Kesler's so good/Kesler's gonna get so paid.
by Passive Voice on Mar 10, 2010 10:53 PM PST
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Gabe Desjardins, commandant of Behind The Net, yesterday put up the clearest objective demonstration--that I've seen--of what we all subjectively suspect/know: that Ryan Kesler is only partly human.
Link here. He rates players' according to how well they're outperforming their expected ES Corsi. If that sounds like gibberish, it's basically a measure of how well a player gets the puck moving north at 5-on-5; Kesler's third in the league behind Nashville's apparently-dynamic duo of Martin Erat and Marcel Goc (to be known henceforth as a single entity called Rat Gooch). Nashville's surprising duo aside, I'd say the list passes the sniff test, with the Eurotwins, Lidstrom, Weber, Keith, Ovechkin, Bergeron, Suter, Marleau, Toews, Hossa, and Pavelski all dotting the top-30.
I love it when Canucks do well, but does Kes have to do so well in a contract year? I'm sure the guys at M&G and C&B have already forwarded that link to Kurt Overhardt several hundred times.
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PS: apparently Balls has caught flack in some circles for having a shitty raw Corsi number (currently second-worst in the league among forwards with 20+ games, ahead of only Georges Laraque). He does, of course, take a shit-tonne of own-zone draws, which will naturally bring those numbers down. With Gabe’s most recent adjustments, Johnson doesn’t rank in the bottom 30.
Here’s hoping that whole “home team discount” thing he talked the talk about is what he’ll walk the walk about (and therefore not walk… if that makes sense). We really cannot replace him on this team.
There are maybe two or three players (if that) that can do what he does. Can anyone name any in fact? A player who can literally excel in any situation, perform any role defensively or offensively in any configuration, plays with grit and passion, and scores 70 points?
by Beantown Canuck on Mar 11, 2010 8:27 AM PST reply actions
Mark Messier when he was under thirty, but I’m not sure if he’s available….
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Just dangle some potato chips in front of him.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
Heh, no, over 30 Messier is no good for the Canucks…we already saw that once…chips or no…
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"you'll be playing in england the rest of your career" Sir Alex Burrows
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Team Canada had two of them. Toews and Richards.
by Vancouverguy on Mar 11, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
There are maybe two or three players (if that) that can do what he does. Can anyone name any in fact? A player who can literally excel in any situation, perform any role defensively or offensively in any configuration, plays with grit and passion, and scores 70 points?
The closest comparable players IMO: Mikko Koivu, Mike Richards, and Jon Toews. I can’t give him Datsyuk/Zetterberg/etc type of status because those guys are way more skilled with the puck and have won Cups to boot.
He can probably get $5.5-6.0M on the open market right now as his stock is very high. If MG could lock him up for $4.5-5.0M per (hometown discount included), that would be fantastic.
Poutine & Meatballs
Does anyone really think any player would be willing to give a hometown discount of that much money? By your numbers a million or more per year? That’s highly unlikely.
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by Section 312 on Mar 11, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
That’s true you didn’t. It would be fantastic if MG pulls that kind of deal off. But I can’t see it.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 11, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah Sectiom …I do. Though I do agree…I expect the HTD to be in the mid to high six figures than anywhere near seven figures.
There is ample precedent on his own team. ( I’ll try to find some later, on other teams, than this post…its late! )
Burrows is an obvious one, but the Sedins probably lest a million each on the table. It happens all the time in the NHL, as more players understand the Cap.
When you are that rich, if its 26 mil instead of 29 over 5 years, its not a big a deal. Everything is a negotiation.
Murphy ; "You finished with the Twins against Nashville, and AV elected to keep you guys together for today, were you happy with the decision?"
Mikael Samuelsson ; " I was happy with it...Oh yeah. Sure"
Well if you are a player who plays the style that Kesler does you need to make sure you get paid while you’ve got the chance since you don’t know how long your body will hold up. A guy like Kesler has maybe one more big contract after this one so he needs to make sure he cashes in while he can.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 12, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not terribly concerned that they broke off negotiations. Same crap happened with the Sedins last year. Plenty of posturing on both sides, but in the end, it will get this done. If you take Kesler at his word, he doesn’t want to leave. But MG’s a fool if he let’s it drag into July 1st. He’s already had one RFA retaliatory offer in his brief tenure, Kesler’s would be far worse.
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oh, i’m dece confident kes will get re-signed. i just think it’s gonna be way more expensive than any of us would have guessed about a year ago.
by Passive Voice on Mar 11, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha love that he’s doing so well! Hate that it’s a contract year. Hopefully he’ll follow Burrows’ and the Sedins’ and continue to set PBs even after extending.
BTW: “gonna get so paid?” “dece”?
You’re so hood. :)
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by eightyseven on Mar 11, 2010 10:03 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
i just think it’s gonna be way more expensive than any of us would have guessed about a year ago.
Agreed
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 11, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Mar 11, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
He’s definitely stepped up his value. Only thing I’m concerned about is his durability if MG signs him to a length term. Kes has already spent a lot of time injured and he plays an aggressive style already.
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 11, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
BTW – check out Raymond being 5th on that list. What a season he’s having.
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Explain to him that there’s a 30 goal man on the second line… Raymond was moved down to increase scoring throughout the team, and he’s expected to be a leader at this stage.
Suck it up, Buttercup!
by Thursday on Mar 13, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What he said.
3rd line has responded lately with a more concerted effort too.
Murphy ; "You finished with the Twins against Nashville, and AV elected to keep you guys together for today, were you happy with the decision?"
Mikael Samuelsson ; " I was happy with it...Oh yeah. Sure"
It's going to be 5+ cap hit
and I doubt anyone saw that coming.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
Unless he Luongo’s him and breaks it up over the course of, you know, a century or so.
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 11, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Kesler’s probably too young for that. More likely he’ll get a nice 3-5 year deal.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Maybe, maybe not. Either way think about if MG knows he has Lui, the twins and Kesler locked down until the end of 2015. Add to that Burrows and Edler locked in until the end of 2014. There’s your Canucks core.
Lost in this is also the defense. Does Mitchell walk this year? And the end of 2012 will suck with Bieksa, Salo, Ehrhoff and Alberts all UFA’s.
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 11, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
On the assumption Mitchell returns this year (no sure thing) and that he’s 100% going into next years training camp, I’d say he’s taking a pay cut or he’s not back with Vancouver.
The team has proved it can survive without him, and I just don’t think the money is there for a similar contract. He’s also almost 33. If he’s interested in a $6m over 3 year deal or something like that, I probably consider that. Anything more than that (or maybe $5m over 2 years), I think I’m saying “thanks but no thanks”.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
We can survive sure, but that’ll be the second straight summer we lost a top 2 defenseman. We got lucky with Ehrhoff. Alberts is not a replacement for Mitchell, so in that case, I wonder who is.
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 11, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
We can always look for a replacement. And it’s better to let someone go too early than sign them for too much for too long.
Replacements? Hamhuis. Volchenkov. Those would be the prime “younger” candidates, I suppose. Other veteran options are out there, as listed here.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
Yeah, MG isn’t going to get into a bidding war either. Or he’s certainly not known too.
Seidenberg, Leopold, Martin and Tallinder are some others out there. Not sure they can fill in Mitchell’s skates.
Or if you want to get crazy, some available RFA’s include Marc Staal, Erik Johnson, Grebeshkov and Letang.
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 11, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
No way in hell are we getting Staal, and frankly I’m not so hot on Johnson.
I’m really, really hoping Mitchell comes back – we’ve proved we can win without him, sure… for a while. Then things (like the GAA) start to slip.
Depends on what Mitchell wants though, right? I mean, Hamhuis was supposedly looking for a 3.5M deal, for multiple years, if that works for Staal, I’d take him over Hamhuis.
by Vancouverguy on Mar 13, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
no way the Rangers let Staal go. No way
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 13, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
$25m over 5 years?
Or is that enough?
27.5?
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
Careful. The NHL’s investigation into front-loaded, long-term contracts will wind up any minute now. You just wait. Yep, any day now, you’ll see. The moment is at hand.
/rocks back and forth, softly whistling to himself.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
Shouldn’t we get the deal done ASAP then? Would NHL do something to the teams retroactively?
by Vancouverguy on Mar 11, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Ahem
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
http://www.nucksmisconduct.com/2010/2/1/1288070/canucks-and-keslers-agent-cease#30111005
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
Credit where credit is due
My biggest surprise is that Kes has kept it up.
I’m probably in the “sign him for a couple years to get past RFA status and see where he’s at then” camp. We DO have a rather good C prospect that needs some playing time as well.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
I think
if Kes wants t o stay, Gillisgan will get it done, doesn’t have the sack to let him walk away, not that he should.
Which may well lead to a Hodgson deal, unless he becomes so good on the 3rd line that they can’t let him go either, then it gets interesting, cuz I don’t really see either moving to the wing, but you never know.
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
Wasn’t Kesler on Sundin’s wing last year? No problems there iirc
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 12, 2010 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of Sundin: I forget where I read it, but he told Gillis last season that Kesler was one guy who didn’t know how good he was yet.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 12, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't Kes
play the middle more?
Took the draws, checked the opposing centre?
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
your memory is about as good as mine! haha. What you’re saying makes sense though, but I faintly remember Mats taking many of them.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 12, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I’m not sure on that but what I do think is that is where he would best benefit any team, he is like a bigger version of Kris Draper with more talent, I just wonder where that leaves Hodg, we shall see.
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
Kesler took about 200 more faceoffs than Sundin did last season, so if they played on the same line, it looks like the Canucks did the “winger takes the draw” move… On the other hand, Kesler played a huge amount short handed, especially compared to Sundin, so there’d be a load of draws right there.
Sundin also did not show up until Xmas
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 13, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Comon Kess - live what you preach!
“If we’re going to win the Cup, we need guys to take pay cuts. The way the salary cap is now, you really can’t get what you’re worth now if you want to win. Everybody in this lockerroom knows that.”
No where in that quote does he that 1) He is willing to take a pay cut he just says we need guys to take pay cute, maybe so he doesn’t have to? And 2) He doesn’t say anything about if he wants to win a cup or not…maybe he just wants to get paid?
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 11, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
He really wants a cup. What kinda happiness is that last half-mil gonna buy you that means more to a professional than winning the cup?
And yeah, he’s having a good year but … if you were gonna poach an RFA, would you be more or less inclined towards one who’d said “we all need to take pay cuts to win” but then reneged and chased the bucks when his own turn came around? Would you feel confident, when offering a multi-year contract to that guy, that he’d continue to perform at the same high level once the money was in the bank?
There’s lotsa reasons to want Kesler on your team, but his pay-cut statement undercuts his bargaining position somewhat. And I don’t think it worries him, I think he just wants market rate, less a discount, and he’ll be happy.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Which is, in casual's world?
C’mon, prediction time! :)
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
He’s never going to sign a 4 plus year deal for less than market value. UFA status is 27 or 7 and Kesler is close to 27 and close to having 7 years experience in the league. If you want him less than market value it will be a 1 or 2 year deal so he gets to UFA sooner. Would you rather Kesler signs for longer term without a home town discount or he takes the HTD and walks in two years for a 6.5+ per deal?
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 11, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
There is a lot of pressure on these guys from the NHPLA, Agents and others to get as much money as possible. And as I have said before he might be willing to sign for a couple hundred thousand less in Vancouver but if the Nucks are offering 5 and someone else offers 6 and a longer term how can you turn that down?
And I really don’t think any GM anywhere in the world would care about that comment if they wanted to sign him. That quote shows that he wants to win and that he understands how things work in the cap era. But that doesn’t mean he has to sign here or he is just a greedy mercenary who is playing for the money. Would anyone be worried that Kesler would stop competing hard once he gets a big deal? I for one am not in any way shape or form worried about that. If I was going to poach a RFA I would be more inclined towards Kesler, especially as the GM of an American team with 2 first round picks (remember there are 4 of them), than any other RFA in the last 5 years. He is a potential Captain, top 6 forward who is an elite shut down guy as well as being a point a game guy or close. He is just coming into his prime and he is perfect for the new NHL with the way he skates. Plus he has huge marketability in the USA right now. What GM wouldn’t want Kesler regardless of any quote you can dig out?
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 11, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Well, the other unknown is where the cap is going. That heavily impacts what we can afford to allocate to Kes. MG and Aqulini I think would happily pay him $6-$7 mill per year if there was no such thing as cap issues.
by Beantown Canuck on Mar 11, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed; it’s entirely a cap issue. Kes’s improved play this year prob bumps him up to something like 5 years for $25m, but we’ll see. A good playoff run this year would help.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
I’ll guess between 5.5 – 6 million per.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 11, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
And as I have pointed out there are 4 USA based teams with 2 first rounders in this years draft. So losing one of them isn’t that big of a deal.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 12, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
technically, they’d be giving up 2011 draft picks. but yeah, if i were an almost-there type team (say, maybe, Columbus? Smashville?), 1st, 2nd, 3rd would seem like an awfully reasonable price for Kes’ services.
by Passive Voice on Mar 12, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps, but he has to be a day-in, day-out draw, like and Ovechkin or a Crosby, cuz those franchises are struggling, and if they continued to struggle, only now with no draft picks to give the fans hope, then yikes for them. It’d be a gamble for them to put so many eggs in one basketthat could underperform or get injured at any time.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
But signing any player ever is a gamble. There is always risk but you have to base decisions on what your people tell you and I am sure pretty much everyone in the NHL covets Kesler. Especially in American markets.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 12, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
Having a set of players/picks is less risky than having just one. Might still be worth it, but the risk is there, nonetheless.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
I’m not sure I understand your point…..
There is risk in every draft pick, every FA signing and every contract extension. If you were worried about limiting your risk as a GM you would never end up making any moves. Kesler is a proven NHL player and should be a multiple Selke nominee by the end of this year. There isn’t much risk in signing him when he is 25 compared to the risk of actually having a first rounder reach the level Kesler is already at.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 12, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
3 players are less likely to get injured or to underperform than is one. The risk is greater with just the one, tho it might be worth it if you feel strongly about the player and you are uncertain about the picks.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Is anyone ever certain about a pick?
And if you are giving up 3 draft picks you aren’t giving up 3 players. One in the hand is worth 3 in the draft or something like that.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 12, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
I'd take Kes right now
over the compensation, esp with the lottery.
Nucks can’t afford to wait 2-5 years for picks to contribute, they need to strike while the iron’s hot.
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
I am sure pretty much everyone in the NHL covets Kesler. Especially in American markets.
Could you imagine if Kesler ended up in Detroit? NOOOOOO
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 12, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
That
wouldn;t be too shabby at all…
now the leaf on the other hand…
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
heh
that too
Boob Cole would go into convulsions
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
However
Didn’t Burke draft Kes? I won’t be surprised if he makes an offer if Gillis doesn’t get it done before summer.
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
Agreed
Of course, what picks does Burkie have to give up? Hasn’t he already lost them all? He doesn’t have a 2011 1st.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
Good ?
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
Burke would have to trade for most of the compensation required before he could offer Kes’ anything.
Murphy ; "You finished with the Twins against Nashville, and AV elected to keep you guys together for today, were you happy with the decision?"
Mikael Samuelsson ; " I was happy with it...Oh yeah. Sure"
He's
never been afraid of making multiple moves to an end though, remember the Sedins draft?
Not saying it’s likely, but he does have Kaberle to use.
Everybody knows
That the world is full of stupid people
Well I got the pistols so I'll keep the Pesos
Yeah that seems fair
And we all know Leafs fans think he is worth a 1st and 2nd all by himself!!
;-)
Murphy ; "You finished with the Twins against Nashville, and AV elected to keep you guys together for today, were you happy with the decision?"
Mikael Samuelsson ; " I was happy with it...Oh yeah. Sure"
Kaberle is worth that much! haha, oh yeah it’s true!
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 13, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Still the logic applies. If you have two first rounders this year and you give up one next year it still evens out.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 12, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
Smashville loves the draft too much to be giving that many picks away
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 12, 2010 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
Fear not. Kesler wants to stay in Vancouver. Vancouver wants to keep Kesler. His agent’s job is to get more money. Gillis job is to get him for the least possible. Those first two statements will trump the last two at the end of the day. The agent and the GM will find a way to get this done, and yeah it’s going to take a chunk out of cap space. I don’t think Kesler is expendable. The only question we have is how much it’s going to cost, and the only real concern is that someone bobby clark’s him again, thereby boosting his price beyond what he may have been happy with. I’m sure gillis is smart enough to see this, and will strive to get it done before he actually becomes an rfa. Didn’t we resign burrows last year right at the start of the playoffs? Don’t be surprised to see similar timing here.
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Yeah, but they have already said that they will not continue negotiations until the season is over.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 11, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
and that they don’t want to talk about it until the season is over
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 11, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
Apparently Bernier is out for 4-6 weeks.
Maybe he’ll be back for playoffs. I hope not, I love Hansen on the third line.
"But yeah…like CC…I harbour no ill will." - VancityDan
by Chuckles Canuckles on Mar 11, 2010 2:46 PM PST reply actions
I agree.
I wouldn’t mind having Bernier back for the 4th line though. We could use a big body to crash around in the playoffs because we don’t have much of that up front right now.
Poutine & Meatballs
you bet. Bernie on the 4th line. Rypien can sit. There isn’t much fighting in the playoffs anyway
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 11, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
Bernier on 4th
I think it’s a good idea. As much as Bernier is Hands of Stone, Rypper, Johnson and Hordi are Hands of Sand.
by Bobby Canuck on Mar 11, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
I still find it ridiculous that Bernier, a possible 4th liner, is getting paid more than Kesler.
Who is an alternate (and possible future) captain of the Canucks, a core player, talented both defensively and offensively, and has a heart of a lion. Insane.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Mar 11, 2010 4:20 PM PST reply actions
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