be busy doing tax returns?

Ew, CGA… just kidding. I’m almost a CMA myself.

how would he force his way off with those two in front of him?

…and we don’t. The media in this town like to pick at the gristle, and they just can’t break themselves of the habit of helping this market get the “goalie graveyard” award. ( Toronto is the reigning champ! Toskala is only the latest example )

They all act like they know the game…like they are channelling the spirit of Terry Sawchuk. I believe all concerned, the coaches, defense, forwards, and goalie that it is all about trust.

I don’t believe the hectoring, pale egomaniacs entrusted with telling us how it IS. None of who are over a buck eighty, or five ten. None who have played. Ever. Yet all “experts” on the game of hockey… In either paper, more often than not, just are not that knowledgable at the game. Great at being bitchey though.

Sorry to say there guys, but really, I get more knowledge and enjoyment from discussing the facts with my friends at SBN!

When Luongo trusts his defense to cover the back door, and can get out on the shooter, he stops pucks at that level you are craving. When they go through periods where the defense don’t get there, or the forwards are not totally committed to the backcheck, and it makes the goalie look a little more like Martin Brochu sometimes.

More often than not since the break, they have committed to the team game and it is a joy to watch. We can all point to stinkers, or we can remember the Colorado win where Luongo owned the shooters that had beaten him earlier, and stole the game in the 3rd, just like his idol Fuhr used to do, or we can remember the NYI “trap” game (they looked tired to me ). (Wow…I never thought I would be comparing a Canuck team to the 80s Oilers! )

Some of the playing more balls to the wall is the odd man rushes that the other team gets. And a few times, that has cost goals. But overall, the outscoring them stat may hurt the GAA, but not the W. Which is the main stat they should be judged on…for me.

I can’t remember the exact stat, but the Canucks have owned the NHL in the third when it comes to scoring…10 CFB wins is pretty impressive too.

NHL scorers are going to score…and most of that was on the road, where the other team gets the better matchup for their team. Like AV does at GM Place.

I am pretty happy with the goaltending, and think that when they are all at 1000 per cent as is the norm during the playoffs, that they will be fine. Though I do get the big $$$ argument…I just think that GAA is a team stat, not a goalie one.

Whew!

a whole bunch a while back in another thread, just for starters.

Though most were dismissed like the latest as “just the truth” or some such BS.

You insist on asking. I was responding to Beantown.

I won’t get into it with you. YOU are the one that says he is all these horrible things YOU label him as.

Like they win in spite of him.

I discount that entire argument, so it isn’t really worth getting into value judgements with you about it.

Like I said above Y’man, I think you are too hardened in your opinion of the man to have a rational conversation about it.

Thats why I said above, and I will repeat, I respectfully disagree. Sorry. I don’t see the point of going back and forth about it. Lets just agree to disagree.

You are entitled to that opinion as much as anyone else is welcome to a differing view.

Its just an opinion. I see you have a differing one.

Alrighty then…

Yoata, nobody is saying Luongo’s been anywhere nearly as good as he should be. Let’s stop throwing his stats out like that has any bearing in your assertion that he never takes ownership and throws his teammates under the bus. We all know his stats suck of late. We all know that he could and should be better. We all agree on that. There are very few people commenting in this particular thread who don’t make comments about how good or bad any players on the team are at a given time. Everybody gets it, he’s not having the kind of year his salary says he should.

What I struggle with in your very biased commentary is how his saying ’we’re playing a wide open game and that leads to more scoring chances’ is throwing anyone under the bus? Can you deny that it’s true? I’m not sure what you expect him to say. I don’t know what question was asked to get him to say that because the article doesn’t quote that directly, but I imagine it was something along the lines of “what do you say about your obviously lower stats this year than in the past?” or something like that. If you’ve ever followed hockey you know they;re gonna give a canned publicist written response to virtually any question asked, and this totally smells like one of those.

I can see no value for the Canucks, their fans, the coaching staff or Luongo himself for him to say something along the lines of “i’ve been struggling with positional play and my stick side top corner is weak.” I would imagine the team would have a much bigger issue with him saying something like that, especially if it’s true. Similarly I can’t see him saying “well i’ve had some problems at home with the wife and it’s taking me off my game a bit”. I’m sure even you can figure out why that would be frowned upon by coaching and management. So when asked a direct question like that what you prefer he do:
   A) Answer with a plausible explanation that fits, makes sense and does not in any way whatsoever point a finger at someone causing his struggles
   B) Give potential opposition scouts ammo to work with in future games and have their players poke at those little holes he mentions both psychologically and physically
   C) Get all surly and defensive (and we’ve all seen Roberto get like this in seasons previous to last one and this one) and say something along the lines of ‘No comment, fuck off"
   D) Vacantly look off into space and act like he didn’t hear the question

Personally, I’ll pick choice A every time.

You have such a hate on for anything canucks passed West coast express and Dan Cloutier that you look for the worst in everything. Where you see him blaming his team for things, the rest of us see him offering a plausible reason that is fairly whitebread. I equate your chicken little screaming with the people who wanted to sue the network for billions of dollars because janet jackson’s nipple was shown one pixel high for an 8th of a second: you’re just looking for a reason to complain, and latching on to every possible thing and twisting it to mean what you want. I’ve seen enough of your posts to know you’ll tell me that by spinning it the other way we’re doing the exact same thing. Perhaps we are, although I’m not convinced that it’s so, but you know what the difference is? Some of us actually have positive attitudes and faith in human nature, even the human nature of someone who is at the very top of their chosen field.

I know I won’t change your opinion on this issue, and you’ve gotta know that you won’t likely change mine. But you should at least give people the same credit you expect everyone to give you and let people express why they believe what they believe. You don’t need to get the last word in here, I’m not arguing with you, i’m just telling you why I have the stance that I have, and why I disagree with yours. As Dan said, we are probably agreeing to disagree.

I’m sure you’ll get your patented last word comment in now.