Canucks @ Ducks Preview
by Sean Zandberg on Oct 1, 2010 11:45 AM PDT
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CANUCKS' LINEUP: UPDATED (2:22 PM): As per Vancouver Sun: Expected Lines: Dank-Hank-Son of Sam, Raymond-Kesler-Torres, Schaefer-Hodgson-Hansen, Glass-Bolduc-Desbiens. On Defence: Ballard-Bieksa, Edler-Ehrhoff, Alberts-Rome. In Goal: Cory Schneider
Roster spot races are so tight that the Canucks said on Thursday that they would not announce any roster cuts until after the game against the Ducks. However, it was announced today that Sergei Shirokov (out of shape) and Yann Sauve (concussion) have been sent to the Manitoba Moose. They stored Shirokov in the luggage department. Disappointing for him to come to camp out of shape, but have you ever eaten Russian food? Damn!
A big story circulating over the past couple days is whether or not Shane O'Brien is going to be on the opening night roster
let alone the team as the Canucks are more than $3 million over the salary cap. The big question is: what more can Shane O'Brien and his $1.6 million salary bring to the table than what Andrew Alberts ($1.06 million) and Aaron Rome ($750,000) can bring. Alain Vigneault told the Vancouver Sun:
I'm a sucker for Aaron Rome, but O'Brien has grown on me over the past year. Alberts seems to be settling in. It's going to get mighty interesting in Canuckland over the weekend.
Speaking of salary cap crunching: The waiting game for Brendan Morrison's fate hinges on that as well. He may have earned a spot on the opening night roster with his stellar play, but the financial end of it may prevent him from doing so. Negotiations will commence ASAP, and the Canucks have until Wednesday to make a deal with him. Morrison understands the whole predicament, but is finding it very hard to be patient, having a family and all.
-Officially, Mikael Samuelsson will start the season on the Sedin Line.
-Roberto Luongo's groin feels great, but he's unsure if he will play tonight. I think he should skip it. Go through practice today, work it hard and then go home and have your wife massage it, Lou.
-As for the Ducks: Screw the Ducks. Let's just get through this final preseason game, remain healthy, hopefully see some more progress from Cody Hodgson and some of the other kids, and then then Canucks play their first regular season game against the Kings on October 9th.
-The Nucks Misconduct 3 Pool live draft begins at 6:00 PST tonight! We should be done by game time. Good luck to all involved. You're gonna need it.
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True to form, I’m autodrafting tonight. Can’t want to pick up Redden and that Shirok kid!
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If they keep Holycrapisuck and jettison O’Brien, I’m going to break someone’s neck in a fit of rage!
Well you had better start drinking then
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 1, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
someone needs
to take his zen pill…
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
Ohhhh
sorry… text based comprehension fail on my part.
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
I would do
much worse things that break someone’s neck if Hordi is saved and ANYONE else is gone.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 1, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I am intrigued
To see how he does there
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Yeah, I updated the post earlier, thanks Yankee
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 1, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, B-Mo isn’t dressing tonight. Anyway else surprised? What do you suppose that means?
by Beantown Canuck on Oct 1, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
He's
got a spot.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 1, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
heh
that would be an awesome line! I mean just for shits and giggles, not to actually win games.
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
anyone want to start making bets that Morrison does not sign here?
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it sure would be cool
but it’s seeming less possible…although AV’s comments sound like he’d like it to happen… i was thinking it was 70-30 a couple days ago, but it feels more like 50 50 now. It’s all cap math now.
"F#ck eco-anything, f#ck your tatoos. F#ck all you junkies and f#ck your short memories."
"You'll be playing in England the rest of your career" Alex Burrows
"When I shake it, I shake it all up, You probably think that my pants have the mumps. It's just my sugarlumps bump ba bump.They look so good, that's why I keep 'em in the front" FotC
And probably
How comfortable Mo is with waiting down to the wire
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Don't ask me why
But I started reading some of the comments to practice anger management. I laughed out loud at this one:
This ranking is WAY too high. Poor defense, decent forwards with the sisters and a bit above average goaltending. The coach is average at best, and the GM is out of touch just like in Calgary (making the goalie a captain?). I predict at best a 5 or 6th place finish in the west
I mean sure, comments saying the Nucks “haven’t proved they have it yet” are somewhat valid, but let’s be frank here: 5th or 6th AT BEST in the west?
.
.
HA HA
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Also love
The guy claiming the defense “drops off” after Hamhuis and Ballard.
Anyways, I’m done killing my brain cells reading those comments.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
They are
lulz.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 1, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder
If they are just being trolls, or if they actually believe these things. I hope it’s trolls, otherwise it’s somewhat sad. But still good for a laugh
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
They
are all just stupid.
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C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner.
by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 1, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I say
3-2 Canucks, CoHo GWG.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 1, 2010 2:18 PM PDT reply actions
4-3 Canucks, Son of Sam with the winner. Prepping for the regular season Wizards List
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Going to go
out on a limb and say this is the situation Hodg will shine in…
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
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Keep your stick on the ice. Seriously, keep it on the ice, or you'll take another hooking penalty and put the Canucks back on the kill!
heeheeheehee
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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 1, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Think he heads to Europe?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I reckon he’ll stick around for a little bit, see what happens in case of injuries or openings around the league. He sounded pretty adamant earlier about not going that route.
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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 1, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Not yet.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 1, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
what Yankee said
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 1, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Wellfed
getting the short end of the pepperoni stick.
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C Henrik Sedin #33: Vancouver Canucks Alternate Captain, 2010 Art Ross Trophy Winner and 2010 Hart Memorial Trophy Winner.
by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 1, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe he and Shirokrutov can go out for hotdogs.
Shove it in your addendum.
by kesrows on Oct 1, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
With
caramellized onions.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Oct 1, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Shirokrutov is a win. Rec from me!
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 1, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Canucks have acquired ownership of the Vancouver Millionaires trademarks for retro and $$$ purposes
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Where can we fit the damn whale in here?
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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 1, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Canucks now own he Vancouver Millionaires… that means that we are no longer a cup-less franchise!
Suck it Ottawa!
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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 1, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
As blatant a cash grab asi t is. I would not be able to contain myself from being alll over that shit
Shove it in your addendum.
It’s the only possible way to say “Vancouver” and “Stanley Cup” without phrasing it in the negative….although I’m sure someone will try.
Shove it in your addendum.
that only took 2 minutes, kesrows. See SteveNux comment above :)
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 1, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
i’ve already seen it on twitter this afternoon: “you can’t buy yourself a Cup”
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Keep your stick on the ice. Seriously, keep it on the ice, or you'll take another hooking penalty and put the Canucks back on the kill!
can anyone explain.....
I have been reading that in order to get the LTIR relief both Salo and Burrows need to be on the “opening day roster” and then put on LTIR. How do the Canucks handle that? Briefly expose some players to waivers and hope they don’t get picked up?
where in the hell is a capologist when you need him? I’m trying to find answers to your questions but reading CBA banter is making my head spin right now. I’m not reading that they have to be on the opening day roster though.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 1, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah that shit is confusing even for me, and clearly I’m better than all of you since I am a lawyer.
by Beantown Canuck on Oct 1, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
geez, and I was banking on you having the answers too yet.
Oh well, time for tha POOL!
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 1, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Woo!
Everybody get in the pool!
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
from what i understand, the term “roster” involves all players currently on the team, whether they’re playing, benchwarmers or press box.
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Keep your stick on the ice. Seriously, keep it on the ice, or you'll take another hooking penalty and put the Canucks back on the kill!
there’s long term exemption, pro-rating etc etc and yup, my mind is still spinning.
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by Sean Zandberg on Oct 1, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Missy is correct, the opening day roster is your 23 players, 12 Forwards, 6 D-men, 2 goalies and the 3 in the press box. It does not include IR or LTIR, now since Mr. Gillis said that they will start on the LTIR, and add to the fact that i’ve never heard anything about this in other years regarding off season injuries, I’m gonna have to say that they don’t have to be on the opening night roster.
What will happen, is they will be placed on LTIR and that will raise our cap limit from 59.4 M to 64.9 M which will cover the 62 M and some change that we have on our opening day roster. These players then have to stay on LTIR for 24 days and/or 10 games.
The real problem starts when they are healthy enough to come back and play as at that point the cap relief will disappear. Example, when Burrows comes back (assuming he’s coming back sooner), his 2 M cap relief will be gone and we will then have a new upper limit of 62.9. If our salary at that point is over that amount then some maneuvering will have to be done to get under. When Salo comes back the same thing happens and a lot more maneuvering will have to be done to now get below the 59.4 M cap.
People seem to think that their cap hit comes off the books when they are on LTIR, which is not the case, the team is just given their cap hit as relief.
It definitely gets a lot more in depth than what I just laid out and there is a lot of mumbo jumbo that I didn’t care to understand. This is basically the cookie cutter version.
by Major Major Major Major on Oct 1, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
What about
the fact that some teams end up with “extra cap” near the end of the year because they’ve had long term injuries?
How do you tell when blue cheese has gone bad?
It is my understanding that it doesn't work that way
the cap you can use when a player is on LTIR doesn’t accumulate. It’s basically a one day at a time thing. We are currently allowed to go over the cap by whatever Salo was making as long as he is on LTIR but as soon as he comes back we would have to get under the cap.
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by Section 312 on Oct 1, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe the “extra cap” your thinking of is when a team still has a player on LTIR near the end of the season and started the season under the cap, which would allow them to add a player up to the amount of the LTIR players cap hit. Since the Canucks are already starting the season over the cap and the only reason we are allowed to do this is becasue of LTIR relief, we will have no extra cap near the end of the season unless a lot of movement was done to get way below actual cap of 59.4 M.
Hypothetical: Imagine the Canucks starting this season with Burrows and Salo both on the team and Bieksa gone to allow us to be below the cap number of 59.4. Midway through the season, all of Salo’s bones that have previously been repaired shatter at the same time. He would then go on LTIR and the team would be allowed to add a player up to 3.5 M add into that the amount of daily allowance the team has saved up for being below the cap from day 1 to the injury. However, at the end of the season the team has to be below the 59.4 cap and even if Salo didn’t come back to play that year, he still counts against the cap at the end of the season.
by Major Major Major Major on Oct 1, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
As I understand it, there is no need for the team to expose anyone on waivers as Sean mentioned above.
They start on the LTIR. The way it works is you get the maximum relief if you are at or very near the limit. If you have to put a guy on IR, and you only spend 50 mil on salaries, you get zero relief.
Sorta Major4. They will start on the LTIR, and we re allowed to spend the amount we spend on salary on their replacements. The Cap, however, is a daily thing. You are still paying Salo and Burrows their bones on the LTIR.
So, when they come back, you need less “real Cap” space to bring them back.
Maybe not so much with Burrows, ( and who knows? Maybe Ryp’ is injured long enough to go on LTIR too! ). The big bonus would be with Salo. He is a 3.5 guy, but we only have to really clear about 1.75 by the time he comes back.
Gilman is supposed to be a wiz Capologist…so he should be on top of it. Hope so. Because the Canucks will be at or near the max all year.
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