"We talked about puck management, and there's a player here who we expect to be solid at both ends of the rink," Vigneault said. "Most of the times where Mikael (Samuelsson) has got himself in trouble or the team in trouble it's exactly because of that - puck management."
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Hopefully this will piss Samuellson off. “Sweden and Vigneault can fuck themselves”
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Yep. FU Sweden…The Sequel…Eat it Syrup Sucker!
He could have thrown in a bunch more. Nice to see the coach going for the always effective “They don’t have to like me, they just have to play for me…” school. Especially well timed for the break. By the time the Devils get here, the guys should be a pack of ravening dogs ready to pounce.
Its worked for a lot of coaches. From Bowman to Keenan, Quinn to Francis ( the Cat had a pretty acid tongue, if I remember correctly )…use sparingly and you have “great success”.
Use too much and you are fired as often as Keenan as well.
"If I'd written the truth I knew for the past ten years, about 600 people—including me—would be rotting in prison cells from Rio to Seattle today. Absolute truth is a very rare and dangerous commodity in the context of professional journalism."
—Rolling Stone, February 15, 1973 Hunter S Thompson
YES SAMUELLSON IS SO AWFUL, I’D RATHER HAVE A PARAPLEGIC MIDGET SUFFERING FROM DEMENTIA THAN HIM ON MY TEAM
………I hope that works…
by Beantown Canuck on Oct 27, 2010 10:51 PM PDT reply actions
I think the hilarious thing about “little person” is that it’s the only politically correct term that is more condescending and seemingly more offensive than the term it was meant to replace.
(I think it was Louis CK who said that, or might have been Ricky Gervais, but it was some comedien)
by Beantown Canuck on Oct 28, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought
The PC term was vertically challenged?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I suffered through another episode of “Little People, Big World” recently and was informed by the star himself that “little person” is the accepted terminology.
But I agree with Bean that it seems more offensive.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
Lets just call them halflings. Fantasy awesome!
by SteveNux on Oct 28, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
well said! haha
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 28, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh I’m pretty sure it was Sarah Silverman
by Beantown Canuck on Oct 28, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Good call by AV
AV is going to fuel the fire. In a good way.
There are only ss many times you can do this
in the media before the players start to turn against you. Hope AV knows what he is doing.
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 11:16 PM PDT reply actions
Well noted. IF you use this too much, the team tunes you out, the media jumps on you and you’re screwed.
by Vancouverguy on Oct 27, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
The thing is he’s right. They are managing the puck poorly.
by Bobby Canuck on Oct 28, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Bingo!
If it wasn’t true, there would be more outrage about him saying what he did.
by sunshine and lollipops on Oct 28, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
No doubt he is right
I don’t think that matters that much to the players.
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by Section 312 on Oct 28, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Aake Gustafsson rule!
Just tell him he isn’t needed on the team. AV is so stupid.
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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 28, 2010 8:11 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
AV isn't making any friends
and he can’t keep doing that.
Hopefully this pisses of Son of Sam though.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 12:08 AM PDT reply actions
Meh
He is the coach…not their therapist.
Though I think the team has one of those too.
Coaches that are too positive without reality get tuned out as well. And the team probably knows he isn’t telling them anything they did not already know.
But yeah…don’t do it too often.
"If I'd written the truth I knew for the past ten years, about 600 people—including me—would be rotting in prison cells from Rio to Seattle today. Absolute truth is a very rare and dangerous commodity in the context of professional journalism."
—Rolling Stone, February 15, 1973 Hunter S Thompson
It's different when you call them out in the media though
telling them that in private is one thing. In the media is something else entirely. That is going to embarrass players and piss them off.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
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by Section 312 on Oct 28, 2010 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Which is why I say use sparingly.
And even when there was no internet, Twitter, or any of the current accroutrement…guys like the ones I mentioned above used the media to get their message out. Hell, the Habs had a son at HNIC in Dick Irwin right in the booth next door!
I imagine he has mentioned it in private already. you know? Time to take it too a. whole. ’nother. level.
"If I'd written the truth I knew for the past ten years, about 600 people—including me—would be rotting in prison cells from Rio to Seattle today. Absolute truth is a very rare and dangerous commodity in the context of professional journalism."
—Rolling Stone, February 15, 1973 Hunter S Thompson
OT: Wizards list updated. Lots of points achieved last game. Pompey Canuck keeps putting em up
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"Then I will see you in hell!'" - Han Solo
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I'm batting 1000!
of fail :(
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on the NM homepage.
Im moving on up!
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Public embarrassment and humiliation is a great way to go.
Go AV, enjoy while it lasts!
Los Angeles, CA
I'm sorry but
if that’s public embarassment and humiliation to you, you must have a mighty thin skin. I don’t think AV’s doing anything egregious here, and yes, if he did it all the time I’d wonder about his effectiveness. There is nothing wrong with calling out people to inspire better performance, and if publicly is the way to make it stick, then publicly is the way to do it. Hardly humiliation worthy words though.
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
Sammy’s name is all over the hockey media, I saw it in three articles so far, all quoting what AV said. When the coach singles you out, in front of the whole world, it must be pretty embarrassing, if you ask me.
It’s a different thing if you are a rookie, like Tambellini. In his case, nobody knows him outside a small circle, and rookies make mistakes all the time. They are supposed to.
But with Sammy, he is a veteran, and I am sure that his pride is hurting, at this moment.
Hopefully he responds positively, but if I was AV, I would make sure that I don’t mention his name in the media (other than in a positive manner), for a long long time.
I’m just sayin’.
Los Angeles, CA
Well
if you look at the whole thing, first of all a question was asked directly about Samuelsson, so the media was already getting on him. Secondly, AV’s comments are not very nasty; he says ’he’s working hard, but we expect…blah blah blah’. There is nothing but fact in that. Again, I disagree that there’s any public humiliation here. It’s AV stating what the media already knew anyways about a particular player and their performance this year so far.
In the end, I believe this will be good news for the Canucks either way; son of sam will pick his shit up, and that means everyone on his line and the fans will all benefit.
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
by Twitchy2010 on Oct 28, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
We will have to agree to disagree here. You are right that AV’s comments were not nasty, but that’s not the point. The point is that AV is implying that Sammy’s is personally responsible (along with a handful of other names) for the Canuck’s poor defensive performance. A team that has 22 names, his name was called out (along with two more).
As it just happened, yesterday I was participating in a group activity, and the moderator made a public comment at me. Later he denied it, and maintained that it was just a “general” comment. I can assure you that I was pretty pissed off, since I thought that he should have done that comment privately.
You don’t really know how it feels, until it happens to you personally.
Los Angeles, CA
Three
That’s how many tantrums a coach gets in his first year, adding one for each season he’s with the team (not to exceed three per year).
Call-outs are also limited to three/season, but the variable is how well the team is doing: the better the standings, the more call-outs the coach gets.
Quick question: any opinion on the captain of the Moose? I see they did the same thing Buffalo did: asked each player, then selected. Baumgartner seems to have accepted that he wasn’t going to be on the big team, and if he’s captain he’s probably not getting called up (thought I would have had him rather than Parent). Looks like a positive replacement for Keane, who replaced him earlier.
logical choice
I always liked Baumer.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Interesting fact about Baumgartner
He was selected tenth overall in the 1994 entry draft (by the Washington Capitals) and just three picks later, Mattias Ohlund was selected by the Canucks.
Even better
Check out how many first rounders from that year Vancouver had playing on the team at one time…
This week in the Sun and Province
Should be pretty ridiculous. When our team is not playing, the articles become more and more like a good Seinfeld episode…about nothing. AV was nice to the media by throwing them a bone, i.e. calling out a few players. Now they have something to write about for 2 or 3 days…what are they gonna write about when the “Sammy needs to pull up his socks” story gets old (already has)…
Hey, the media (and us) need to talk about SOMETHING during this time of inactivity. So, gossip is the best way, people demand to be entertained, or else they will stop reading the papers. ;)
Los Angeles, CA
I think we should go the same direction with that
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 28, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
They're going to start talking about
a Switch soon.
"Money drives you crazy, look at Marbury's handle" - Pusha T (The Clipse)
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
The room mate switch?
That’s an urban legend
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
In the Middle Ages
you could get strung up for even suggesting such a thing.
"Money drives you crazy, look at Marbury's handle" - Pusha T (The Clipse)
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner.
by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s interesting that everyone is talking about Sammy getting called out, but the Sedins got called out in that article too. I guess it’s because of the article title, but AV does also say that the Sedins and Tambellini had too many turnovers. And honestly, I don’t think he said anything wrong. He is a pretty blunt guy and he usually calls it like it sees it. I think part of what MG and AV look for in players is to be able to take the criticism they get and turn it around in their game. They shouldn’t have to pussyfoot around their players at all. I’m in agreement that AV can’t do this too often, and I don’t think he does. He just doesn’t patronize anyone.
by sunshine and lollipops on Oct 28, 2010 11:10 AM PDT reply actions
facts ^^
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
by Twitchy2010 on Oct 28, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Also
AV seems to me to be psychologically astute to the point he knows where and when to stop with the criticism and who to motivate with criticism. Truthfully, Sammy has seemed to me to be in a bit of a fog. Plus he shoots too often from absurd angles rather than pass at those times.
by Bobby Canuck on Oct 28, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I noticed so far
his shot isn’t as accurate or as hard as it used to be.
"Money drives you crazy, look at Marbury's handle" - Pusha T (The Clipse)
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner.
by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve noticed that too about him in regards to him shooting. It seems like as soon as he gets the puck in the offensive zone he lets it go, no matter where he is, or how many people are in front of him. I wonder if he noticed that time where he held on to the puck for a bit, THEN shot it resulted in an good play for Raymond to score…
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
yeah but Sammy shot from everywhere last season and it worked for him so I like his style
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"We live in a country where John Lennon takes eight bullets, Yoko Ono is walking right beside him and not one hits her. Explain that to me, God! Explain that to me!!" -Dennis Leary
by Sean Zandberg on Oct 28, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s part of the reason why he plays so well with the Sedins last season. He gets into gaps created by the twins’ cycle game, and just shoots whenever he has the puck. I’m not sure why it didn’t work for them this season.
by Vancouverguy on Oct 28, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
well, the Sammy-Sedins wasn’t exactly a smashing success last season either. He fit better on Line 2
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"Then I will see you in hell!'" - Han Solo
"We live in a country where John Lennon takes eight bullets, Yoko Ono is walking right beside him and not one hits her. Explain that to me, God! Explain that to me!!" -Dennis Leary
by Sean Zandberg on Oct 28, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes it was
He killed it with the Sedins during the playoffs didn’t he?
"Money drives you crazy, look at Marbury's handle" - Pusha T (The Clipse)
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner.
by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
is my memory that bad? They took Burrows off the top line in the playoffs?
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"Then I will see you in hell!'" - Han Solo
"We live in a country where John Lennon takes eight bullets, Yoko Ono is walking right beside him and not one hits her. Explain that to me, God! Explain that to me!!" -Dennis Leary
by Sean Zandberg on Oct 28, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah they did
and Son of Sam + Sedins tore Los Angeles to shreds.
"Money drives you crazy, look at Marbury's handle" - Pusha T (The Clipse)
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner.
by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
But then he
Dried up against Chicago
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Who
didn’t?
"Money drives you crazy, look at Marbury's handle" - Pusha T (The Clipse)
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner.
by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 30, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Bear in Mind
…Burrows was injured. They did experiment with switching SoS and Burr during the season, but there was a better distribution of scoring having Burrows with the Twins and Sammy with Kes and Raymond. I think that will be the best setup when Burr comes back.
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