Above is Luongo's post game interview (h/t Botchford). You gotta like how Luongo is handled the reporters today: with comedic gold. Before the game Lou joked: "We decided to give Schneids the night off tonight, so I got the tap on the shoulder and I'm ready to go."
Love it. For the record, that's 2 solid games in a row for Luongo. He was excellent in Chicago as well. BTW, a great post game article and attitude from Botchford here.
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So far, the way I count it, Lou has earned us at least 4 points this season. Would not have made it to OT and won last night, and would not have gotten points against LA and Chicago, without him. It’s no knock on CoSchneids, he has played very well in his two starts and I’ve been very impressed, but the fact is he has yet to have to fight to earn his team points this season, and I’m interested to see how he responds to such a situation. Let’s see CoSchneids win us a game with his team plays 30 min of fail in front of him the last half of the game.
by Beantown Canuck on Oct 27, 2010 7:19 AM PDT reply actions
you know it
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 27, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Truth
And if he does manage to win us a game with the team playing 30 mins of fail, I will proclaim we have ourselves some solid goaltending
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Bean speaks the truth
You can always count on a lawyer. *fist bump in solidarity.
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Uh...
Ima revert to shakespeare on that one.
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I think he could
but he’s still no luongo, and there is no way the roles should be reversed. That first goal last night I was like ‘ffs luongo it’s the second shot, 10 million bux says you gotta stop that!’ But by 5 saves later i was like ’that’s 10,000,000 dollar lu right there’. He was fanfuckingtastic last night, but i’m gonna stay with I think he shoulda got the first one. Not saying it wasn’t an outstanding shot, but that’s a lou stop. All the Lou haters are gonna need a bit of salt to go with the crow they’ll have to eat after this season I think.
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I don’t know who was gonna stop that first shot. That baby had eyes.
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that first goal was a money shot just under the bar.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 27, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
It was definitely an awesome shot, that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying 10 million Lu needs to get the odd one of those. This is no anti-lu comment, really…just saying those are the 10 million dollar saves. He made a few of those saves last night, just not that one. More than anything it was the fact that it was the second shot of the game. I know, I know, he can’t get em all, blah blah blah. If he has to miss one perfect shot, let it be when we’re up 3-0.
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I see your point.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 27, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
The best part is, we only need Schneids to be a solid backup this year and give the guys a chance. Seems like they really wanna play for him too (or are scared shitless the backup is in). As long as he works on improving his game and pushing to showcase himself as a possible number one, we are looking very solid between the pipes this year indeed.
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No no no no no.
I was trying to tell everyone who would listen, keep playing Schneids against opponents who can’t score anyways, and pad those stats. If we aren’t going to use him, might as well trade him when his value is at its peak. Who needs a No.1goalie?
Look what Dallas got for Mike Smith… I would love to get my hands on a proven top 6 guy, or sure-thing youngster waiting for his chance in the minors.
by Vancouverguy on Oct 27, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Guess I was vague. i didn’t mean he could be a number one here. That’s what I maent by showcasing. He will have to go in the next year or two. I just want him to keep improving to raise his value so we can get more.
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in that case…
yes yes yes yes yes.
*just going to wait for someone to step up to that one. *
by Vancouverguy on Oct 27, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
You can't
give those points directly to Lu, the team in front of him scored well also.
And don’t forget he also stunk it up for two games before these last two so what about those lost points?
Oh and his numbers so far still suck, below .500, barely over .900 SV% and almost 3 GAA.
He’s going to have to string together a lot more good games before he gets too much credit from me.
That being said, I believe he will, especially once October is done.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
Well, my standard is, “how would we fair in the game if we got decent goaltending”. As in, if in a game where the goalie stunk, or in a game when the goalie was excellent, what difference would it have been if the goalie had instead been slightly above average?
I’d say, If we got decent goaltending in the two games Schneids won, we still win those games. If we got decent goaltending in Lu’s two crap games (LA and Minny), I still think we lose them both in regulation. Whereas if we got only decent goaltending in the LA or Chicago shootout losses, or last night’s OT win, we lose in regulation.
So that’s why I’d say that Lu has, stats be damned, earned the Canucks points they didn’t deserve and meanwhile hasn’t lost the Canucks points they should have had. Meanwhile, though he has done everything right and this is in no way a knock on him, CoSchneids simply hasn’t been in a position where his play has either earned or cost the team points.
by Beantown Canuck on Oct 27, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
The one exception being the Anaheim game… he probably cost us a point, and potentially two, on that one.
by Beantown Canuck on Oct 27, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Which means I just completely contradicted my own argument. So I’ll amend it to say he has earned us 4 points whereas cost us 1 or 2. Which is a win in my books. A flawed win, but still a win.
by Beantown Canuck on Oct 27, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
you can’t just look at the final score, it depends when those goals were scored, team gets down/up, their style changes take more/less chances, get more/less chances, etc.
Big saves/bad goals at the right/wrong times can have more of an effect than just that tally.
Not saying Lu didn’t have a big part in those wins, or that he was solely to blame for the losses, it’s a team game, just that he needs to earn his big bucks more consistently.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
I agree
Especially on big save/bad goal timing. Lou has a history of doing both – letting in a bad goal at the wrong time (see Gold Medal game), but also can make huge saves at the right time (see last couple games of LA series)
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
The team fell apart in those Chicago losses
You can keep blaming Lou for those loses and he deserves some but we would have lost those series with any other goalie in the league in net.
by Canuckelhead on Oct 27, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I can
and I will, he plays like he’s paid to play and we could have won those series.
That’s what comes with being a supposed “superstar” goaltender, we didn’t supposedly build this team around a guy who should only win the games his team is supposed to, he is supposed to be a difference maker, and the only difference he made in most of those series was negative.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
huge save
Olympics, save on Demo to send Canada to the finals.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 27, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
True
I forgot about that. But he let in 1 or 2 soft ones in that game too
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
true
but if he doesn’t make that save and the save on the nieds giveaway Im posting women’s hockey gold medal gifs instead of golden goal gifs.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 27, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
And huge stop after that Niedermayer giveaway a minute before the golden goal!
by Beantown Canuck on Oct 27, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
yes that too
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 27, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
fucking niedermayer must have been thinking about his old rocking chair and a pipe full o’ tobacco at the time. Almost costed us the gold.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 27, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
almost
but Lu was up to the task.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 27, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
real talk
once again from Beantown.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 27, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Captain “Lou” would never have been able to joke with the media like that. This is for the better, and Hank is handling media just fine as usual, except that he still hasn’t scored yet. We’re still waiting, buddy.
Hey
If he keeps getting assists at this pace he’s still going to break 100 points!
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Yeah, man, no complaints whatsoever about what the Sedins have done so far this season. If they keep up what they’ve done so far for the rest of the season (and into the playoffs), then I am 100% satisfied with them.
by Beantown Canuck on Oct 27, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
If Hank puts up 100 points, I don’t care if he scores.
I simply can’t be complaining about the twins right now. I don’t know how anyone can.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
Hank putting up 100 assists = monster years by the D and Burrows/Dank and Kesler.
I could certainly live with that .
by Vancouverguy on Oct 27, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
They have been carrying the scoring for the team for the most part of the start of the season
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Hank seems to be shooting less this year than last.
by Bobby Canuck on Oct 27, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s because he likes to pass to baby brother. I really thought he would start taking shots more this year after he got some confidence in shooting, but it seems like he’s content to set up plays. I’m guessing when D start covering Daniel a little more when they think Henrik hasn’t been shooting much all season, that’s when he’ll start potting a few in, then they’ll start respecting/covering Hank a bit more.
by sunshine and lollipops on Oct 27, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
He still should be taking more shots. Even in the most prime scoring areas he prefers to dish it off to someone in an inferior position. But the Sedins bread and butter has always been short, quick passes across the crease or from behind the net.
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Yeah, I wish he would take more shots. Unfortunately, II just don’t think he will until he feels like he has to. It’s always been really frustrating to watch him try to force a pass even when he has a scoring opportunity.
by sunshine and lollipops on Oct 27, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
As most of us expected, dropping the captaincy is the best thing that could have happened for Lou. Great game last night.
I don’t care if Hank doesn’t score a goal all year. He keeps setting guys up who can put the puck in the net, we’re fine. He can be Hank Thornton for all I care. That tic-tac-goal last night was a thing of beauty.
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The one they missed
was just as pretty a play by him.
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Man, I was 2 seconds too late with my comment, and two of you beat me to it!
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You're just not
Quick on the uptake this morning. Better get another cup of coffee in before noon!
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actually
Lu did joke with the media after last year’s playoff loss. Then retard pundits were like “OMG LOOK AT THIS ASSHOLE HE DOESN’T TAKE HOCKEY SERIOUSLY”.
by Passive Voice on Oct 27, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 27, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
So, is it true that Schaeffer is done for the time being, since Burrows is back?
I feel kind of bad for the guy, he was pretty reliable and useful so far. But he is not French enough, in AV’s book.
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Burrows isn’t quite back yet. he can’t play until the day after the Jersey game.
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Last night was our 10th game of the season. I thought he could come back for the 11th game?
by sunshine and lollipops on Oct 27, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
the official date he can come back is November 2nd. we play Jersey on the 1st.
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I didn’t even notice Schaefer was playing until he scored that goal
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 27, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah me neither
Funny thing is I was going to say I hoped Schaef got dropped and then he scored.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 27, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
i believe the rule is a minimum of 10 games AND 30 days?
by Beantown Canuck on Oct 27, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe in the case of IR, it’s the latter of 10g / 30d. To discourage abuse by clubs.
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Correction
A player on IR can return after 7 games…but doesn’t come off the cap for 10 games / 21 days. So he has to wait until the 11th game to give the cap space Gillis was looking for.
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Schaefs has been really hit and miss (mostly miss) with me so far. In my book he is definitely going to be the odd man out.
But during the season injuries will happen and he’ll get chances. Just better make sure he keeps getting better or someone on the Moose is going to start shining and diminish his worth further.
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Oreskovich looks to be having a pretty decent start down there…
by Beantown Canuck on Oct 27, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
hey look
the Salmon Kings signed an ex-Capital.
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by Vancouverguy on Oct 27, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Lou always plays better
when he faces a lot of shots. It’s those 23 shot stinkers we have to worry about.
If you're implying we should let Lu face more shots....
Yaota will take issue with that.
by Vancouverguy on Oct 27, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Saw this on Sportscentre, Im loving this
Its great when Lu bring the lulz.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 27, 2010 11:29 AM PDT reply actions
In the still
On the video before you start it, Lou has the crazy eyes going on. Looks like he’s going to kill someone
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I made the comment to my girlfriend earlier
He looks like he doesn’t sleep at all.
And we’ve already established that all goalies are crazy. Especially the highly paid ones and the soccer ones.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 27, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I could not imagine
Being a keeper in soccer. Talk about flipping a coin most of the time
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Ive played a couple times
Its all about reading the shooter.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 27, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
When Lou is upset you’ll see those crazy “I’m gonna eat your kids” look more often.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 27, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
It gets crazier
with every goal.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 27, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Bigger Concern
Is playing Ryan Parent as much as we have. Last night was the best I’ve seen of him and he was… okay (for a number 6) but utterly unimpressive up until then. Can’t wait until we get three of our top four back, but for now I’ll take any one of them.
Well…last night was probably the worst game of the season for our current top two guys…The E brothers, but yeah.
Can’t wait for Hammer to be back…hopefully next game, and Ballard ( with one of those new fangled Messier helmets…hopefully )..soon after.
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Like Slava Duris?
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 27, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Like Willie Mitchell..
;-)
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Bieksa looked good last night though right?
I thought Bieksa looked good last night. He made a couple key defensive plays to get the puck out when the pressure was really on and he continues to play against teams top players.
I was thinking the same thing last night about 5 minutes into the second.
Then Bieksa tried to hold a puck in at the blue line and I heard the famous words “Bieksa caught out of position and the Avs break out on a 2 on 1…” After which he lost his composure and took a penalty (which was pretty weak).
To be fair Avs dominated the second half and there was a lot of suck across the board. Bieksa was decent.
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Was he 'decent'?
Or just ‘No more suck than anyone else’. Cuz if everyone else’s madd suck is his default position, or if everyone else plays bad and it makes him look status quo, then that’s not optimum.
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He's really not that bad
his mistakes are just more glaring cause everyone is looking for them and commenting on them. Seriously it’s getting old. Ehrhoff and Edler were fucking shit and we are still talking about Bieksa???
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I was more
commenting on kesrows saying ‘there was alot of suck across the board, and he looked decent’. I’m not really a bieksa fan or hater. I’ve said before and i’ll say it again: give him a change of scenery and he’ll probably have a better opportunity to reach his full potential as an offensive defenseman. I wouldn’t complain if he was traded, nor would I likely cheer. He does make an unusually high number of bad decisions for us many games, and I think he’s like the 5th guy on the chart in my opinion. If Alberts keeps improving as a stay at home guy, he and bieksa could make a really good pairing, but Bieksa’s always gonna pull jovo’s.
Ehrhoff was atrocious last night; he looked tired, lazy and out of position constantly. That shorthanded breakaway we let happen, did u see him casually skate back toward the play? Awful. Edler wasn’t a whole lot better.
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Yeah well I just think people
are kidding themselves if they think there is such thing as an offensive D man that doesn’t make the odd bad decision that leads to an odd man rush. If one does exist his name is Keith or some other elite D man. I think Canucks fans expect way, way too much of Bieksa and if they changed their perspective a little they would see what he does for the team is usually a net positive over the course of 60 minutes. Every one has bad games though and when Bieksa has one everyone goes off the deep end about him. He doesn’t get the same amount of praise when he does well though. Perception usually isn’t reality. And I just feel like it gets out of hand here sometimes. Especially after a game when other guys were much much worse.
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh Eddie and Hoffer were much worse
Ive made a point to not complain about Juice at all, I think he played well relatively. Will be glad when Ballard and Hammer come back though.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 27, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah well
obviously it will be better when our D is fully healthy.
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn’t bagging on Juice, although I’ve been indifferent about much of it. Still I leave him alone for the most part because he gets it enough. I still wanna see the return of the Bieksa we signed to a nice big raise. I cut him some slack cuz of some flukey injuries the last couple of years. Regardless, he still needs to step it up. And I think he did that last night.
I should probably break up that long ass paragraph. But at least I put a few periods in there.
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Yeah I wasn't
necessarily picking on you guys as much as the whole NM community. Or the majority of it.
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Or helps create offense
really doesn’t matter to me who ends up getting the points.
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
The only thing
Bieksuck creates is turnovers, PPs for the other team, and odd-man rushes against, oh and just chaos in general.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
Not the nuanced
and balanced analysis I have come to expect from you yoata.
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought it was close to being balanced. His negatives far outweigh his pro’s
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 27, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
"The only thing
Bieksa creates are turnovers, PPs for the other team and odd man rushes against" is far from balanced. That would be like me saying, “the only think Ehrhoff does is pass to the Sedins to get points and then look like a pylon the rest of the time.”
It’s not true. If you really watch Beiksa and take the time to notice everything he does there is more to his game than negatives.
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
That may be, but if the mistakes are costly and he’s not putting up points to counterbalance then we are talking a whole new set of values. He’s not the best person for that roster spot. We can do better.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 27, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Who?
How do we get this person? What do we do with Bieksa?
9 games. No points. Even player. Top of the list for QualComp. I will take that all year.
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Who cares who it comes from?
He is playing very strong opponents and isn’t a minus player. That’s pretty good for a D man is it not? And again just cause a guy isn’t getting points doesn’t mean he isn’t helping his team create chances. He might not be getting points right now but he is still doing a reasonable job for the team.
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
make up your mind, is he “high-risk/high-reward” or is he now supposedly Big-Willy’s replacement???
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
I never said he was either
find a quote on this thread where I called him “high risk/high reward”….where is it? I said there aren’t very many offensive defenseman who don’t make the odd bad decision. If they do exist they are the very cream of the crop. Bieksa is not that. He is a valuable contributor who gets unfairly cirticized by some people on this thread. He is a more offensive guy who right now is struggling to get points but is still facing the toughest quality of opponent of any D man on the team and is even. So the offense has dried up and he is still contributing and helping his team win.
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Semantics
you’ve said it before or something equal like excusing his bad play by calling him an “offensive dman”.
I’m not getting into another of your distractive “that’s not what I said” arguments, I think it’s pretty clear what’s being discussed here and what was said by who.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
It is clear
I talked about a guy getting unfairly criticized and you are unfairly criticizing him. He is a D man who takes risk at times to try to provide offense. The reward would be goals and points most of the time. I can agree with that. And he does have bad games and makes mistakes. Not excusing that in any way. When he is bad I am the first to admit it. Well not the first cause some of the people on this site are frothing at the mouth to criticize him but still you know what I mean. But when he is playing well he deserves praise like anyone else playing well. And right now he is providing a reward. Not in terms of points but in terms of strong defensive play. Top qual comp, no points but an even player. Right now that’s pretty good and lately he has been solid and we have won. If the points don’t come all season and he starts to falter in his own zone and becomes a liability then he will deserve what he is getting right now. But right now he doesn’t deserve the criticism he is getting.
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
BS
whenever somebody points out a Bieksafail you excuse it with “well you just notice it more because you’re looking for it”
(hint this is paraphrasing, no you probably didn’t say those exact words so please don’t start that again)
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
I think you are mistaken
when he makes an individual mistake I don’t excuse that mistake. I call him out for mistakes all the time. But I also point out when he makes a good play or when his “bad play” actually wasn’t that bad. And when people talk about his overall play and talk about him being a complete fail I point out that they are just looking for it. Those are two different situations. Individual plays I don’t excuse in any way. Overall play I don’t excuse either. But I will point out that some people seem to only pay attention to the bad things he does without providing a balanced take on his play.
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Like someone who might say
“The only thing…..Bieksuck creates is turnovers, PPs for the other team, and odd-man rushes against, oh and just chaos in general.”
The stats sure don’t back that up as a balanced take.
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
uh actually
the stats do back it up.
He leads the team by far in giveaways, 2nd D in PIMS, and has zero points, the only fulltime Dman without any.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
So what
his qual comp and Corsi Rel QOC don’t mean anything? His even rating playing against good competition doesn’t mean anything? Those stats are just as valid as the stats you mentioned. If you are going to tell me that you honestly believe that quote above is a balanced, fair opinion on Bieksa then we should just agree to disagree. Sound fair?
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
My understanding
of those somewhat dubious statistics, is that they are really only useful over the long term and much more for team evaluation than individuals.
Meanwhile giveaways, pims and points are pretty direct indicators of an individual’s performance.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
What about the fact
that Bieksa is third in hits, second in blocked shots, 3rd in takeaways and his giveaway to takeaway radio (3.3-1) is far better than Ehrhoff’s (6-1)? Pretty much middle of the back, in ice time as well, for a middle of the pack type D man.
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
middle of the pack
because those few stats say he is?
Sure if you ignore that he is the worst in those others I guess…
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
And you are still
ignoring or dismissing other stats where he is the leader. I guess……..
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by Section 312 on Oct 28, 2010 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
And Ehrhoff leads in giveaway
to takeaway ratio. Leads in terms of having the worst one. Just one takeaway all season from Ehrhoff. So you are willing to look past a stat where Ehrhoff is the worst and still evaluate him properly but not willing to do that for Bieksa. If even just one stat where Bieksa is the worst is enough to condemn him then surely the same must be true for Ehrhoff.
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by Section 312 on Oct 28, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
That's
a “stat” you just made up, bfd, nobody claims Erhoff is a great shutdown guy, but he is very productive, and more importantly takes good care of the puck and knows when to step up and when not to.
None of that can be said about Bieksa.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
Well I can't argue with that
yoata. I did make up that stat. Too bad it didn’t organically spring out of the ground like other stats.
And that was a joke.
“nobody claims Erhoff is a great shutdown guy, but he is very productive, and more importantly takes good care of the puck”
6 giveaways. Second on the team.
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by Section 312 on Oct 28, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
More REWARD
often comes with more risk.
Why don’t you make up a points/giveaways ratio now…
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
I would love to
but Bieksa’s would be infinity. That would blow your mind.
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by Section 312 on Oct 28, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Some people
are sick of the constant risk taking and nonchalant play, dumb penalties and giveaways.
Others seem to have endless patience for a veteran guy making far too much $ to be such a liability.
This is nothing new.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
None of that can be said about Bieksa.
I think what gets lost in this whole argument is that Bieksa is not terrible all the time. He does face other teams’ top lines. He does play well a lot of the time. IMO he just doesn’t have the intelligence of an Ehrhoff or Hamhuis though. Another thing I noticed about him is that he gets caught standing still A LOT and when he pinches, much of the time he does not have the ability to decipher WHEN to properlycommit to a pinch. I call it reckless. I call it low IQ, or inability to make a smart decision in certain situations.
In my opinion, the truth about Bieksa lies smack in the middle of yoata and Section’s perspectives
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 28, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he is an average
D man who isn’t as bad as some people make out.
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by Section 312 on Oct 28, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
i can agree with that
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 29, 2010 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Average yes
but in a way that is far too risky to be relied upon in big games, I just shudder when I think of this guy for 22 mins a game in the finals or semis.
Then again, to be fair, his play does seem to improve in the playoffs, which isn’t that surprising because to me his biggest problem has always been nonchalance, he just seems to be way too loose out there like he’s playing freakin pond hockey half the time, perhaps he just needs the extra pressure to keep him focused on doing things the right way.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
Sometimes I think
he thinks he is better than everyone else or something. Which is strange considering he was a late round pick who fought to get to the NHL.
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by Section 312 on Oct 30, 2010 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions
You're the one
that keeps excusing his mistakes by calling him “high-risk/high-reward”, I just keep wondering when the reward comes in…
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
Well if you can't see
how he is helping the team then what can I say? He isn’t getting the rewards in terms of points right now. I can’t argue against that. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t helping his team win games which is ultimately what a player is supposed to do.
Ehrhoff was shocking last night and had 2 points. So are points what we should be focusing on?
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Winning?
seems to me we’re 9th.
Shocking? talk about unbalanced, last night Erhoff was the definition of HR/HR, but most nights he’s just high-reward, meanwhile most nights Bieksuck is just high-risk.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
He is helping his team win games.
He was good last night. We won. He was good against Chicago and we got a point. He was good against Minny and we won. Lately he has been good and we have won.
Ehrhoff had a very bad game last night and only the 2 assists kept it from being perhaps the worst D man performance of the year. That’s what I saw anyway. Lots of posters here agree with that as we discussed above.
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Again
with your circular arguments.
Erhoff last night looked like Bieksa does most nights… oh minus the 2 points he scored of course…
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
a
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
How ’bout just a guy thats had to play against the other teams top players (according to the stats) most nights and has done a pretty good job of it?
Well said Section.
by Canuckelhead on Oct 27, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Not mine
You’re the only one that brings that up. He’s a defenseman period. He’s got an even +/-, even though he has no points to balance it and see’s time against the other teams top players. You obviously see him through your “brown color glasses” but if you took them off you’d see a pretty decent d-man doing a better then average job. A guy we don’t want to lose cause defensive depth is obviously valuable and we have no one on the farm that can come close to replacing him.
by Canuckelhead on Oct 27, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Wrong
YOU took issue with me questioning Section bringing it up actually, have another look.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
Did you read the rest?
Cause I’m not even sure what I’m looking up. Look, I’m not trying to say he’s the best defenseman on our team even. Everyone wants to point out how bad he is and i’m just trying to balance that by pointing out when he’s good. Like last night. If you have no interest in seeing that then it’s not you I’m trying to point it out to.
by Canuckelhead on Oct 27, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
but if you took them off you’d see a pretty decent d-man doing a better then average job. A guy we don’t want to lose cause defensive depth is obviously valuable and we have no one on the farm that can come close to replacing him.
So you really think the farm sucks then? A “pretty decent d-man doing a better then average job”? Way to sell him to me! I’m totally convinced I was wrong now!
heheh
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 27, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Decent D are hard to find.
The way he’s ragged on here you’d think he was a huge liability. I’m trying to say that’s not the case. In fact he’s not only not a liability he’s a better then average guy who can play in the top 4 comfortably. Maybe not top two but top four. Those players are hard to find and a lot of the teams in the league don’t have them.
by Canuckelhead on Oct 27, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
The thing is Sean, you could trade him to one of three four teams right now.
Montreal is still rumoured to want Juice. Anaheim would jump up and down and kiss Gillis’s hands for him, ( though, in the West sucks )
Columbus still has a need. Maybe Washington. Boston is looking for an offensive defenseman.
Juice gets the bad rap in Vancity. Right or wrong.
But he does have talent and some pretty mad skillz. I saw the one that Shorty called as “Bieksa caught up ice as the Avs come on the 2-1…”
But I also saw several plays at the blue line holding them in ( the first half the game especially ) A pinch with his skates holding the puck in against 2 guys, where he kicked it to his stick and got it to Hank I think..
He is the classic high risk/high reward defenseman. He gets guff for it because maybe the only skill he is lacking in is thinking the game as well as Keith and Doughty et al.
But his skills are what make him a easily traded player.
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shut it! stop playing with my emotions, man! It’s Bieksa’s fault (sobs). It’s Bieksa’s fault!
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 27, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
The Canucks problems at winning the Cup can clearly be traced to when they brought him up from Manitoba.
Of course it is Bieksa’s fault.
;-)
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I know its all about the points and all.
But the reward is the scoring chance. Whether the guy getting the shot on the blue line turnover does something with it usually does not include that D’man.
Bieksa will be a player we all go “aww shit…see? Thats what I meant” when and if he ever gets that 2 cent head to catch up with the skills.
We saw it his first big year…we know he can do it.
The maddening thing is getting back there.
Maybe it has to be with another team.
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I don't see him
creating near the scoring chances that Erhoff, Edler, and even Hamhuis do, let alone Salo, Ballard will probably be better that way as well.
Look I’m not saying he doesn’t have any offensive ability, that would be silly, I’m just saying his O has dried up but a lot of us are still seeing an awfully risky game from him most nights.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
Times like this
make me miss Luc Bourdon.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 27, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
What rest?
Section said he was offensive.
I said how so?
You took issue with that.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
Me?
I wish he was a smarter player.
I know he is offensive…but the weird thing is I think he has gotten better in his own end this year.
So he isn’t a total lost cause…yet.
Not sure on the “issues”…but I agree 100% with the way you described him just above.
He sure is a polarizing player though.
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I'm the one who originally brought Bieksa up
So I don’t know what you’re talking about and the point I was trying to make is that Bieksa is having a pretty solid season so far and maybe you should find somewhere else to point your hate cause it’s misdirected.
by Canuckelhead on Oct 27, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
You just like to fight
You never have any points based on anything but your stubborn opinion which you hold onto like a demented pitbull. So let me just say I get that you don’t like Bieksa, you don’t need to keep reiterating the same thing until you have something new to add.
by Canuckelhead on Oct 27, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
And the point
I am making is that he is not having a solid season, he is constantly taking risks, leads the team in giveaways, takes bad penalties, and isn’t doing any scoring to make up for any of it.
Those are not opinions, those are facts.
And whether you brought Bieksa up or not, you took issue with me saying Bieksa hadn’t been offensive so look in the mirror when you complain about liking to fight about opinions based on nothing.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
That's not really fair Canuckelhead or yoata
You never have any points based on anything but your stubborn opinion
about opinions based on nothing.
Those opinions seem to be based on Bieksa’a QualComp and Corsi Rel QOC which indicate he is facing the toughest competition of any of our D men yet is still an even player. And yoata is basing his on give aways and points. Those are both valid stats to base an opinion on. Seems to be we have got to the point where some stats point to him having a bad year and some to him playing well. Leading me to believe he is having a mediocre year. That’s probably a fair assessment. But he has been a little better of late. I think we can all agree on that.
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by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Group hug time
Also, GM chuckles, I respectfully request a line change to one with people who either A: Can disagree without arguing or B: have no opinions about anything. Or C: are hot chicks who like to flash
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uh...
before everyone shits their panties that was all jokes… ^^
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
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Except for part
C
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by Section 312 on Oct 28, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Well,
yeah true that… but i don’t expect that one to happen either :(
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We'll move you to defense
Buff style.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Heh
I’m about fat enough. Probably too short tho.
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by Twitchy2010 on Oct 28, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter
hip check everyone.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Dude...
i’m over forty…hip checks for me are like breathing for salo…i’m liable to end up in the infirmary.
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
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"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
by Twitchy2010 on Oct 28, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
You
should just retire. We don’t need a Chris Chelios.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
No… he would be the equivalent of a Rod Brind’amour. At least use a forward or something…
by Vancouverguy on Oct 29, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
a little mood lightener
at the expense of beantown’s profession (sorry):
When Grandma Goes To Court
Lawyers should never ask a Mississippi grandma a question if they aren’t prepared for the answer.
In a trial, a Southern small-town prosecuting attorney called his first witness, a grandmotherly, elderly woman to the stand.
He approached her and asked, ‘Mrs. Jones, do you know me?’
She responded, ‘Why, yes, I do know you Mr. Williams.
I’ve known you since you were a boy, and frankly, you’ve been a big disappointment to me.
You lie, you cheat on your wife, and you manipulate people and talk about them behind their backs.
You think you’re a big shot when you haven’t the brains to realize you’ll never amount to anything more than a two-bit paper pusher.
Yes, I know you.’
The lawyer was stunned Not knowing what else to do, he pointed across the room and asked, ‘Mrs. Jones, do you know the defense attorney?’
She again replied, ‘Why yes, I do.
I’ve known Mr. Bradley since he was a youngster, too.
He’s lazy, bigoted, and he has a drinking problem.
He can’t build a normal relationship with anyone, and his law practice is one of the worst in the entire state.
Not to mention he cheated on his wife with three different women.
One of them was your wife.
Yes, I know him.’
The defense attorney nearly died.
The judge asked both counselors to approach the bench and, in a very quiet voice, said,
‘If either of you idiots asks her if she knows me, I’ll send you both to the electric chair.’
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
by Twitchy2010 on Oct 28, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
lol
that was good joke.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough he has his argument
You’re right section. Not really fair of me to say. It’s just frustrating when you’re trying to make a point and rather then coming up with a counter point the person just says “Wrong” and goes on to argue about what I said when I said it. It gives the sense that the person isn’t actually interested in the discussion.
by Canuckelhead on Oct 28, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm interested
in why you took issue with me questioning Bieksa’s offense, since he clearly doesn’t have any, that is all.
I said “Wrong” because you said that I brought it up, which I didn’t, Section did.
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
I'll get
chairs and beer.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I never took issue with questioning his offense
All I was saying was he’s not a waste of space. In fact he has value and more then a lot of people give him credit for and your voice is the loudest of that bunch. So, what would you do? Release him? Send him to the pressbox?
by Canuckelhead on Oct 28, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Chuckles! Take me off the top line! I’m a D-man! Put me with Biesuk so I can show him how to play the position!
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Chuckles isn’t the Coach, he’s on the first line. Who gave him authority to run this operation? That’s it, I’m going to become the all-dreaded…dressing room cancer!
I will bitch and complain about every move, and I’ll party at the Roxy every night. SOB – the backup goaltender version.
by sunshine and lollipops on Oct 28, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I have as much say as Semi, who is the GM
and Marcness who is the coach. If Juice starts to fail we’ll move you to defense.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll be late for the team meeting tomorrow.
by sunshine and lollipops on Oct 28, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
SCRATCHED
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m going out for a night on the town, and I’m taking the rest of the first line with me!
by sunshine and lollipops on Oct 28, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck
That means yer all gonna rely on line 3 to score, but no one on our line will ever pass to anyone else…
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
You are all the opposite
of team players.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Twitchy, you should come out too then. Screw your linemates!
by sunshine and lollipops on Oct 28, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you seen my linemates?
A meth junkie hooker wouldn’t screw them for 1000 bux!
Nah, I wanna be on my game so I can score one for chuckles and prove that third line grinders can be worth the money. The defensive pairing will pass me the puck.
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
Cmon Torres
light it up.
"Money drives you crazy, look at Marbury's handle" - Pusha T (The Clipse)
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner.
by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah geez
I’ll be on time for the stupid team meeting.
by sunshine and lollipops on Oct 28, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Good
now Semi and I won’t have to scratch you.
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C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner.
by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Pfft. Just because you’re the highest paid player, doesn’t mean you can be involved in the coaching process. This isn’t the NBA you know.
by Vancouverguy on Oct 29, 2010 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
HOW DARE YOU
QUESTION MY AUTHOROTY
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 29, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Shouldn’t you be worrying about raising your trade value, and achieving your potential of a #1 goalie, while bringing salvation to a team like Ottawa or NYI.
by Vancouverguy on Oct 29, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m just having a hard time accepting the fact that a first line player is calling the shots. It doesn’t sit well with me.
by sunshine and lollipops on Oct 29, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Get
used to it!
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 29, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
CC, I have an idea
to resolve the issues with that 3rd line, have yoata move up to the 2nd line and move dan down.
on the 2nd line, i can keep yoata in check myself (as long as Shifty doesn’t freak out), and the 3rd line of Section-Dan-Twitchy will most likely be able to get along.
just an idea. everyone can feel free to shred it to bits.
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if not,
then move yoata to the 4th line, where the publishing crew has control. Yankee, Smo or WAACH would then have to move up to the 3rd.
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Give us
smo…then we can be 3 old grumpy guys who get along.
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
Hah. Dan gets along with everyone, he’s like Burrows. He fits on every line!
by Vancouverguy on Oct 29, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Now that makes me feel good. I shoot left though.
Don’t the Twins need a right hand shot? But Burr’s a lefty too.
I think yoata and I on a line could draw lots of penalties.
Just saying coach.
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—Rolling Stone, February 15, 1973 Hunter S Thompson
a 2nd line of you, me and yoata? that could be mighty interesting…..
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We’d make sure you were kept safe in the corners.
Sort of like Ronning with two behomeths (oops, too old) OK…Kane with Buf and Eager…
;-)
And you can’t deny that missy has a great set of hands. We’d just have to crash the net. Sounds good to me.
"If I'd written the truth I knew for the past ten years, about 600 people—including me—would be rotting in prison cells from Rio to Seattle today. Absolute truth is a very rare and dangerous commodity in the context of professional journalism."
—Rolling Stone, February 15, 1973 Hunter S Thompson
as long as you and yoata get along (there has been issues in the past), it could work.
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"Waist-down, Toews is huge!" TSN's Ray Ferraro
Thats just media overblown poppycock.
We work well on the ice…where it counts.
yoata has a good “head” for the game.
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Great ideas
Do I foresee a coup? Watch out Marcness!
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I smell an internal promotion
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Why isn’t Yankee on the top line? WTF? Where is the love, GM?
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 28, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Yankee
is a playoff hero, Asham style.
"Money drives you crazy, look at Marbury's handle" - Pusha T (The Clipse)
C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner.
by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 28, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey
That’s a coach decision
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Coach puts him in for the really big games. Where his special style is our secret weapon.
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