Tuesday Morning Coffee- Won't Someone Please Think About The Capitals?!?!?!
As a blogger, you sometimes struggle with the fact that not a lot of what you write will actually have an impact on this wonderful game we all love. Yet knowing that in conjunction with the Canadian hockey media we were able to get Alexander Ovechkin suspended, it finally feels like we have a voice. And that voice will continue to keep the Washington Capitals and their fans pinned to the ground.
If it weren't all laid out on the interwebs for all to see, you'd think it was a joke. Yet there are journalists suggesting that Ovechkin is being targeted for punishment. All the usual nonsense is there. Comparisons of hits that are night and day different. And of course, the old chestnut "If this were Sidney Crosby...". I don't know what's worse, the fact that people actually believe there's a conspiracy against the Capitals, or that they have the audacity to play the victim card.
They'd have you believe Alex is the victim, along with the team. Good lord, they may not actually win the President's Trophy by double digits now! Alexander Ovechkin could lose the Art Ross.
First of all, the President's Trophy is nice, but history is full of first overall teams that don't win the cup. It's a vanity thing more than anything else. A great accomplishment, but if the team were to tank, a 2 game suspension to one of the many star players in their lineup is hardly going to be the reason.
The Art Ross, well... the suspension may keep him from winning the scoring race indeed. Yet for anyone to cry foul is ludicrous. The rules of the game are there to keep players from getting injured by the reckless or dangerous actions of other players. If Ovechkin should lose that race, the only one to blame will be himself. The reluctance of Ovechkin and the Capitals organization to take any responsibility in this is shameful, and indicative of the problems facing this game. They're crying foul over a push. They're going all Zapruder-film on this, stating there's a movement of Campbell's skate that is to blame. That he knew Ovechkin was there, that he should have known Ovechkin was going to shove him. That he should have gone straight and none of this would have happened. It's hard to keep the bile down when I hear the 'blame the victim' rhetoric coming out of the Caps camp.
We can talk about the NHL's inconsistency on suspensions until we're all blue in the face. None of it makes sense, and we know that. But suggestions that this was not a suspendable play is garbage. You want to play the what if game, Caps fans? Fine. What if Campbell's head hits the boards first? What if he fractures his neck, and suffers paralysis? What if the broken rib punctures his lung and ends his career? What if he suffers internal bleeding and dies?
Take the punishment, and shut the hell up about being punished. Bryan Campbell's injuries far outweigh any slight, real or perceived that your team has suffered. The histrionics coming out of DC on this are embarrassing. I fear however that my message will fall upon deaf ears, and sooner rather than later, we will be mourning the loss of a player on the ice because some player didn't have enough respect to not take out a player in a vulnerable position. All it takes is a push.
Red Mile Breakfast Special: Pancakes and tears...
Another huge game, another 1 goal performance from the Calgary Maple Leafs Flames. Sure, they got their asses handed to them by the Canucks in the first half of the game Sunday, but in front of their home crowd last night against the Red Wings they really had nothing. And that lack of energy could be read in the fans reactions to the game. The Pengrowth Saddledome is usually rocking for the home team, but it was utterly morgue-like at times last night.
The 2nd period save by Jimmy Howard on the Curtis Glencross penalty shot was not just a game changer, it may have been the save that keeps the Flames from making the playoffs this season. And it doesn't get easier for the Flames. They have the Avalanche twice, plus the Canucks, Blackhawks, Capitals and Coyotes down the stretch.
If there's a bright spot, it's that they only have 5 home games remaining out of 13. The Flames are a brutal one game over .500 at home, so the road may be the source of salvation for their season. The clock is ticking for Darryl Sutter, and you have to think missing the post season will mean major house cleaning in Calgary.
The Canucks are taking on the Islanders tonight. I will give you a moment to calm down. Sure, some of us are feeling that uncomfortable twinge that this is going to be one of those games where the Canucks play down to the level of their opposition. I don't see it happening tonight, this Canucks team is playing with huge confidence right now, and are going to roll against the hapless Islanders.
It would be nice to see the Canucks play Andrew Raycroft tonight, and make sure Roberto Luongo is well rested for a huge game with the Sharks Thursday night. Then again you could argue with two solid outings, your best bet is to keep Luongo rolling so he doesn't lose any momentum.
Don't forget to check out the pregame and game time threads...
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I don’t believe Ovechkin pushed him with malice. You could tell simply by his reaction when he looked at what was left of Campbell he was having a serious “oh fuck no” moment. Not making an excuse for him. Suspension warranted. Especially after he decided to be so aloof with his comments on the incident.
The problem with OV is the unbridled passion he has for playing that makes him so endearing as a player, is the same thing that causes him to throw himself into these situations where his wrecklessness jeopardizes the well-being of every other player on the ice. I equate him to a border collie running loose in a tennis ball factory. You can’t just turn your brain off and chase the puck without considering consequences. Heat of the moment stuff can happen to any player, but the sheer volume of OV incidents is astounding.
As for the Washington faithful screaming foul over these “borderline infractions”, DC is well on its way to becoming Douche Central. Nice touch with the inverted R’s on the signage. Nice to know the Cold War is officially over.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
by kesrows on Mar 16, 2010 10:03 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
In hindsight...
…that incident directly led to acquiring Luongo.
Funny how things work out.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
Wow
Legal scandal, religios persecution and TaTas all rolled into one image. Well played, sir.
Alternately, nobody likes seeing their 8 million dollar player turned into, for the lack of a better word…soup.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
I agree with anything this lady is going to put on a sign.
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Mar 16, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Do what she says, for God’s Sake, do what she says.
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by Section 312 on Mar 16, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with that lady.
Wait, there is a sign?
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Mar 16, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s only two games, you’d think he was suspended for life. A bit of a rest, then balls to the wall for the rest of the season. AO gets a mini-vacation at a time when most players are just focussing on finishing the season in one piece.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
very good point. I fail to see this as much of a punishment. And for the record, some of us were okay with Bertuzzi’s suspension.
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by WAACH 'Cast on Mar 16, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Anyways, great post! That image of the Caps fans is pissing me off though. 2 games suspended and the signs come out? haha! And that’s in America’s capital too. Trigger happy much? (runs away)
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 16, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
believe it or not… that’s from his last suspension. you know the one he got for kneeing a guy then got suspended for the time he was injured.
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by WAACH 'Cast on Mar 16, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m laughing at people thinking his scoring title is in jeopardy. Uh, not likely.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 16, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I keep watching these replays over and over again (Downie and now Ovechkin). The Ovechkin hit could have wrecked Campbell’s neck. That is such a dangerous distance from the boards to be piling a guy in. Had Campbell turned just a little more before he got hit then it wouldn’t have been from behind. But even then he crashes into the boards and potentially has his career fukt. Ovie has to let up there.
Absolutely
10 feet out from the boards is career-ender zone.(and yes, I know, possibly worse)
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
Maybe have blue ice a certain distance from the boards. If you are outside this zone, no running the opposition. You can still dig for the puck, however. Not perfect, granted, just throwing an idea out there.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
Well… no running the opposition towards the boards. Otherwise are you going to kill all open-ice hits? Some of those are things of beauty.
by Beantown Canuck on Mar 16, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
As long as a player has a line of sight on you (sorry, head down is still line of sight) bang away.
It’s when you make contact into a player’s back things get ugly. Sidenote- players who turn their back on incoming checker make this thing a whole lot more complicated than it needs to be.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
You mean: “if you are inside this zone”.
I think that a “no hit zone” from about 10 feet from the boards would be a great idea, it would change the complexion of the game a little bit, but many injuries could be avoided. And that could make hockey more attractive to wider audience. I am not saying that all injuries would be avoided, but certainly a lot of them.
I can’t help but think that the flurry of dirty hits and injuries from the last couple of weeks made many parents tell their kids “forget about hockey, I don’t want you to end up in a wheelchair”.
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Which in turn made many kids say to their parents “fuck off you can’t stop me from playing hockey”
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by Section 312 on Mar 16, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, yeah, if the kid wants to buy his own equipment, pay his own expenses, and willing walk 26 miles to the nearest ice rink, no problem. :)
Los Angeles, CA
26 miles to the nearest rink? You must be in the States.
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by Section 312 on Mar 16, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I see what you’re getting at, but I’d be totally against it.
My guess is 80 percent of contact happens along the boards, and as long as a player can see it coming and the hit is clean, injuries are rare.
Unless you change to Olympic size ice, a bunch of 6 foot – 200 lb players on average are going to have an impossible time avoiding each other.
Maybe a wider audience would apprecaite it, but anyone who enjoys hockey in its purest form (no, we’re not there right now) would slit their wrists with a skate.
None of this is about contact. It’s about players not having enough respect for each other. And it’s about the League and the Player’s Union not having enough balls to step up and do something about it.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
I guess the other solution would be for the League to really, really step up and punish the hell out of the infractors. But you and I know that it is not going to happen.
You cannot MAKE people respect each other, that’s the problem.
You can make the rules more black and white, so there is less room for politics. If you say that this kind of play is an automatic suspension, and the minimum suspension is 20 games, than the players will never do it again. It is as simple as that.
On the other hand, if you make the suspension optional, and the number of games suspended optional, then it is all politics, and since the owners control what the League does, they will not want to see their player suspended. So, the whole system is corrupt.
Los Angeles, CA
The NHL won’t protect the players with lengthy suspensions when hits do happen and won’t let the players protect themselves due to the instigator rule. The league created this situation itself but doesn’t have the balls, the brains or frankly the inclination to change the culture of the sport that they created.
I’m convinced that if you had the money Gary Bettman would let you kill any 4th liner in the league. You would have to hunt them with Rutger Hauer though.
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by Section 312 on Mar 16, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
exactly
and that’s why the “it was just a push” argument is so repugnant. I have yet to see ANYTHING bordering on remorse or concern about the ramifications of this hit.
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by WAACH 'Cast on Mar 16, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
James Mirtle
with a great take on the hit… make sure and check out the comments from Caps owner Ted Leonsis in there. Jaw dropping…
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Link, please.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Mar 16, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
one sec… the link disappeared from the post for some reason
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link
is here…. sorry bout that
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Thanks WAACH 'CAST.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
by Chuckles Canuckles on Mar 16, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
On a brighter note
At the beginning of the season when the division predictions were being made and everyone placed Calgary in first (in ink), it was difficult to even argue. There was the “maybe we’ll get on a run and supplant them” thing, but…
Really, who can we blame? Jokinen? Sutter? Keenan? Another Sutter?
It’s still unbelievable to me they are in such a dire spot right now. Same goes for Anaheim.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
I actually felt they might miss the playoffs… then again I had the Oilers squeaking in
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by WAACH 'Cast on Mar 16, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
It would be nice to see the Canucks play Andrew Raycroft tonight, and make sure Roberto Luongo is well rested for a huge game with the Sharks Thursday night.
I see your point by I disagree. First off, Luongo doesn’t like that much rest. And second off, fans are paying a shiznitload of money to watch this team play, and they goddamn want their chance to “Luuuuuuuuuuuu”
by Beantown Canuck on Mar 16, 2010 10:44 AM PDT reply actions
It’s alright. Didja hear? We score lotsa goals now!
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
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by eightyseven on Mar 16, 2010 10:48 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I know I know… I would still predict we win with Rayzor. It’s not about that. See my points!
by Beantown Canuck on Mar 16, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
You’re right, Mr. Lawyer man. Luu-ing live is definitely thrilling.
Guess I’m biased too ‘cause all the games I’ve watched Luongo was in net.
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by eightyseven on Mar 16, 2010 10:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh good a correction
I thought you were going Newfie on us for a second there…not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
from Jeff Marek via twitter
Hawks release statement on Brian Campbell: Suffered clavicle and rib fractures. No surgery. 7-8 weeks
Alex Ovechkin releases statement: Is sorry Campbell is hurt. Say’s he didn’t intend to injure him. Disappointed by the 2 game suspension.
And from a Habs writer, a story about a player in midget hockey who was pushed
http://bit.ly/77NvVm
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Dan Murphy
says Glass in for Hordifail tonight
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I thought Downie’s was worse, looked like he was trying to break Crosby’s leg. And he only got a fine?
I dunno if it was worse… but certainly suspension-worthy in my mind without question
by Beantown Canuck on Mar 16, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
OMG where did "look both ways before you cross the street" go
From the moment a hockey player is introduced to checking they are taught to look before you go into the corner. Ever heard the phrase “keep your head up” It was coined in hockey and is the rule of the ice. If you are stupidly playing russian roulette (pun works better in this case) with your broken bones and head concussions then turn your back to the player coming to hit you and don’t try to hit him back to allow for the momentum to slow you going into the boards… the boards in NHL rinks are like th ropes in a boxing ring. They bend and move 2 feet when impart is given. If you think for a second that Campbell was unaware you are just helping the lawyers play the game. Soon we’ll all just wait for the lawsuit to finish the appeal process before we know the outcome of the stanley cup. Hockey is about hitting and taking hits as much as its about scoring and defence. every player knows how to draw a penalty. and letting the boards hit you hard as you do nothing to protect yourself is just stupid but it does allow for the other player to possibly get a penalty and that might be enough to allow a power play goal which could be the difference. thus players take these chances. but honestly people it’s not like green didn’t know he was letting himself be hit in a vunerable position. He’s played since he was 5 and he’s been in every imaginable collision there is by the time he was 15. He didn’t just learn to skate this year despite others comments that he never learned to play defence.( which is why they weren’t in the cup final last year) yes Ovi hit him… but Brian was trying to get him to hit him in the back and draw a penalty. ITs a rule that has allowed the “victim” player to barter with his life. Stupid rule if you ask me. The player used to turn and hit the oncoming player and then player with the best balance was still standing and would play the puck and we called it hockey. now the player being hit determines if this is the opportunity of his life to draw a major penalty and hope he doesn’t get too hurt by the hit….. “wait for it” so… he “turns his back” to the player and then waits for the punishment. unaware of just how hard the hit will be because he is now not looking. I think we still tell our children to look both ways before they cross the street … we don’t tell them to walk out in the traffic and hope you get rich from the lawsuit. Why do we allow this mentality in hockey… oh yea… cause of idiots who think its their helping the game.
Its a stupid rule… so is the non checking rule till your in peewee…when the size difference is the largest… absolutely stupid… can’t believe we let these things into hockey. Get the lawyers out of the hockey world please… and you whiners in the press you think you know how to hold a stick and play… get over it … let the players make up the rules…their the ones playing it…
You’ve got a good point there, and the player who barters his life with the hope that he won’t get hit, should not complain afterwards, if his plan doesn’t work out.
But what if he makes an honest mistake, or if he gets into a vulnerable position due to a slip or a trip,…or some accident? Do you still believe that he deserves a broken neck?
Los Angeles, CA
Watch it again.
Campbell didn’t “turn his back to the play”.
He wasn’t trying to “get Ovechkin to hit him”.
Campbell was going behind the net after backhanding the puck away from the play.
Ovechkin deliberately pushed Campbell high into the boards when there was no play to make. This is a play defensemen do all the time. You’ll see it in at least half the games you watch – the defending player chases the puck with a forechecker on him, so he sweeps it out long the boards while he goes behind the net. A very, very common play.
So what was different this time? Watch it again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14oUVVTY05s
I kike this post.
But Campbell was just cutting behind the net after dropping the pass back.
Ovie was too far behind to get a big hit, and pushed.
It was a dirty play when I played as a youngin…and a dirty play now.
Yes, he should keep his head up, and he did go into the corner. But he was far enough ahead of Ovie that he should not have expected the push.
Ovie did wrong. Even in the old days of the instigator rule. He would have been fighting the Hawks version of Semenko on the next shift…if not immediately.
Hockey players have a very finely tuned sense of what is dirty or not.
And Campbell didn’t do the pussy move of turning his back to the checker to try and draw a penalty. He was just heading towards the other side…when Ovie gave him a full push with both arms.
It was a dirty play. Thats why he got suspended. It wasn’t part of the “pansification” of hockey…or because of the lawyers.
It was because Ovie was too far behind and didn’t think to just let him go. If he was a stride closer, and hit him through the boards, I have no problem. But he was not. And he pushed from behind.
Murphy ; "You finished with the Twins against Nashville, and AV elected to keep you guys together for today, were you happy with the decision?"
Mikael Samuelsson ; " I was happy with it...Oh yeah. Sure"
It was because Ovie was too far behind and didn’t think to just let him go bq.
I imagine that he did the push out of frustration, some people just can’t accept the fact that they were beaten on a play, and Ovie is like that. If you beat him, he will get back to you one way or another. Crossing the line is one way, and I am sure he knows that he crossed the line.
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It’s a ridiculous argument. Campbell didn’t turn his back to Ovechkin his back was to him the whole time. I understand people defending their favorite players when they make mistakes, I had friends try to defend Bertuzzi and at times I have leaned that way myself, but to base your argument on the fact that Campbell turned when the video clearly shows he didn’t turn is ludicrous. No one is against the rule where you can’t take a guys feet out while chasing down an icing, even if it’s accidental, because it’s dangerous and leads to injury so why are some people trying to argue that what Ovechkin did was OK? He had a guy facing the boards and in that very dangerous area where he is about 5-10 feet away from the boards and he pushed him hard from behind. It’s just as dangerous.
And the whole turning argument is ridiculous too. If I turn towards the boards and you still hit me from behind it is still your fault if I get hurt. When a player turns, and just to be clear Campbell certainly did not, and faces the boards it is the other players responsibility to not check him. I may have put myself in a position where getting hurt becomes more likely but I didn’t hit myself into the boards. It’s that simple. You can’t hit a guy without the puck and guys manage to avoid it for the most part so why can’t they avoid hitting guys who are facing the boards?
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If I turn towards the boards and you still hit me from behind it is still your fault if I get hurt.
See that’s where I have a problem. Sure it’s the checker’s fault in the rulebook, but in general players should turn their backs. Especially when the hit is coming and there is no time for the checker to back off.
That’s chicken shit
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 16, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
What’s chicken shit about it? It’s more dangerous if I turn so I don’t see how that’s chicken shit. I should be allowed to turn which ever way I want. What if a guy turns cause he is trying to play the puck? Is that OK? But it’s not OK to turn unless there is a good reason? If you see a players back you stop. It’s that simple. If you don’t it’s your fault if the guy gets hit. Plain and simple.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
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And I’m saying some guys turn at the last second and there is no time to stop
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 16, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
the problem is, the capitals held this hit up, saying you can’t suspend Ovechkin when Koci didn’t get suspended. Now when you take into consideration Bruce Boudreau today saying Ovechkin didn’t hurt Campbell, the boards did, and these hits are essentially the same…
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Well…except for Koci came from almost the blue line to blindside a guy, and Ovie was tracking Campbell the whole way…than yeah.
Both are fine examples of no respect for your opponent. Both were dirty plays.
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Mikael Samuelsson ; " I was happy with it...Oh yeah. Sure"
A player who turns his back to negate a hit makes himself a victim. If that’s the way you expect to avoid veing hit it’s time to find yourself a nice non-contact sport.
Players pulling that bullshit are resposible for their own injuries. it’s akin to someone telling you they’re gonna punch you, so you close your eyes to try and make it go away.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
Well in your closing eyes example the guy still assaulted me so what’s your point?
So if I try to avoid being hit by turning and then a guy kills me by plowing me into the boards it’s my own fault? I hope you guys don’t play hockey cause lawyers defending you against murder charges aren’t cheap.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
I mean if I see a guys numbers I stop. If he turns at the last second I try to avoid him, I wrap him up if I can or do whatever I can to avoid slamming him into the boards. Even if it means putting my arm out and bracing against the glass to try to slow us both down. That’s just me though. I respect the other guys out there with me on the ice.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
OK well that’s the difference between us right there.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 16, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
That works great in rec league hockey. These guys are getting paid millions to go out and hit someone. IT IS their dayjob.
You see yo’re gonna get hit, brace yourself or get out of the way if you can. That is how you protect yourself.
You can’t turn your back like a 5 year old hiding under a blanket and yell out. "you can’t see me " then hope for the best. You leave yourself totally unprotected with no control of the situation.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
It’s called spinning away from the hit and I do it all the time.
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"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
god help me , I'm quoting Yoata
apples and oranges.
You’re not getting forechecked by someone skating 30 mph, I don’t even know if you play in a contact league (there are few).
Everyone wants to play the game they love and go home to the family or job or whatever, injury free.
My point is I see someone in the NHL see a hit coming and turn their back on it. I cringe every time. They make themselves evry bit as guilty a sthe person who hit them. They are coached far beyond the level of blind faith.
If we’re talking about Campbell here, I place no blame on him, I don’t believe he ever even anticipated contact on that play.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
Yeah but whatever the player does or doesn’t do when they see a hit coming or if they don’t see it coming it doesn’t matter. It’s still the guy doing the hitting who has the responsibility. Didn’t your coach every teach you that? As the guy doing the hitting it’s you who has the responsibility to make the hit clean and if someone gets hurt because it wasn’t clean it is you who has to face the consequences.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
My coach taught me to never leave my fate in the hands of an opponent. Head on a swivel and never take anything for granted.
My coach ever taught us that the onus of the game was on the hitter and we didn’t need to worry about as long as we played fair, I would have at the very least experienced one dead teammate in my lifetime.
Strong words, yes, but rule number one, same as boxing, protect yourself at all times.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
That’s not what I am saying. I am not saying that you don’t have to protect yourself. but if you are throwing a hit it is YOUR responsibility for that hit to be clean. And that is a big responsibility. How could you argue against that? So if you are about to hit me then I have to make sure it’s a clean hit? That’s ludicrous.
I am not saying players should turn towards the boards but if they do and they get hit from behind it isn’t their own fault. That’s stupid.
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"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
If I turn towards the boards and you still hit me from behind it is still your fault if I get hurt.
I was basing my statement on that. If it wasn’t how you intended….great, that’s how I read it.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
Right…so what’s the problem with that? If you hit me and I get hurt it’s your fault. Unless it’s a clean hit. And hitting a guy from behind is NEVER clean.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
…unless he looks right at you and turns his back to you at the last second.
Otherwise, we got shit all sorted out. On to Palestine we go. An afternoon is all it should take, sign a peace treaty and hit the Gaza Hooters.
My treat.
Leave my name alone Botchford...get your own.
but if you are throwing a hit it is YOUR responsibility for that hit to be clean. And that is a big responsibility. How could you argue against that?
If you turn your back at the last second it should be YOUR fault. There is no nice way of putting it.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 16, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope. A hit from behind is a dirty hit regardless of what the guy who got hit did. If you shoot your gun into an empty field and I walk into the bullet it’s still your fault that I am dead.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
Been reading with interest. Everybody sounds like they played…so the viewpoint is educated.
But I have to agree with the majority on the last second turn. Knowing that the hit is coming, and turning the back at the last second to draw a penalty is wrong, precisely because of the fact that it is my responsibility to hit clean.
How is it possible for me to do that when I am getting ready to hit you in the shoulder, and you turn the numbers at the last second? Thats the question here.
All I can do to try and be clean is let up, try to brace you and myself. That kinetic energy is going to go someplace…so you turn you back, and though I try and stop the hit, its too late…
Because you took away the responsibility I am supposed to have to hit you clean by not just taking the hit, and/or trying to draw a penalty.
Just my 2 drachmas…Gaza Hooters sounds like it would be hot!!
Orange burqas?
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Mikael Samuelsson ; " I was happy with it...Oh yeah. Sure"
How is it possible for me to do that when I am getting ready to hit you in the shoulder, and you turn the numbers at the last second? Thats the question here.
Yes, that is my point
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 16, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
By not pushing
Pushing (which is what Ovechkin did) is NOT the same as hitting. One more stride and Ovie could have simply carried the hit into the boards – except that Campbell was too fast, and would have been out of reach.
So Ovie pushed him, deliberately knocking him headfirst into the boards. It wasn’t a check, it was a push to knock someone off balance because the guy was too fast for him. Same story for kneeing someone so they won’t get past you.
Or have I missed a part of this debate, and am whining about something that’s already agreed upon? I’m good at that!
haha, no your point is a different take. To me there is no diff between pushing or hitting when it comes to play at that distance from the boards. OV is a tough cat plus he was skating 100 mph.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 16, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Force equals mass times ???
Murphy ; "You finished with the Twins against Nashville, and AV elected to keep you guys together for today, were you happy with the decision?"
Mikael Samuelsson ; " I was happy with it...Oh yeah. Sure"
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Their getting paid millions? So that’s the excuse for allowing them to plow other guys face first into the boards and then blaming the other guy? I happen to think that since they are professionals and getting paid millions that we should hold them to a HIGHER standard. Again that’s just me.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
You and Ray Bourque both
Bourque made a habit of carrying opponents into the boards with him, then laughing at them as they tried to escape.
Man, that guy was awesome.
great post...
i completely agree with your stance. yes i love the way Ovi plays he arguably plays with the most passion and intensity of anybody in the league. But at some point you can’t hide behind that forever. Just cuz u play with un-matched intensity doesn’t mean you can go out and put “borderline” hits at best on anybody you want, and just expect nothing to come from it. as said many of times before this wasn’t soupy trying to draw a penalty, nor is it his fault for not skating well enough. He is one of the fastest and smoothest skating D men on the team and league. Any way great post guys.
fisting barry rozner with every goal!!!
by soupy's spin-o-rama on Mar 16, 2010 12:40 PM PDT reply actions

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