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Anyone hear something about a trade?  For those of us who blog, or are deeply entrenched in social media applications like Twitter, yesterday was fascinating as we we saw the good, the bad and the ugly of how breaking news is reported in situations like this.  TSN's Darren Dreger was on top of it all, but a lot of people came under fire for tweeting his info as though it were there scoop, part of a recent trend where bloggers aren't giving sources credit due.

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As someone who is still fairly new to Twitter, I was thrilled at the pace which facts and opinions burst forth on my monitor yesterday.  A lot of times, the typed word doesn't do a great job in translating the emotions behind the words. But you could feel the excitement in nearly every post, from the press and fans of the teams involved, to the rest of us who were amazed that such a deal could be pulled off in the salary cap era.

Lots are now speculating on who won the trades, and we had some excellent discussion here about the impacts on the teams involved and how it affects the Canucks.  In reality, only time will tell if these deals help the teams that make them.  Smart moves?  Perhaps, but they likely don't happen if the teams involved don't find themselves in the kind of despair that makes you trade half your team away.

The details on the trade between Calgary and the Rangers are still being sorted out, and we will likely have more discussion on the impact of those moves today.  The Canucks are still being mentioned as being players, especially in the Ilya Kovalchuk sweepstakes, so we will keep an eye on any news for you as always.

Another day off for the Canucks as they prepare to take on Les Canadiens tomorrow night at the Bell Center.  Despite the victory against the Leafs Saturday, you have to think that Ryan Johnson will draw back in the lineup, likely at the expense of a guy like Steve Bernier.  If there were a way to figure out why a guy who seems to have so much upside just continually disappoints, that would be a godsend.  He with the hands of stone might not be long for this team unless he manages to turn things around, maybe a benching in his hometown will send the message that he is not performing up to the standards required of him.

You would think that the Canucks don't need to ice as strong a team toughness wise against the much smaller Montreal squad as they did against the Leafs.  It will be interesting to see how the Canadiens react to the news of Mike Cammalleri's injury (we should find out MRI results anytime) as well as who starts in goal.  Carey Price got bombed by the Canucks as they skated to an easy 7-1 victory at GM Place, you can be sure that will be on the Habs minds.  My guess is Halak starts, against Roberto Luongo who will be well rested after kindly giving Andrew Raycroft some much needed game action Saturday night.

With the kind of performance Alex Burrows had in Toronto, can you blame Canucks fans for being excited about what he in the Sedins might accomplish in front of his friends and family Tuesday night?  The Eastern media is still abuzz with the performance by the Meatballs and Poutine (love that one who ever came up with it) line, which led to a rather funny article on Puck Daddy today, poking some fun at Eastern media types.

I'll trade you my pancakes for that breakfast burrito and a juice to be named later...

It will be interesting to see if yesterday's jaw-dropping trades set off a frenzy as the Olympic trade freeze nears.  You have to give credit to the GM's involved though.  It takes a lot of guts to pull off deals like this, especially from Calgary's perspective as they continue to battle to stay above the cutoff line for post season action.  Like I said, time will tell if these moves work, but I found it funny that the talk from the Flames camp is that Ales Kotalik is being brought in to give Iginla someone to work with.  Wasn't that what they said about Jokinen?  That trade has the appearance of not improving either team, but merely transferring underachievers with each other.

Speaking of the Rangers, they did us a solid last night in handing the Avs a 3-1 loss.  Marion Gaborik had a hat trick for the Blueshirts as the Avs continue to struggle to score goals.  Phoenix toppled the Stars 4-2 with an assist from the Westboro Baptist Church.  You'd think they'd wait til New Jersey came to town.  Tough news for Phoenix, as they've lost leading scorer Scottie Upshall to a torn ACL.  He will have surgery, which will likely keep him out of the lineup for the rest of the season, which has to be heartbreaking for the former Kamloops Blazer.  He finally seemed to be showing the potential we saw back in his Blazers days.  Speaking of New Jersey, they dropped a 3-2 decision to the Kings.  LA is playing some decent hockey right now, and don't be surprised if this team makes some moves soon to gear up for a playoff run.  Good to see them getting back in the mix. 

Florida shut out the Islanders 2-0, and the Penguins needed a shootout to knock off the Wings 2-1in a Stanley Cup rematch in Detroit.  Alex Ovechkin had the winner as the Caps won their 10th straight in knocking off the Tampa Bay Lightning 3-2.  Breaking news as always when we get it, and full pregame coverage tomorrow.

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trade falling apart?

Bob McKenzie is reporting Jokinen and likely Prust will be in the lineup against the Flyers tonight, and that the trade might have fallen through

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by canucklehead666 on Feb 1, 2010 7:41 AM PST reply actions  

there were rumours of this on the Ranger blog site last night. Of course on their site is was blamed on last minute shenanigans by the Flames. Ps Another Great post thanks canucklehad666 I feel completely up to spead on my favourite sport.

by Kelownakid on Feb 1, 2010 7:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Probably fell apart because it’s a crap trade for the Flames.

So don't get violent and don't get caught with your head down, the night she stole the moon.

by thelastjohnny on Feb 1, 2010 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s why I was hoping it was going through…

Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.

by Jevant on Feb 1, 2010 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

totally agree it was a crap deal for the Flames. Even the fact that it got out will really hurt them. The players involved will be unsettled and the whole player group has to be wondering who the hell they are working for.

by Kelownakid on Feb 1, 2010 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

i was on the rangers blog last night.

darren dreger did say that it was the flames holding up the deal, and they were working on why.
btw, at the flames blog, they were all saying that it was to make sure atlanta was going to come through on their side of a kovalchuk deal if calgary made the trade with new york…..

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by missy on Feb 1, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

BobMac reporting the trade fell apart because Sutter wrestled his phone back from MG and said “Slats? Look, whatever was said in the last hour, it was Gillis—no way is that fucking happening.”

by Passive Voice on Feb 1, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

my favourite part...

…is how Flames fans everywhere are shouting “clearing cap space for Kovalchuk!” without giving a moment’s thought to their (in)ability to offer anything up to get him. You can clear all the cap space you want, but if you can’t come up with the price, you lose.

Oh, and I don’t think there is a lot of cap savings to be found in these deals for this year anyway, is there?

by beemser on Feb 1, 2010 9:13 AM PST reply actions  

No 1st rounder this year either, I honestly don’t see how they trade for Kovy – maybe could try to sign him in the offseason, but are they really going to be able to fill out a roster with the salaries of Iginla, Bouw, Kipper and then add Kovy? Maybe, but they’ll be filling it out with the Brandon Prusts of the world on the 2nd line.

Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.

by Jevant on Feb 1, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

i think the theory is that Kotalik and Higgins plus like a prospect are going to the Thrashers. That really shouldn’t get you Kovalchuk, but it is Don Waddell..

by Passive Voice on Feb 1, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

no way

No way will that package compete with other offers for Kovie. Even Don Waddell can’t be that stupid when he has multiple offers to choose from.

by beemser on Feb 1, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

definitely

just can’t happen in a logical world. which is why DW is all over it, I guess.

by Passive Voice on Feb 1, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

If that’s the price, I’d be okay with Kovy as just a rental. It’ll be more than that. Got to.

Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.

by Jevant on Feb 1, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I read the other day that Atlanta wanted one of Jack Johnson or Oscar Moller plus Simmonds as well as Schenn, Kozun and Teubert from LA so I don’t see how the Flames could get anywhere near that amount of talent.

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by Section 312 on Feb 1, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the logic I saw going around earlier was top six roster player + depth guy + prospect + pick… I don’t think much else will pry him out of Atlanta unless something is really tipping someone’s hand.

by rsm on Feb 1, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I heard it was more than 2 prospects and picks.

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by Section 312 on Feb 1, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Sutter is imploding his team.

I dont know if it will work though. Unless he gets Kovy.

My bet is that the Rangers will get Kovy, they have a habit of overpaying.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 1, 2010 9:35 AM PST reply actions  

The Rangers and what mismanaged cap space… Unless they dump Redden or similar in Hartford it is not happening.

by rsm on Feb 1, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

3 Stars of the Month

1. Ovechkin
2. Henrik Sedin
3. Vokoun

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by missy on Feb 1, 2010 10:27 AM PST reply actions  

Where’s Burrows? 5 multi-goal games, and 15 goals in the month??

Should have been him instead of Hank or Vokoun. For sure.

Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.

by Jevant on Feb 1, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree 100%.

Poutine & Meatballs

by cyxj on Feb 1, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

The sun rises in the east….and just stays there, apparently.

Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.

by Smoboy41 on Feb 1, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Regardless of the controversy, I thought that a 4 point night to end the month (and to single handidly start the comeback with ANOTHER 2 goal game) would demand inclusion.

Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.

by Jevant on Feb 1, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I can see that argument. I’m curious whether they might have a rule as to having multiple players from the same team, in which case it was a choice between Henrik and Alex… The controversy might tip that one in Henrik’s favour, although I think Alex probably would have deserved the spot based on his play and scoring.

by rsm on Feb 1, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Burrows is the very first Honourable Mention.
NHL.com story here.

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by missy on Feb 1, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Beat me to it.

Also the fact that Henrik had 25pts to Ovechkin’s 26 when Washington has been absolutely on fire in January is a bit mindblowing.

by rsm on Feb 1, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

From Mr. Everything to Miss Congeniality.

Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.

by Smoboy41 on Feb 1, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

haha

Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.

by Jevant on Feb 1, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Brian Elliot – 1.10 GAA

by Villain85 on Feb 1, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

any of u guys think that sutter tried to scam Kovalchuk back door, but the Joki trade got leaked and then teams with legit offers like LA, maybe even Van, Boston etc came through to kill any desire for waddell to get Kotalik? Man this is madness

by Rod Blogojevich on Feb 1, 2010 11:18 AM PST reply actions  

The Eastern media is still abuzz with the performance by the Meatballs and Poutine (love that one who ever came up with it) line

I’m not one to toot my own horn but I came up with P&M. :)

Poutine & Meatballs

by cyxj on Feb 1, 2010 11:23 AM PST reply actions  

lol you did, I remember, Sean made a post asking for nicknames for Sedins + Burrows.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 1, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

and you came up with Poutine and Meatballs.

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 1, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn’t that also what Wellwood eats between shifts?

by SteveNux on Feb 1, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s just too long of a name…sorry cyxj. I still like Burrdins. Quick and easy.

by Sean Zandberg on Feb 1, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I do kind of like how Hank/Dank/& Bank rolls off the tongue…

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by vancitydan on Feb 1, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Burrdins,as well. It sounds like a cool indie band.

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by Smoboy41 on Feb 1, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

They are all good- the Burrdins is sticking with me early on. But hell Meatballs and Poutine is awesome as well cyxj so you get the nod if it goes viral. Very nicely done.

by Kelownakid on Feb 1, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Sedinery is the best in that it encompasses the essence of the line and what it does.

by Bobby Canuck on Feb 1, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, Sedinery is cool too. Sorry cyxj I’m not trying to piss on your idea. I just like names that “roll off the tongue”. The best nicknames in NHL history had that.

by Sean Zandberg on Feb 1, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

No apologies needed, man.

Poutine & Meatballs

by cyxj on Feb 1, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

what no one from calgary seems to realize is that if kotalik and higgins are the asking price for kovalchuk, why wouldnt the rangers just get kovalchuk themselves? plus, from what bare cupboard are the flames planning on giving the thrashers prospects? no 1st rounder..they just traded their 3rd best prospect in aulie..

by crafish on Feb 1, 2010 1:19 PM PST reply actions  

keep in mind, however, that they just got 4 players from the Leafs, 2 of which (meyers and stajan) were last-minute additions to the trade…..

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by missy on Feb 1, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm you are pretty smart for a girl missy. I am seeing how many bridges i can burn. Oh yea and I am single as well go figure.

by Kelownakid on Feb 1, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

you are pretty smart for a girl missy.

hahaha, oh man, enjoy the single life ;)

by Sean Zandberg on Feb 1, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Hit…and miss.

Keep working on your game, budday!

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by eightyseven on Feb 1, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

pretty smart for a girl

so you’re saying that girls are dumber than guys? you better watch it, us girls are way more than able to outsmart you guys….

Oh yeah and I am single as well

why should it be of relevance to me that you are single?

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by missy on Feb 1, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Because that comical sexism is exactly why he is single.

That is the joke.

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

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by eightyseven on Feb 1, 2010 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

ah yes, i see now.

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by missy on Feb 1, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahah wow, I sounded incredibly bitchy in that comment.

M’bad XD

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by eightyseven on Feb 1, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice deconstruction I feel almost "understood’. I do apologize though missy if you were the least bit bothered by that. Your comments are awesome.

by Kelownakid on Feb 2, 2010 12:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I do my best.

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

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by eightyseven on Feb 2, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Confucius say … man who think he smarter than wife … have very smart wife!

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by casual on Feb 2, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

The Canucks are getting Kovy

for Raymond, Grabner, Schneider, Hodgson and a #1;)

by Bobby Canuck on Feb 1, 2010 1:44 PM PST reply actions  

as if!

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by missy on Feb 1, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

The Canucks are getting...

Kovy pounded in the ass, over and over and over and over and over.

by Passive Voice on Feb 1, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously though,

Do we really expect the Leafs and Flames to do well as long as Wilson and Sutter are the respective coaches?

by Bobby Canuck on Feb 1, 2010 1:49 PM PST reply actions  

What do you have against Sutter? He has a Memorial Cup, Two WJHC, and a division title in New Jersey. Not to mention numerous winning seasons everywhere he has coached. If there is a problem with that team it has nothing to do with Brent Sutter.

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by Section 312 on Feb 1, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Darryl, on the other hand….

by ThomasPratt on Feb 1, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I think everything wrong with the Flamers pretty much traces back to the Jokinen trade. What a blunder that move turned out to be.

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by Section 312 on Feb 1, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m kind of surprised Jokinen flopped so badly since he left the panthers. He was a regular fixture on my fantasy team a couple years in a row, was a consistent scorer.

by jozsef on Feb 1, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

oh he had a decent season with phoenix.. hmm

by jozsef on Feb 1, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

You ever notice that every team Jokinen has played for has sucked? Coincidence? Sucktitiude follows him around for some reason.

by Sean Zandberg on Feb 1, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

to be fair

the flames had been working on teh suck for a long time before he showed up, mere coincidence. problem is, how do you tell if he makes the rangers suck?

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by canucklehead666 on Feb 1, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

totally make sense to me. Is it is like asking if a little more antimatter make a black hole blacker?

by Kelownakid on Feb 1, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, he was the team captain in Florida

by Sean Zandberg on Feb 1, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

so

that just makes him captain suck

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by canucklehead666 on Feb 1, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Are Stajan and White UFAs in the offseason?

Would Burke bring White and Hagman back to Toronto? Assuming that they don’t make playoffs and can rent out players and get them back.

Or am I just noobzorz?

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by eightyseven on Feb 1, 2010 2:34 PM PST reply actions  

Can someone get me an Urban Dictionary? Noobzorz?

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by Smoboy41 on Feb 1, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Stajan=UFA, White=RFA

Hagman has 2 more years on his contract.

It would be very suspicious if some “Indian giving” occurs.

Poutine & Meatballs

by cyxj on Feb 1, 2010 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Not like Burke wouldn’t do it.

"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"

- Dallas Stars Forum

by eightyseven on Feb 1, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

totally fair ball in todays NHL.

by Kelownakid on Feb 1, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

nice writeup canucklehead =)

by jozsef on Feb 1, 2010 4:13 PM PST reply actions  

aahh thank you, Sir

I swear I don’t know where it comes from, as I am not usually coherent until almost noon

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by canucklehead666 on Feb 1, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

so you get stuck with a morning job….DAMN! haha

by Sean Zandberg on Feb 1, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

speaking of which...

when does my dental kick in?

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by canucklehead666 on Feb 1, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

What about Hansen with Wellwood and Demitra and sit Bernier?

by SteveNux on Feb 1, 2010 4:22 PM PST reply actions  

flames losing 2-0, woohoo

by jozsef on Feb 1, 2010 8:33 PM PST reply actions  

3-0 final, awesome!!

Poutine & Meatballs

by cyxj on Feb 1, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

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