUCKS GO!
Sorry, but i just can’t get my head around that. You’re either a fan of a team or you’re not. Temporary fandom is the domain of the Olympics and the Worlds. As I said before, I’d much rather see a team like Chicago or Pittsburg win than Calgary or even Toronto (who I don’t despise nearly as much but still don’t like), because at least in my mind those are good hockey teams. Edmonton, Ottawa, even Montreal I can cheer for. And Phoenipeg. But no Calgary, ever. If it came down to (and it never could unless the conferences changed) Edmonton vs Chicago for the cup, i’d be torn who to cheer for.
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well, you see, when the canucks aren’t in the playoffs and i’m watching the other teams play, i can’t help but want a particular team to win the Cup. there’s nothing wrong with that, is there?
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Nothing wrong with that at all.
I am not ashamed to say I did cheer for the same three teams as Smo above.
Though the support for the Flames was flickering, to say the least.
I get the Canadian team thing, because it is popular too. Go to a bar during the Cup finals in Vancouver when the Canucks aren’t in it. If there is a Canadian team…that is the one that gets the lion’s share of the cheering.
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Me too
I always find a reason to cheer for a team. Whether it was setting aside my hate of the Avalanche for the greater good of seeing Ray Bourque win a cup, or jumping on the Penguins bandwagon last year (actually the Pens are probably my second favourite team anyway), I’m always going to find a reason to root for someone.
Just not Calgary.
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by nucksandpucks on Mar 30, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I cheered for Ottawa when they were in the Finals.
But thats only because Im from Ottawa and they’re my second favourite team.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Mar 30, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
my main reason for cheering for Ottawa was because i was bitter about Anaheim kicking Vancouver out of the playoffs in the 2nd round.
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I would rather lose to the eventual Champs myself.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
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by Section 312 on Mar 30, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, N&P!
Wyshinski just linked your story in todays Puck Daddy. Way to go.
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Awesome, I got a shoutout by proxy.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Mar 29, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Sweet
Wonder if that’ll bring any Calgary fans into this discussion?
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by nucksandpucks on Mar 29, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
not only that, it’s a feature story for SBN today if you look at the bottom of the right sidebar on this page. Great work!
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 29, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks Sean. I’m just happy that I get to share my Microsoft Paint “photo editing” skills with the world.
(Jokes)
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by nucksandpucks on Mar 29, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
with the rest, but trading Phanoops was the right move, but should have been done in the summer when they got JaBo, then they could have hung on to Cammaleri,
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
Good point
…and how much better off would they have been had they done that.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
Much better off.
I love how Cammo plays.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Mar 29, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
As a Flames fan
I want them to miss the play-offs as well… they sneak in, Sutter will not take near as big of a hit in the trust from ownership as he would if they miss out. The team is a mess, and I honestly expect them to start regressing back towards the mid to late 90’s and early 00’s squads they used to roll out.
Iginla will likely have a choice to make in about two years, one that is between staying in this quagmire mess that he still seems to love, or going elsewhere to try and win a cup. In that sole instance, I could cheer for the Canucks, as him having a shot at a cup (assuming van city remains solid) would outweigh any hatred I have for a rival like Vancouver.
Man…I like when even a Flames fan would like to see Iggy in Vancouver!
(Pipe dream we know…the Flames would never deal him in division…would they?)
"I’m not asking for first-line money or top six money," Burrows said. "I don’t think it changes anything. I still consider myself a checker. That’s what I think I am first. That’s how I want to be paid. "If I can generate offence once in a while, I think it’s a plus for the team." Alex Burrows...Mar/09
if Sutter is still at the helm
anything incredibly stupid is possible. However, I would not like to see him in Vancouver at all, but if that is where he was to go I would grin and hold down my bile while cheering for him to get a Cup.























