Cody Hodgson For Tomas Kaberle?
Ken Campbell writes a "what-if" rosterbation piece at the Hockey News about one of the rumors floating around. Don't judge him. We all do it once in a while. Question is, would you make this deal? My answer is no. Kaberle is up for a hefty raise this summer and we need those dollars for Kesler and Raymond. Plus I want to see Hodgson get his chance here.
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Kaberle
Is under contract for next season at a cap hit of 4.25.
Puck-moving d-man? Nice, but I don’t think I’d part with CoHo for that. Controllable cheap talent with top 6 potential (at least?). Naw. Keep that here.
Grabner for Kaberle? Yes. Grab/Shirokov? Yes. Grab/Schneider? Don’t know about that. I would say I’d probably want something else back, but the Leafs have pretty well nothing else of value.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
They’ll have a nice, high, first round draft pic… oh wait.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Feb 17, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
You are dreaming in technicolour if you think that you’d ever get Tomas Kaberle, an all-star and Olympic defenceman, who currently sits 3rd overall in points by a defenceman in the league, in the prime of his career, with an affordable year left on his contract, for Michael Grabner. Grabner wasn’t even putting up fantastic numbers in the AHL.
Jevant: wow, what a great deal the Leafs are getting on Kaberle heh?
by Sean Zandberg on Feb 18, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
my thoughts on this n some other stuff
http://waachcast.blogspot.com/2010/02/hodgson-to-leafs-for-kaberle.html
http://waachcast.blogspot.com/ < WAACHCast Blog
by canucklehead666 on Feb 17, 2010 3:53 PM PST reply actions
Just read your blog. The one thing I disagree with is this idea that you use the Olympics to grow the sport of Women’s hockey. That’s wrong as far as I am concerned. The Olympics is the pinnacle of sport and not a platform to try grow women’s sports. If it isn’t big enough for the Olympics too bad. Come back to me when it is.
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by Section 312 on Feb 17, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Gotta bring hitting into women’s hockey
by Sean Zandberg on Feb 17, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
and fighting, god that would be awesome
by Sean Zandberg on Feb 17, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
to clarify
It’s not that I feel that the olympics grow the sport, but it will die if you dont have the allure of the Olympics to encourage women to get involved. People seem to forget Mens hockey was a joke internationally until the other countries caught up to us. It’s wrong not to give it the time and space to grow and when they do, then you can introduce hitting into the game. The only reason they don’t right now is other countries aren’t able to handle the US and Canada. They will get there, but you take the Olympics away from them and you kill the sport. Just change the goals being the main tie breaker and make it goals against instead
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by canucklehead666 on Feb 17, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
I guess we just differ on what the Olympics are for or should be for. And I am not sure watching women from their country get smashed 15-0 is making any Swiss chicks want to play hockey.
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by Section 312 on Feb 17, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think you can really bottleneck the role of the Olympics as just being the highest level of competition. It’s the main part of the games for sure, but it plays many other roles such as encouraging growth in sports and collaboration between nations.
Encouraging youth to participate in sport? Absolutely. Growing a team game that only 40 women in the world are good at? Absolutely not.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Feb 18, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Other teams will become better. It’s just going to be a long, long while.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
So the Olympics have to have a joke of a sport for a long long time so that one day women’s hockey will be more competitive? There are two good teams. Would you be cool with Luge being in the Olympics if there were 2 guys who could go down the track 30 seconds faster than anyone else?
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Feb 19, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
That's up to other nations
If they want to be competitive, they’re going to have to put more resources into growing the sport in their own countries. A country with only 200 women playing hockey is NOT going to beat a nation with 5,000 doing the same.
If you want a gauge of where women’s hockey is going to go, watch Russia. They want to compete on home ice for the next games, and if they do star developing their women’s program, it will be far easier for other nations to increasing their play by not only giving them competition closer to home, but also providing them with someone to beat (no love lost between Russia and China, or Russia and everyone in Eastern Europe, or China and everyone in Asia).
A professional league would certainly help world-wide development, but it would have to be small-scale to start. But having somewhere for international talent to play against (and learn from) the best in the world would boost the talent levels considerably. Right now, the best players from countries outside North America are playing/have played in university. An exchange program of assets (equipment) and talent (coaching and sponsored players) would be another way to improve international competition.
Gotta say, though – I still don’t know why hitting isn’t allowed. These aren’t delicate little wallflowers, kids! Let ’em play!
I agree with a lot of what you say. I am all for growing the sport of women’s hockey. Just not if the Olympics are being used to do that. The Olympics shouldn’t be about growing sports. It should be about featuring sports that are competitive.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Feb 19, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Which explains Norway being at the games… 8)
“Competitive” how, though? Is competing for third place, with a chance at an upset, competitive enough? Enrolment in women’s hockey in Sweden has been increasing by about 10% a year for the past eight years, and often place in the top five teams in the world. Are they good enough? That expansion is only helped by there being a large stage where women’s hockey is seen.
For comparison: Texas had two – TWO – full sized ice sheets when Minnesota did their strange “half-to-San Jose, half-to-Dallas” split. Now, Texas has a dozen professional teams and loads of young Americans from the region are choosing hockey instead of baseball or football as their sport. That’s because of the visibility the NHL team provided.
Not a direct comparison, with the money involved being a prime factor with professional teams, but that visibility can’t be ignored. Without the visibility of the Olympics, or lesser competitions such as the Four Nations, the sport simply doesn’t become an option for athletes to consider.
Well by that logic every winter sport and every summer sport, now matter how small, should be in the Olympics so that athletes have the ability to view every single sport in the world before deciding what sport to play. It just doesn’t work like that. I played baseball and basketball because that is what my family was into and what was available at the school I went to. I played and liked those sports long before I started to like to watch sports on TV.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Feb 22, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Another D man would be nice I guess but the third line problems need to be addressed more imo and definitely not for Hodgson. If you were trading Hodgson, it would have to be for another forward and a pick.
I could see that happening
Hodgson for someone plus a high pick…would be ballsy of both GM’s to make a move like that. Probably too ballsy for MG (and most other GM’s anyways).
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
I know it’s Eklund, I know, but:
On Scott Niedermayer…
The Hawks (e4) and Canucks (e4) are joined by NJ (e2) and to a smaller extent Boston (e2) and Philly (e3) It is all up to Scott however, so Vancouver could be the best fit.
If the Canucks are going for it now…Niedermayer is the best option out of any d-man as far as a rental goes. The Canucks probably still have interest in this guy. But the Ducks are only 2 points out of a playoff spot. I don’t see it happening.
But yeah…the 3rd line must be addressed first I agree
Don't see it either
Although, I have very little confidence that MG is going to do something at the deadline. Just a bad feeling, that’s all. If Cullen went for Picard/2nd surely we could have gotten him for Shirokov/2nd, no? (and something like Wellwood to even the salary cap if necessary). Why wasn’t MG in on that?
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
Picard is a D man who has been in the league for parts at least of six season, though he’s no world beater. Shirokov has yet to prove a thing at the NHL level, so I’m not sure Shirokov and Picard are quite comparable. If Carolina wanted help on D, I don’t think the Canucks could offer anything comparable to Picard. And maybe their experience with Babchuck bolting at the end of last season for the KHL made they wary of Russians?.
As for Neids, are you sure the Ducks are going to be sellers? They are in 11th with 67 pts, but that’s only two pts back of eight place Calgary. Dallas and Detroit are at 67, each with a game in hand on the Ducks. So they are not really out of the hunt by any stretch.
My hopes exceed my expectations
-WeepingTile
But the Ducks are only 2 points out of a playoff spot
You gotta read my whole comment, man! ;)
by Sean Zandberg on Feb 17, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
Too true! Sorry!
My hopes exceed my expectations
-WeepingTile
by ThomasPratt on Feb 17, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps true...
…but if a guy has been in the league for parts of six seasons and has that sort of stat line, I’d personally prefer someone who might have some upside. Shirokov’s lack of NHL experience would actually be a positive for me in this case…I’d take the guy with the higher ceiling. Picard has only proved that he can’t cut it at the NHL level, in my books anyways.
Obviously there might be some more ceiling there, but perhaps that’s just my approach.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
One problem with trading Shirkov
…He only wants to play for Vancouver, I seem to recall. He’s still got the KHL option, and teams there that want to pay him, so would he willingly stay with another team? That question will drop his value considerably.
He only wants to play for Vancouver
Really? I didn’t know he said that. Bure must’ve been his favourite player growing up?
Poutine & Meatballs
The trick is that he might have been playing media games: his KHL team was trying to sign him, and there was no guarantee he’d be with Vancouver (who drafted him) if he did jump to the NHL, so he may have been applying pressure not only to his current team, but also on the Canucks to find a place for him if he did decide to come to North America.
Thing is, if you’re below the age of 28, KHL rules state that you MUST sign with your current team, so it was either $500,000 there or (potentially) $875,000 here, with the risk of minor-league money ($67,000 Canadian) if he stayed down. So it may have been trying to force Vancouver’s hand; but anyone who launches (and wins) a lawsuit to avoid being paid half a million dollars can’t bee all that okay in the head…
Whatever the case, I’m still happy with the results – second in team scoring and
Wooo! Belaruuuus!
Sorry, Belarus got to within two of Sweden. What was I saying? Oh, yeah: I’m happy with having Shirokov here, and Grabner too. Having a roster of young, offensively-minded forwards is something the Canucks are actually quite bad at, historically speaking. I just don’t think Vancouver needs the help on the blue line.
Yep. Over at PPP, we feel the same way.
The consensus is that this suggested trade is not in the best interest of either club, and has very little chance of ever materializing. From Leaf fans’ point of view, concerns over Hodgson’s serious back injury, as well as the fact that we have Nazem Kadri coming up at the same position at the same time make Hodgson an unlikely choice. Furthermore, since the Nucks don’t need a guy with Kaberle’s skill set as much as some other clubs do, so it’s likely we’d get a better return elsewhere. Plus, from what I understand, the Canucks’ farm system isn’t exactly overflowing with good prospects at centre, and it would be better to hang on to him.
This is a difficult one for me
Just like my ever pessimistic father says, “this always happens to the Canucks”. For once I agreed with him. The Hodgson fiasco is just so classic of what has happened to us when we find an excellent draft pick, it just doesn’t work out for some reason. Hodgson is sure to be a decent player at some level, I imagine that not being with the Canucks might be a good thing for him, a sort of reset, and an attempt to get into the NHL with a team under less pressure from the fanbase. This is why a move to Toronto seems rather unlikely, and a move to a place like Anaheim, or Carolina, amongst other places might be better. I like Kaberle, I think he is better than many people give him credit for, it would awesome to see him set up or point shots from Sami Salo, or the Hoff… but realistically I don’t see it happening. One thing is for sure, I look forward to Willie Mitchell’s return, I miss the toughness from him (and Bieksa even a little too). Regardless of what happens I wish Cody well.. if he turns out to be a top six forward with us, I will make my father eat his words…
lol old new probably.. but hell can it get any worse in Oil town?
http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/02/17/oilers-nikolai-khabibulin-faces-dui-speeding-charges/
I can see his excuse now to the police, I believe the altercation would go something like this.
Officer: “Hi there sir, are you aware that you are 10 time over the legal limit?”
Khabi: “Nyet, Da Shiskanen da benatal”
Officer: “Sorry I don’t quite understand”
Khabi: “I ammm running away from fuckin Edmonston you fucking prick, let me GO! Goo goo gaaggbgle..rrghgh”
Officer: “You play goal for the Edmonton Oilers?”
Khabi:" Da" (long sigh…)
Officer: “Oh, I understand… we’ll drop all the charges… I feel that sorry for you”
Khabi : “Gurgle…”
Official transcript
:P
trade
Are some of you people crazy? Im reading posts that say many of you would want a player and a high pick for hodgson. First off, he just battled a back injury which isn’t a positive thing. He also isnt even NHL proven, no one knows how he will produce at that level. In my opinion the canucks would be lucky if they got kaberle straight up for hodgson. If i were the Leafs I would be asking for hodgson and a draft pick. Kaberle is in his prime, he’s a multiple all-star defenceman, an elite puck moving defenceman, is good for 50-65 points a year, and is an olympian. I can understand if you fans think he would be a bad fit on your team, but dont go as far as saying you want more for hodgson. At this point he is just a variable at the NHL level, no one knows how good or bad he just might be, but everyone knows the strengths and weaknesses of kaberle
I was saying if you were going to trade Hodgson it would have to be for another forward and a pick. You’d be stupid to give up a promising prospect without getting one back. Most teams wouldn’t give that up which is why you wouldn’t trade Hodgson. He’s not a proven NHL player but he’s Vancouver’s best prospect and you don’t just give those away for free.
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