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Ryan Lambert at Puck Daddy rants about Naslund having his number retired.
Now, I'm not a Canucks fan, but this guy seems totally off-base in his criticisms of Naslund. Terrible article. Let's all rage together.
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by nucksandpucks on Dec 13, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
This was linked in the Oil recap too. Seems some love and hate it which is on par with an average Lambert article. Anything to distract from his own team where getting a single point in a game is worthy of high praise.
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Always has his hate-on for the Canucks. Dude’s an Albertan. His commentary is to be ignored. That being said, there is and has been a reasonable debate as to weather Nazzy is quite at the echelon of players who deserve number retirement, but I’m not interested in Lambo’s take on it or on anything. He’s in the ilk of Cox and Zona.
by Beantown Canuck on Dec 13, 2010 11:56 AM PST reply actions
I kind of thought being here 12 years, the teams’ leading scorer and all, he qualifies.
Especially when he was every bit the community guy that Linden is/was.
But yeah, I never read Ryan Lambert anyhow. He’s a tool. He is a Flames fan, and he is not that good as a writer anyhow.
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Enlightening. I’ll remember this.
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by Karina on Dec 13, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
this guys comment in the article has some good info:
Lambert, you know a little about everything, but nothing significant about anything.
These are the criteria :
- Becomes captain of a team that had not won a playoff game in 4 years. During the last three years, none other than Mr. Mark Messier was the captain. That experiment produced exactly ZERO playoff victories for the Vancouver Canucks.
- Naslund takes over from Messier and leads the team back to respectability. They go from 14,500-15,000/game to non-stop sellouts that continue to this day.
- The Canucks improve from 83 points in Messier’s last season to 90 to 94 to 104 to a NW division title under Naslund as captain.
- Nasllund wins the Pearson in 2003
- He is named to three straight First All-Star teams. The only other left-wingers in history to accomplish that feat? Try Lindsay, Hull, Robitaille and Ovechkin. Pretty decent company, eh?
- Markus Naslnd ends his career as the Canucks all-time leader in goals and points. Also, he was their longest serving captain (tied w/Smyl)
He followed the lead of King Clancy winner Trevor Linden in off-ice contributions. Generous with his time and money to a fault, Naslund’s example rubs off on two young Swedes in the Canucks system. Under Naslund’s tutelage, the Sedin Twins become front-line NHLers. When Daniel & Henrik are given new contracts @ 6.1 million per annum (or 500k less than Jay Bouwmeester makes Lambert) the twins immediately donate 1.5 million to the children’s hospital.
During the dead-puck era, Naslund scores 227 goals.
227 goals scored from 1998-2004. The Rocket Richard winners of the era (Bure, Selanne, Hejduk and Iginla) fall well short. Only Jarome manages more than 200 (scoring 218 goals). No one scores more than Naslund from the start of the 1998-99 season until the lockout. No one.
The Westcoast Express light up the league and provide tremendous entertainment on the ice. Naslund’s classy leadership and behaviour off the ice makes Canuck fans proud.
Yes, they choke in the playoffs (most notably 2003) however, they had Dan Cloutier in net. Put a Kirk Mclean or a King Richard Brodeur in there and things may have turned out a tad differently.
Hey, no one is claiming the guy is a HOFer (if so, they are delusional). However, jersey retirements are not only for HOFers. The bottomline is the #19 would look odd on any other Canuck. Further, did you see the ceremony? Did you? He is beloved here. Why do you care anyway? Three numbers in 40 years? It’s not like they will run out of numbers.
by SteveNux on Dec 13, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 12 recs
BOOM
That gets a rec. My favourite parts:
When Daniel & Henrik are given new contracts @ 6.1 million per annum (or 500k less than Jay Bouwmeester makes Lambert) the twins immediately donate 1.5 million to the children’s hospital.
One last fuck you to Clouts (fuck you Clouts):
Yes, they choke in the playoffs (most notably 2003) however, they had Dan Cloutier in net. Put a Kirk Mclean or a King Richard Brodeur in there and things may have turned out a tad differently.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Dec 13, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Nazzy likes Clouts, CC, why can’t you?
two sips from the cup of human kindness and I'm shitfaced, just laid to waste.
I cant, dude.
Ive tried and I cant. My girlfriend likes him…. I have nothing but disdain for that sieve.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Dec 13, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe you were expecting too much...
His role was a fourth line goalie. Good for about 5 – 10 minutes a game, made the odd good play, and was good at fighting.
by SteveNux on Dec 13, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
SteveNux
You get a rec today my friend.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Dec 13, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
When Daniel & Henrik are given new contracts @ 6.1 million per annum (or 500k less than Jay Bouwmeester makes Lambert) the twins immediately donate 1.5 million to the children’s hospital.
What does that have to do with Naslund? They followed his lead? C’mon that’s an assumption
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 13, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
And this by Lambert:
Because Naslund, in his 12 years wearing Vancouver silks, led them to the second round of the playoffs exactly twice. What a divine trip to the Promised Land. He broke more than a point a game four whole times. He mailed it in his last three seasons and Canucks fans pretty much hated him.
Solid right there. Admit it, he’s right. Or are you going to blame AV for making the floater play a 2-way game before he cried his way out of town?
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 13, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
i’m conflicted. we let smyl in, we let linden in, nazzy’s gotta be with those two. i dunno. i think i’m okay with it.
that said, rather than watch the ceremony, i watched The Mist. i kinda liked it.
by Passive Voice on Dec 13, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
haha! I’m not just throwing that question at you btw.
And if we go the Smyl and Linden get in then why shouldn’t Naslund then why aren’t we retiring Thomas Gradin’s number? Dennis Kearns? Mattias Ohlund (down the road)?
And I can watch The Mist over and over again.
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 13, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
Canuck fans didn't hate Naslund
we hated his contract compared to his production. But he signed it before the cap so it wasn’t his fault and it wasn’t Burke’s fault. Naslund may only have been a point a game 4 times but that’s as many as Smyl and Linden combined, and I am being generous with Linden on that one. And he was the first Canuck to win an MVP of any sort when he won the one that really matters to players. Not only that but other than Bure’s rookie of the year it was the only major trophy a Nuck had ever won until last year. He compares favorably to Smyl and Linden in every way except playoff success, even though Trevor failed with Naslund every time, and Nazzy never had a goalie.
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by Section 312 on Dec 13, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
Awesome. It keeps going back to Cloutier, which is somewhat justified of course. But the team couldn’t play defence to save their lives either.
You never cursed Naslund? Yes you did!
Canuck fans didn’t hate Naslund
we hated his contract compared to his production.
How do fans hate players? They don’t actually hate the guy himself, they hate his play. They hate what they are seeing on their TV set.
I also wonder how many people hated the fact that Naslund was captain. MANY. We’re Canadian hockey fans. We’re fickle.
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 13, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
It's not that they couldn't play
D. It’s that they weren’t coached to play D. It worked for Crow in Colorado cause he had Roy. It didn’t work here ultimately because of the goalie. That’s Clouts, Crow and Burke’s faults in different ways.
And I meant that we didn’t hate what Naslund was providing. We hated how much he was being paid to provide it. If he was making 2 million we would have been stoked with 55-60 points.
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by Section 312 on Dec 13, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
i think i might actually hate a few of the players :D
by Passive Voice on Dec 13, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
They don’t actually hate the guy himself, they hate his play.
I dunno, if I saw Bulis walking down the street i might be tempted to hit him with my car 5 or 6 times.
Nah, j/k i wouldnt do that.
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by Twitchy2010 on Dec 13, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
what he said
As well, even though there was this talk of the playing within of the system, and making him be a two way guy, those last 3 years MN was ;
06-32/47/79 -19.
07-24/36/60 +3
08-25/30/55 -7.
Not worth that 6 mil, the argument can be made. Though it looks like the last two years he really tried ( He was never a two way guy. Look at his career stats and he was usually an ugly minus player ) to play the system.
I cannot say I never cursed him either Sean. But the point is whether he is a rafter worthy player.
By all the stats and such listed that night, as well as the community involvement on a par with Saint Trevor, I am OK with it, and him.
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“Maybe I didn’t have as much fun playing last year as I used to, and that was always the reason I played and the reason I play now. There were a number of reasons for that. I wasn’t playing as well as I should have been and had in the past and that bothered me, and the style we played wasn’t something I enjoyed particularly.
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Boo fucking hoo. :)
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 13, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 13, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
So what is your point?
He was asked about his time here and was honest? What a douche.
Or cause he makes millions he should always be happy playing hockey no matter who is coaching and what style is being played? Money means he should be happy?
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by Section 312 on Dec 13, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
holy crap
I did not know that about the Sedins.
Amazing.
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by Karina on Dec 13, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Sedins
They are good people.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Dec 13, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Who really like Dan Cloutier, I am sure.
two sips from the cup of human kindness and I'm shitfaced, just laid to waste.
How dare
you spread such lies! You’ll burn for your heresy!
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Dec 13, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
Awesome/Rec'd
I rarely read the comments at Puck Daddy*, as they are just so generally inane (with the odd dash of brilliance thrown in – but they usually throw the great comments into a later post anyway). So thanks for throwing this up, it is a great recap of Naslund’s contributions over the years.
- The last time I commented at PD was in a response to a guy bashing some goalie called “Luango” for being overrated. I don’t know why I even bothered. Facepalm.
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by nucksandpucks on Dec 13, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
i think the last time i bothered commenting there was to argue with Wysh himself over (basically) whether NHL teams had to consider “fairness” in pricing their tickets. he seemed to think that, if buffalo were charging more than average for the Leafs games, they should charge less when FLA came to town, which I think is pretty fucking stupid.
by Passive Voice on Dec 13, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
A lot of people may not know
but during the lock out when the team wasn’t allowed to mandate community service Markus was the one who phoned all the players and made sure they were still going down to Canuck place and doing their community stuff. That’s as important to some Canuck fans as performance on the ice.
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by Section 312 on Dec 13, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
I agree. The organization has obviously made community service a very important part of having your number retired/honoured.
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I would argue with you on that point
I think in a lot of ways, it’s more important. Naslund (re)turned the Canucks into an institution in Vancouver, not just a hockey team who lost games and featured more drama in the locker room than a high school prom dance. The team is far more engrained into the fabric of our community than it has been in a very very long time, and I think that has a lot to do with Naslund.
I’m glad you mentioned this Section, it speaks volumes about Naslund.
here’s what pisses me off most: everyone’s now saying it’s ridiculous how we have now retired 3 jersey numbers over 40 seasons. hello? anyone care to take a look at our expansion cousin Buffalo? they joined the league in 1970 as well, and already have 6 numbers retired! hell, their last jersey retirement was 1996, which made it 6 numbers in 26 years for them!!! that’s almost quadruple our rate!
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Yeah they retired the entire French Connection – guess it was a package deal. If Buffalo is cool with six numbers than so am I, but I agree that it is ridiculous to criticize the Canucks for retiring 1 number/13.3 years and not mention the fact that the Sabres have retired 1 number/6.67 years.
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by nucksandpucks on Dec 13, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
I already chipped in my 2 cents on Sean’s post earlier, so I’m going to be obnoxious and quote myself – not because it was that brilliant a comment, but because I don’t really have anything much else to add at this point:
I saw that piece, but haven’t read it yet. But in my opinion it is up to teams to set their own policy for jersey retirements and leave it at that – fans of the team can bitch, but no one else can. If Columbus wants to retire Jamie Wright, the Flames want to honour Oli Jokinen, or the Sharks want to hang Johan Garpenlov’s number from the rafters, who the hell am I to say whether or not it should happen?
If Stan Smyl had his number retired today I guarantee most of the league would not understand why. Canucks fans do. And that’s all that matters.
I’ve since read Lambert’s post, and see that he mentions Smyl – but like I said, I don’t think any Canucks fan is too concerned about that. While it’s fair for Canucks Nation to debate the relative merits of Nazzy’s #19 going to the rafters, I don’t think it’s something that non-Canuckleheads should get too wound up about.
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oh god
please stop, Lambert. You’re only embarrassing yourself.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Dec 13, 2010 1:07 PM PST reply actions
The retired Sabres jerseys:
Tim Horton: Died in a car crash in his second year with the Sabres
Rick Martin: 9 full seasons with the Sabres, 7 playoff appearances, big time goal scorer
Gilbert Perreault: Just over 16 seasons as a Sabre. No-brainer.
Rene Robert: Played just over 7 seasons with the Sabres. The French Connection with Robert-Perreault-Martin was one of the best lines of all time.
Pat Lafontaine: 6 Injury-marred seasons with the Sabres. Head-scratcher
Danny Gare: Just over 7 seasons with Buffalo. Put up a lot of points. But another head-scratcher.
Bottom line: Another team that wasn’t run very well back in the day. Not a lot playoff history to be proud of. For my own personal criteria, I would only retire the French Connection jerseys.
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Pat LaFontaine
is no head scratcher if you ask me
When healthy, in my mind, he was without question the most dynamic US-born forward there has ever been. In his 6 injury-marred seasons he averaged 1.44 points per game, which if healthy would be 118 points per season. He was a huge fan favourite and brought electricity to an otherwise middling team. He holds the team record for points in a season with 148.
I would look to LaFontaine as a model for us and say Bure should without question be retired too— similar if slightly less production numbers, but the most dynamic player in team history, despite only 7 injury-marred seasons. Bure had the spectacular cup run as well, something that LaFontaine never had with the Sabres (he had made the finals as a rookie with Isle and never made it back I believe).
by Beantown Canuck on Dec 13, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, it becomes the difference between peoples’ criteria. I absolutely disagree with you.
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 13, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Buffalo Canuck fan here,
FWIW, LaFontaine was idolized by this city, was devoted to the community, had an MVP-caliber season, was team captain and a complete class act during his tenure as a Sabre. Completely justified, IMO.
Hey JPFins,
So, Dave Andreychuk and Tom Barrasso are chopped liver then?
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 13, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
I’d probably say no on Andreychuk, but if they decided to hang up his sweater, I’d respect that. He’s right there on the team scoring list, spent a ton of seasons with the team, carried himself well and was well-liked by the fans. To me, though, Sabres hockey in the 90s was LaFontaine first and Hasek second. Barrasso isn’t close. He’s now the third-best goalie in franchise history.
What I think Lambert misses in his thinly-veiled excuse to take pot-shots at the Canucks is that the player’s importance to the franchise and its fans is the paramount consideration. Even watching Naslund from a distance, I didn’t fully appreciate his connection with the Canucks and the Vancouver community until watching that ceremony the other night. That aspect is what tips the scales for LaFontaine, IMO, and distinguishes him from other good players on that team from that era.
I know what yer doing zandberg...
…you’re just setting us all up so that when Aaron Rome gets his jersey retired you can say ‘i told u the same thing about naslund!’. I know you’re evil mind…
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by Twitchy2010 on Dec 13, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's almost time to retire Zandberg ;)
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by Section 312 on Dec 13, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m gonna rec that, Section just to show I’m a good sport :)
the player’s importance to the franchise and its fans is the paramount consideration.
I just don’t like that. I think it tends to be a stats – success – length of service driven decision…or should be. I don’t like the “fans” part of it. Why should it be a popularity contest or a who does this and that much goodwill to the community? Save that for a humanitarian award, IMO. Something separate.
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 14, 2010 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
Fudge!
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 14, 2010 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
When you really think about it
retiring a jersey and hanging it in the rafters is entirely so your fans can look at it and remember the times that player wore the jersey. So it makes more sense to base that on the impact the guy had on and off the ice that just stats. Like I doubt anyone looks up at a jersey in the rafters and thinks, “man I remember that time he had 95 points and was plus 15 and lead the league in takeaways.” If that was how fans reacted to retired jerseys you may have a fair point. But since they don’t……
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by Section 312 on Dec 14, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Well now you are exaggerating :)
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by Sean Zandberg on Dec 14, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Me?
Never.
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by Section 312 on Dec 14, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
The “and” I used there is important. I don’t think popularity is sufficient; I’m certainly not here to make the case for Rob Ray, for example. The things you listed are ones I would consider towards a player’s importance to a franchise. So while LaFontaine did not have a lengthy service, his years were nonetheless very impactful for the reasons I mentioned before and his off-the-ice activities contributed to the reverence with which he’s held by the fans. I don’t like to speak in intangibles, when that reverence reaches a certain point – I think that becomes something to consider.
I guess my main point is that the people in the best position to judge these kinds of things are the ones closest to it. My own perception is that you’d be hard pressed to find many people involved with the Sabres who think LaFontaine’s sweater doesn’t belong up there.
(Also, note how easy it is to discuss the merits of jersey retirement without taking a crap on the team or player involved.)
by JPFinsCanes on Dec 14, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
No Hasek?
I have to assume that #39 will go out of commission for the Sabres at some point in the near future. Other than Perreault he is the guy I think of when I think of the Sabres. One of the greatest goalies ever and he had his prime years in Buffalo.
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by nucksandpucks on Dec 13, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
needs to happen. jesus, i can’t believe it hasn’t yet actually. he’s been outta the league for awhile now, naw?
by Passive Voice on Dec 13, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
OT: How about this for a goal song?
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Dec 13, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
One of my all time favorite movies
strangely, I never liked Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. Can’t understand why. I put in my vote for Fuckin in the Bushes.
Tell me would you kill to save a life?
Tell me would you kill to prove you're right?
Really?
But you liked Snatch? They are basically the same movie!
But I agree, fucking in the bushes is great. And the song too
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Did anyone like
RockNRolla? I thought it was OK but not as good as Snatch and Lock Stock. Thandie Newton always makes a movie enjoyable though.
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by Section 312 on Dec 13, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
hmm
Never seen it. Should I check it out?
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Well if you liked
the Snatch and Lock Stock’s of the world you will probably like it.
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by Section 312 on Dec 13, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
Loved all 3 (Lock Stock, RocknRolla, Snatch)
Guy Ritchie gangster movies are fucking great.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Dec 13, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
No love for Sherlock Holmes?
two sips from the cup of human kindness and I'm shitfaced, just laid to waste.
Wasn't a fan
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by Section 312 on Dec 14, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Big fan
of that too. Stoked for the sequel.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Dec 14, 2010 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
Can't wait
for the sequel
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Dec 14, 2010 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
That is
pretty awesome song choice. I was thinking of this one the other day.
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by Twitchy2010 on Dec 13, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
This would work too
well, no it wouldn’t, but it makes me chuckle.
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by Twitchy2010 on Dec 13, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
Lambert
The guy makes it his goal to intentionally try to piss off Canuck fans in almost every single article. Which is fine if you are a random lame Flames blogger. But if you are writing for a site that is supposed to be commenting on the NHL as a whole, it looks utterly ridiculous.
I can see arguments why you shouldn’t retire Naslund’s number. I think they are wrong, but nevertheless, I can see them. Regrettably for him, Lambert a) misses a number of those arguments, and b) as per his usual practice, simply tones his article in a way that yet again slags the Canucks and their fans.
Oh well. I’ve pretty much started to ignore him now. What’s the point in getting worked up about it? The next time Lambert says something objective about the Canucks will be the first.
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Oh boy, I can’t wait to hear his irrational article about Canada getting lucky when we win gold at the WJCs 
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Dec 13, 2010 2:58 PM PST reply actions
Another Golden Goal?
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Dec 13, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I would have loved to see his face when Sid scored that goal.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Dec 13, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Has anyone else ever noticed
there is a real lull on this site between about 3 and 4:30 pacific. It’s as if we all look at the clock and realize we need to get some work done or something.
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by Section 312 on Dec 13, 2010 4:17 PM PST reply actions
Hahaha
Disappointed no one is around to distract you?
I think it’s been a lot quieter the last little while because of all the people in exams. And I always find that most of the entertainment happens during that period – I tend to be busy from 4:30-7:30EST or so and whenever I come back there’s always a shit ton of comments
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I just found it amusing
the last few days it’s been really noticeable. It’s like we all waste time in the AM and then get to mid afternoon and realize that work is almost over and there is shit to do. I don’t have much to do ever. So I noticed.
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by Section 312 on Dec 13, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
It sucks for me because all morning I’m looking for distractions but no one’s awake yet
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3:00-4:30
is usually studying or christmas shopping time for me.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Dec 13, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
speaking of exams, I’M FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
just did my last one this afternoon :)
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Exams
A crappy part of being a grad student/TA – when exams are over your work begins. Just brought home a bag full o’ exams to mark over the holidays. Good times!
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by nucksandpucks on Dec 13, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
The History of Sport and Physical Activity in Canada. 200-level Phys Ed/Kin course.
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by nucksandpucks on Dec 13, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
[deep breath]……To be fair to Lambert….[holds nose]…..he did talk shit about the Flames’ retiring Mike Vernon’s number too.
Jesus, I need a shower.
That's the only part
where he has any credibility. Cause he is a Flames fan. He shouldn’t be talking about other teams and what jersey’s they retire.
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by Section 312 on Dec 13, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
Holy shit
Avs have scored two in the last two minutes of the game to go up 6-5. From Fleischmann and Duchene
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EN
7-5 AVs over chicago. Man can those young guys score
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I don't think
I’ve ever seen as many F bombs in one thread as there are at SCH right now
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Gamethreads at PPP
can get pretty hairy.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Dec 13, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Was watching that one online too. Not a lot of defense being played both ways. Seabrook tipped in the Flash goal, and then gave it away to him to assist on Duchesne’s.
Goaltending contro in Chitown again? Surely Turco has the upper hand now…until he has HIS next bad game… ;-)
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Some great stats
Turco- .600
Crawfor- .875
Anderson – .853
I don’t think Turco has the upper hand…he got pulled after 4 goals on 10 shots…
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Oh snap!
I only watched the 3rd.
Turco was in this one too?
Well then. Must be looking for a ledge over at SCH right now. I don’t know though. I like shadenfreude, and i should hate them for the way they did us the last two years, but its still a dangerous team. This one looked rough though.
Shadenfreude = Flames >Leafs>Hawks. I’m old enough there is still residual hatred for the Oil and Avs. And maybe an honorable mention for the Wild, just on 03 alone.
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Maybe they should bring back Huet. He couldn’t possibly be any worse than what they’ve got now. Of course they’d have to make cap space but Turco is just plain terrible now. With a defense as good as what they have, how is he playing that bad?
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Dec 13, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
I can talk Naslund trash, but hey, here’s a cool story from Hockeyexpressen.se:
The photographer Jeff Vinnick, who sometimes travel with the Canucks, last season told the story for me:
- – I went with the Canucks to New York last fall but was seriously ill and hospitalized, so I missed the game in Madison Square Garden, where I would see Markus play for the Rangers against his old teammates. The next day we got a big bouquet of flowers up to the sick room with best wishes for a speedy recovery from Markus and his family.
That’s class.
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