Wednesday Morning Coffee- What was that? This is NOT a chawade...
by Kent Basky on Mar 24, 2010 7:14 AM PDT
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What was that? This is not a chawade. We need total concentwation. (Taking a deep breath) More than that, we need leadership. We need to know that this game did not have bright sides or positives. We need to know there was yelling and much breaking of sticks in the dressing room. I don't want to heat "on any given night.." talk. That is for losers. If this team can't rise and beat a team of NHL 3rd and 4th liners and AHLers, how exactly are we to believe they can do anything in the post season?
Think I am being a little harsh? Too bad. This Oilers team is infinitely worse than the one we lost to earlier in the year. I am sick of the no shows. I am sick of the lack of passion. There are 9 games left, this team should be playing playoff hockey NOW. Instead we got treated to something we've seen far too often: a joke of a performance that made a shitty team look better. Enough already.
The Anaheim Ducks are hardly going to be easy after losing last night. They'll be pissed off and looking to take it out on a Canucks team they always seem to get the better of. And they know it too. So you know they'll be at their douchebaggy best, looking to disrupt and disturb, and get the Canucks off their game and right where the Ducks want them.
You can call me a bandwagoner all you want. That term is about as overused on the internet as the word 'Epic'. I refuse to make excuses for a team that continues to not play up to its potential. I expect to see the defense play like they have against other teams, limiting chances to the outside and not getting walked around like they're pylons. I expect to see the top line play like a top line, because it's been weeks since they have. I expect to see 60 minutes of effort, and honestly I am sickened that at this time of year I have to ask for that. And... I want to see Roberto Luongo on the bench tonight. Even though I thought he should have sat last night, I want Andrew Raycroft to go in tonight and battle. It's obvious something's up with Luongo, so rest him, as the next two games are huge.
No breakfast for you
A lot of the anticipated matchups last night turned out to be jokes, didn't they? Boston shutting out Atlanta, Chicago shutting out Phoenix and Ottawa shutting out the Flyers. Phoenix's win streak snapped, and they looked downright normal against the Hawks last night. Atlanta made Boston look good, and Ottawa was full value in their win over Philadelphia.
There's a few big games tonight: Sid and Ovie going head to head again, The Rangers trying to get back into a playoff spot against the Islanders (in 3-D no less), and LA taking on Colorado (without Darcy Tucker, who got a 1 game suspension for being a dirty douche bag). The Red Wings are using their game in hand on the Flames tonight and can go back to being 4 points ahead of the Calgary with a win. That would also move them into a tie for points with the Avalanche. Yeah, be worried.
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I’ll call it a little excessive. Edmonton has the luxury of just going out and playing hockey with zero pressure on them right now. Makes things a helluva lot easier. Their past week and the dispatcing of 2 other top western teams demonstrates that.
I worked and could only listen (we only seem to lose when I have to work nights), but was going through the highlights when I got home, so take that as you will.
Luongo looked like a Leaf goalie. Deslauriers looked like someone other than Deslauriers.
I’m more inclined to call it a hiccup, due to the fact I’ve been very happy with the way they’ve been playing. The losing to bottom tier teams thing sucks, but not a movie we haven’t seen before (not saying we should just accept it as the way it is). They turn it arouund tonight and all is forgiven from my end.
Separately, I would love to see a Philly / Ottawa series. There is some pure, unadulterated hate there right now.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
Man, if Deslauriers can stay hot like that for any period of time, the Oil could make some serious noise in the…oh, right.
From C&B’s postgame:
What the hell was that? Mason Raymond had six shots, Kyle Wellwood deked us into next week, we were outshot 33-22 and I’m certain the scoring chance numbers were a lot more lopsided than that… well, we looked like a thirtieth-place team playing in what was allegedly our home rink but where all the ritzy business types who sit in the lower bowl just to be seen had sold their tickets to jeering fair-weather Canucks fans…
Shit happens. I think Lu could use a bunch of rest between now and the Ploffs. We have at worst a 3-point cushion on the Avs, so hopefully Vig gives him some serious time off.
I love the way C & B can’t say Canucks fans without that little prefix. Pot, meet kettle.
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Funny I was thinking exactly that last night when I read their post game wrap up. I almost commented, but I don’t necessarily like to comment negatively on other boards, unless its the flames board cuz, well, its the flames.
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heh, well, they’re upset. but i was trying to emphasize their view of the game: that the canucks generally kicked them up and down the ice, and that the unbelievable reality that Deslauriers>>>Luongo was the first, second and third reason why los Coilers won last night.
by Passive Voice on Mar 24, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow…Love how we all assume giving lu the night off means a loss. Believe me I’ve never had and still really don’t have alot of faith in Raycroft, but I still believe we can beat Anaheim with him in net no problem.
First of all, AV probably went all Steve Balmer on them last night or today, and will be uh…gently advising the defense to suck less. And the forwards too, although as someone else mentioned some of them seemed better defensively than the defense did. Secondly most teams seem to offer their back up slightly better defensive coverage and really limit the quality of shots the opponents get; we’re no different. And thirdly if I was any canuck not named Wellwood, Raymond or Kesler, I’d be somewhat embarrassed about my performance last night, and want to come out to play hard. Performances like last night should be good for team development….should be.
Funny thing is, as bad as we were, the Oilers really were worse. Their goalie massively outplayed our goalie, and that was the difference. To me last nite’s game looked like how the Oilers/Leafs game from not too long ago should have looked…29th and 30th place teams battling out for suckage supremacy, and which ever goaltender sucked harder would lose.
There have been a few games this season where I’ve been pissed off at the Canucks afterwards for not even approaching the same postal code as their potential. This was one of them. I did think the Burrdins looked awesome for ONE SHIFT, but other than that really brought mediocrity to new heights. A few years ago the Sedins used to always piss me off cuz they’d do this “pass pass pass pass pass lose the puck chase back to our end” thing…last nite they did that wonderfully.
Bah!
"Hope you like pancakes, Norway..." Morgan Freeman
"you'll be playing in england the rest of your career" Sir Alex Burrows
Here’s a look at Luongo’s SV% based on the shots he faces.
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Yes
That is how some goaltenders are, and certainly Lu has always been one as evidenced by the stupid amount of rubber he faced in FLA.
This is why I’ve said before, open it up, let the horses run and go on offense, but also why I thought of Lu’s claims of this year the team not being conservative enough causing his numbers to drop as pure deflecting BS.
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
You’re right, the number suggest otherwise. It also helps explain why Vancouver shits the sheets when they face the basement dwellers since they’re probably getting 25 or fewer shots against.
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 24, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
One thing
that bothers me about those numbers though is that, iirc Curtis Joseph was another such goaltender…
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
i’d be surprised if that didn’t go for most goalies.
by Passive Voice on Mar 24, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
The best of the best
don’t seem to care, Roy, Brodeur, Hasek, Belfour, those guys played great regardless, and always seemed to make the timely saves, if they did let in a bad one it was rarely more than 1 and was usually made up for and then some.
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
Roberto Luongo 2009/10 2.48 GAA
Martin Brodeur 2005/06 2.57 GAA
Dominic Hasek 1995/96 2.83 GAA
Ed Belfour 1995/96 2.74 GAA 2006/06 3.29 GAA
Patrick Roy 1995/96 2.68 GAA <—-stanley cup winner…
Point being? Any goalie has a section where they’re not playing their best. For these particular stats I tried not to pick early or late years in the career, other than Brodeur, but that was when he was on the top of his game anyways…
It’s easy to remember all the good saves a particular goalie made, but even the best let in some stinkers and have a lower season. I’m not excusing Luongo’s play of late in any way, but if you throw out a blanket statement that other elite goalies never faltered, it’s patently incorrect.
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"you'll be playing in england the rest of your career" Sir Alex Burrows
First of all
GAA is not a great indicator of goaltender performance.
Second and more importantly I never made that statement at all. If you follow the discussion along it was never my point that those great goaltenders never faltered or never had an off season, all surely did, and in fact I can point to specific examples for each.
The point of the discussion was whether all goaltenders played better when facing lots of shots, and that’s what I was referring to, those goaltenders I mentioned played great both when facing lots of shots and when facing few, no not every game, but certainly both for teams that allowed plenty of shots against and those that didn’t, aside perhaps for Brodeur who’s probably never played for a very weak defensive team.
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
I don’t get the continual pounding on Lui. Regardless of the teams that Roy, Brodeur et al played for, it is an unfair level you seem to place on this one goalie.
Why is that? He is the best goaltender that has been here in a long time. I realize I am opening a whole can of whoopass here yoata, and that isn’t my intent. I am just asking questions respectfully from a differing viewpoint ( please don’t call me names for it, OK?)
But for all the time…and I will give you props for being consistent, but for all the time you have spent haranguing on him, you have never really said why.
Don’t give me all this “greasy haired this”…and "throws his teammates under the bus "( did you SEE the interviews with him last night? What more do you want for a mea culpa? ) Thats what others get frustrated with, my friend, it seem unnatural, and all out of proportion to the game, or the situation, or even the player
I might point out that the dislike you have for this player is manifested quite often with you describing him with words like “arrogant”, and worse.
That is you projecting that on him. Apart from the common arrogance that ALL players have, by nature of getting to the NHL…I just dont see it. He seems so much more friendly and joking with the media. And the media everywhere are not known for being amenable sometimes.
I don’t understand myself the putting of him up on the cross…but that is your opinion, and you are welcome to it.
The thing is, by the very nature of the game, and the position, people are going to score.
Usually the goals come from a mistake. Thats the breaks of the game we all love.
No goalie in the history of the game is going to stop them all, and they all have had slumps, and let in bad goals. Every name on that list.
The constant negativity to this one player makes this reader doubt your “hockey commentator” status on other things. To each his own though. I don’t doubt that you feel the same way about my “wizardly” status as well. ;-)
Thats all I am sayin’
Peace
"I’m not asking for first-line money or top six money," Burrows said. "I don’t think it changes anything. I still consider myself a checker. That’s what I think I am first. That’s how I want to be paid. "If I can generate offence once in a while, I think it’s a plus for the team." Alex Burrows...Mar/09
Pounding?
Could you provide examples?
I commend him when he plays well, and criticize when he plays poorly, like any other player, and like some others here.
The only thing I’ve continually pointed out is that he doesn’t accept his own responsibility in losses very well, and if you check other posts I’ve made here today, I commended him for finally doing so after last night, but it has been rare and often accompanied by excuses aimed at his teammates play. And that is the main problem I’ve had with him, especially being the supposed captain of the team, aside from that I think he choked against Chicago last year and that’s the farthest he’s been now at age 30.
That, my friend, is the why and I have said it many times, but just like with Gillis and AV, you seem to ignore the why, I can only guess because that way you can also ignore the criticism.
That doesn’t give me a ton of hope for his ability to perform under pressure, although the Oly gold does give me more confidence but I’m not sold yet, would love nothing more than for him to put that doubt to bed though.
Like Gillis and AV, some here seem to have complete blinders when it comes to seeing not just the positives but the also the negatives of members of the Canuck organization, and I think that goes for Lu, Wellwould, and others, and that makes me doubt their “hockey commentator” status.
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
fair enough!
"I’m not asking for first-line money or top six money," Burrows said. "I don’t think it changes anything. I still consider myself a checker. That’s what I think I am first. That’s how I want to be paid. "If I can generate offence once in a while, I think it’s a plus for the team." Alex Burrows...Mar/09
Great find
Would love to find the source on there to compare against other goalies. I would imagine you would find a lot more of the same, though.
30-35 spg is probably the sweet spot for most goalies. Usually just kept busy throughout the game keeps you loose.
The 25-29 is probably the most disconcerting to me. Anything under 25 is actually a tough game to keep your head into as it normally requires having to make saves after sitting around doing nothing for minutes at a time.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
Fucking hell...
new cbc article seems to imply that Luongo is starting tonight
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/03/24/sp-ducks-canucks-preview.html?ref=rss
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Hrmm…I thought AV already stated Lu for Edmonton and Raycroft for Anaheim…its why everyone here got their panties in a twist for having it backwards. I’m gonna go with “cbc has it wrong” until I hear different.
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Left wing lock has no confirmation yet and they’re very reliable. Although they do have Luongo penciled in.
Sean and Mike, you guys might want to look at linking to that site, as I’ve noticed a few other SBN blogs listed there.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
Thanks, I’ve added them under “general”. At some point we’ll clean up the blog links since I think a few are outdated.
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 24, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
ctv is saying no starter has been named yet
and Sean, can you add my blog to the blogroll?
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or Mike
sheesh… I need more coffee
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Sure, what's the URL?
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 24, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
If I had to guess… http://waachcast.blogspot.com :D
by Passive Voice on Mar 24, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Hahahaha
Sorry, that had me laughing out loud at work and busted by a fellow staff member.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
You don’t expect me to read things do you? I’m a blogger for christ sakes. I can barely…hey, shiny thing!
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 24, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I am going to be honest I thought the Canucks played pretty well last night. I mean, the Oilers scored 3 goals and not one of them should ever go in on an NHL goalie let alone one as good as Luongmortal. And on top of that the Canucks dominated possession, shots, scoring chances and Deslauries or whatever his name is stood on his head. I still think you have to find a way to beat that team based on where they are in the standings but they did just finish beating Detroit and dominating the Sharks so they must be playing well right now. I thought we dominated the game and our goalie let us down.
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by Section 312 on Mar 24, 2010 10:17 AM PDT reply actions
Absolutely
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
Agreed
We’ll be fine.
Oh yeah, and Seabrook is a faker, and Wiz is awesome. :)
Sorry Section, couldn’t resist. Still laughing from Passive.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
It’s OK Jevant it’s all in the past. Hey what year was it when Sidney Crosby played in the Memorial Cup again?
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by Section 312 on Mar 24, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Hahahaha.
I must be in a giggly mood today.
2005. And he LOST IT.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
Yeah but that’s all anyone remembers about that year. Nothing else of note happened at that Mem Cup.
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by Section 312 on Mar 24, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Breaking
Canucks sign 2008 draft pick Prab Rai
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http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=522554&cmpid=canucks-twt-vancanucks
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when asked if he’ll ever make the NHL, eightyseven said “Prabrai”.
by Passive Voice on Mar 24, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I Rec’d this because it caused me to actually laugh out loud. I’m not sure it wasn’t racist but for now it’s funny.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 24, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Aw shucks.
/literaLOL
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
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by eightyseven on Mar 24, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
A few negatives last night, but one shining positive from recent games – the play of Kyle Wellwood. When did he turn into Pavel Bure?! His return to form bodes well for the playoffs, especially when combined with the expected return of Demitra and Samuelsson. That should give us three genuine scoring lines which will hopefully provide plenty of goals and negate the odd Luongo clanger.
by British Canuck on Mar 24, 2010 11:13 AM PDT reply actions
The Oilers didn’t play that well last night either, giving Pudge a lot of room to get creativity (which is one of his strengths). I can’t imagine playoff bound teams will give him that much room.
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 24, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
True, but in general he’s looked a lot better since the Olympic break. His return to form has made the 3rd line look more potent, and that will be important come playoff time.
by British Canuck on Mar 24, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
you’re right, he has been getting better. that said I think (ironically) he and Raycroft are in the same boat: auditioning now for a job on another team next season. i can’t see either being back with the projections of some of the pipeline guys. Unless Schneider is moved at the draft and then maybe Razor stays.
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 24, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
My friend would rather see Rai packaged to pull an Ehrhoff trade for Versteeg.
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
is your friend going to share the drugs he or she is smoking? why in the h-e-double hockey sticks would we trade ehrhoff?
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Uh, refer to Jevant’s comment.
I meant like a salary dump trade LIKE Ehrhoff’s.
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
by eightyseven on Mar 24, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I did
:p
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And friend was a she.
/uselessinfo
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
by eightyseven on Mar 24, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
refer to my post
:p
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I know XD
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
by eightyseven on Mar 24, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Can we all agree that:
“Pulling an Ehrhoff” forevermore refers to taking advantage of another team’s cap trouble to land a talented player for less than full value?
We could even shorten it to “Pulling an Ehr” or “Pulling a Hoff”.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
thinking about that trade sure makes me want to pull one ’off.
by Passive Voice on Mar 24, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
In favour.
“Pull off a Hoff.” Rolls off the tongue.
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
by eightyseven on Mar 24, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Rai packaged to pull an Ehrhoff trade for Versteeg
I read that to manner “Use Rai to obtain Versteeg in a similar manner to when we helped the Sharks with their cap problems”.
I don’t think that meant “get rid of Ehrhoff”.
Just my guess.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
I just thought keeping Rai would provide Wellwood a stable secondary butter chicken hookup.
Since he’s turned into Mr. Dangle lately.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
Double the naan.
Man, I wanna make some butter chicken nao.
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
by eightyseven on Mar 24, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I missed the joke. I have naan bread with my butter chicken all the time. =/
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
by eightyseven on Mar 24, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
If you're offering to cook
Make me up some too. And maybe some for Kyle.
Samosas would be great too.
Shit, now I’m hungry.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
I am referring to the ‘any team is capable of beating any team’ ‘new NHL parity’ garbage. there are some teams you should beat. no excuses. that was last night.
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Yes, very understandable.
And my previous comment was in jest, but I think we have to accept that even when the Canucks are playing well there can be nights when a subpar team will win. Even the most dominant teams in NHL history have lost games to cellar-dwellers like the Oilers.
Just a thought
It seems to me that whenever the nuckleheads play a significantly inferior team they fall asleep and Luongo has a terrible game. I think he should sit out all games against the bottom 6-10 teams in the league. That would give him periodic breaks from playing and keep the guys sharp because they know that Louie isn’t in net behind them.
Of the coaching staff should do their jobs and have the guys ready to play?
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
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by Section 312 on Mar 24, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Of =Or
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 24, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
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