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I am sure we all expected this win streak to end soon, but I know I had figured that it would come against the Ottawa Senators.  The Canucks have been playing at an extremely high level for a while now, and they were due for one of those frustrating losses against teams beneath them in the standings and last night was one of those.  A little different this team as they badly outplayed the Habs, who to their credit made the most of the opportunities given them.  Jaroslav Halak was amazing as he stopped 45 of 47 to aid the Habs (ptooey!) to victory.  More after the jump...

Star-divide

As well as the Canucks played last night, there were a few things that jumped out at me.  First and foremost, the play of the bottom 6 forwards, save for Rick Rypien last night was dreadful to say the least.  Steve Bernier did not look like a guy challenged by his coach to perform up to the potential the team believes he has, but a guy complacent with coasting his way through another game, lackadaisically swatting at pucks with no success and seemingly refusing to use his size for anything that could be construed as effective. 

The Canucks are not getting any production from their bottom 6, and while you don't necessarily expect production from the the 4th line, you do need the 3rd line to chip in if you want to go anywhere.  Pavol Demitra is 8 games into his season now, can we demand some production from him now?  The Canucks need for some help on the 3rd line before the deadline was never more glaring than last night.

Second was just how much the Canucks missed both Sami Salo, who despite looking a little rusty was solid, and Willie Mitchell, when you look at the play of Aaron Rome and Brad Lukowich.  Don't get me wrong, Lukowich has performed admirably since being called up,  but like the bottom 6 forwards last night, these two and Alex Edler just looked slow and out of place all night long.  Edler's taken such a step backward in his play from the previous season, it's almost shocking.  I am not sure what has caused it, but the kid just seems to struggle with the puck on his stick, to the point it makes me nervous.

Third was another sub-par performance from Roberto Luongo.  As bad as the defense played last night, Luongo continued the disturbing trend of being out of position inexplicably, and letting in bad, untimely goals.  Whether it's fatigue or lack of focus due to the Olympics approaching, Luongo is not providing the Canucks with the kind of goaltending they need on this trip so far. 

I know it seems like so much whining about just one loss, but let's face it; this team is close to making a big splash in the playoffs, and it's only been the injuries that have kept them down so far.  That being said, they can't go anywhere if they don't address these 3 issues, two of which are fixable by GM Mike Gillis.  The other one is squarely on the shoulders of the Captain.

Bagels... we got bagels...

Last night's Canucks loss was compounded by a 5-1 Colorado win over Columbus, moving the Avs to within 2 points of the Canucks for 1st in the NW Division.  Not that anyone in Denver even gives a shit, as they had their 2nd smallest announced crowd in team history at around 11,000.  I've heard discussion that it's due to the lack of star power but given how well the Avs have performed this season, I think it has more to do with Denver not being as good a hockey town as traditionally thought if the only reason they come out is for big name players.  If the team winning cant get fans into the seats, there's a problem....

I am sure you saw the Monsterbation (tm) frenzy of Dion Phaneuf and his fivehead acending the throne at the ACC, but what made me laugh out loud was the excitement over Phaneuf actually dropping the gloves with feared New Jersey enforcer Colin White.  Yeah, more selective fighting from Phaneuf and to Leafs fans I would suggest they bookmark that fight on youtube, because it's gonna be a long time before you see him do that again.  He has made a career of instigating fights he doesn't follow up on, and I have no reason to think he will do anything different.  That fight was simply to make himself look better, and nothing else.

Another frustrating aspect about last night's defeat is that Phoenix and LA continue to win, meaning the Canucks surrendering their lead to the Avs will see them fall a few spots in the standings.  Home ice is crucial in the first round, so they must step it up as this road trip continues.  Detroit meanwhile now has a 2 point cushion over the 9th place Calgary Flames with a big win over the first place San Jose Sharks.  The Wings are getting healthy, and will still be a threat should they hang on to a playoff spot.  I know I would be worried about facing them in the first round.

The Canucks are off to Ottawa today for their match against the red hot Senators, in what will hopefully be a bounce back game for Vancouver.  With trade rumours continuing to swirl, we will see if the Canucks upgrade heading into the Olympic break as they solidify their chances to take a run in the playoffs.

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SJ vs Detroit in the first round? I like it!

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 3, 2010 11:22 AM PST reply actions  

When was that season when SJ was ranked 8 and beat Detroit who were ranked 1? This year could very well see the exact reverse happen. Detroit just got Holmstrom back from being out a month, will be getting Franzen back next week (having been out since early October), and Lilja is skating again and should return within a few weeks. They’re making the playoffs for sure, and I bet they climb higher than 8. If calgary wants in, they’re gonna have to knock off another team.

by Beantown Canuck on Feb 3, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

’94. They beat the Wings in seven right?

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

- Dallas Stars Forum

by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Aside from the 2 PP goals, the whole team looked like Bernier last night. Halak played well but he got lucky and a few shots and saves. Salo took a shot from behind the blueline that gave him trouble.

by marcness52 on Feb 3, 2010 11:48 AM PST reply actions  

Off night or not...

…47 shots isn’t a bad night. These things happen on the road. Perhaps it will prove motivating for the Ottawa game.

Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.

by Jevant on Feb 3, 2010 12:08 PM PST reply actions  

I didn’t think Bernier looked terrible. He played more aggressively than I’ve seen him play in a long time perhaps. Just something wrong between his head and his hands.

by Sean Zandberg on Feb 3, 2010 12:25 PM PST reply actions  

Bernier is, according to his coach, an emotional guy, so I doubt he’s just coasting. More likely he’s over-analyzing and trying too hard:

Willingham calls that “implicit learning”—learning that takes place outside of awareness. These two learning systems are quite separate, based in different parts of the brain. Willingham says that when you are first taught something—say, how to hit a backhand or an overhead forehand—you think it through in a very deliberate, mechanical manner. But as you get better the implicit system takes over: you start to hit a backhand fluidly, without thinking. The basal ganglia, where implicit learning partially resides, are concerned with force and timing, and when that system kicks in you begin to develop touch and accuracy, the ability to hit a drop shot or place a serve at a hundred miles per hour. “This is something that is going to happen gradually,” Willingham says. “You hit several thousand forehands, after a while you may still be attending to it. But not very much. In the end, you don’t really notice what your hand is doing at all.”

Under conditions of stress, however, the explicit system sometimes takes over. That’s what it means to choke.

If he wants to score he needs to relax and just let it happen, but that’s tough to do when you’re in a slump and it’s gnawing at you. Best he can do is practice his ass off and keep shooting.

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 3, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

it looks pristine and unblemished?

That’s a ruse! There could be dangerous predators hiding in the whiteout, so beware!

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 3, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahah, thank you for not continuing to the right.

I don’t know man. Section’s made himself pretty visible. Don’t worry, I’m prepared XD

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

- Dallas Stars Forum

by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Section’s made himself pretty visible. Don’t worry, I’m prepared XD

I’m not a sexual predator….

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

There are many different kinds of predators, sir.

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

- Dallas Stars Forum

by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

That is a truth fact.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Truth fact, indeed.

But thanks for confirming?

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

- Dallas Stars Forum

by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

For a really good illustration of what I think is Bernier’s problem, try this test. Try it for real at least once. You’ll waste about 5 minutes of your precious life, but you’ll never forget the lesson.

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 3, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

So how many passes were there?

So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.

by thelastjohnny on Feb 3, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t wanna give away the answer here, at least not yet. First let’s see how many people can get it right on their own.

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 3, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh dear. Guess I have what Bernie has too. Barely noticed the gorilla.

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

- Dallas Stars Forum

by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

No one ever notices the Gorilla. It’s a stupid “test”…we’re told to count something and then made to feel like idiots because when we were concentrating on the task we were assigned we failed to notice something that we weren’t told to look out for. If you did spot the Gorilla it just means you suck at concentrating.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Better to die trying to live than live trying not to die."

by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Gorillas in our midst?

by Passive Voice on Feb 3, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

A couple years ago that video went around this office I worked at and everyone thought it was so great. It’s a fairly mediocre example of how the human mind can focus on one thing and not notice other things going on around it. Nxet tnhig you konw soemnoe wlil tpye one of thsee thngis wehre the leterts are mxied up. Big deal.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Better to die trying to live than live trying not to die."

by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re hot for the gorilla, aren’t you?

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 3, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

That was a SECRET!!!

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Better to die trying to live than live trying not to die."

by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s ok, lotsa guys like a full-body bikini zone. Lotsa guys.

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 3, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I will not question your fetishes.

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

- Dallas Stars Forum

by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I don’t think this is the place for anyone to discuss their fetishes.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Better to die trying to live than live trying not to die."

by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Is there a forum on SB Nation for gorilla fetishes?

by SteveNux on Feb 3, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I might have to start one.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Better to die trying to live than live trying not to die."

by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

following the Phaneuf trade, PPP

by Passive Voice on Feb 3, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you enjoy King Kong? Planet of the Apes? You must have gone nuts.

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

- Dallas Stars Forum

by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Shoulda said apeschit.

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

- Dallas Stars Forum

by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

The great thing about a Gorilla fetish is the many uses for the banana.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Better to die trying to live than live trying not to die."

by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  


“You know, Sid, I really like bananas… I mean, I know
that’s not profound or nothin’… Heck! We ALL do…
But for me, I think it goes much more beyond that.”

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 3, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I just squirted the Diet Coke through my nose..

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Feb 3, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Too late!

Now … let’s talk …whipping cream!

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 3, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

PVC?

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Better to die trying to live than live trying not to die."

by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

best be treatin’ it correk; angry grilla could bust up you head

by Passive Voice on Feb 3, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh don’t tell everyone. Ruins the fun!

But kinda a neat test, eh? It just shows how intensely we can focus on one thing to the exclusion of others, and a player who’s trying too hard can easily do just that.

There’s a saying among prospectors: “Go out looking for one thing, and that’s all you’ll ever find.”
  —Robert Flaherty

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 3, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah it’s OK. When I was a pitcher in my youth I used to block everything out other than the catcher and hitter. Years later my dad told me he used to yell non stop while I was pitching. Shouting encouragement. I never heard him say a word. I am still not sure I believe him. But the human mind can do crazy stuff if you let it. Including intense focus.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Better to die trying to live than live trying not to die."

by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

kinda like when I was a catcher in prison. so, so much to block out.

by Passive Voice on Feb 3, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I reckon someone had a colourful past.

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

- Dallas Stars Forum

by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I reckon not enough people say reckon.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Better to die trying to live than live trying not to die."

by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

It takes an acquired amount of awesome to.

…I reckon

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

- Dallas Stars Forum

by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I reckon your right. Although I reckon most people read the word reckon and they have like a hillbilly accent going on in their heads. I prefer it with an English accent, I reckon that sounds better.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Better to die trying to live than live trying not to die."

by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I reckon, it does.

I now have a strong hankering for tea.

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

- Dallas Stars Forum

by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

English breakfast?

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Better to die trying to live than live trying not to die."

by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Or Earl Gray. Or green tea.

Bah, the choices. I think I’ll make myself a London Fog.

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

- Dallas Stars Forum

by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I could go for a Black and Tan right now.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Better to die trying to live than live trying not to die."

by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s…a little strong for my liking at this time of day.

Black and Tan reminds me of Clone High episode where they hold a film festival.

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

- Dallas Stars Forum

by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Clone High eh? That’s an obscure reference.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Better to die trying to live than live trying not to die."

by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

“Gandhi teams up with George Washington Carver for a hilarious mixed-race action comedy, Black and Tan.”

You’re an obscure reference. Clone High’s awesome.

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

- Dallas Stars Forum

by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you like how once again I am dragging you over towards the right margin?

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope. The whitespace to the left’s annoying.

I should be asking the same thing.

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

- Dallas Stars Forum

by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I took some journalism classes once. Use of white space is very important.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha, noted.

The left side looks so bleak and lonely now.

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

- Dallas Stars Forum

by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Or it looks pristine and unblemished?

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Like your dad shouting encouragement?

by SteveNux on Feb 3, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I have to disagree with the Ol’ Canucklehead a bit.

Luongo needs to get his game back A LITTLE BIT, but last night was not a game to lay at his goal crease. The first goal, he did go down too early, but that just exacerbated the mistakes of Raymond….Obrien and Kesler on that play in their own end.

The second…well, he made the first save, and the defensemen kind of parted like the red sea to let the shooter through. Thats a pretty tough second save, when you have already committed to the first one, and are scrambling. I think that was Rome and Luko, if I am not mistaken.

The third was a total and utter fail by Ehrhoff. That play, at least, I get what the Shark fans are getting at. I love the guy’s play too, but “c’mon man!”

The Habs did a good job of converting their few chances, and good for that. But apart from the line of Plekanec, Pouliot and S Kots’, and maybe that 4th line a couple shifts against ours (?)…the Canucks owned this game.

Give it up for Halak. Thats what a goalie can do. But lets not forget how many clears, blocks, and checks of the stick denied a goal for the Habs when Halak was already out of the play last night. O’Byrne and his defensive cohorts had a pretty good game.

Without them helping Halak, better than Luongo’s guys this night…well, it would have been another blowout. I thought Luongo committed too early on the 1st goal, but was pretty good the rest of the way. I certainly don’t blame “just” him for the loss.

But GAA has always been a goalie stat somehow to everybody…well…most.

It’s a five man stat to me.

It is hard to be too upset yet, they have such a great record recently. But as long as they tighten up in their own end against the Sens a bit, they will still have that talented counterattack.

I found it pretty interesting when Ryan Walter was interviewed saying " we are not scared to trade chances…". When’s the last time any Canuck coach uttered that? Well…Crow…but definitely not these guys. Or so we thought.

"Of course you know, this means war!!"

Bugs Bunny

by vancitydan on Feb 3, 2010 12:57 PM PST reply actions  

Good post. I agree with pretty much every point.

If not for a few defensive gaffs by the whole team, that game was very winnable based on dominance of the puck/play.

Poutine & Meatballs

by cyxj on Feb 3, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup. But we’d been winning a few in a row before that that could have easily gone the other way (e.g. against Edmonton). Those kinds of games even out over a season.

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Feb 3, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't forget the number of times

when the Canucks simply missed the net or fanned on the shot. One more good finish and the game would have been over had the Canucks taken the lead.

by SJKel on Feb 3, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Ryan Walter must be the assistant coach in charge of offense, he was running the power play meeting the other day on canucks gallery. That might explain his departure from the defense-first mantra usually adhered to by AV and Rick Bowness.

by jozsef on Feb 3, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

If they were supposed to lose against the Senators, all they have to do now is to beat them, and things get righted. It’s not like they played badly, so there should be nothing to worry about.

Luongo had two bad games in a row, so he is due for a good one.

Anybody annoyed by the call against Kessler? I know that bashing the refs would look just pathetic, especially since after the Burrows incident, the calls were mostly on our side. But he was indeed tripped, and did not fall because he wanted to fall.

So, I am a little confused. In order to avoid a diving call, you are not supposed to fall when you are tripped? Or may be he was called because he tilted his head upwards by about 20 degrees, during the fall. So, in this case, may be he should make sure that his head stays straight during the fall. I am mentioning the head because the TV commentator said that he looked upward during the fall, and that may have caused the call. This sounds stupid to me. Since when the position of your head has anything to do with tripping?

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Feb 3, 2010 12:59 PM PST reply actions  

The thing is Attila, you can bring up the refs, as long as you couch it in terms of “he didn’t cost us the game…”, or…“we had our chances too”, or…“yes, they got the winning goal on the power play, but we had a 5 on 3 in the second that we failed to cash in on…”

That is what passes for good reffing in the NHL. Giving both teams a fair amount of PP time. Its supposed to be some balancing act. I for one, knew that after all the penalties the Habs got called on them ( mostly for not moving their feet, being tired and making mistakes with their sticks )…that Vancouver was going to get something called on them. To even it up.

I was a bit surprised on the Kesler call. I like how he came out right afterwards and said " he got me in the ’nads". No guile in that guy. I have only one idea on why Hordy got called for getting steamrolled from behind. Well, two…he was chatting up Halak and co. in front, but that too was a “rep” call.

I was a bit more surprised at the two calls on Burrows. The first happens half a dozen times in a game, when guys are going on and off the bench. When they could actually find a replay minutes later, it was incidental contact at best. Away from the play, with no bearing on the game, puck possession, or a scoring chance.

Ok…sent a message Mr Rooney. Gotcha. But really, did you have to drive it home with a kinda iffy ( especially in the last two minutes ) goalie interference that could easily not have been called? That seemed a lot more iffy. Burr did mention afterwards that it was a smart play by Halak to meet him at the spot and let everyone know he was touched.

Its not so much the calls, as when and for what. Both calls on Burrows were just plausible enough. The one on Kesler was what can only be called a “rep” call. They contributed to the game ending the way it did…but weren’t preceded by skating around with, or obvious anger.

OK..thanks guys. I assume it was a test. If so, the Canucks passed. To a man in the post game interviews, they did not mention the refs in a disparaging way.

I am…but I am just a fan. It wasn’t a raping like the Auger thing…but it was a more effective way of sending a message. Hopefully it is the last, as it seems the Canucks are going to give the calls the silent treatment. Maybe that is the secret.

Hope so…or get used to reading the refs assigned to our games from now on. I always found it funny that some U.S fans I have chatted with on here know which refs and when “screwed” their team…how many times.

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by vancitydan on Feb 3, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you. It was as if the refs were “testing” the Canucks, to see if anybody from the organization was complaining afterwards. Had that happened, it would have put the team in a really bad position, and possibly the butt of jokes. I am sure the referees would have loved to see that. After all, isn’t Montreal “Auger-territory”?

But, as you said, the Canucks passed the test, and didn’t fall for mind games, if there was any.

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by AttilaS on Feb 3, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe all NHL referees should go back to ref school and re-learn reffing. Still too many mistakes for the fastest game on two feet.

by Bobby Canuck on Feb 3, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn’t see how any of the penalties happened. Especially that 5-3, that was weird.

So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.

by thelastjohnny on Feb 3, 2010 1:40 PM PST reply actions  

Tough game to watch, I felt they probably deserved better. I do agree with the statements made about the 3rd line, in our 7 game win streak they contributed a whopping 1 goal…just not good enough and it will destroy us in the playoffs.

What burned me about the first two games on this trip was the goals given up in the last minute of the first period, those really hurt. If we get out of the 1st tied at 1 that’s a different hockey game. I’m expecting them to put in a good effort against a surging Ottawa team, nothing to under-estimate there.

by Twincest on Feb 3, 2010 1:47 PM PST reply actions  

Bah, so Kovalchuk’s being traded for sure.

Time to scour Twitter for “leads.”

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by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 2:05 PM PST reply actions  

My money is on L.A.

Poutine & Meatballs

by cyxj on Feb 3, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably

But if not Hollywood, maybe Hollywood North. MG might just surprise us and make a splash…

Nah…LA.

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by vancitydan on Feb 3, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m still not convinced he’d be worth the price paid to get him.

by Passive Voice on Feb 3, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Just as long as he’s not going to Chicago.

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by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like we’ll find out soon.

Either way, if someone really gives him a cap hit of 8 million+, I’m fairly certain that’s the wrong way to build a franchise in this day and age.

Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.

by Jevant on Feb 3, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

The question is simple….would Kovalchuk make the Canucks the Cup favourites? Cause you would have to win the cup in order to make that trade work. Otherwise you mortgaged your future and lost.

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope

Not Cup favourites. An improved Cup contender, but certainly not favourites. That would still be one of SJ, CHI or WAS.

Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.

by Jevant on Feb 3, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s what I think too. And if you want to gamble then fine but to give up a HUGE chunk of our future for a rental would only make sense if it made us clearly the favourites.

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Even if we win the Cup, it’s not worth it. If I win the Cup and then suck for the next half a decade because of that, it’s not worth it.

Remember, being on the top is nothing. The journey is where the fun is.

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by AttilaS on Feb 3, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Well that was surprisingly.

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by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

deep.

/complete sentence

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by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope. Wrong. I will trade the nest ten years of sucking for a cup. Hell maybe even 15. The problem is there are no sure things. I would rather be like Detroit but if not I will take a cup.

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, this is where people are different. I find it pathetic to listen to people who still brag about their team winning the cup a lifetime ago.
I just enjoy to watch an exciting Canucks team….
I like the present. The past is already dead.

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by AttilaS on Feb 3, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s what fans of teams with no history always say. I will take a cup every 5 years if in the intervening years we aren’t good. The Florida Marlins of hockey? I would take that.

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Me too.

Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.

by Jevant on Feb 3, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I tend to agree with the sentiment in this thread. However, you could argue that a huge potion of the package would be a first round pick and Cory Schneider, who has no realistic hope of playing as a pro for Vancouver. If you are resigned to having to pay Kesler more than you might have thought, maybe Raymond becomes expendable, especially if Shirokov or Grabner are coming along soon

Certainly you would have to clear more cap to make Kovy fit, and I don’t think Schnieder, a first and Raymond would be enough to land Kovy. But it could be that the Canucks have some of the elements to make this trade work without giving up a huge, debilitating chunk of the future.

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by ThomasPratt on Feb 3, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Last report had Atlanta wanting a top 6 forward, 3 prospects and a pick…They wanted all of Schenn, Kozun and Teubert out of LA. It would likely be Raymond, Grabner, Hodgson, Schroeder and a pick to get them interested. No idea why Atlanta would want Cory Schnieder since they have Pavelec.

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Have you seen Pavelic? I’m guessing not.

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by ThomasPratt on Feb 3, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s young and has tonnes of talent. And since I spelled his name right there is a better chance I have seen him than you ;)

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

History, shmistory.
Iraq has the greatest history. So does the great country of Mali. Canada has nothing, in comparison.
Question: where would you prefer to live?

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by AttilaS on Feb 3, 2010 2:37 PM PST reply actions  

That’s so not relevant I’m not going to bother.

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

The third line

of Demitra-Wellwood-Bernier had three shots (zero came from Demo), one giveaway, two takeaways in pretty much 10 minutes of ice time (Bernier and Demo got some PP time). Demo got an assist on the weird Kesler deflection/bunt goal, but I think the worst part of their play was Welly only winning 3 faceoffs while losing six.

Overall, not a terrible night for a third line group. Sure, Demo needs to produce more for the bucks he makes, but it’s not like he saw top-line minutes so what do we really expect?

The Canucks fired damn-near 50 shots at Halak. We pretty well owned 95% of the game but were snake-bitten by a hot goale. End of story, imo. Begrudging the third line, which most us seem to love around here, is missing the point.

Are there three teams in the Western conference with a better third line group?

by Temujin on Feb 3, 2010 3:26 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe not better, but way cheaper ;)

by SteveNux on Feb 3, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe we should move for Kovalchuk and get rid of the third line. Play with no third line. They basically had zero impact on that game last night anyway.

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

They give the 1st and 2nd lines a chance to rest without getting scored on very much. You could probably find a way cheaper shutdown 3rd line, but these guys have a lot of potential… it’s just not paying off. I still think that once Demitra gets his game back, confidence and finish might be just the thing that this line needs to contribute. This could be some teams second line if they performed as nearly as well as they look on paper.

by SteveNux on Feb 3, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I still don’t get where people think Wellwood and Bernier have all of this “potential” I mean after a certain number of NHL games you are just looking at what you are going to get from players. Potential doesn’t win anything performance does and these guys, especially Wellwood and Bernier, don’t perform and never really have.

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree that they haven’t proven that they can perform. That’s why it’s potential and not results. Wellwood and Bernier are still somewhat young and show flashes of goodness from time to time.

I actually liked the look of Bolduc as a 3rd or 4th line centre when he was in the lineup. Not flashy, but solid.

by SteveNux on Feb 3, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Wellwood is 27 and has over 300 NHL games under his belt…at what point do we stop thinking he has potential and just realize this is how good he is? Bernier is roughly 25 and has over 300 games of experience too.

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Show me some comparables that make that a true statement…Manny Malhotra makes 750,000 and has 23 points and is pluys 13. Welly has 13 points and is plus 6…..Ryan O’Rielly has 20 points and is plus 8 (and is 18 years old) and makes 840,000…..Wellwood makes 1.2 million……

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

ryan o'rielly

is on an entry level contract. that’s not exactly a reasonable comp, imo.

Malhotra has had four points in the last week, LOL, that tells me he’s had a good week and pretty much the same sort of year that Welly has had (based purely on boxcar stats, of course). Oh, and he’s 12 points away from a career high. So yes, I do think Wellwood has higher value than Malhotra, and is younger to boot.

1.2 million a season for serviceable 2-way centreman who wins better than 50% of the draws. It’s not a steal but it is certainly good value, imo

by Temujin on Feb 3, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I was comparing third line centers with our third line center…what’s not fair about that?

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

An entry level contract?

come on, if o’rielly produces in a similar fashion for a few more seasons, he’ll make a ton more than 850k. Geeziz, Sidney Crosby made that much his first season, but no one would use that as a comp on any other team’s first line centre. Entry level contracts aren’t a fair comp, imo. And besides, that whole Avalanche team just flies in the face of logic and reason anyways.

How about John Madden in Chicago? He’s a little older at 36, but I’m pretty sure he centres the third line.

by Temujin on Feb 3, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

You know that the Canucks are allowed to play players on entry level deals right? So it’s a fair comparison. They guy is younger, cheaper and more effective than Wellwood. You said

Wellwood is a good value
which I don’t think is true based on what we are getting out of him.

I would take Madden over Wellwood in less than a heartbeat. A guy with actualy pedigree when it comes to shutting down other teams top players plus cup rings….any day of the week. Let’s make that trade right now.

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

you wouldn't take Madden's

2.75 million per season cap hit.

If you think 1.2 for Welly is an overpay, then 2.75 for Madden is, well, Maddening

pardon the pun.

by Temujin on Feb 3, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah even against the other teams best players every night. Leadership, winning pedigree, playoff experience, not fat and lazy. I will take Madden and his cap hit every day of the week. There is a reason why the Hawks took him on their roster. They want to win a cup and he is a vital cog in that plan.

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone else thinking Brendan Morrison at $1.5m was a smart move by the Caps? 31 points and a plus 18, not a bad guy to have as your third line centre.

by British Canuck on Feb 3, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep.

My Caps buddies thank me for our sloppy thirds all the time.

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by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

i dont know how you can tell

he has leadership, but I’ll take your word for that. Winning pedigree is interesting since it hasnt helped him put any pucks in the net this season. Wellwood never had playoff experience because he played for the shitty-ass Leafs, but did have 6 points in ten glames last year. Not bad for the third line player.

It’s not so much a knock against Madden. But it sounds like you wouldnt be satisfied unless wellwood made the league minimum.

Offensive production-wise, Welly at 1.2 mill is a far better value than Madden at 2.75. that’s more than twice as much money than Welly, for five additional point..

And 1.5 million less in salary to spread around the rest of the roster. Though in Chicago’s case they have a couple of beauty value deals with Keith (1.4 million)Toews (850k) and Kane (875k). Though it gets a lot uglier next season.

by Temujin on Feb 3, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

my bad

Kane and Toews have bonuses which bring their cap hit up substantially more than 800k per

by Temujin on Feb 3, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not looking for just offensice production from my third line center. Although some of it would be nice.

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

And there is a difference between a third line that doesn’t get scored on very much and a shut down third line. Game 7 of the conference finals and it’s a one goal Nucks lead with 5 minutes left you want Wellwood, Bernier and Demo out against Kane and Toews?

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

You raise a good point. I’d trade the 3 of them for one good player if it was the right guy for the right price.

by SteveNux on Feb 3, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Kovalchuk - Kopitar - Brown

Would be a beast of a line. Goddamn.

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by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 4:18 PM PST reply actions  

sounds like more of a beast fetish than a gorilla fetish.

by SteveNux on Feb 3, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Beast > Gorilla. Duh.

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by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Whoa whoa whoa….Gorilla is the greatest of all beasts…everyone knows that. How can beast be better than Gorilla if Gorilla is the best Beast?

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Proper noun. I was referring to the Xmen character =/

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by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Still Gorillas are the shit

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

When I think Gorilla, I think Buddy first, then inflicter of pain.

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by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay how about Beast (xmen) Beastman (heman) and Kovalchuck

by SteveNux on Feb 3, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Would be an incredibly hairy line.

And their goal celebrations will be very exciting and loud. With ample fist-to-chest pounding.

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by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

ummmm

did we watch the same game last night? all you guys sayin the nucks dominated are looking through your orca-coloured glasses i will assume. there were flurys by the nuck in the first and third but not complete domination.

the thin you gotta realize about halak is he is a rebound giving machine… which kinda pads the shots for count… 45 could really read more like 30.

i’ve been living here a few years now and i do cheer for the nucks but some of the fans out here are sooo dillusional when it comes to this team. even worse than some leaf fans!!! you’re having a pretty good year…. much better than my habs who will most likely miss the playoffs but my god people look at games objectively! that second period was back and forth many chances for both teams damn exciting hockey!

that being said good luck in the playoffs, ill be here cheering them on with my fiance( a huge nucks fan)

by HABSFANSTUCKINNUCKAND on Feb 3, 2010 4:27 PM PST reply actions  

You bastard. Leave the Canuck fan women for us!!!!!

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I noticed the refs let the teams play for large stretches too. Exciting hockey indeed.

by Sean Zandberg on Feb 3, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I would be interested to see the stats for how many scoring chances each team got. I felt the Canucks had a lot of scoring chances but we just had no finish whatsoever on the majority of the plays. The Habs on the other hand did a good job of burying their opportunities.

by jozsef on Feb 3, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

well said always nice to another perspective

by Kelownakid on Feb 3, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

If the Canucks finished on even a fraction of their chances, the game could’ve been 7-2 easily. Halak was good but was also lucky. A few posts and shots were definitely giving him more trouble than they should’ve like the shot from Salo from behind the blue line.

by marcness52 on Feb 3, 2010 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

see this is exactly what i’m talking about. if montreal would have finished more of their chances it could have been 17-3!!!!!! what if martin decided to pull halak for the extra attacker in the middle of the 2nd? well we would have had a power play for the rest of the game!!!! coulda been 37-4!!!!!!

i’m all for hometown pride and all but really. just cause you’re a HOME TEAM fan that don’t make you a HOCKEY fan,

by HABSFANSTUCKINNUCKAND on Feb 4, 2010 12:40 AM PST up reply actions  

wait

so if a neutral hockey fan watched that game, noticed the quality chances that did not result in goals, and commented that the Canucks were unlucky to not have scored a few more goals, this would be okay? But if he’s a fan of the home team he can’t say that?

by vanbure on Feb 4, 2010 1:00 AM PST up reply actions  

no no no

not saying that at all….. all i’m saying is that there were chances at both ends.. but homers only tend to see missed (or made) ones on their end…. believe me i’m guilty of it too sometimes.. just being a fan of both teams and watching this game i found it interesting. can anyone really honestly say (as commenters above have) that vancouver dominated 95% of the game?? honestly??

by HABSFANSTUCKINNUCKAND on Feb 4, 2010 1:08 AM PST up reply actions  

It was back and forth and looked more even than the shot clock stats insinuated, IMO. Halak was stellar though and the Canucks played better overall because they got more shots through

by Sean Zandberg on Feb 4, 2010 6:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Dude…relax…I am a Canucks fan, but you cannot say that the Canucks did not dominate that game.

The Habs converted on their chances, but all three goals were the result of defensive breakdowns.

The Habs were better at playing defensively in their own end.

But they did not “both have chances”.

The shots were 2 to 1. Give your hard a shake.

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by vancitydan on Feb 4, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

head

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by vancitydan on Feb 4, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Did you even watch the first 10 minutes of the second period? How many shots did the Canadians have? I seem to recall 0. They started opening up after that sure but Vancouver was doing everything but scoring last game.

by marcness52 on Feb 4, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Hitchcock fired?

Shocker.

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by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 4:37 PM PST reply actions  

I think he peaked with Rear Window.

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

True

But he’s been re-living The Paradine Case for the last few years:>)

by Bobby Canuck on Feb 3, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Brilliant.

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by Section 312 on Feb 3, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m surprised it didn’t happen back in December when they had something like 1 win in 15 games.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 3, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Regarding the Phaneuf trade, I think the fact that the start fighted is more on White than it is on Phaneuf. Phaneuf hit Zajac (I think it was Zajac) with a clean hit, and as has happened so many times, White went after the player that doled out the hit.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 3, 2010 5:57 PM PST reply actions  

It was Parise that Phaneuf went after with an elbow (as per usual).

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by cyxj on Feb 3, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Either way, he didn’t go after White for the fight as the post seems to imply.

I’ll get on a guy for only fighting smaller guys when he’s the aggressor, but I don’t see that as being the case this time.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 3, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn’t have a problem with White standing up for their star player as the hit was almost of the ‘head hunting’ variety.

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by cyxj on Feb 3, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t really have a problem either. I’m just noting that Phaneuf should not be crucified for picking a fight with a smaller guy in this case. Because White went after him.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 3, 2010 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Colin White is 6’4" 220 lbs.

I think that most of the time Phaneuf doesn’t drop the mitts in that situation (we’ve seen it plenty of times) but since it was his first game as a Leaf he’s gotta show something right away.

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by cyxj on Feb 3, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s not necessarily size but how often the person fights. White ain’t no Konopka.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 3, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I know but you said:

I’m just noting that Phaneuf should not be crucified for picking a fight with a smaller guy in this case.

Dion tends to only fight people who rarely fight.

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by cyxj on Feb 3, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess I should have said what I meant (and that should have been people who rarely fight, as you said). Ha, poorly done on my part. C’est la vie.

And him fighting people who rarely fight doesn’t bother me. He has 24 fights in 5 NHL (regular) seasons (assuming I counted right). That’s not exactly the fight card of a top pugilist.

And besides … TRUCULENCE!

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 3, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

a good read at PPP today…..

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by missy on Feb 3, 2010 6:00 PM PST reply actions  

Watching the Flames-Canes game here. 1-0 Flames already

by Sean Zandberg on Feb 3, 2010 6:12 PM PST reply actions  

Kotalik boards Alberts unintentionally. Alberts is laying on the ice

by Sean Zandberg on Feb 3, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

my god i hope he is not taking a peak?

by Kelownakid on Feb 3, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

darn, stajan nets hist first as a flame.

by jozsef on Feb 3, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Plan the parade!

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 3, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

great, ottawa is 10-0-0 in it’s last 10 and we get to play them next

by jozsef on Feb 3, 2010 8:15 PM PST reply actions  

Due for a letdown. Canucks are due for a rebound.

Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.

by Jevant on Feb 4, 2010 5:28 AM PST up reply actions  

FYI, I just updated the score predicting wizards list from last game. British Canuck predicted the correct score and team for 2 points and missy predicted the correct score for 1 point.

by Sean Zandberg on Feb 3, 2010 10:34 PM PST reply actions  

Just saw SportsNet report that the Canucks may be interested in Kariya.

I don’t see it happening since his cap hit is $6.0M.

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by cyxj on Feb 3, 2010 11:19 PM PST reply actions  

lawlwut

Good looking, but too expensive.

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by eightyseven on Feb 3, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Please no. Six mill for a guy who only gets a point maybe every other game. Why not just bring back Sundin?

by marcness52 on Feb 3, 2010 11:30 PM PST up reply actions  

pass.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 4, 2010 12:41 AM PST up reply actions  

isnt Kariya a UFA? I think as a rental, this may not be the worst idea I’ve ever heard…

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by canucklehead666 on Feb 4, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Its too bad Michael Ryder is a RW.

I wouldn’t mind getting him to replace Wellfed.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 4, 2010 12:44 AM PST reply actions  

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