Gillis Starts His Shopping Early?
by Yankee Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 12:50 PM PST
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From Matt Sekeres at the Globe:
Officially, the NHL trade deadline is March 3, but in reality, it’s Feb. 15. That’s the day the league shuts down for the 2010 Olympics. League play resumes on March 1.
Something lured Vancouver’s brass to Montreal to see a game between two teams below the playoff line...
Sekeres tables two theories:
1. Gillis and Co. are taking another look at David Backes who, if the Blues sputter out of the playoff picture, could be a cheap and more effective third line pivot than Pudge.
2. Gillis and Co. are targeting Carlo Colaiacovo and/or Darryl Sydor who are both cheap defensive options in case of injury or to ultimately replace the hole Matty Schneider left.
I guess the Montreal options - Tomas Plekanec, Andrei Kostitsyn or Georges Laraque (just kidding) - weren't on the agenda.
We haven't seen MG terribly aggressive when it comes to trades (basically the Bernier and Ehrhoff trades are under his belt and he stood pat at last year's deadline) but I'll throw my weight behind bolstering the third line, be it in the form of Backes or anyone else.
As for the defense, I'd steer clear of Sydor-esque answers and focus on younger replacements. I'm sure Ossi would answer wherever he is (oh, there he is).
What say you?
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I would love it if it was Backes.
The convo between him and Kes, Burr’ at the first practice could be hilarious…
“You guys don’t like my wife huh?”
No, I said before, Kelly is a great gal!"
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
They’ll make nice during the Olympics. Maybe…
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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
Plekanec is the best of the lot, but how do you move Kesler back down to #3C? Colaiacovo is Salo the younger, only not as good defensively. I’m really not sure what he could want outside of Backes.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jan 21, 2010 12:58 PM PST reply actions
I think Kes would stay with Raymond on the second line. Backes would center any combination of the following: Hansen, Bernier, Grabner, Demitra, Sammy or Glass.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
“Only whores and hockey players live in St. Louis.”
“My wife is from there!”
“Really, what position does she play?”
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
by casual on Jan 21, 2010 1:30 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
We don’t need more D-men the way we need more production from our 3rd line. Plus, Demo will likely be gone after this year; Backes would make aq good addition for this year and beyond as long as his price is right.
What are we offering StL in return, tho? Bernier? Demo? Hansen? Cory Schneider? I guess it really depends upon how desperate StL is to unload the guy rather watch him go UFA in a coupla months where they’d nothing in return.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
I think the article actually says Backes has one more year left in his contract after this season. So he definitely not becoming UFA in a couple of months.
They need a young goalie that can become a #1. Those are Cap busters, and sought after for that reason as much as having a good goaltender.
They have Jake Allen, but he shit the bed pretty bad at the WJT.. and Mason and Conky are both older.
Schneider would have some great value there. Throw in a Bernier to make the salaries work. Add a prospect, and get Backes and whomever ( D’ or O’, whichever MG is thinking )…and you move the goaltender asset for something tangible.
The question, I guess, is who else do we want from St. Loo…?
BTW cas’…rec’d!
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
Dunno if this was caught, but,
Jason Botchford seems to think Montreal was the team the Canucks were looking at.
8 defensemen means they have a glut of what the Canucks currently need.
http://www.trevorpresiloski.com
I would like Markov, please. Although, he is expensive. And he has injury problems. Plekanec doesn’t make sense for us. He’s great, but not the skillset we are missing. Though I do have him in my pool.
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
i hope that's not it
i don’t want any of those guys (other than markov but we’re not getting him) and if we do pick up a dman what does that say about willie mitchell’s status? if he’s only out a couple games i’m fine slogging through with what we have until he gets back. canucks could use a decent power forward, but i don’t think the habs have any of those.
A trade for a d-man, if Mitchell and Bieksa will both be back for the playoffs, is not nearly the priority that a better-scoring 3rd line would be. Demo might also help there, but maybe Gillis expects him to leave at the end of the year, doesn;t wanna do this again next year, and (w/NTC permission from the player) is shopping him around for a Backes-type player?
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Jesus, you see some of the comments? One guy wants Laraques so our fourth line can be Hordichuk and Rypien.
Puke. Isn’t this team shorthanded enough?!
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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
I hope Backes is the target. We need a big mean centreman for L3.
C. Schneider, Wellwood and Bernier for Backes, some prospect(s) and/or draft pick(s), I’d do it.
I don’t want anything from the Habs (that they’ll give up) other than maybe O’Byrne for defensive depth? He’s a B.C. boy, btw.
Poutine & Meatballs
You think Bernier, Schnieder and Wellwood would be enough to net Backes? Call me crazy but a prospect and two guys who suck doesn’t equal a guy of Backes’ potential. The guy scored 30 last year. And then to think we would get picks on top of Backes…..classic case or Rosterbation.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
OH!OH!!!!...ahhhh
Rosterbation is fun though.
Here’s another one to get the “blood flowing”.
How about Schneider, Hansen and a second for Backes and a good young D man like say…Junland?
Unless our defense is more hurt than they are letting on with Willie and a concussion. Then maybe sweeten it a little and get Sydor or maybe… Polak?
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
If only the other GMs in the league were idiots eh?
How about we don’t trade Hansen? Schnieder and Sauve plus a 2nd rounder might get Backes and 3rd back.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
i want to play
how about schneider, schneider, wellwood, and demo for backes, oshie and a bag of pucks. you have to end all of these with “the salaries work out”, even if they don’t.
Chuck in Bernier and maybe we can get MacDonald back too. The salaries work out…yup yup.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
I only named guys we could/should(?) trade, not guys who make sense for the Blues haha. And we have to trade salary these days so Bernier ($2M) is a good fit here (Backes’ cap hit is $2.5M).
All 3 of them plus a pick for Backes seems more “fair”? He’s only on pace to score like 15-20 goals this year so I think the 31 last year was a bit of overachieving. I don’t watch the Blues so take that with a grain of salt. He seems to be what we want Bernier to be, though.
But really, I can see the Blues demanding more (from any team) because this type of player isn’t easy to find.
Poutine & Meatballs
Well, that is what makes Rosterbation the latest fun party game.
Relative worth. Especially when its one team’s fans chatting with the other.
But Backes has been good and bad for the Blues. He scored 30 or so last year, but has 10 goals and 27 points to date this year.
Maybe they target a couple of our young guys.
maybe a scout with Davidson has a severe hard on for a player like Shark, and sees Shirokov as the answer. Maybe a vice president has been watching Hansen since he was first drafted, and thinks now is the time to “steal” that player.
OK…another…Backes and Sydor for Schneider times 2, Hansen and a second. We’ll throw in a prosepect if you insist, but then you have to take Bernier instead of Hansen…
What fun!
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
Try it from the other side. If you were going to trade a guy who is still young, under team control for one more year and has shown he is capable of being a 30 goal power forward…..what would you want in return for him.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Better yet
Why trade him in the first place?
If St.Lou is looking to dump, I’d bet on Kariya or Tkachuk being the bait.
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
you cannot second guess Rosterbation fantasies...
… based on reality.
Takes all the fun out of it.
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
Reality
St.Lou is only 6 points out of a playoff spot…
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
Yup. The Blues are far from out of it. Don’t see them getting rid of Backes either.
But if I was going to rosterbate, I’d say Cory Schneider and Wellwood for Backes
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 23, 2010 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
IF???
Come on Sean…we all know you are a chronic Rosterbator!!
Besides…you can’t put “reality” into your rosterbation fantasies….Where the Blues are is not important.
Only the players we want!!
;-)
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
i can rosterbate too! shirokov, grabner, bernier, wellwood, 2nd round for kovalchuk
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
And a signed Mogilny jersey.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
As long as you KNOW that he will resign. Change Hansen for Shirokov, and play him with his fellow Russian.
Good stuff Beantown…“the Force is strong in this one…”
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
i would give away all those things even if he wouldn’t be guaranteed to re-sign. but i would try like hell.
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Consider the lineup:
1. Sedins-Burr
2A Demo-Kovy-Sammy
2B MayRay-Kes-Hansen
4 Ryp-Ryjo-Glass
Extra: Hordi
I think Demo-Kovy could really click once Demo gets his legs back, ala Demo-Gaborik
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
do not want Kovalev.
"Hey, why dont you give your balls a tug you fucking pussies". - Alexandre Burrows #14
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 22, 2010 2:04 AM PST up reply actions
why would someone take M Schneider?
he’s in the minors and as soon as you try to call him up, someone can take him for half salary. He’s more a liability on a trade sheet than an asset for the Canucks.
I have to admit, however, that I’m not 100% sure how waiver rules apply to players whose rights are traded while they’re already in the minors.
I think if we trade him, a team can immediately put him on their NHL roster without waivers. Not certain though.
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
C. Schneider Granber and a 1st for Kovie. But play him on a line of MayRay- Kes- Kovie the Cold War line!
Ugh….imagine that line behind the Sedins…yikes.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
A 1-2 punch comprised of world class skill and speed. mmmmm, I might need new jeans
by mechanixfetch on Jan 21, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Yes they'd be awesome.
But I dont like how streaky Kovalev is.
"Hey, why dont you give your balls a tug you fucking pussies". - Alexandre Burrows #14
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 22, 2010 2:06 AM PST up reply actions
Can’t make that trade without dumping salary
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 23, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
Targets I’m fascinated by:
-Barrett Jackman (from Trail; signed forever)
-Jaro Spacek (oldish, signed for two more)
-Josh Gorges (from Krusty the Klowna; signed for one more, RFA thereafter.)
I doubt any of them would come cheaply—and they’re all lefties, which we sorta have in abundance—but I think any of them would be a nice addition.
Matt Cullen
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
He’s a nice-ish player, but where would he fit on the team? Is he gritty enough to be a bottom six? Skilled enough to break the top 6? This is not snark, btw. I don’t know the answers — I am legitimately asking why you bring up the name.
by ThomasPratt on Jan 21, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Matt Cullen is the perfect fit for third line center and sometimes even more. He’s got decent hands, great work ethic and can kill penalties. I’ve been wanting Cullen here for a couple years now.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 23, 2010 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
3rd line pivot, our biggest hole.
Stanley Cup winner, Canes are out of it, pending UFA, kills penalties, 4th in team scoring, leads Cane forwards in blocked shots and takeaways.
Shouldn’t cost much as a rental.
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
Rosterbation
Lol.. Genius. Apparently, I have much to learn yet, as the ‘young apprentice.’
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