Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Dissecting Nick Diaz's Positive Drug Test

Steals and Late Bloomers

A recent post discussed the opinion that recent re-signee Ryan Kesler was the steal of the 2003 draft.  I found it a bit difficult to call anyone from the first round an actual "steal", given that those players were assumed to have the strongest change of making an impact in the NHL.  More accurately, anyone who was selected far below their expected draft position, then made an impact more in tune with previous expectations would be considered "steals"...

But looking that up would take way, WAY too much work for my lazy ass.

So who, among current players, are the lucky strikes?  I've looked through all the drafts from 2009 back to see who is currently the best players grabbed using the "Here's the remainders, where are my darts?" technique, trying to make a full team of them (13 forwards, 7 defence, 3 goalies), limiting myself to the sixth round and later.

Star-divide

Before I started, I was expecting to see goalies and defencemen heavily weighted in my choices: they generally take longer to develop, and more teams seem to be comfortable taking a flutter on someone that thy might not see for another five years.  Also, each time the league expands, the later the draft goes.  A seventh round pick in 1990, for instance, could be the 127th player picked; whereas in 2009 that player's at position 182.  So I expected the majority of players on this list would be from earlier years.

 

I also made a half team (6 forwards, 3 defence 1 goalie) of undrafted players, just because I haven't wasted enough time on this yet.  The NHL limited themselves to seven rounds of drafting as of 2005, and only went 9 deep from 1995, so I expected the number of undrafted players making the team to have started their careers fairly recently.

Let's see if my suspicions were borne out:

 

Team Late Bloomers:

Forwards:

Centre: Craig Conroy

Drafted 6th round (123rd over all) in 1990 by Montreal.  Playing mostly as a penalty killer in Calgary today, has had a bunch of injury trouble this year.  Flames were hoping for 40 points, but he won't hit twenty.

Centre: Antti Miettinen

Drafted 7th round (224th over all) in 2000 by Dallas. Good two-way forward; not overly physical, but will get 40 points as a checker.  Has 37 points in 68 games with Dallas.

Forward (anywhere): Pavol Demitra

Drafted 9th round (227th over all)  in 1993 by Ottawa.  Still expected to be a scoring forward, got 53 points in 69 games last season, and massive injury time this one.  Not what Vancouver wanted, but there you are.

Right Wing: Mike Grier

Drafted 9th round (219th over all) in 1993 by St. Louis.  Used mostly as a defencive forward, plays balls-out every shift.  Has 19 points in 60 games this season for Buffalo.

Forward (anywhere): Henrik Zetterberg

Drafted 7th round (210th over all) in 1999 by Detroit.  Well, duh.

Winger (either side): Tom Kostopoulos

Drafted 7th round (204th over all) in 1999 by Pittsburgh. A solid defender who can chip in once in a while and is looked to for leadership.  Has 19 points in 70 games with Carolina.

Winger (either side): Andrew Brunette

Drafted 7th round (174th over all) in 1993 by Washington.  Consistent, healthy 20-goal man,  Only average speed, but he's got good finish.  Has 53 points in 70 games with Minnesota so far.

Winger (either side): Tomas Holmstrom

Drafted 10th round (257th over all) in 1994 by Detroit.  Garbage goal specialist, has 20 goals with Detroit this season, and none for them from more than ten feet away (probably).

Left Wing: Steve Sullivan

Drafted 9th round (233rd over all) in 1994 by New Jersey.  Classic "water bug" style player: quick and small.  Occasionally squished like one, too, leading to a history of injuries.  Has 43 points in 71 games with Nashville so far.

Left Wing: Matt Cooke

Drafted 6th round (144th over all) in 1997 by Vancouver.  Plays on, across, through and all around "the line".  Good speed, and manages to draw as many penalties as he takes.  Good for around 30 points and enraged opponents.

Right Wing: Daniel Alfredsson

Drafted 6th round (133rd over all) in 1994 by Ottawa.  Point-per-game career isn't letting up with 56 points in 59 games so far this season; he never lets up either, leading to niggling injuries since his second season.

Centre: Sammy Pahlsson

Drafted 7th round (176th over all) in 1996 by Colorado.  Shut down forward and solid face-off man.  The only problem being he can't score, and the opponent's top line is on the ice a lot.  Eleven points in 68 games with Columbus this season.

Winger (either side): Martin Erat

Drafted 7th round (191th over all) in 1999 by Nashville.  Not so much a fast skater as a very quick one: quick moves, tough to hit, wicked shot.  Has 46 points in 64 games with Nashville.

 

Defence:

Willie Mitchell

Drafted 8th round (199th over all) in 1996 by New Jersey. Loves playing the shut-down guy to the opponents best forwards.  Can't pass, mediocre shot which he tries any way.  History of injury trouble, concussed right now, has 12 points and is a +13 in 48 games so far in Vancouver.

Andrei Markov

Drafted 6th round (162nd over all) in 1998 by Montreal. As 28 points in 34 games might tell you, a very good offensive defenseman.  Good point shot and can carry the puck well.

Douglas Murray

Drafted 8th round (241st over all) in 1999 by San Jose.  Huge, bruising play who loves his job.  Such a solid defenseman that he doesn't like goals at either end of the ice (maybe it's the colour red?).  Has 13 points in 68 games.

Pavel Kubina

Drafted 7th round (179th over all) in 1996 by Tampa Bay.  Great size, good shot, lousy wheels.  Has 37 points in 69 games with Atlanta.

Tomas Kaberle

Drafted 8th round (204th over all) in 1996 by Toronto. Good awareness of the play, makes great passes, is sad the "rover" position is no longer in hockey.  Has 47 points in 71 games with Toronto.

Stephane Robidas

Drafted 7th round (164th over all) in 1995 by Montreal.  Solid all around player, discovered an offensive touch late in his career.  Has 10 goals and 38 points with Dallas this year.

Mark Streit

Drafted 9th round (262nd over all) in 2004 by Montreal.  Huge shot and can carry the attack very well.  Not the best protecting the puck, but gets it on net hard and fast.  Has 39 points in 71 games with Long Island.

Goaltenders:

Henrik Lundqvist

Drafted 7th round (205th over all) in 2000 by Manhattan. Having his worst season in the NHL; of course, in his case that's a .918 save percentage and a 2.47 goals against in 62 games.

Goaltender: Tomas Vokoun

Drafted 9th round (226 over all) by Montreal.  Unpredictable to friends and foes alike, that usually works in his favour.  Has a .928 save percentage in 58 games for Florida this year.

Goaltender: Evgeni Nabokov

Drafted 9th round (219th over all) in 1994 by San Jose.  Has played for San Jose his NHL entire career, and has yet to be blamed for their early playoff exits (for good reason).  Has 37 wins in 61 games so far.

There's obviously going to be a lot of players missing from the list - it was especially deep at defence - so go ahead and sing out if you think there's someone that should be on but isn't.  Just don't forget to mention who they replace!

 

So, what's Team Undrafted look like?  It starts out strong, I must say:

Team Undrafted:

Forwards:

Winger (either side): Martin St. Louis

Signed by Calgary in 1998.  Has 82 points in 70 games so far in Tampa Bay.  Six of his 24 goals are game winners.  So much for "too small".

Winger (either side): Dustin Penner

Signed by Anaheim in 2004.  Has 26 goals in 71 games on a desperate Edmon team.  Definitely NOT "too small" in any way that matters to fans.

Winger (either side): Alexandre Burrows

Signed by Vancouver in 2003.  Having his third year of declining penalty minutes and increasing point production.  A frequent linemate of the Sedin twins, but an excellent skater and shorthanded defender.  Has 59 points (with 5 short handed goals) in 72 games.

Forward (anywhere): Steven Reinprecht

Signed by Los Angeles in 2000.  A fast skater who's good defensively, he has 37 points in 69 games (and a +7) in Florida this season.

Winger (either side): Jed Ortmeyer

Signed by Manhattan in 2003.  Defencive specialist with 17 points in 68 games with San Jose this year.  But could someone please trade him back to Nashville?  LOOK AT THAT NAME!

Left Wing: Chris Kunitz

Signed by Anaheim in 2003.  He gives Pittsburgh a hard grinding forechecker with a pretty good scoring touch. Has 29 points in 43 games this year - a bad one with a surgery and injuries.  The exception, rather than the rule.

Defence:

Brian Rafalski

Signed by New Jersey in 1999.  Has 37 points in 66 games this year.  Whip smart player who runs a power play with deadly accuracy - just what Detroit needs, yeah?  Sheesh.

Dan Boyle

Signed by Florida in 1998.  Smooth skater and skilled offensive defenceman, has 49 points in 65 games with San Jose this year.

Marc-Andre Bergeron

Signed by Edmonton in 2001.  Exclusively a power play specialist, he's got 28 points in 51 games with Montreal before being injured this year.  He can also, in a pinch, play wing.

Goaltender:

Dwayne Roloson

Signed by Calgary in 1994.  Has 22 wins in 44 games with a young Islanders team.  Bringing in more reliable goaltending than Rick "Cap'n Snappy" DiPietro.

Again, I'm sure I've missed someone's favourite (Hey!  Where's Vernon Fiddler, damn it?") so go ahead and let me know I'm wrong!

Comment 28 comments  |  3 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Love the idea Thursday, and I’ll come back with more time.

But one guy I have to mention right away.

Pavol Datsyuk- 6th rd, 171 in the ’98 draft.

He’s on my team…lining up with Zetterberg!

"I’m not asking for first-line money or top six money," Burrows said. "I don’t think it changes anything. I still consider myself a checker. That’s what I think I am first. That’s how I want to be paid. "If I can generate offence once in a while, I think it’s a plus for the team." Alex Burrows...Mar/09

by vancitydan on Mar 21, 2010 11:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh, good lord.

How’d I miss that? I blame jumping back and forth from this post to the game – must have lost Datsyuk in the middle there somewhere!

So, who’s he replace on your team?

by Thursday on Mar 21, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boyle and Rafalski undrafted? Wow, I didn’t know that!
Awesome eye candy post.
Rec’d!

by Sean Zandberg on Mar 21, 2010 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

I believe they were the “too small and went to college for 4 years” guys.

A lot of teams are looking to colleges or minor leagues for talent and for good reasons. Some guys may have just physically and mentally matured later, they can be signed at really cheap contracts, and they just slipped through the cracks for whatever reasons.

Poutine & Meatballs

by cyxj on Mar 21, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

The undrafted team almost seems to have more high-end talent than the steals team. That was a bit surprising to me, but a possible explanation may be that the undrafted teams came into the league older, more mature, and had more experience in other levels of hockey perhaps?

by Vancouverguy on Mar 21, 2010 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

And an undying work ethic. Anyone who walks onto a team cold and says “hire me” is going to be forced to prove it.

by Thursday on Mar 21, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pavel Datsyuk was drafted in the 6th rd 171st overall in 98
Brian Campbell was drafted in the 6th rd 156th overall in 97
Tim Thomas was drafted in the 9th rd 217th overall in 94 (and directly ahead of Johan Hedberg and Evgeni Nabokov)
Kimmo Timonen was drafted in 10th rd 250th overall in 93
And lastly, Nikolai Khabibulin was drafted in the 9th rd 204th overall in 92; more importantly, he’s the only goaltender drafted that late to have won the cup.

Missed Andy McDonald for undrafted… another great signing by Anaheim
46pts in 68 games this year, leads the Blues in pts.
Would probably throw Nicklas Backstrom (the goalie) in there, he’s been much stronger than Rolie, but hasn’t had the tenure.

by splnwezel on Mar 21, 2010 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice ones.

McDonald is a nice find, another “too small, 4-year college” guy.

Poutine & Meatballs

by cyxj on Mar 21, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Now who do they replace? I didn’t miss these guys, but I got self-imposed limits to maintain. Datsyuk was a miss (oops!) but both Campbell and Khabibulin are injured, old, and expensive. Fine players, don’t get me wrong; but I like my choices.

As for McDonald… Okay, I missed him, too. Dang – I’ve got to learn to stop putting these things in public spaces! 8)

by Thursday on Mar 21, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

No worries, it’s a great post, regardless.

Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.

by Smoboy41 on Mar 21, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a Leafs Fan

This post makes me very very happy.
Hope!

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 21, 2010 4:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Mark Streit

Might be underestimating his ability with the puck. Last season on a team that was -80 in Goal Differential, he was in the top five of IceTime for the league and still managed a +2 on the season.

Also, No Khabibulan for late round pick? He does have a ring.

Come on Isles! 11-0-0 or 10-0-1 I'm not picky! Playoffs!

by Mark D on Mar 21, 2010 6:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Had the opportunity to watch Streit play in Saskatoon in preseason play. He is just on a whole other level than the rest of his team. If he was playing this well for the Rangers, he would be garnering All-Star nominations.

by splnwezel on Mar 21, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, noone watches the Islanders. The media in New York is all about the Rangers.

by splnwezel on Mar 21, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still think he was robbed not even getting a nomination for the Norris last year. But it’s all about the Media, and no one is talking about the Islanders except to make fun of them (wow, we’re geniuses, we found another way to make a DiPietro joke!)

Come on Isles! 11-0-0 or 10-0-1 I'm not picky! Playoffs!

by Mark D on Mar 22, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like Streit, he’s very slick with the puck. Logged a ton of minutes for the Swiss too.

Poutine & Meatballs

by cyxj on Mar 21, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Streit

He’s a player that I’d want on any team. Unless he’s increased his upper body strength since last year, he seemed to be fairly easily separated from the puck. But I’ll plead partial ignorance for this one – you will have seen him play far more than I have!

by Thursday on Mar 21, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

pavel bure (113th?)

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Mar 21, 2010 6:40 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

the timeline seems to be from 1990 – on. Bure was 1989

by Sean Zandberg on Mar 21, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

otherwise I’d be saying Igor Larionov! (214th in 1985) by the Canucks

by Sean Zandberg on Mar 21, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I woulda taken Hull, then.

Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.

by kesrows on Mar 21, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Off-topic..

Sean,
 
I sent you an email earlier, it might have gone to your junk folder. It’s from nucklord @ gmail . com

by nucklord on Mar 21, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I went for active players only. Bure doesn’t help the team much if he’s in Russia! Well, unless he could do a little scouting…

by Thursday on Mar 21, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting note of the day: Steve Bernier was drafted ahead of Kesler by San Jose in the same draft.

by Laharl on Mar 21, 2010 9:15 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL, nice catch.

To be fair to Steve, he was drafted after a pretty sick junior year (49g, 52a in 71gp). He had a pretty nice overall junior career.

Poutine & Meatballs

by cyxj on Mar 21, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

2003 Draft

As true as it is that Kesler has exceeded (my) expectations, he was a first rounder in a pretty solid draft (M-A Fleury, E. Staal, & J. Carter to name a few), but to call him the “steal of 2003” is a stretch.

Anaheim got Getzlaf 19th AND Perry 28th (Kesler went 23rd).

Not to mention Shea Weber 49th and Jaroslav Halak (yes, my Habs favoritism factors in here) 271st.

Kesler worthy of his new deal, and I’m happy for Canucks.

by Habs25th on Mar 22, 2010 2:36 PM PDT reply actions  

That coming from a Habs fan? Somebody shake this person’s hand!

by Sean Zandberg on Mar 22, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the Nucks Misconduct community! We scour the web to promptly bring you all of the Vancouver Canucks news when it happens in highly-opinionated fashion.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Keith-magnuson-006272802_small
The Little Green Box
Aylettcaterstickwith_small
"How Do I Hate Thee? Let Me Count The Ways..

Recent FanPosts

Vancouver_canucks_logo_small
So the hockey "flu" has run its course
Small
Slumping Canucks Are Hottest Team in the NHL?
Knights-09_small
February 28/12 - Nucks at Yotes
Cimg0038_small
Nucks fans in Denver?
297235_228875923843877_197693266962143_697284_1857293148_n_small
Defending the Blue Line Needs Your Vote
Small
Whats that trade talk show during intermissions called?
Rnxbd00z_small
#EmbraceTheHate ; ASG Corporate Schmooze Edition
Stfulou_small
Rosterbation Time! Your Opinion On What Mike Gillis Needs To Do As The Trade Deadline Approaches

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Nucks Misconduct Store

Nmstore_thumb_medium
Your clothing sucks. Go fix it.

Canucks Stats

Stat

Forwards

Defense

Points

H. Sedin (52)

Edler (34)

Goals

D. Sedin (20)

Edler (7)

Assists

H. Sedin (41)

Edler (27)

Shots

D. Sedin (159)

Edler (131)

Hits

Lapierre (136)

Edler (97)

Blocked Shots

Kesler (38)

Edler (72)

ES TOI/G

H. Sedin (14.45)

Bieksa (17.75)

PP TOI/G

D. Sedin (3.56)

Edler (3.60)

PK TOI/G

Malhotra (2.63)

Hamhuis (3.08)

Corsi Rel QoC

Burrows (0.975)

Bieksa (0.951)

Zone Starts (OPCT)

D. Sedin (80%)
Malhotra (13%)

Edler (58%)
Tanev (36%)

Updated: January 22


Bartenders

Jasonmask_small Yankee Canuck

Stfulou_small Sean Zandberg

Keslerbomb2_small Kent Basky

Pub Regulars

Edlermirrorreversed_small missy

Rnxbd00z_small vancitydan

Img_8090_small nucksandpucks

Cameh_small camcharron

Screen_shot_2011-11-27_at_11 Jordan Clarke

Stanchion_logo_small The Stanchion

299352_525780999561_106000039_30560322_1772728798_n_small Ggooglyboogly

Bouncers

Colon_semi-colon3_small Semi_Colon