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One of the interesting aspects about Henrik Sedin suddenly being thrust into Crosby and Ovechkin's spotlight is that you have a number of puckheads trying to figure out why the sudden rise after nine seasons.

It's not as easy as you may think.

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Take for instance the SI mention the other day about Hank being the magazine's mid-season player of the year. Farber suggested that, without Daniel around to finish the passes, Henrik essentially had to shoot more.  Said Farber:

While Henrik's goal production has been ascribed to a belated willingness to shoot, this is only fractionally correct. (He averaged 2.25 shots per game in the first four matches with Daniel, then 2.28 in the ensuing 18 and 1.90 after Daniel returned on Nov. 22.) He's simply been firing from better goal-scoring locations. "He took a big responsibility to show everyone he could play without me," says Daniel, who entered the season with 70 more goals than Henrik, and who hadn't been separated from his twin for more than a few games in their careers. "He also had to show himself, I think."

So picking his spots better is one idea.

Over at Hockey Or Die, Jonathan Willis has another take which I highly suggest you check out. In essence he argues that Hank's season isn't a breakout at all and nor is that a bad thing. Much of this revolves around his current shooting percentage (21.4%) in comparison with his career shooting percentage (13.2%).

Unlike Farber, Willis doesn't believe not having Daniel around is the reason why Hank's shooting percentage has jumped since - to start with - the shooting percentage can be unreliable: "it fluctuates seemingly at random, and it’s more likely a run of shots just going in then any fundamental shift in Henrik’s mentality." Hank's shooting percentage has fluctuated throughout his career (20.5% in 2001-02 then 9.9% the following year and, post lockout, he jumped up to 15.9% before dropping back to 7.5%). And those totals were while playing with Daniel (who himself has had shooting percentage ups and downs) so the lack of playing time together may not be the reason.

Also Willis poses a hypothetical that if you extrapolate out Hank's numbers this season without Daniel over an 82 game stretch, it looks like:

Without Daniel: 46 goals, 36 assists, 82 points, 0 +/-

With Daniel: 30 goals, 104 assists, 134 points, +57

So Hank's numbers are actually worse without Daniel (you can cite a number of things, from increased defensive responsibilities, more defensive zone starts, different line combinations that AV had to use, etc). As Willis suggests "Every single coach in the game will take a 30-goal scorer who is on the ice for 57 more goals for than against over a 46 goal-scorer who gives everything back the other way." Can't say I'd argue with that at all.

And as long as we're talking about Hank's shooting percentage, our resident in house stats God Gabe Desjardins also looked at it and has some not surprising, but still sour news: odds are Hank falls back to earth. After compiling data on other 20% shooters during 100-shot intervals over the last four seasons, Gabe concludes:

Now we know that anyone who could put away 20 shots out of 100 is a better-than-average shooter.  The distribution of all shooters, shown in red, is much less likely to generate a 20% shooting spree than the blue bar chart.  Indeed, the average shooter who went 20-for-100 had a 13.2% shooting percentage overall, exactly the same as Henrik Sedin's career shooting percentage.  They all had these great runs where they looked like they'd finally figured out how to be truly elite NHL scorers, and they all eventually went back to how they'd done in the past.  All evidence points to Henrik regressing to the talent level he established over his career.

Regardless of why, Willis says that it's not a breakthrough season for Hank simply because the twins were already elite players:

Both Sedins have been simply incredible players since the lockout -  Henrik’s tied for 10th in scoring over that time span, within 10 points of players like Jarome Iginla and Vincent Lecavalier, and ahead of higher-regarded players like Martin St. Louis, Eric Staal, Henrik Zetterberg, Marian Hossa and Rick Nash.   Also if interest: of the top-100 scorers since the lockout, exactly six have a better plus/minus than Henrik’s plus-79 rating (since going minus-2 as a rookie, Henrik’s never had a negative plus/minus).  This was already a player who should be recognized as one of the league’s best players.

This is very much in line with what Mirtle wrote prior to last year's playoffs. The Sedins "arrived" awhile ago.

Of course, most of us knew that in one way or the other. There will still be those who knock their lack of playoff experience and perhaps there is some lingering truth to that. Others still may knock their perceived lack of toughness, though I'd suggest those people aren't actually watching them play. But to argue they are anything short of spectacular players at this point is absurd. And to think Hank's production is coming during the first year of his new contract when he could just have easily mailed it in.

I love seeing what Hank is doing and will continue to look for some indicators to explain it. But it's equally possible many Canucks fans don't care. This team is, after-all, one that has never had a Hart Trophy winner in its history so just to have his name bantered about in consideration is a thrill (as too is waking up some of the Eastern media folks who don't see him on a regular basis).

And perhaps even better is that Daniel is back, Burrows is seemingly scoring at will and the three are now the most productive line in team history.

Now about that third line...

* Stick tap to Gabe for the inspirational title of this post.

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Nice article

I’ve sort of been waiting for Hank’s production to slow down for weeks now, and it just hasn’t. I still expect that he’ll slow down to get back to his normal 1point/game production. But even if that happens, he’ll still end up at ~103 points if he stays healthy for the remaining 32 games. Pretty amazing to see how far he’s come.

At the beginning of the season, I expected the twins to continue their 80 point reliable production. In the back of my mind, I hoped they might be able to put up 85 or 90 points, but a 100+ season is still beyond my wildest dreams. It’s also nice to see that this is happening AFTER signing 5 year contracts, showing this isn’t about $$ to them. I think they really want to win.

by Shabbadoo on Jan 22, 2010 12:36 PM PST reply actions  

I was thinking, at the start of the year, that the Sedins would get 70-80 points, in line with their norms, but lowered a bit cuz I thought we’d be giving more ice time to the other lines. Mind you, that was predicated on a fast start in the standings….

Anyway, glad to see Henrik and Daniel leave my predictions in the dust!

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by casual on Jan 22, 2010 12:40 PM PST reply actions  

Rec'd

Nice to see people outside the province wising up to the fact that this is what we knew all along. These guys are elite, period.

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by canucklehead666 on Jan 22, 2010 1:06 PM PST reply actions  

And they have blue blood, as well.

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by AttilaS on Jan 22, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome post, Mike. I predicted 80-85 point seasons for them. I did not know they had potential 100 point seasons in them. But their game has changed in a lot of ways. Their style of play has evolved. So much for chipping the puck into the corner 99% of the time and playing keep away. Now they score with Burrows on the rush, or they cycle away from the boards as well. They are almost completely unpredictable at times.

Is there a leveling off at some point this season for these guys? Hard to say. It sure helps having that speedy as hell line 2 to counteract with and take heat of the top line. So I like Hank’s chances of cracking 100 points.

by Sean Zandberg on Jan 22, 2010 2:19 PM PST reply actions  

If you head to Gabe’s page, you can vote on how many goals you think Hank will get this year.

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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 22, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I totally agree, something happened maybe last season or even maybe the season before that they started to change their style. Can’t quite put my finger on it, but suddenly you would see Hank trying to carry the puck into the offensive zone, and trying more things. I remember that the first season Luongo was here, they were also trying it starting out of the gate, but it didn’t really work, and then the team went into a defensive shell. You also bring up a good point that the development of Kesler as a great two-way forward, kinda a 1b, also helps.

The stats head bloggers (who I enjoy a lot) usually assume that after a few seasons in the league, a player is probably not going to develop any more, they’ve reached their peak, and then their scoring rates will stay kinda the same, peaks and valleys, but all of that noise washes out over a big enough N. I think Dank and Hank might have been slower to develop, and could peak at a later stage (like now). Maybe I’m just a homer.

We should also remember that, out of the top 20 or so scoring forwards in the league, only Patrick Kane averages less time on the ice:
http://tsn.ca/nhl/statistics/?show=skaters&sortcol=8
Check out how much more ice time most of the top ten are getting. Esp. OV, Crosby, Gaborik are all averaging 2+ minutes more every game. Hank’s doing this with less time, which is remarkable. I don’t have any doubts that OV is the most talented hockey player going right now, but our own Hank is putting on a show.

Last link: Gabe’s behind the net, organized by scoring rates at 5v5:
http://www.behindthenet.ca/2009/new_5_on_5.php?sort=23&section=goals&mingp=30&mintoi=10&team=&pos=
Hank and Dank right behind OV. These aren’t just powerplay specialists!

Btw, great post!

by antro on Jan 22, 2010 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Before last season I remember hearing that the Sedins had been working on advanced strength and speed excersizes and the hope was that they would improve on the previous years. The improvement showed last year and this year it’s gone to a whole higher level. They continue to improve, not only in those areas but in experience, confidence and wisdom. Raymond’s on the same upward trajectory. His speed is such that he dominates offensively, defensively and in the corners as well. I think that improving vastly in the PK and defensively the second half of last year gave him the confidence and will to improve on offense. Don Taylor described his play after the Oilers’ game as “breathtaking.” These three are only gonna get better. And then there’s Burr and Superman, er, I meant Ehrhoff……

by Bobby Canuck on Jan 22, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

^^ What everyone said above me.

Now about that third line…

That made me ugly laugh. In the library. Thank you, Yankee.

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by eightyseven on Jan 22, 2010 3:20 PM PST reply actions  

Demo is going to take several games to get going. If he was up to snuff I think we’d be seeing a bit more magic out of line 3.
How’s that for the “no-shit sherlock” comment of the day?

by Sean Zandberg on Jan 22, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

There’s still time to top that one, but that’s a contender :P

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by eightyseven on Jan 22, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice article.

Like everyone else, I pegged them for 80 points and would never expect 100. Would really love to see Hank break that barrier.

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by cyxj on Jan 22, 2010 3:54 PM PST reply actions  

Really enjoyed reading that article, thanks Yankee. I’ve been following this site for a good while now but haven’t bothered to make an account until now.

Now we know that anyone who could put away 20 shots out of 100 is a better-than-average shooter. The distribution of all shooters, shown in red, is much less likely to generate a 20% shooting spree than the blue bar chart. Indeed, the average shooter who went 20-for-100 had a 13.2% shooting percentage overall, exactly the same as Henrik Sedin’s career shooting percentage. They all had these great runs where they looked like they’d finally figured out how to be truly elite NHL scorers, and they all eventually went back to how they’d done in the past. All evidence points to Henrik regressing to the talent level he established over his career.

I kind of disagree with this – when Daniel was injured, Henrik was scoring goals at an incredible rate for a guy who’s always been known as a passer, but since Daniel’s return, Henrik’s goal-scoring pace has slowed to 30 goals (over a full season), which isn’t all that unrealistic for him. Henrik’s been steadily scoring more goals every season, so to see him hit 30 goals this season isn’t a huge surprise to me. But that’s not really my point – since Daniel’s return, Henrik has been averaging well over an assist a game, and had Daniel never been injured, we could very well have seen Henrik hit 100 assists, a mark nobody’s come close to since Thornton in 05-06. So to think that a high shooting percentage should translate into an imminent slowdown in Henrik’s production doesn’t really make much sense to me.

Honestly, I think this is a breakout season for Henrik. When the Sedins almost hit free agency, the general consensus on the Twins from fans and media alike was that they were reliable, PPG players that would probably peak at 85-90 points in their careers, which is why there was such a demand to let the Sedins walk in July. And yes, maybe the Sedins were showing some signs of taking their game to the next level prior to this season, but nobody really caught on to that until now – and I can guarantee that anyone who honestly thought the Sedins were capable of 130+ point paces (Henrik’s pace with Daniel in the lineup) are lying through their teeth. The sudden, unexpected jump in their production this season is the very definition of a breakout season.

That being said, I’m thrilled to see the Sedins (and Burrows) silencing critics with their superb play this season – it simply astounds me how they’ve truly taken their game to the next level. Now all they really need to do is prove their worth during the playoffs by taking the Canucks past the second round – then people will be talking about the Sedins in the same sentence as Ovechkin and Crosby when it comes to star players.

by Canuckk on Jan 22, 2010 4:41 PM PST reply actions  

Welcome Canuckk, glad you’re aboard.

As I see it, what Gabe is basically saying is that Hank can’t sustain a shooting percentage of 21.4%. In the comments on his site he added this:

Alex Tanguay is the highest-percentage shooter (a combination of how he plays and how much PP time his coaches give him) and he doesn’t even hit 20%.

So strictly from a statistical standpoint, Hank’s shooting % is an aberration in comparison with the norm. He may keep scoring at the pace he’s on, but his shooting percentage is likely to decrease if not plummet for a variety of factors (chief among them is opposition defensive schemes tighten up though even that is easier said than done).

But, regardless of what Hank does, his first half is more proof the Canucks (silently) have a unique, special duo on their hands for the next several seasons.

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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 22, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

The twins have been potting more of the tap-in goals lately, of the “wow what a pass!” variety. As long as they can do that, their shooting % will remain high. It’s like a basketball player who gets a lotta dunks; his shooting % is high cuz he sets himself up for high % shots.

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by casual on Jan 22, 2010 5:51 PM PST reply actions  

IMO, it’s the physically smarter, efficient way to play.

Taking tons of shots from low percentage areas takes up a lot more energy than passing to open up high percentage chances. In addition, shooting from low percentage areas usually results in no goal for and loss of puck possession as goalies usually smother it or rebound it to teammates.

Of course, there’s other peripheral benefits such as tiring out their defenders, drawing penalties, creating room for teammates, killing the clock, etc.

Bottom line, I’m very glad we have them for 4.5 more years. :)

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by cyxj on Jan 22, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Taking tons of shots from low percentage areas takes up a lot more energy than passing to open up high percentage chances.

That’s something that should be drummed into some of the defencemen on the point. No shot whatsoever and still they shoot and often it’s blocked and that happens every game. Much of the time the opposing teams’ defencemen appear to be playing smarter than the Canucks’ D in those situations.

by Bobby Canuck on Jan 22, 2010 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Shot-blocking today is the best I’ve ever seen it.

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by casual on Jan 22, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t dispute that. But just look at how close opposing dmen are to the point shooter—there’s no way not to block those shots, and also look at some of those impossible angles these dmen shoot from and how often do they haphazardly shoot when there’s noone in front of the goalie. Play smarter is all I’m saying, or get some coaches in who can smarten up these guys’ games.

by Bobby Canuck on Jan 22, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with everything you’ve said. If a shot isn’t there, cycle it instead.

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by casual on Jan 22, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Samuelsson is guilty of this. He loves to shoot which isn’t necessarily a bad thing but he tends to do it with no traffic and nobody to pounce on a possible rebound or anyone to tip it in. It’s usually just gloved by the goalie and play is stopped. Having said that, there are times where he has scored with no traffic. He’s playing a lot better now though so it’s not really noticeable now but it was very noticeable during his little slump.

by marcness52 on Jan 22, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Involving the D-men

I’ve actually welcomed the strategy of passing back to the defense. Teams have figured out how dangerous the Sedins are on the low cycle, so that is where they defend. And the Van coaches have obviously seen this too, so the old strategy of passing back to the point has been employed, with great success I think.

Of course, you still need a smart play from the point, and not just a low percentage shot that whistles wide or directly into a shot block.

by sirrated on Jan 23, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Teams are focusing on the Sedins down low, often by clogging up the middle, so the twins can’t get in close and so point shots can’t get thru directly.

The Bernier goal from Ehrhoff earlier this year was, I thought, the perfect strategy for countering that; a slap-pass+tip-in disguised as a shot. Lately, that seems to leave more space around the face-off dot and down from there towards the goal line. Demitra seemed last year to have picked up the slap-pass mentality from the twins; maybe he could set Bernier up for a few that way.

Speaking if which, Bernier+C.Schneider for Backes? Backes goes UFA at the end of next year, so if he’s gonna leave StL, they won;t get a higher trade value from him than they will today, plus getting a goalie is key to any franchise. It might not be so far-fetched after all …. but where does that leave Hodgson and Shcorder next year? Backes can also play wing; move him there?

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by casual on Jan 23, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Don’t you think Gillis should concern himself with re-signing guys like Kesler, Raymond, Mitchell first?

by Sean Zandberg on Jan 23, 2010 12:42 PM PST reply actions  

You talking to me, Sean?

If so, the answer is yes. But given the recent talk about Backes, I started to wonder what that would do to the lineup in general, who would have to move to make room for him.

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by casual on Jan 23, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

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Forwards

Defense

Points

H. Sedin (52)

Edler (34)

Goals

D. Sedin (20)

Edler (7)

Assists

H. Sedin (41)

Edler (27)

Shots

D. Sedin (159)

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Hits

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Edler (97)

Blocked Shots

Kesler (38)

Edler (72)

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H. Sedin (14.45)

Bieksa (17.75)

PP TOI/G

D. Sedin (3.56)

Edler (3.60)

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Malhotra (2.63)

Hamhuis (3.08)

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Burrows (0.975)

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