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At the risk of sounding like the average 16 year old resident of CDC, I am beginning to think that the Canucks might need to do a little something to shake things up, before they fall any further. Now I am not going all Chicken Little on you, I tend to be a 'glass half full' kind of guy, but a team that gives up the opening goal 7 straight games is not going places unless they change more than just their sunny disposition.
When a team plays a stretch of hockey like the Canucks did in December and January, it's normal to expect some kind of letdown. And there were many who predicted this is exactly when it would happen. That the Canucks are struggling right now isn't necessarily a shock, it's how they're losing that has me concerned.
It's not just that the top line isn't scoring right now, it's that the balanced scoring we have seen this season all seemed to dry up at once. The band-aid crew on D has seemingly forgotten how to battle, making the mistakes that much more glaring when they happen. And the 3rd and 4th lines? Well, the more things change...
With less than 48 hours to go until the NHL trade freeze for the Olympic break, you have to believe GM Mike Gillis is on the phone trying to not just add some depth for the playoffs but make some fundamental changes to this team. There are players in this organization who simply are not working out, and if we don't cut them free now, it may be too late to stop the damage their ineffectual play has caused.
A small problem with this; given how poor the play of guys like Steve Bernier, Kyle Wellwood and Kevin Bieksa has been, just who in their right mind is going to take them in exchange for anything? Sure, history is filled with underachievers who suddenly find themselves after a trade. But I find it hard to believe that these guys are going to add their names to that list. We need bottom 6 help, and we need D help, and if Mike Gillis isn't willing to mortgage part of the future to change it, then he may as well go into sell mode and shut it down for the season.
This team is close to contending this year. A couple tweaks, and they can do battle with anyone, as they have shown when taking on the top teams in the NHL this season. It would be a bloody shame if we don't get the chance to see just what they are capable of by freeing the mattress trapped under the bus that is slowing them down (obscure Brian Posehn reference).
Beer's ok for brunch, right? No? How about scotch?
Despite his assurance that he will be ready to play this weekend, Team Canada officials are taking a very cautious approach when it comes to Ryan Getzlaf and his injured ankle. Even if he is able to go, it wouldn't be a shock if they consider sitting him and bringing someone else in, having hopefully learned the lesson from 4 years ago when they took a very banged up team to Turin and got their asses handed to them.
Speaking of injuries, Marion Gaborik is reportedly a no-go tonight for the Rangers after suffering a laceration of his thigh during a collision with Rangers G Henrik Lundqvist. Could be a late decision, but don't be shocked if this game gets postponed because of the blizzard-like conditions on the East coast.
Carey Price gets the nod for the Habs tonight as they try and stop Washington's winning streak at 15 games. Hard to tell if new GM Pierre Gauthier is trying to showcase Price as trade bait, or just thinks he will do a better job against the high-flying Caps. Either way, I am sure at least one member of the Caps media horde will find something to complain about...
The Marty Turco watch is on in Dallas, with Philadelphia popping up as a potential destination for the one-time Olympian. Flyer fans weigh in here...
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A bit late to say this, but I never felt good about paying Bernier 2mil a year. He’s getting paid the same as Burrows, and I don’t need to tell you guys what’s wrong with that. At least Wellwood has a more reasonable salary.
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Although I agree with you about a shakeup of some kind, I am really against mortgaging the future. The only way that’s a smart move is if the return gives us a guaranteed cup, and I just don’t think that can happen. Even if we don’t make it this year, if the Canucks do the right things in the offseason I don’t see why we couldnt next…grabner, coho, hansen, shirokov etc. they’ll all be a year older and better. Of course coho is a question mark with not much play this year, but a champion is a champion, and I believe he could make the big club.
The lack of production from lines 1 and 3 is disturbing to say the least, but the fact is we had those same two lines during december and january…it’s feb. 10th now and we’re already talking about dumping the whole third line cuz they don’t produce and the team’s going to tumble? Sorry, but you most definitely ARE hitting the panic button with that kind of talk. I’d expect that from Ed Willes. From you I find it a bit depressing.
Bernier and Wellwood have been boat anchors, but I don’t think they’re the cause of the teams misery these last couple games. I do believe that Bernier would be an easier trade than wellwood, cuz I think Bernier does have a good player inside him somewhere. Wellwood, I just don’t think he cares all that much. If Wellwood’s natural talent had Kesler’s work ethic, we’d have a monster on our hands. Unfortunately…
Our defensive woes are a real bummer right now, and it is something the team really can’t control. Injuries happen, and it’s times like this we’re very happy to have a Baumer and a Luko in the system. It would be hard for a team to manage with say 8 or 9 NHL caliber top tier defensemen…what do you do, send some really good players to the minors? I don’t know if that would be welcomed by the players and would have some pretty bad long term consequences to the team. No defensemen would ever want to play here knowing they’d be sent down. It’s a hard thing. I do 100% agree that trading bieksa would not be a bad thing, and having Mitchell back will certainly be beneficial. I’m somewhat of the mind as well that because of what I mentioned before, it wouldn’t be a bad thing to trade salo for someone who isn’t prone to injury. I love salo, but if we could trade him and someone else for just one good top 6 defenseman of Salo levels without the injury problems, that would go a long ways to alleviating defensive concerns.
Of course, all of this is just my opinion, and as I’ve stated before in various ways, if I was a good NHL GM, I’d be one…obviously, I’m not.
If he stays healthy (yeah, I did say “if”, sigh), and if (there’s that word again) no deals are to be had at an acceptable price, then might we consider using Demo as the 3rd line center, between say Hansen and somebody else? I mean, the guy did play well centering Gaborik on Minn’s top line.
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I would like to see Demo centering Hansen and Sammy on the third line with Grabner on line 2. I think that would give the third line a nice balance of O and D while helping the second line be more offensive. But Demo doesn’t like playing in the middle so can you force him to play there? You can. But will you get the desired results?
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I like that idea, but I also was impressed with the chemistry that RPM II brought. Everyone here knows i’m not a big demitra fan, but it’s not cuz he can’t play, it’s cuz I think he’s not worth what we pay him. Anyways, I do like Demitra Kesler and Raymond as a line. I also like Grabner, Kesler and Raymond. So I’m torn. I do wonder if there would be some agitation and bitterness on Demitra’s part if he was put on the third line…and if that would lead to some locker room poison.
He has been on the third line since he got back hasn’t he? Playing with the two biggest fails on our team. Wellfed and Death to Scoring Chances.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
Well before that he was playing on the third line right? I mean if he doesn’t like it too bad. I don’t want our coaches making decisions based on having to molly coddle out players. If he doesn’t like it he can piss off. But that’s just me.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
Yeah I agree about mollycoddling the players… all I’m saying is it would be bad if a move to third line caused unhappiness in the dressing room. That kind of cancer can eat a team up in almost no time at all, and becomes real hard to recover from. I think they started him on line 3 because they weren’t sure how he’d fit on two, plus he hadnt played in like 18 years or something.
I totally like these ideas, and just throwing out a ‘what if’. I have no idea if Demo is a prima donna or not…
I like those combos. Grabner played well with Kes and Ray mond before, and the line’s speed was a lotta fun to watch. As for Demo w/Sammy: I like that too: the passer meets the shooter.
Demo might prefer the wing but he plays center just fine – ask Gaborik – and he’s done it w/Vanc before and scored, iirc, at a slightly higher clip from that position than he has done for us as a winger. I’m going from memory here, tho, so if anyone knows better, pls tell me!
Good deals are hard to find and rentals ain’t cheap. W/Demo at center we, theoretically, could have a contributing 3rd line, and we’ll be getting back our top d-men soon, too. If a great deal is out there, sure, but if the other GMs want the world for three ordinary beans, well, what we already have in reserve ain’t exactly chopped liver.
Capwise, tho, we can;t hang on to both Demo and Bieksa this year if they’re healthy, so barring further injuries, something is gonna have to give. Maybe we’ll be sellers this year instead of buyers?
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Definitely no time to panic. Except the puzzling fact that they don’t seem to get into the game until the second period (and getting the first goal scored against them), their play was pretty decent on this road trip. The distraction of the olympics, and Mitchell’s absence is also a factor that will go away soon.
I think that the post-olympic stretch will show that they are the same team that piled up those wins in January.
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And of course it is better to go through a slump now than in the playoffs. After the Olympics the team will be able to re-focus on the end of the season and the playoffs, which is what these guys are gearing up for this year, will be closer. It should be easier for them to play at a high level more consistently when the finish line is in sight.
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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
And simple change in game strategy, such as really focusing on scoring first, would make a big difference. I am intrigued that he coach is not paying enough attention to this.
When scoring first, the Canucks are really difficult to play against. They have some great speed in front (Burrs, Ray, Kesler), and when teams try to take chances against them, in order to catch up, they Canucks can burn them with their swift counter-attack.
Scoring first, would have changed the whole complexion of the game, both at Tampa and Montreal. This must be the coach’s challenge.
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2-3 in 5 games on the road?
Not nearly time to panic. If they go 2-6 on the first 8, then we can start getting concerned.
A 7-7 road trip is still easily attainable.
Wellwood needs to go, and maybe Bernier too (more just because we can fill his spot with equivalent talent for cheaper…like Hansen or Grabner, although I’m in the minority that likes Bernier for his physical presence of which this team lacks). But that needed to happen regardless…even if they went 5-0 I’d still say we needed a better 3rd line centre.
Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.
Wellfed has got to be replaced.
As for Bernier, I am nearing the breaking point, but I tolerate him still because I think he works as hard as Kesler and Burrows, and is physical, just has NO HANDS AT ALL, nor does he play with Raymond or the Sedins, so he doesn’t produce like those two.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 10, 2010 2:04 PM PST reply actions
I find it laughable that anyone would include Bernier in the same breath as Burrows and Kesler. I have never seen him work as hard as those two. He is no where near the player that Burrows is, let alone Kesler, and the fact he is big and throws a couple hits a game doesn’t mean he is worth his spot on our team.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
I think the fact that he has no hands at all would be reason enough to give him the boot.
Im not saying he has the same skills as those two, I just think he works hard and hits, which is good, but only for so long. That being said, if something better comes along, sure, dump Bern, but until then, we might as well make the best of the situation. My comment above was simply a rationalization to keep me from hating him and losing my mind everytime he messes up a scoring chance.
At least he’s not as bad as Taylor Pyatt.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 10, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
At least he’s not as bad as Taylor Pyatt.
But those eyes….they were sooooo dreamy.
Seriously though I like the fact that he hits and is big. And if he wanted to take a 500,000-750,000 dollar a year pay cut I would gladly have him on my 4th line.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
Line 1 and Line 2 are good just as they are. The Sedins had a bad week – it happens to every player. We haven’t seen the last of their offensive dominance.
Line 3 is what needs to be addressed. I think this has to be the end for Wellwood. His only benefit was supposed to be play-making skills and a scoring touch. I haven’t seen either all season unless you count that epic-fail pass that lead to the GWG yesterday. Bernier, however, deserves more time and patience. He legitimately improved his skating and conditioning in the off-season. He’s a big body up front who can play physical – something we don’t have anywhere else in our top 3 lines. He’s still young. We gave Raymond chance after chance and now it’s paying off in dividends. Bernier deserves the same opportunities to prove he belongs on this team. His paycheck is a bit steep but it would be a wasted investment to just give up on him now.
by Villain85 on Feb 10, 2010 2:21 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Good point
It’s also worth noting that Raymond and Bernier are the same age, Bernier just got rushed to the NHL a lot quicker.
I definitely like the physical presence, considering he’s the only guy in our top 9 who is going to scare a d-man when coming in on the forecheck. Kesler and Burrows, awesome as they are, aren’t the same size.
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The thing is it isn’t 1995 anymore. You don’t need top 6 guys who “scare” D men with their size. I don’t think any D men are scared of Sharp, Kane and Toews’ size but they are sure scared when those three are moving through the neutral zone with speed.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
True enough, though I’m only optimistic enough to see Bernier as a contributing 3rd liner at this stage.
There’s something to be said about a good, strong-skating power forward though. Their size, and their presence in front of the net is an awesome asset. I’m not saying Bernie could ever be a Rick Nash or Ryan Getzlaf, but I don’t see why he couldn’t use his size as effectively as a Dustin Penner and have the work ethic to do it consistently for the whole season.
Penner is the mirror opposite of Bernier. Great hands and no work ethic. If only we could somehow combine them into the same player but at Bernier’s pay grade.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
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"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 10, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
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More talking about the forecheck. If Bernier can fly in and crash and bang a bit, it makes the d-men move the puck quicker, which causes mistakes.
I think Bernier can still be an effective player. Overpaid, perhaps, but effective.
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Like the pick.
Carter hasn’t exactly been lighting it up, but at least he’s performing much better since he got left the Olympic roster. Looks like his performance is being rewarded.
Like his size and we’re subbing a PF with a PF which is good. Let’s just hope he doesn’t take stupid penalties, and is willing to buy into the 2-way-game system.
by Vancouverguy on Feb 10, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
but a team that gives up the opening goal 7 straight games is not going places unless they change more than just their sunny disposition.
The Leafs did that, but for a majority of those games they had the Human Sieve in net. That’s just surprizing to see a team with a goalie as good as Luongo doing that…
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 10, 2010 3:26 PM PST reply actions
If that hand gets any closer to the panic button, I’m gonna stomp on it with my golf shoes, metal cleats and all. The Burrdins were due for a letdown, especially on the road. Talk of going 7 and 1, or 6 and 2 on the first segment of tRTFH™ were a little pie in the sky. Get the O jumpstarted, get the first goal and they’ll be OK.
Fingers crossed.
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agree. although it is significantly harder to get the 1st goal on the road, the boys just have to find ways to get on the board so that they don’t start hallucinating that the opposition goalie is patrick roy
They’ve had good chances to do this in every game except the Ottawa game when they took a penalty ridiculously early. You really can’t ask for more than good players getting good chances to score.
I do like Demitra Kesler and Raymond as a line.
Me too. It will work. And it will help when Demo returns tomorrow I think. No panic from me yet. The team has the abilities to win and needs to find that gear back at the beginning of games. They will. I’m sure of it. Like someone said above: if they finish this road trip 500 I’m ok with that
The more I keep visualizing Malkin’s vicious hit on Mitchell, the more I hear that Mitchell isn’t symptom-free yet, the more I see Malkin preening along the ice, the more I realize that Malkin got off scott free for what he caused, the more I hate the guy.

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