Bernier's Sports Hernia
Turns out Bernier's been injured since January. I guess that explains a few things.
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thelastjohnny
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I’d like to know if the team knew about this before the trade deadline a week ago.
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Probably did…it would go a long ways to explain why he wasn’t off loaded.
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Hrmm actually according to the article they just found out. Interesting…so they just plain didn’t want to trade him?
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Another example of a player being seriously hurt and our medical staff not knowing? Oh no I am sure, since casual converted me, that it’s Bernier’s fault for not properly reporting how he was feeling.
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by Section 312 on Mar 10, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Hehe well the article does state that they knew he was playing hurt…but that they thought it was a groin strain til he went to a speciallist. I don’t think that’s a case of the team medical staff screwing up, it’s more a case of a difficult to diagnose problem.
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Oh OK. So this time we knew he was hurt and let him play anyway? That’s slightly better than making him play cause we didn’t know he was hurt.
And GAHHHHH! this isn’t a shot at you and I am not trying to be a dick and I am clearly not a doctor. But isn’t a sports hernia one of the easiest injuries to diagnose? The Eagles diagnosed Donovan McNabb with one like 3 hours after he left a game once.
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by Section 312 on Mar 10, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Everyone on the team plays hurt all the time; aches and pains are a part of the job. When they last “too long” is when you get them checked out. It’s kinda like when you get a sore throat and the sniffles: you probably don’t rush to see the doc right away, but if it persists for several months you do.
Why do so many people think medical diagnosis is always such a cut-and-dried, black-or-white process? It’s not.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Yeah cause having a sore throat and having a sports hernia are so similar.
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"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 10, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
No, having a sore throat and having a sore groin are similar. They can both be symptoms of a bigger problem.
So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.
by thelastjohnny on Mar 10, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I guess. But one means you have to drink some tea and not talk too much and the other means you need to go see your team doctor to find out what is wrong so you know how soon you can play again.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 10, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah cause having a sore throat and having a sports hernia are so similar.
They’re both representative of how a small problem and a large one can initially present with the same symptoms.
And if you’re getting both a sore throat and a sports hernia from the same activity … you might wanna consider using mouthwash!
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
That’s so gross.
But I do always use mouthwash. You can’t be too careful. Very good advice casual.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 10, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
As pain in the groin and pelvis can be referred from a number of problems, including injuries to the lumbar spine, the hip joint, the sacro-iliac joint, the abdomen, and the genito-urinary system, diagnosis of athletic pubalgia requires skillful differentiation and pubic examination in certain cases where there is intense groin pain.
Apparently it’s not very easy.
Whereas athletic pubalgia is the medical term for sports hernia.
So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.
by thelastjohnny on Mar 10, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
The most notable clinical sign is dilation of the superficial inguinal ring on the affected side, which can be palpated by the examining doctor when the scrotum is inverted with the little finger.
By the way, it doesn’t seem like the most pleasant thing to check for.
So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.
by thelastjohnny on Mar 10, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
But it’s a sports hernia. Surely it’s not easy to diagnose unless you happen to work for a sports team where a sports hernia is fairly common. I mean, Bernier says he has a pain that kind of sounds like it could be a sports hernia and you work for a sports team….what do you do?
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 10, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, I’m not a sports doctor, I’m just quoting the facts from wikipedia. If you want specifics on the situation, then you better ask those involved instead of on some guy on a blog. I’m sure strained groins are common as well in Hockey, so maybe it’s fine to say, “Hey, just play through it for a bit and if it’s still there, then it’s probably a sports hernia and we’ll have to send you to a specialist.” Maybe it’s even harder to diagnose when it initially becomes a problem, versus when it’s been a problem for two months.
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by thelastjohnny on Mar 10, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
I only asked because hockey players – like NFL guys – are very prone to these sorts of injuries. I’m curious if MG truly wanted to see some changes on the third line, why would they not have examined him quicker since he’s a third line staple is all. Just minor speculation really.
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 10, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
This is the type of injury that has become increasingly prevalent, or, maybe just more understood and diagnosed in recent years.
Every season you see multiple cases and in most of them players opt to play through them and get it fixed with offseason surgery (see hip flexor).
I won’t think it has anything to do with lack of training staff due diligence until it is proven otherwise.
I think it’s easy to jump on the Canucks medical staff for not diagnosing something early, but that’s not really fair if u know much about the medical world. I don’t, but I had an experience I’ll relate to you.
About this time of 2006 I started getting this wierd hard to localize pain in my left shoulder. It was intermittent, and very difficult to pinpoint. Having grown up on television and knowing that on TV when someone has a heart attack their left shoulder hurts, I was justifiably concerned. So I went to the doctor. They did a bunch of tests, took some blood, checked the blood pressure, gave me a heart ECG and a stress test. Everything turned out excellent, except I had high cholesterol. So there wasn’t any resolution. The pain actually went away shortly after that.
At the end of that year it came back a bit. I dutifully went back to the doctor and we ran the same litany of tests. same result. The pain wasn’t too debilitating, so whatever, move on. Then in the summer of 2007 it started to get much worse. The pain would start in the left shoulder and move to the center of my diaphragm. Still negative on all the tests etc. We started to think it was a gastric issue. No. Maybe lungs, as I’d smoked for many years tho quit earlier that year. No not that either. My girlfriend who’s dad had had some heart issues years ago convinced me to get into the Healthy Heart program at St. Pauls hospital since my cholesterol was pretty high. So in December I went for my first meeting there. Took a lipids specialist about ten minutes to determine I had a genetic thing where my body doesn’t process cholesterol properly (I’m adopted so didn’t know the family history at all). OK, that’s fine, but the heart and blood pressure still show up as perfect. Let’s do another stress test (the third one in a year). I lasted all of 50 seconds on the treadmill this time before the pain got to be so much I had to stop. So they now figured I actually did have a heart problem.
Within a week I had an angiogram; this is now mid January. They figured they might have to put a stent in during the angiogram, as still there didn’t appear to be any actually heart issues, just a blood flow issue. Wrong…turned out I had 100% blockage in 2 arteries, and over 75% in three others. Within 3 weeks I was in the hospital for a quintuple bypass. At 40.
My point with all this is that the heart is one thing western doctors know a shitload about…and it STILL took two years to diagnose a serious issue I had, and even that diagnoses came only after seeing a very rare specialist in a very specific field. Medical issues are not always easy to diagnose, even if it’s a typically easy to diagnose issue.
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This is why I could never be in medicine: because every story I hear I would immediately wonder if I have the same problem. Now if I get any sort of weird palpitation I’m going to think of this story. GAHHHH indeed :)
Very glad everything worked out for you. My dad died a few years ago from a massive heart attack while jogging so I sympathize immediately.
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 10, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Your talking about a rare genetic disease occurring on someone who doesn’t know his family medical history. I am talking about a guy who plays a sport for a living getting something called a sports hernia. Little different if you ask me.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
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by Section 312 on Mar 10, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
No, you’re missing the point. My pain wasn’t caused by a rare genetic disease (well, it was ultimately, but the direct reason…) was simple old blocked arteries. something 20 million people in North America have, and leads to a bypass operation, something they do like 20,000 of a year. My point was that something that is often very easily detected and diagnosed was very difficult to detect and diagnose in my case. Medicine is rarely black and white. 9 times out of 10, a sports hernia may be easy to spot…perhaps bernier was that tenth guy tho.
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I’m not saying medicine is black and white. But the guy is an athlete and has a sports hernia. If that’s not easy to spot we’ve got big problems. I mean if a tennis player went months without getting a proper diagnosis on tennis elbow I would think that’s pretty ridiculous too.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 10, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for sharing that, gahhhhh. I’ve had my own heart problems for the past few years, but nothing as frightening as that. Quintuple bypass, jeebus. All I had done was this thing called an ablation, which is just day surgery, usually. Still hurt like hell for a few days after, plus a couple of complications which I won’t get into . Hope things are good for you now.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
Any player would appreciate the care shown by a preemptive inversion of his scrotum, in his own best interest of course, and the training staff surely know this. Presumably there’s a daily sign-off sheet or something to make sure it gets done.
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by casual on Mar 10, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting
Just like the bathroom inspection sheet at IHOP.
“Don’t forget to get cupped before you get on the bus”.
Too funny Cas. +1
Once again casual you resort to these kinds of tricks to try to make someone else look stupid. It’s not going to work this time. Here I can do it too. You seem to think that because something is uncomfortable to diagnose that a doctor and/or an athlete wouldn’t bother to do the test? “Look Steve I think it could be a sports hernia but I would have to invert your scrotum to find out…..let’s just pretend your fine….I did get my license to practice medicine online after all.” “Yeah doc, I would rather play in pain than find out what is wrong and since I don’t like my balls being inverted let’s just see if it goes away on it’s own.” Then they shake hands and move on.
I am sure when an athlete describes pain that could be a sports hernia to the doctor of a sports team it can be very difficult to diagnose. I am sure the term sports hernia isn’t one that the doctor of a sports team hears very often. Or knows much about.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 10, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
It’s tough to be critical without having all the facts on the matter. Did Bernier just originally feel atweak and even tell the staff? When was the first time he reported it? How did he describe symptoms?
I know when I played, as long as I thought I could go out and pay without hurting the team. I would shut up and go play. It’s kind of a case of denial sometimes where you convince yourself you can just work through it. Sound silly until you’ve been there, but I imagine it’s even amplified when you’re in the middle or bottom of the lineup.
Ultimately it was the end for me of my hockey playing days, maybe reporting it would have made a difference, maybe not. All I knew was as long as I could still play, nothing would keep me off the ice.
I’m still not much different. I need to at least be run over by a bus before I go to the doctor.
Ah, but section’s point is that he was in and out of games in January because of a sore groin. Why didn’t they look into the sore groin further instead of assuming it’s a strain?
So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.
by thelastjohnny on Mar 10, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe that was a sore groin. You’re allowed to have more than one injury in a season ( see Salo).
Or maybe the groin injury led to the hernia later on. Until they get teir heads out of their asses and start letting all of us into the dressing room. There is no way to say for sure.
I’m just pointing out that twice this season it seems our players have been left hung out to dry a little by our medical staff. Maybe it just seems that way and that isn’t the case but I couldn’t not mention it. It is OK to question the team you love.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 10, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
No dispute there
You’ probably the best devil’s advocate on this site. Having the alternate opinion is always very important. Best we get to do with limited info is speculate on what’s going on.
Kinda like wondering what your wife is actually doing while you’re at work.(not you personally)
I avoid wifes for just that reason.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Mar 10, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
Bingo
although doesn’t this make 3?
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by Sean Zandberg on Mar 11, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
What is a sports hernia?
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by eightyseven on Mar 10, 2010 11:37 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I’m no doctor but About.com must be:
A sports hernia occurs when there is a weakening of the muscles or tendons of the lower abdominal wall. This part of the abdomen is the same region where an inguinal hernia occurs, called the inguinal canal. When an inguinal hernia occurs there is sufficient weakening of the abdominal wall to allow a pouch, the hernia, to be felt. In the case of a sports hernia, the problem is due to a weakening in the same abdominal wall muscles, but there is no palpable hernia.
It’s not a muscle or conditioning thing always, sometimes the wall is just naturally thin and the hernia appears.
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 10, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
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