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You had to know this was coming: A couple games without production from the Sedins and Alex Burrows and the Vancouver media are after them like starving Rottweilers.

Star-divide

Anyone who thought that the Sedins and Burrows would be able to maintain that mind-boggling pace the rest of the way was simply wrong.  Of course they were going to have some quiet times.  Is it a story?  Is it their fault the team went into a mini-slide?  No and no.  If anything, blame their amazing 3rd period in Toronto.  That little performance likely rallied the coaching staffs in Montreal, Ottawa and Boston to focus more effort on shutting the Sedin line down.

it's not all doom and gloom, folks.  Yes the Canucks didn't want to be at .500 on the road trip at this point, but with the Lightning, Panthers and Blue Jackets coming up this week, the Canucks have an opportunity to stockpile a few more points before the Olympic break. 

Despite their Phoenix-like distractions in Tampa Bay, it looks like stability may be around the corner for the Lightning.  With new owner Jeff Vinik moving into place, and Steven Stamkos looking every bit the blue chipper they thought he would be, Tampa Bay might actually survive all this craziness of the last two seasons.  This will be the first time the Canucks face Mattias Ohlund since he bolted for the Bolts back in July.  He has played well for them, providing solid leadership and mentoring young players like Viktor Hedman.  Will be strange to see him on the opposite side of the ice, but just in case they've forgotten... keep your heads up, boys!

 

Keep it down, I'm trying to sleep!!

Not sure if it's true, but I heard that you can actually hear the party in New Orleans from the International Space Station.  What a thrilling Super Bowl that was, eh?  Drew Brees came out and was simply masterful, one of the best performances in the big game in a long time.  32 of 39, are you kidding me?  The thing I have never understood is the whole knocking of someone's choice in the big game.  There's two teams.  You either choose one, or you don't watch the game.  My rationale for choosing the Saints was simple.  As a Canucks fan, I can relate to a long wait with nothing to show.  That and the city of New Orleans' need after all they've been through.  That onside kick was coaching brilliance. 

Honestly though, as good as that game was the game between the Penguins and Capitals was one of the best regular season hockey games I have seen in a long time.  The Penguins looked like they had their foot on the throat of the Caps and their winning streak, until Alex Ovechkin came out and laid waste to the lead notching the hat trick to tie, salting it in OTwith the set up on the winner.  Right now, the Capitals look unstoppable.  You have to think they might be looking at the Olympic break as a bit of a curse, as they have to shut it down and lose that momentum.  You also wonder if maybe they're peaking too early...

Congrats to the Bruins for snapping their losing streak yesterday.  But for cryin' out loud, can they get a better picture of Tukka Rask for NHL.com?  Dude looks like a freakin' mortician.

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Montreal calls 1pm press conference

Bob McKenzie says Gainey might be stepping down, no one from Montreal is talking, he’s either getting canned or walking out, but either way the timing is odd to say the least

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by canucklehead666 on Feb 8, 2010 9:19 AM PST reply actions  

Hansen recalled

skating with the team today… wanna bet he draws in and Bernier sits again?

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by canucklehead666 on Feb 8, 2010 9:23 AM PST reply actions  

A fantastic move if that’s it’ll take to light a fire under Bernier’s game.

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by Yankee Canuck on Feb 8, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, the Capitals/Penguins match-up is developing into a very exciting rivalry between the two elite teams.
It is strange that the last team to beat the Caps was Tampa Bay, they scored 7 goals against Washington in that game, a month ago.
One month you are humiliated by one of the weaker teams in the league, the next you are the unstoppable cup favorite.
Go figure.

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Feb 8, 2010 9:25 AM PST reply actions  

Bourque out for the Flames

spotted with his arm in a sling… it’s his shoulder and word is he won’t be back until after the Olympics, bad news for the Flames as he was their best point producer lately

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by canucklehead666 on Feb 8, 2010 9:26 AM PST reply actions  

Bob McKenzie

on twitter
Bob Gainey is stepping down as GM of the Canadiens. Pierre Gauthier is taking over

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by canucklehead666 on Feb 8, 2010 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

CoHo

Watched Hodgson in London on Saturday night. The pre-game ceremonial puck drop announcer requested “the captain of the Brampton Battalion Co-Ry HodG-son” join her for the ceremonial puck drop, but other than that, it was a good night. I pretty much exclusively watched him when he was on the ice (the rest of the game was fairly forgettable anyways).

He didn’t (doesn’t) have incredible speed, but the hands, smarts and overall hockey acumen was all on full display, and he had the “2nd gear” needed when an extra burst of speed was required. Best player on the ice for either team, and got an assist with a great backhand pass.

Future looks bright. Hopefully they can get their little spat sorted out.

Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.

by Jevant on Feb 8, 2010 10:14 AM PST reply actions  

Good news, and thanks for the firsthand report. Someone here commented recently that, since Cody’s stride was similar to the Sedins, he might wanna seek out their advice. Makes sense to me.

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

That does make sense.

CoHo seemed to be skating effortlessly, which was good, and he certainly was able to take it up a notch when needed. He actually had a partial shorthanded breakaway that I would have liked to see him pull away from the Knights forward playing d on the PP who gave the puck away, but he never really was completely away and had the puck knocked off his stick at the last minute.

One other thing I forgot to mention – I don’t know where to find the OHL TOI charts (if they exist), but he played a TONNE. First unit PP, first unit PK, and every 3rd shift (if not greater). Must have been out there for 22-25 minutes. And didn’t ever look tired.

Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.

by Jevant on Feb 8, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

There is NO spat.

Don’t believe the hype.

That is just a shitty reporter trying to make a bigger splash.

Matt Sekeres has turned into a douche since joining TEAM 1040.

And that was his story. Nothing to see here folks…

"Of course you know, this means war!!"

Bugs Bunny

by vancitydan on Feb 8, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Well...

…it seems at the very least there is a little something there. I think it’s been extremely overblown, but the high road for management would be to come out in unequivocal terms and say how happy they are to have Hodgson healthy and how they are sorry that things didn’t work out this year with respect to his back. Maybe even a step or two farther – Hodgson has had nothing but positive reviews on his ethic/character, and it would be nice for the organization to recognize the fact that he WAS hurt.

Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.

by Jevant on Feb 8, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

And what about Miniaci, Cody’s new physician? He’s being sued for failing to sterilize equipment properly before operating, thus ending a player’s career:

According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Jurevicius has filed a civil lawsuit in Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court. The defendants are the Browns, the Cleveland Clinic, former team physician Dr. Anthony Miniaci, and current team physician Dr. Richard Figler.

    Jurevicius, per Cabot, claims that the defendants committed negligence and fraud, resulting in the staph infection that possibly has ended his football career.

Apparently the problems with sterilization were not a one-time thing, either; they had been going on since 2003:

Given the team’s problems with staph infections date back to 2003, we’re surprised no one else has sued.

Why did the problems start at that time? What else happened that year?

Miniaci was recruited to Cleveland in 2003 to build the Clinic sports health program. He was named the Browns’ head team physician the same year, replacing Dr. John Bergfeld, who had served that role for 24 years.

So is this a smoking gun? Hardly. In all likelihood it’s nothing, just a blip on the overly-litigious radar south of the border, but it does remind us just how many pieces there are to this puzzle, and why we should not jump to conclusions or run off on a witch hunt.

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

“overly-litigious?”

You freedom hater. I’ll see you in court!

'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.

by Yankee Canuck on Feb 8, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh but I meant it in a good way! Er, yeah, a good way, that’s right.

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by casual on Feb 8, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Go lawyers!!!! Wooowooowoooooo!

by Beantown Canuck on Feb 8, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Relocate the Coyotes to Milwaukee and call them the Wisconsin Lawyers. If you win, they sue!

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

They do have certain uses:

A former minor-league hockey player who injured his shoulder in a fight he claimed his coach told him to start is entitled to workers’ compensation, a Virginia appeals court ruled.

The Virginia Court of Appeals upheld a Virginia Workers’ Compensation Commission finding that "fighting is an integral part of the game of hockey" and that Ty A. Jones’ injury arose in the course of his employment as an "enforcer."

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow…Miniaci sounds like a real winner.

I do agree that there are aspects that could have been handled better. Absolutely.

But the main source of angst so far has been more from some douchey reporter’s interpretation of how some one said something.

Rather than what was said.

There has been nothing Cody has said that gives me any alarm.

Yet!

LOL

"Of course you know, this means war!!"

Bugs Bunny

by vancitydan on Feb 8, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

True

I just know how I would feel if I was in his shoes, and I personally wouldn’t be thrilled with how the organization had dealt with it.

This is assuming nothing has been said behind the scenes. If something WAS said behind the scenes, I’d think it makes sense to say it publicly so this can all be put to bed.

Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.

by Jevant on Feb 8, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t wanna pick on Dr. M, cuz there’s just so much we don’t know about the whole thing. A sampling:

1. How badly was Cody physically hurt?
2. How badly did he say he was hurt?
3. How badly did he think he was hurt?
4. How much did the team know?
5. How much was reasonably knowable?
6. Did Miniaci merely tell Cody what Cody wanted to hear?
7. Would Cody have gotten better anyway?
8. Does an injury rationale help Cody’s confidence?
9. Who are Cody’s advisors? His parents?
10. What sort of advice have they been giving him?

And on and on and on. Now add to that q’s – not answers, just q’s – about Miniaci’s performance. This whole thing is like a jigsaw puzzle with 9 out of 10 pieces missing, and even the q’s I list above could be answered very differently by different people (or the same people at different times) with everyone giving the most honest answers they can.

Remember, even Cody’s biggest booster on this board, yoata, was actively calling for the kid to get more ice time, lots more, right up to the day he was cut, and both the team doc and Cody’s personal physician back home (pre-Miniaci) said he was fine, so if an injury was the sole reason for his poor camp, it sure wasn’t apparent at the time.

IIRC, you can diagnose the condition he has (or thinks he has, whatever) by either comparing a recent x-ray w/an older one, or by doing a spinal tap. I doubt a young horse like Hodgson had had prior x-rays of his back, which had been fine till then. And who’s gonna give a player a spinal tap every time his back hurts? Yeah right. I understand it’s such a common pain that teams keep chiropractors in the dressing room to adjust the players between periods these days.

My own best guess is that Cody had pain, but tried to push thru it. It slowed him down some, but maybe not as much as he wanted to believe, but still maybe enough to ruin his chances? I also suspect that he wants to believe it was extra bad to this day cuz that way he doesn’t lose his confidence, and that’s a good thing.

And so as not to confuse poor, one-track yoata: the above is not called making an excuse, it’s called wanting to believe, a very very different thing, and in Cody’s case, probably a healthy one, too. Good to see the kid improving.

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn’t make sense. You suspect that Cody wanted to believe his injury was super serious? He would rather sit at home nursing an injury that wasn’t that bad then play in the World Juniors? That way his confidence wouldn’t take a beating? You don’t know many 18 year old kids do you? I do. And let me tell you there is next to nothing that can dent their confidence. They are still too naive to realize they are fallible. I think Cody played through pain and it was bad enough to slow him down a lot in training camp. I think that the pain wasn’t going away and wasn’t being dealt with so he continued to search until he found a doctor that could figure out what was wrong and help him get healthy.

And this part,

Remember, even Cody’s biggest booster on this board, yoata, was actively calling for the kid to get more ice time, lots more, right up to the day he was cut
is entirely irrelevant. We aren’t doctors and we have no access to Cody or the rest of the team. So without ANY of the information that we have now we wanted to see Cody used in situations that were more befitting of a top 6 forward. That has nothing to do with his injury. Nothing. If I had talked to Cody and found out his back was bothering him I am sure I wouldn’t have been calling for him to play more, and I doubt yoata would have either.

both the team doc and Cody’s personal physician back home (pre-Miniaci) said he was fine, so if an injury was the sole reason for his poor camp, it sure wasn’t apparent at the time.

It was kind of apparent at the time. People, like yoata and others, were commenting that he didn’t look like himself and he seemed to be lacking that explosion and quickness we thought we would see. So something was apparent. Maybe the Canucks staff just didn’t do enough to try to find out what was wrong?

casual you seem like a smart guy but the fact that you continue to say things like

(or thinks he has, whatever)
belies that intelligence. Facts are facts. And Cody had a serious back injury. There isn’t any doubt about that anymore. And to be honest, if he wasn’t hurt, if as you say this was all in his head. He was using the back injury as a way to believe he was still a great player or whatever psychobabble BS you want to use. If you are right about that, and you aren’t IMO even remotely right, then get Cody Hodgson the hell away from the Canucks. Mentally weak players like that aren’t welcome. We’ve had enough of those over the years.

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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 8, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

S312,

My point is that it’s ambiguous. Cody has an incentive, or a reason (call it what you will) to want to believe his back injury was especially serious. Is he doing so, even to just 1% of the limit? Can’t say w/certainty, can only guess.

You could be 100% correct. Miniaci, aka doc #3, might have successfully diagnosed something the other docs completely missed. Maybe he’s better at clinical diagnosis than he is at sterilizing his scalpel, who knows?

But we just can’t be certain or even close to it, we don;t have enough info. His back might have been a mess, it might have been not so bad, or it might have been somewhere in between. The whole range of possibility is there. Sometimes “we don’t actually know” is the best answer and I think this is one of those times.

Regardless, his confidence will take a much smaller hit – and therefore, for most athletes, his subsequent play will be better – if he can just mentally write off this season’s camp entirely to his bad back. And that too could be in the mix, or not. Again, we don’t know enough to be certain in either direction, only to make guesses, and if we’re honest, to label them as such.

Lastly, unlike you, I think an 18 y.o.‘s confidence is shallow for most kids; they’re a lot more emotionally vulnerable than they try to appear. Underneath the bluster, they still have a need to prove themselves to themselves, moreso than do most adults. Fwiw, both my kids are teenagers, so I have some firsthand and recent experience here, as well as my memories of when I was a teenager, too, back in the stone age.

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah well I ride around on buses with 15-21 year old hockey players. In fact I spent 6 hours on a bus with a hockey team yesterday. They have limitless confidence in themselves on and off the ice. They all think they are the best player on the team, on their line, in the league etc etc etc. Cody Hodgson is one of the best players in the world at his age. I really can’t believe that he has confidence issues. I think you might have been right if he had taken a month off. But to miss a huge chunk of one of his most important years and therefore also missing the WJC and a possible Memorial Cup run with a contender, all so he can shake off a bad NHL camp? Doesn’t pass the smell test. If find it strange that you are willing to concede that back injuries are difficult to diagnose, in fact it is one of your central arguments, yet you seem to think there is no way two doctors could have missed Hodgson’s injury.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 8, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

No no no. I don’t think Cody sat out all this time for that. I think he did so cuz Miniaci told him to. But the subject at hand – is there a snit between Cody and the club – will hinge on Cody’s attitude today, won’t it?

Having failed to make the Canucks and then sat out all those months, might Cody believe that he had a bad back but that he’s fixed it now by resting? Apparently he does. Might be perfectly true too. In any event, might that belief not help to restore his confidence? I sure hope so.

What’s his alternative belief gonna be? To say “I’m just not good enough for the NHL”? No way! Go Cody!

p.s. I do think it’s possible that two docs could have misdiagnosed Cody, essentially giving him a false positive. I also think it’s possible that a single doc could have given him a false negative. Or that the truth is a matter of degree in this case, rather than an either/or.

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

What’s wrong with an 18 year old kid thinking he isn’t good enough for the NHL right now? Isn’t that what you want guys to think when they get cut or sent down? That way they go down and work their tales off to be ready the next time they get a shot? Rather than making excuses or belief wants as you called them?

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 8, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

You’ve determined that this is black or white issue and since you’ve chosen the black side you think that I, by acknowledging alternatives, must therefore be on the white side.

No thanks. I remain firmly in the grey camp on this issue.

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

BTW,

People, like yoata and others, were commenting that he didn’t look like himself and he seemed to be lacking that explosion and quickness we thought we would see. So something was apparent.

Yeah, but you’d have needed a spinal tap to even try to confirm it , and that too might have been ambiguous. Either that, or you’d have had to sit Cody out even as he protested, and he did, that he was healthy enough to try.

I understand the frustration, but I think you guys are looking for a villain where none is to be found. If the crops fail, burn the witch?

Sometimes shit just happens.

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Well if there are no villains why is Cody seemingly so upset? Shouldn’t we be trying to find out what happened, what went wrong, so it doesn’t happen again? Shouldn’t we question our medical staff so we know they are the best in the business?

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 8, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course we want the best med staff. But why are you so certain that “Ol’ Rusty Blade” Miniaci is better than the guys we got? :)

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Cause Cody is back and playing now and looks good on the ice. And when he was here he wasn’t good, didn’t look good and then missed a large portion of the season. You were certainly all over the circumstantial evidence in the case of Burrows vs Auger but not now?

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 8, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Different case, different evidence. Remember the Voltaire quote?

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Different case? Sure. So circumstantial evidence is OK in certain cases but not others? Explain how that works?

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 8, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh? You mean if I agree with the evidence in one case I have to agree with the evidence in all cases?

I agree with the evidence in the Auger matter, but I am not convinced in either direction by the evidence (more like the lack of it) in the Hodgson matter.

Go grey!

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Well the circumstantial evidence in Augergate pointed towards Burrows being right so you went with it. In this case the evidence, chiefly that Hodgson missed a large chunk of a very important year for him, points to an injury being pretty serious. I don’t like circumstantial evidence but in both cases I feel there is one side that is clearly more likely to be the case. Not sure why you won’t just take the plunge and join camp Black or White.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 8, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously, over here in camp White we are dancing…poorly but we are dancing. Oh and we have Kenny G playing. And crackers.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 8, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Moreoever, Cody looked good against kids, so even the level of competition that you’re measuring him against in the two situations is way diff. If the Cody from camp had lined up against kids, would he still have struggled?

I repeat: grey camp.

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course he would have still struggled. He was injured. No one is debating this point anymore except you. He had a back injury which limited his ability to play hockey. That isn’t a question anymore. It is a fact. You want to argue that maybe the back wasn’t as bad as Hodgson now thinks it is so that he retains his fragile 18 year old confidence? Fine. I have already stated why I can’t agree with that. But let’s stop acting as if the kid just wasn’t good enough for the NHL and the back wasn’t a factor. Mentally, physically, or however else it was affecting him Hodgson’s back prevented him from competing at camp. Have fun in the grey camp on this one. It’s got to be a lonely place.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 8, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Remember, even Cody’s biggest booster on this board, yoata, was actively calling for the kid to get more ice time

Now don’t be starting shit. I think I’ve read about enough of the arguments between the 2 of you.

by Sean Zandberg on Feb 8, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, Sean, my intent was not to restart an old argument, but to use yoata’s opinion at the time as evidence, because I think he has a very good eye for the players on the ice and if any of Cody’s supporters would have spotted an injury as being so serious as to warrant immediately sidelining the player, I would have bet on it being yoata.

But in the interests of geopolitical stability, I retract my comment. Let there be peace in the Shire.

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

But we aren’t doctors casual. What difference does it make if we thought he should be getting more ice time. And iirc it wasn’t about more ice time as much as ice time in top 6 situations, which admittedly would lead to more ice time.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 8, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Have fun in the grey camp on this one. It’s got to be a lonely place.

Oh, it is, it is.

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

WTF? You’ve got girls there? Now that I think about it maybe Cody’s back wasn’t that bad……..

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 8, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

No, no, it’s ok, I can tough it out alone.

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

C'mon, man!

That picture is way too small.

Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.

by Smoboy41 on Feb 8, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you know that the ladies can now get implantable permanent bras?

What next, painted faces and a bottle of wine?

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Painted faces. That was funny.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 8, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec to the Ian Thomas reference.

Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.

by Smoboy41 on Feb 8, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec’d for getting the reference!

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec to the both of us for bringing a level of maturity to this forum.

Woooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

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by Smoboy41 on Feb 8, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

You guys are rec’ing each others brains out….

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 8, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Greatness rec

ognizes greatness. ;)

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by Smoboy41 on Feb 8, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Or fools……?

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 8, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s cool, casual. Don’t mind me if I sound snarky

by Sean Zandberg on Feb 8, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha! Have fun shoveling your driveway….again. lol

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by Smoboy41 on Feb 8, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Why on Earth would I shovel my driveway? I have a Jeep for a reason. Let that shit pile up. If you are just going to have to shovel again in a couple days why bother?

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 9, 2010 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

See…now that is a good point.

Questioning the medical staff.

Its just the “seemingly” part that is at the core of my disgust for this story.

So much supposition about something that we really know nothing about.

I do know from listening to TEAM, whenever Matty is on there, and he interviews MG…well, tone of voice, if it stands for anything, it sure sounds like MG gets pretty exasperated with him.

It was Matty’s story that started this whole thing…and for me…I just disagree with the base supposition.

That Cody and the Canucks have a “problem”.

"Of course you know, this means war!!"

Bugs Bunny

by vancitydan on Feb 8, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Well let’s hope they don’t. Fingers crossed. But you wouldn’t really be able to blame Cody if he was pissed. And that’s the scary part.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 8, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Glad Hansen is back.

Hopefully Bernier and his concrete hands sit in the press box.

TSN says Gainey is stepping down and Gauthier is taking over.

"Hey, why dont you give your balls a tug you fucking pussies". - Alexandre Burrows #14

by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 8, 2010 10:18 AM PST reply actions  

Anytime I’ve watched Hansen he’s looked like a good player to me and I’d be happy to see him get more ice time. Bernier’s stone cold right now, and who knows, after 300+ games (I think; that right?) this might be as good as he’s ever gonna get. Hansen’s finish around the net will improve with more ice time, too.

Burrows-Sedin-Sedin
Raymond-Kesler-Grabner
Hansen-Demo-Sammy
Glass-Johnson-Rypien

If Grabner could return and play w/Kes and Raymond, and fit in there, then we could have a solid pair of 2nd lines and perhaps get consistent scoring from 3 lines instead of just 2.

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

doesn’t necessarily look bad, but it does look tissue soft.

by Passive Voice on Feb 8, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

What changes would you make?

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 8, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Anybody have any thoughts on the Milbury-Caps blogger dustup on Sunday? Puck Daddy has a pretty good take on it.

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by Smoboy41 on Feb 8, 2010 10:44 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah, that thing is a shame. Because the blogger comes off poorly even though he did something we all want to do which is, namely, force Milbury to choke on his own words. Kukla has a great thread on it where the guy tries to defend himself.

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by Yankee Canuck on Feb 8, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah I read that and as usual Wysh is bang on… this guy certainly hasn’t done bloggers any favors with this, while he had the courage to call out one of the biggest douchebags in the game, he proved himself to be his equal in that department with his handling of the situation…

the Caps media and their cries for respect are mind-boggling to say the least. Anyone who follows hockey can’t help but notice the barrage of Caps coverage this year. If that’s unfair media coverage, I shudder to think what their idea of fairness is

http://waachcast.blogspot.com/ < WAACHCast Blog

by canucklehead666 on Feb 8, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t get the pity party, either. I didn’t watch the game, so I didn’t hear what Douchbury said, but consider the source.

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by Smoboy41 on Feb 8, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Who Dat Who Dat

Aside from being a Canucks fan, I’m also a diehard Saints fan who bleeds black and gold.

I’m still in shock, and hope the Nucks give me something to cheer for in June

by SamB. on Feb 8, 2010 12:02 PM PST reply actions  

don’t get greedy now GET GREEDY!

by Passive Voice on Feb 8, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Ay-greed

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

- Dallas Stars Forum

by eightyseven on Feb 8, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Demitra returns to Vancouver

personal reasons being cited, Bernier likely to draw back into the lineup
hope all is well with Pavol…

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by canucklehead666 on Feb 8, 2010 12:28 PM PST reply actions  

and right away people are speculating it’s a Mathieu Schneider type situation… sheesh

http://waachcast.blogspot.com/ < WAACHCast Blog

by canucklehead666 on Feb 8, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

lol, that doesn’t even make sense. Demo hasn’t been riding the pine like MS was.

Poutine & Meatballs

by cyxj on Feb 8, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe he’s doing some maintenance at his pal Marian Gaborik’s Vancouver house?

My hopes exceed my expectations
-WeepingTile

by ThomasPratt on Feb 8, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

haha, Thomas! I got a kick outta that ;)

by Sean Zandberg on Feb 8, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

You sly dog!

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by Smoboy41 on Feb 8, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

The market is set

Now that the Sharks have traded a second for Wallin, I think it’s fair to say the rental market is set. Courtesy of NHLNumbers (my apologies for the tabular mess), here is the list of UFA D’men by cap number. Who’d ya see? Who’d ya like? And who’d ya think might be available?

Player Age Team Pos 2010 FA Status 09/10 Cap Number 09/10 Salary
Lidstrom, Nicklas 41 DET D UFA 7.450 7.450
Niedermayer, Scott 37 ANA D UFA 6.750 6.000
Gonchar, Sergei 37 PIT D UFA 5.000 5.500
Kubina, Pavel 34 ATL D UFA 5.000 5.000
Johnsson, Kim 35 MIN D UFA 4.850 5.300
Martin, Paul 30 NJD D UFA 3.833 4.500
Blake, Rob 41 SJS D UFA 3.500 3.500
Clark, Brett 34 COL D UFA 3.500 3.500
Mitchell, Willie 34 VAN D UFA 3.500 3.500
Rathje, Mike 37 PHI D UFA 3.500 3.500
Zidlicky, Marek 34 MIN D UFA 3.350 3.500
Morris, Derek 32 BOS D UFA 3.300 3.300
Salei, Ruslan 36 COL D UFA 3.025 3.275
Foote, Adam 39 COL D UFA 3.000 3.250
Sutton, Andy 36 NYI D UFA 3.000 3.500
Van Ryn, Mike 32 TOR D UFA 2.900 3.350
Lydman, Toni 33 BUF D UFA 2.875 3.150
Jones, Randy 29 LAK D UFA 2.750 3.000
Schneider, Mathieu 42 VAN D UFA 2.750 1.550
Corvo, Joe 34 CAR D UFA 2.625 2.750
Smith, Jason 37 OTT D UFA 2.600 2.600
Tallinder, Henrik 32 BUF D UFA 2.562 3.250
Pothier, Brian 34 WAS D UFA 2.500 2.500
Volchenkov, Anton 29 OTT D UFA 2.500 3.200
Ward, Aaron 38 CAR D UFA 2.500 2.500
Aucoin, Adrian 37 PHX D UFA 2.250 2.250
Seidenberg, Dennis 29 FLA D UFA 2.250 2.250
Eaton, Mark 34 PIT D UFA 2.000 2.000
Hamhuis, Dan 28 NAS D UFA 2.000 2.500
Morrisonn, Shaone 28 WAS D UFA 1.975 1.975
Leopold, Jordan 30 FLA D UFA 1.750 1.750
Wallin, Niclas 36 SJS D UFA 1.725 1.725
Mara, Paul 31 MTL D UFA 1.675 1.675
Lukowich, Brad 34 VAN D UFA 1.567 1.800
Boynton, Nick 32 ANA D UFA 1.500 1.500
Krajicek, Lukas 28 TBL D UFA 1.475 1.475
Ference, Andrew 32 BOS D UFA 1.400 1.625
Exelby, Garnet 29 TOR D UFA 1.392 1.725
Jurcina, Milan 28 CLB D UFA 1.375 1.375
Colaiacovo, Carlo 28 STL D UFA 1.283 1.400
Lilja, Andreas 35 DET D UFA 1.250 1.250
Michalek, Zbynek 28 PHX D UFA 1.250 1.500
O’Donnell, Sean 39 LAK D UFA 1.250 1.250
Frogren, Jonas 30 TOR D UFA 1.065 0.900
Sydor, Darryl 39 STL D UFA 1.000 1.000
Schubert, Christoph 29 ATL D UFA 0.883 0.900
Paetsch, Nathan 28 BUF D UFA 0.850 1.050
McKee, Jay 33 PIT D UFA 0.800 0.800
Weaver, Mike 33 STL D UFA 0.800 0.800
Mottau, Mike 33 NJD D UFA 0.762 0.775
Bergeron, Marc-Andre 30 MTL D UFA 0.750 0.750
Bouillon, Francis 35 NAS D UFA 0.750 0.750
Hnidy, Shane 35 MIN D UFA 0.750 0.750
Bell, Brendan 28 CLB D UFA 0.700 0.700
Hale, David 30 TBL D UFA 0.700 0.725
Krajicek, Lukas 28 PHI D UFA 0.700 0.700
Strudwick, Jason 35 EDM D UFA 0.700 0.700
Lebda, Brett 29 DET D UFA 0.650 0.850
Sifers, Jaime 28 MIN D UFA 0.650 0.650
Eriksson, Anders 36 PHX D UFA 0.600 0.600
Foster, Kurtis 29 TBL D UFA 0.600 0.600
Popovic, Mark 28 ATL D UFA 0.600 0.600
Wozniewski, Andy 31 BOS D UFA 0.600 0.600
Meyer, Freddy 30 NYI D UFA 0.588 0.600
Skoula, Martin 31 PIT D UFA 0.575 0.575
Hutchinson, Andrew 31 DAL D UFA 0.550 0.600
Lundin, Mike 26 TBL D UFA 0.550 0.550
Scott, John 28 MIN D UFA 0.550 0.550
Johnson, Aaron 28 CGY D UFA 0.540 0.540
Brookbank, Sheldon 30 ANA D UFA 0.525 0.550
Arsene, Dean 30 EDM D UFA 0.500 0.500
Callahan, Joe 28 SJS D UFA 0.500 0.500
Fahey, Brian 30 COL D UFA 0.500 0.500
Guenin, Nate 28 PIT D UFA 0.500 0.500
Harrison, Jay 28 CAR D UFA 0.500 0.500
Henry, Alex 31 MTL D UFA 0.500 0.500
Janik, Doug 31 DET D UFA 0.500 0.500
Lee, Chris 30 PIT D UFA 0.500 0.500
Murphy, Cory 33 NJD D UFA 0.500 0.500
Nycholat, Lawrence 32 VAN D UFA 0.500 0.500
Skinner, Brett 28 COL D UFA 0.500 0.500
Welch, Noah 28 ATL D UFA 0.500 0.500
Engelland, Deryk 29 PIT D UFA 0.492 0.500
Conboy, Tim 29 CAR D UFA 0.487 0.500
Leach, Jay 31 SJS D UFA 0.244 0.500
Leach, Jay 31 MTL D UFA 0.244 0.500

My hopes exceed my expectations
-WeepingTile

by ThomasPratt on Feb 8, 2010 5:41 PM PST reply actions  

Good god. Make that a fan post so I can put it on the main page! ;) Serious. I was going to do a post like that but you are all over it!

by Sean Zandberg on Feb 8, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Done. Added centers too

My hopes exceed my expectations
-WeepingTile

by ThomasPratt on Feb 8, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

That's

a long-ass list.

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

- Dallas Stars Forum

by eightyseven on Feb 8, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll take Hamhuis though. I know he has a lot of roots growing in Nashville in his time there but I’m all about BC boys playing in Van.

Oh, I’ll take Scott Niedermayer as a rental too.

by Sean Zandberg on Feb 8, 2010 6:05 PM PST reply actions  

Kariya too?

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by Smoboy41 on Feb 8, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

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