Thursday Morning Coffee- One Step Closer...
by WAACH 'Cast on Mar 18, 2010 7:37 AM PDT
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The Canucks have a big challenge ahead of them tonight as they host the San Jose Sharks at GM Place. With the Sharks showing some signs of weakness lately, most recently an 8-2 embarrassment at the hands of the Dallas Stars, is the table set for the Canucks to finally shake this particular monkey off their backs?
The Canucks will have a different look tonight, as Micheal Grabner will be on the 2nd line with Ryan Kesler and Mason Raymond. The shoulder injury suffered by Mikael Samuelsson Tuesday against the Islanders is expected to keep him out of the lineup for up to 3 weeks, thus the opportunity for Grabner to make a case for himself to stay not just the rest of the season, but next year as well.
After a game where fans and press alike seemed to be gathering the torches and pitchforks for Andrew Alberts, we still haven't heard if Shane O'Brien will draw back into the lineup after being a healthy scratch the last few. With a team that can skate as well as the Sharks, the Canucks would probably want to see someone with the skating ability of O'Brien in the lineup as opposed to the now much-maligned Alberts. And I can't believe I am saying that about O'Brien. But the debate about our defense, raging all season long is too damn complicated for someone who just got out of bed, so we will leave it for another time.
The Canucks will not just need to be better defensively, but most importantly they'll need the Roberto Luongo that played this weekend to show up, and not the one that stunk up the joint Tuesday night. Getting into a run and gun game with San Jose might be unavoidable, but they're going to have to do more than just shut down San Jose's top line, which they did when the Sharks were here in November, but they also need to shut down the Fraser Maclaren's, Manny Malhotra's and Jamie McGinn's. Those 3, along with Dan Boyle scored to lead the Sharks to a 4-2 win in that game.
Big team effort from the best players, defense by committee, and Roberto Luongo being not just the best goalie, but the best player on the ice is the key. The Canucks need to lock up the division title, and they can put a little distance once again between themselves and the Colorado Avalanche. They got the help they needed from the Calgary Flames last night *shudders* so they need to take advantage of that break.
How can you eat after that?
Another game, another brutal hit in the NHL. Anyone else starting to get a little numb to all this? This one however was shocking, not just for the ferocity of the hit, but the stunning comments made by Ducks colour commentator Brian Hayward, and after the game by Ducks coach Randy Carlyle.
First, let's look at the hit from the Chicago viewpoint:
Now, here's the Ducks take:
So you have a guy who charged at a player who didn't have the puck, a few feet away from the boards. He leaves his feet and brings his forearm to the player's face. And after the game, Coach Randy Carlyle says Wisniewski should have been the first star of the game, and didn't bring his arms up on the play.
But more mind-boggling than the embarrassing comments by Hayward and Carlyle, was the officiating. How in the world does a veteran official like Paul Devorski only call a 2 minute charging penalty? This is such a clear cut case of intent to injure. The NHL has to come down hard and stop the nonsense of saying things like "technically, according to the rule book it was a legal hit" or something like that. Steve Downie got a 20 game suspension for a hit on Ottawa's Dean McAmmond for launching himself at McAmmond's head. I think that's a suitable punishment.
Oh yeah, Matt Cooke and the Pittsburgh Penguins are in Boston to take on the Bruins for the first time since Cooke's hit on Marc Savard. The lunatics are running the asylum...
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another dangerous hit? good grief!
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on another note.....
this is a very important matchup for the canucks tonight. if we win in regulation, we will be within 5 points of the conference lead =O
however, if the sharks get any points tonight (even an OTL), the clinch a playoff spot.
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Downie not comparable
Steve Downie got a 20 game suspension for a hit on Ottawa’s Dean McAmmond for launching himself at McAmmond’s head. I think that’s a suitable punishment.
Have you seen the Downie hit recently? Jumped, left both feet, aimed at the head.
I voted 5-6 games for Wiz (more on the charge than the hit to the head). It’s regrettable that the NHL doesn’t have the headchecking rule the OHL has…if they did, Seabrook would have been in the box for the head check on Perry from about 10 seconds earlier.
I am NOT defending Wiz. It was an inexcusable hit. But the headchecking penalty has taken out a lot of the scrums and a lot of the brutal hits out of the OHL, but the good clean open ice hits are still there.
The NHL should take a page from David Branch’s playbook.
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The hit on Perry was not a headshot… watch the video again. The only reason that hit even looks remotely bad was because Perry was spinning when he was hit.
The hit is comparable for the reason you say it isn’t. Wisniewski leaves his feet and launches at Seabrook’s head. The first video at the :59 mark clearly shows this. It’s not the identical hit, but both hits featured a player who charged another, left his feet and launched himself at the opponent’s head.
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Headshot
Perry was hit in the neck/head region. Doesn’t matter to me how. I’ve looked at it several times.
Wiz might have had his skates a few inches off the ice. It’s not even remotely comparable to Downie, who was a full-out missile. And Wiz doesn’t “launch” at Seabrook’s head, he just runs him through the glass (Wiz is also a fair amount shorter than Seabrook).
I don’t want to defend the hit (and I am not), but the hit on Perry should have been called, and this wouldn’t have happened.
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A few inches off the ice? They guy jumped at Seabrook. He is way off the ice with both feet and hurtled himself at Seabrook like a missile. How are you not seeing that?
The hit on Perry there was no contact with the head. His head might have hit the boards afterwards but let’s not confuse that with a headshot. Seabrook might have gotten a penalty for it but for me it’s borderline. It’s maybe slightly late and Perry was in a bit of a vulnerable position. So maybe a 2 minute penalty but no more. And there is NO WAY that Seabrook’s hit on Perry in any way shape or form excuses Wiz. That’s not how you handle “frontier justice” as some have called it. You either lay him out with a clean hit or you fight him. That’s it. Otherwise you deserve to have the book thrown at you.
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by Section 312 on Mar 18, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I just don’t see way off the ice. I see his momentum takes him off the ice through Seabrook, but I don’t see a jump. Especially in the reverse angle camera.
In any event, I’ve said 5-6 for Wiz, I just think that Seabrook partially made his own bed by throwing a forearm at a vulnerable opponent (that does NOT excuse Wiz, but does explain why Seabrook got totaled).
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Well he jumps, his knees bend and then he explodes upwards and both his feet are off the ground. The only reason they don’t get farther off the ice so it would be easier to see is because he hits Seabrook. If he hadn’t hit him he might still be going up.
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by Section 312 on Mar 18, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
His skates are barely off the ice at the point of contact, which is what is behind charging, as far as I know. Yes, he’s moving upwards through contact (that’s why Seabrook’s body goes up, because Wiz was coming from below him). It would be virtually impossible for Wiz (who is significantly shorter than Seabrook) to jump and then propel Seabrook UP.
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I don’t understand that. If a guy skating 30mph jumps into you it will propel you up no matter how much bigger you are. Wiz as you call him jumped into the head of Seabrook. You have jumped before right? We all have. You bend you knees, get low, and then explode up. That’s what Wiz did.
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by Section 312 on Mar 18, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I say “Wiz” because it’s much shorter to type than Wisniewski.
Point of impact is what is relevant here. You can be moving upwards when you check someone, you just can’t jump INTO them.
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I think the main point is he charged in from the blueline , with the intent of crushing him regardless of whether he had the puck or not. He just plain old wanted to hurt him, and the way he went about looks to me like he was trying to knock him out.
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I agree
Which is why I said 5-6 games.
I disagree that it was a jump, I disagree that it was a “elbows up to the head”, and I disagree that it was in the same league as Downie’s 20 game suspension for hitting McAmmond.
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If you think it was intent to injure, which is what I’m calling it, then how the player went about doing it is really a moot point.
That’s why I’m staying out of the whole jumping thing. Could be on it all day. I find it irrelevant.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
Sure. This started because it was compared in the original post to Downie’s hit and a 20 game suspension. I do not see this the same way.
This is what I said in my very first comment:
I voted 5-6 games for Wiz (more on the charge than the hit to the head). It’s regrettable that the NHL doesn’t have the headchecking rule the OHL has…if they did, Seabrook would have been in the box for the head check on Perry from about 10 seconds earlier.
and
I am NOT defending Wiz. It was an inexcusable hit. But the headchecking penalty has taken out a lot of the scrums and a lot of the brutal hits out of the OHL, but the good clean open ice hits are still there.
The NHL should take a page from David Branch’s playbook.
That’s actually what I really wanted to talk about. Regrettably, it’s turned into a jumping discussion, which I agree, is almost completely irrelevant (except that to me that takes it from Downiesque to 5-6 games).
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See to me the jumping takes it from a dirty hit to a very dirty, dangerous head shot. And to me that isn’t irrelevant. But that’s just me.
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by Section 312 on Mar 18, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
He is by your own admission off the ice when he hits him. So it doesn’t really matter how far off the ice he is, he jumped into him. The only reason he isn’t higher off the ice is because he jumped fairly close to Seabrook. Add that to the fact he came from the blueline and it’s an incredibly dirty hit and much, much worse and much more egregious than Seabrook’s hit which at most was a 2 minute penalty for boarding.
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by Section 312 on Mar 18, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
All of which I have already agreed with, aside from the fact that I think Seabrook’s hit was a clear boarding call.
For what it’s worth (and I’ve said this many, many times, although perhaps not here), I think Seabrook is awesome and incredibly underrated, Wisniewski has always been a bit of an “on-the-edge” player, and Perry is an annoying jerk on the ice (although not off it) that I have long been frustrated that he has been held up as the quintessential London Knight. So there’s nothing colouring my opinion.
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Seabrook’s hit is borderline I don’t think it’s a clear. boarding call. Seabrook is still responsible for not hitting Perry even if he turns last minute, as I have said, I just don’t see any head contact and I don’t see it really being a hit from behind in the traditional sense.
I just think it’s clear that Wiznieswki was out to hurt Seabrook, he came from a long way away to hit a guy who was not involved in the play in terms of where the puck was, Seabrook wasn’t looking and couldn’t defend himself or brace for the hit and Wiznieswki’s skates are off the ice and there is contact to the head. It’s a really bad hit.
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by Section 312 on Mar 18, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed (apart from our previously referenced disagreement on the Seabrook call).
As I just said, I started by saying “NHL should implement OHL rules on headchecking”, and that this isn’t a Downie-level assault. Regrettably, nobody wanted to talk about that, and instead has spent all this time trying to either defend Seabrook’s hit (which I think is an NHL penalty and is ABSOLUTELY an OHL penalty), or how Wiz jumped into Seabrook.
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But we all know the NHL should institute a head shot penalty. No discussion needed. No one is defending Seabrook’s hit. It doesn’t need defending. It isn’t a head shot since no contact is made with the head. It’s a penalty but not a major and certainly never a suspension.
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by Section 312 on Mar 18, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
We’re both repeating ourselves now I think, so I’ll leave it be.
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Here is something new to add to the discussion. If Jason Blake wasn’t such a waste of hockey pads he probably would have scored on the play right before all the hits and this never would have happened.
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by Section 312 on Mar 18, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, that happened after Seabrook’s hit on Perry. So that hit still would have happened… :)
Just an attempt to lighten the mood.
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OK but we can all agree that Blake is a waste or human life…right?
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by Section 312 on Mar 18, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Not sure if I’d call anyone a “waste of human life”, but he’s certainly a major waste of a roster spot on an NHL team with any hope of contending. Close enough for consensus?
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Sure. Let’s call it consensus.
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by Section 312 on Mar 18, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Also
I’m not sure how you can defend the hit on Perry and then call for 20 games for Wiz. I don’t see that connection at all.
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Perry hit was incidental contact if he at all made contact with the head. That’s not defending it, that’s fact. I am as stunned at the rest of your post as I am the comments by Hayward and Carlyle. Should Seabrook have gotten a penalty? Yeah, two minutes for boarding. Your defense/denial of what Wisniewski did saddens and baffles me.
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by WAACH 'Cast on Mar 18, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s not incidental contact if you throw your arm out and you catch the guy high and his head smacks into the boards.
If Seabrook had gotten a penalty, as you just said he should have, this doesn’t happen.
And how many times do I have to say this? I am not defending/denying what Wiz did. Stop saying that. I said it’s a suspension, 5-6 games. I just don’t see it nearly as bad as some of you.
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He doesn’t throw his arm out and he doesn’t catch him high. He hits him in the back and into the boards. Unless your seeing angles I haven’t seen I don’t see where you think there is head contact. It’s a penalty and a dangerous hit but never a head shot.
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by Section 312 on Mar 18, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I was about to say the same thing. I see Seabrook’s shoulder connect with the back of Perry’s shoulder. No flying forearm, no head contact
It looked like he lined him up perfectly, then Perry rotated past where Seabrook was intending to hit him.
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Agreed 1000000%
He hits him in the right shoulder. It’s a penalty don’t get me wrong. But if you hit a guy in the body and then his head hits the ice, the boards, another player, the post etc etc etc it’s not a head shot. A head shot is deliberately hitting someone in the head. Which is what Wizniewski did.
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by Section 312 on Mar 18, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t like the hit on Perry at all, he was in a very vulnerable position – he was spinning – and Seabrook knew that. Seabrook should have been in the penalty box for a double minor. It didn’t happen, so Frontier justice took its course and he got what he deserved.
Having said that, Winsniewski should still get a major and game (never mind the nice acting from Seabrook, one moment he is out cold, and 15 seconds later he is carrying an animated conversation on the bench).
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Agreed, almost...
…not 100% sure on the acting, but it WAS weird how much different Toews being out cold compared with Seabrook being out cold.
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I wondered about that too Attila. I see him with birds around his head on the ice, and then he looks OK at the bench.
Hockey players are tough though. There is no doubt he was a victim of a dirty hit.
But in this case, he did reap a little of what he sowed. I am not condoning what Wisnewski did, because it was wrong, but I do understand.
Seabs targeted Perry’s head…and the only reason we not talking about the length of HIS suspension is that he missed. A bit. He still hit his head, but just a glancing blow. But the head was all he was going for!
At least the response was somewhere in the hockey hit universe. Sure…it was wrong. But it started out as a clean hit. The puck was there, (sorry Waach’)…at least close enough that it was in the realm. Wisnewski charged, and then brought his arms through. He should have been penalized.
I voted for one -two games. If Ovie can hurt Soupy and get two, then Wiz should only get two for trying to defend a teammate.
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he didn’t have the puck, nor was he the last one to play the puck.. by any stretch of the imagination, this was brutal. I just don’t get how people are talking about a missed call for what could have been a minor being a bigger deal than a blatant attempt to injure. As far as the ‘acting’ comments… do any of you know what Seabrook said on the bench? If you do, please post it. Seabrook did not take another shift, and word out of Chicago is that he is suffering concussion symptoms.
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by WAACH 'Cast on Mar 18, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Umm…the puck left the corner only a few seconds away.
I said it was a dirty hit. I just don’t think it was as dirty as you do, obviously.
And that Seabrook should have not started the whole thing with his shot on Perry…which it seems you want to give him a pass on.
Hell, that hit was dirtier than Wiz’s…the head was the first point of contact.
If the puck had not been in the vicinity, I believe they would have called the major…but they called the minor because it was in the realm of a hockey hit. Just a wrong one.
I never said he was acting either…just that I noticed him talking pretty animated for someone that had birds and stars around their head a minute earlier.
I hope he is OK. But I don’t believe others are wrong for seeing what you aren’t here…that Seabrook was not as lily white as you want him to be on going for Perry’s head…and that Wiz’s hit was bad…but not the “Matt Cooke” bad you want to make it.
Ahhh…hockey hit disagreements. We could go around and around. But in the end…its just semantics.
We just see differing shades of gray on this one, my friend.
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I never said Seabrook’s hit was clean, but whatever. I just fail to see where an intentional, targeted hit to the head in retaliation is less a foul than the hit Seabrook puts on Perry. We do disagree. I don’t think it’s gray though.
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by WAACH 'Cast on Mar 18, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
The hit made on Perry was bad
I think if it was reviewed, Seabrook would not get suspended because as he started to skate towards Perry, Perry was facing him and started to turn just as Seabrook made contact. No matter what, that was going to be a nasty collision.
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Yeah…I saw that too. But they have not really taken that into consideration before. The turning bit.
Seabrook…and I like him as a player, and he is a Lower Mainland local to boot….he did not have to bring his arms into the head. Even at the high rate of speed that is NHL hockey, he could have mitigated that.
Its what I am getting a little sick about…hearing the talk about hits. The hitter knows what he is doing. He could have not taken a shot at Perry’s head.
Though, I do think that Wiz went too far and will get an enforced rest. He didn’t have to bring his hands through Seabrook’s head and pound his melon into the glass either.
The guys at SCH are calling for his head…or course, and that he get 3-5. I think they will give him 2….maybe 3 because he is a repeat offender.
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If Seabrook would have connected
straight on with the arms to the head, Perry might have been taken off on a stretcher. I’m glad for the game it was avoided.
I’m a Hawk fan and on the SCH board. I admit I’d like to see Wiz get an extended suspension. He played here for a couple of years so we knew what to expect from him. No one was upset when we traded him last season.
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This is the time for Luongo to shine, or else, he is running out of all the goodwill that he earned during the Olympics. With a big win here, the Canucks could set the tone for the coming weeks, and send a message to the Sharks and Blackhawks.
A disappointing loss (second in a row) could be a sign that the Canucks are crumbling and choking right at the finish line.
A lot is at stake tonight, I expect it to be a thriller.
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Nice to see Vancouver
has the same low caliber sportswriters as we do in Chicago. Must be a slow news day.
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They’re on a roll this week. On Tuesday they basically insulted the Islanders and they squashed us. Then yesterday there was the Luongo/AV blame game. And now this. I don’t mean to trash all of them (some are really good journalists), but man, a certain few really need to find another profession.
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 18, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe we share a reporter
Insult the Islanders, then lose 5-2. The same thing happened here when the Hawks played them a couple of weeks ago.
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Ed Willes has for years been the very worst of a very bad bunch of writers on the province staff. The only one who doesn’t totally suck is botchford, and even he has his moments of pandering to the lowest common denominator. I can’t believe that after all these years of sucking more than my dyson ed willes still has a job.
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Ed’s Monday morning musings is mildly amusing.
For me, the guy I get most annoyed with is Gallagher.
He used to be the column I turned to first. The man can write. But now his columns are just rantings that are usually pandering.
And when he gets on TEAM 1040 for pre-games, I leave it on until he says something douchey.
I usually don’t last longer than a minute with him.
So sad.
Learnt two things on the radio listening just recently though.
Supposedly the punishment for Wiz will be 8 games. ( I guess I was wrong there, eh WAACH!?) Maybe they are making an example.
And the Pitt/Bos game will be on HD on channel 313. I hope its free! He (Pratt) seemed to intimate it was.
I guess it has it’s uses!
BTW…your synopsis below is just perfect. Thx for the laugh…
Murphy ; "You finished with the Twins against Nashville, and AV elected to keep you guys together for today, were you happy with the decision?"
Mikael Samuelsson ; " I was happy with it...Oh yeah. Sure"
Chicago fans: “The hit on Perry was fine, Wisneiski is a danger to the league and needs a 4 year suspension. Also, he kicks puppies, i’m pretty sure.”
Sharks fans: “The hit on Perry was a headshot, and Wiz just retaliated. By the way, Seabrook feigned the 3 second blackout, cuz nobody blacks out then stands up. Nuh uh. Besides, Seabrook is known for sacrificing small children to the Devil on weekends”
Fans of neither: “You two are both homers.”
Me: Yer all on crack. Seabrook needs to get a game or two for headhunting. Wiz needs to get 5 games, he very obviously left his feet and it was obvious charging. Nobody sells passing out that well…look how his head hits the ice when he falls. Not even that, look how he instantly goes boneless and slides down. That is not faking anything. Give yer heads a shake if you for a millisecond think he was selling that.
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I just don’t see how Seabrook was head hunting? If he was head hunting he did a piss poor job of it since he made NO contact with Perry’s head. He hits him in the shoulder. Watch the hit again as Perry is turning he tucks his head in towards his chest and you can see as he comes out the other side of Seabrook that his head isn’t in a spot where Seabrook could have hit it. Unless there is an angle I haven’t seen there is no contact with the head.
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by Section 312 on Mar 18, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
When I first watched it it looked like the elbow was up to me, which someone only does if they’re headhunting regardless of whether they connect or not. I just watched it again 3 or 4 times, and you’re probably right, it was just the shoulder, but it was still probably deserving of at least a double minor.
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I mean I would have been OK with a double minor. To me it’s just 2 minutes for boarding or something but a double minor is OK. Hell, even 5 I would be OK with since I want to see head shots eliminated and, even though I don’t think it was a head shot, if you start giving out penalties for even borderline hits then you might get rid of the bad hits eventually.
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by Section 312 on Mar 18, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't think the Shark fans care all too much
Kidding. We know what you’re getting at.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
There is no comparison between the two hits
Slow down the video at the 49 second mark of the Seabrook v Perry and right before impact it looks like it is going to be a shoulder to shoulder hit. Perry spins a bit and ducks so Seabrook catches him high. You want to give him 2 minutes then fine but there was no intent and if Kane or Campbell gets walloped while doing a spin move I would say the same thing.
The Wiz hit was retaliation and there was an intent to injure. Should have been a 5 minute major, game misconduct, and suspend him for 10 games. There’s no place for that in the game and by not policing this the NHL is going to see more of it especially when Carlye makes those crazy comments about Wiz being the #1 star. Carlye should get fined for being a dumbass. He’s egging his guys on to do the same thing. It used to be you would drop the gloves and settle it that way. Now you have guys like Ovechkin who won’t fight but takes runs at guys all over the ice.
Haven’t read all the comments posted above but will throw in my opinion.
I liked the Seabrook hit on Perry. I think that was legit.
Wizniewski’s hit on Seabrook was fine in a technical sense, but Seabrook didn’t have the puck and Wiz was out for revenge. That’s a charging/interference penalty and that’s it, maybe a game misconduct at the most. No suspension.
Nice sell job by Seabrook btw. That was very Harley Race-like. But there are better ways to get even, Wiz.
Sell job? Why did he leave the game? Why is he reportedly dealing with post concussion symptoms?
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
Yadda yadda. He got up pretty quick, concussion symptoms or not. He acted like he got shot.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 18, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
this is Seabrook exactly 15 seconds after the hit:
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 18, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
So he gets a shoulder to the face, then his head bounces off the glass twice and all the while he is planning on how he is going to act like he was KO’d? Then he decides to leave the game just to make it seem even more real?
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
Right when you and I were able to come to some sort of consensus, Section...
…Sean walks in and blows it all up again! :)
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I’ve seen stranger things happen. That was an embellishment. Did he decide to leave the game or was he told to? They are so cautious with concussions nowadays. I’m not buying it. Any status on Seabrook yet?
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 18, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you saying he was KO’d? Because his head didn’t bounce off the ice. That was a controlled far. Greg The Hammer would be proud.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 18, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I underestimated the intent to injure part though.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 18, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha! If you watch his landing, his head touches the ice as softly as a feather, while his eyes are closed, as if he was uncouscious. I guess he didn’t trust that the helmet would protect him.
C- for acting.
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Well, a C+. It fooled Section! haha, just giving you a hard time, 312
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 18, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
To me the dead giveaway was when I watched his eyes and facial expression a few seconds later, and there was not the slightest trace of injured look. When I saw the video the first time, I thought that I am looking at the wrong guy, and had to listen to it again to realize that this is the guy who was hit.
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What about when he picks himself up and is on one knee and takes a big deep breathe? Clearly he is dazed and just climbing up onto his knee took a lot out of him. I am not saying he was badly hurt but that wasn’t acting. There is such a thing as being knocked unconscious for a split second or just being extremely dazed.
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"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
I think this argument is stupid and it’s my fault for bringing it up. We’re both judging Seabrook’s character yet we don’t even know him. I still disagree, but reserve the possibility that you could be right on this one as well.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 18, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Suspension
8 games….
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PPP said it best...
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Wisniewski’s 8 games is a good suspension (albeit completely out of whack with precedent) because it punishes action and not outcome.
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Wiz is saying that he thought Seabrook had the puck and that he didn’t mean to hurt him and that they are buddies and that they roomed together when Wiz was on the Hawks. He said he tried to text Seabrook last night but couldn’t get through to him.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 18, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't take your cellphone in during a CT scan.
Yeah I saw all thet stuff over at Second City.
Not a bunch of happy campers over there.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
I’m good with this. Too bad it amplifies how bad the NHL pooched the rest of the shit that happened this week.
But you gotta start somewhere. Hopefully this will cause the players to actually take notice.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
I’m a bit late to the discussion here, thought i’d post something which may help you make your minds up on the knockout or not. I’m no expert, and i’m not taking sides but i have heard medico’s while watching AFL talk about how when you’re knocked out like Brent appears to be you watch their arms, if they kind of head for the sky, that is an indication they are off with the fairies. It may not be perfect comparison for this incident but it might help you decide whether he’s knocked out or not. The video i’ll post below is an example of this from an AFL game from here last year, at about 1.40 (sorry odn’t know how to post tis properly) is where you see it.
Bad hit, i don’t agree he’s knocked out though
His head also bounced off the ground. Doesn’t that account for anything? Wow, what a hit. I gotta watch that sport more often.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 18, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Geez we Canooks like to think hockey is the ballsiest, toughest sport around (other than curling of course), but everytime I see an aussie football video all I can think is that the nhl is fulla lightweights. Those guys are fuckin insane.
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Pads are for pussies.
I love how they play on when there is a fight on that big oval field. Crazy fucking sport for sure…
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As someone who’s suffered 10 concussions, I can tell you I’ve had my bell rung and gone down like that, it’s not a complete loss of consciousness, but the lights go out and get weak. That’s what I saw when I looked at that video. I just have a question for those of you who think that Seabrook was faking: Can you explain to me the logic of a team sitting a player when he wasn’t injured? They are trying to line up first overall in the conference, which would ensure home ice advantage through the first 3 rounds of the playoffs. They are already missing 2 of their top 6 to injury. So taking this into consideration, tell me why they would do this?
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I’m not saying he wasn’t injured. I was saying that he wasn’t knocked out, and that his concussion was not severe. 20 years ago he would have gotten up and attacked Wisniewski. Today they treat concussions more seriously
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 18, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
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