Last homestand until Mid-March -- Stars @ Canucks
by GoodKeith on Jan 21, 2010 1:01 PM PST
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UPDATE (4:39 PM): Looks like Rypien still has stomach ailments and remains sidelined, so Wellwood will center the 3rd line between Demitra and Bernier, while Samuelsson moves back up to Line 2 and Johnson centers Hordichuk and Glass, according to Dan Murphy on Twitter.
UPDATE: 3:23 PST: No Mitchell tonight. Ryan Johnson returns and punts Wellwood out of the lineup.
(Mgmt Note: Big thanks to GoodKeith for his preview help today!)
Less than 24 hours after the Poutine and Meatballs line saved a point in Oil Country, the Canucks are back at it again, facing off against Marty Turco Alex effin' Auld and the Dallas Stars. (7 PM PST, RSN's got it) Here are a couple of my notes for tonight...
WHEN IN EDMONTON... Vancouver just got back from playing the Oilers. After Dallas plays tonight they head to Edmonton for a game tomorrow. Wonder if any Canucks have any advice for Stars players this year about the best restaurants and the like.
WEST COAST BIAS...? Strangely, Henrik and Daniel were given the 2nd and 3rd stars for all NHL games played last night (Thanks to Thursday Morning Coffee for this tip), Sports Illustrated has heaped loads of praise upon Hank, and espn.com's John Buccigross has the Canucks ranked at 4th in his "Power 5" this week. Will the newfound media exposure help or hurt Vancouver in the coming days? With or without the bright lights it's still a fairly hairy home stand (Chicago Saturday Night, Buffalo Monday Night, and the ever dangerous Blues Wednesday). And that's not mentioning the fact that Saturday, we're all going to tune into HNIC to see if "I'm a ref so I'm right" MacLean has anything else to say about his treatment of the Burrows-Auger incident. Not to mention the NHL Network had something to say about last night's game and a hit THEY thought should have been whistled as a penalty, something Pat Quinn reverberated after the game. At least Vancouver will have a chance to hang their hats at home for a week. Hope nobody's cat/dog/fish/other animal dies.
BERNIER REDEMPTION -- Another game for AV to see if he was right by getting Steve Bernier back into a high profile second line position. Will it work out for the best or will Bernier's "Hands of Stone" get the best of him in the attacking zone yet again? Is this his last chance to show his stuff?
PREDICTION -- The Canucks really didn't press too much last night, but got past the desperate Oilers. Rypien may or may is not be over his stomach flu. The revolving door situation in Dallas' goal sums up the Stars' season so far: We're still alive for the playoffs, so change = good. A change in venue from the last meeting between these teams (3-1 Canucks win, Jan. 2, 2010) = not good for Dallas. 4-2, Mikael Samuelsson with the game winner.
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3-2 Canucks.
Raymond with the GWG!
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
I was gonna say 3-2….I got in second and my pick was gone!!!
OK 3-1 Nucks. Luongo is going to have to help grind one out.
Kesler FTW!!!!
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 1:17 PM PST reply actions
I think we can have more than one on a score!
I remember when missy mentioned ( I think it was missy ) that the statistical score to go with based on the numbers was 4-2…
Seeing that all over the place!
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
That was me, I think, but it was based on a much different scoring formula where, back when I was but a bookie-lad, we computed the winner as the closest to the actual score, not the one who was exactly right. 4-2 just averages out better.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
i actually said that last year…. before my algorithm…..
Official Ambassador for Nucks Misconduct.
"If Chuck Norris was up against 7 Rangers, he'd call Ryan Kesler."
GO CANUCKS GO!
Did you? OK, I stand corrected. 4-2 is a statistically significant score for both of us, then!
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
towards the end of the season last year, i noticed that lots of our wins were by scores of 4-2.
Official Ambassador for Nucks Misconduct.
"If Chuck Norris was up against 7 Rangers, he'd call Ryan Kesler."
GO CANUCKS GO!
By the way Zanderberg, I believe I correctly guessed Edmonton’s score and Daniel as the GWG scorer yesterday. Update my stats damn it. I want to move up the rankings!!!!!
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 1:17 PM PST reply actions
Sir! Updated. cyxj takes sole possession of 2nd place. My futility continues.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 21, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
I thought I got one for getting the Oilers score right..
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
What? For predicting they get 2 goals? no it doesn’t work that way.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 21, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
4-2 Canucks. Daniel.
I think I’ve only deviated from that prediction twice. First time it cost me 3 points; last nite it cost me 1 more. But today, my learning curve shall curveth again.
p.s.
Less than 24 hours after the Poutine and Meatballs line saved a point2 points, actually!
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
BTW casual I added your custom google search to the right sidebar on the homepage. On top under “tools and gadgets”…I assume we’ll add some other goodies over time.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah…noit really looking forward to anything.
I will watch it until he says something “final” about it, and then I think I can find something else to watch waiting for puck drop.
A Two and a Half Men rerun or something. Maybe Steven Segal Lawman or even a B-ball game.
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
Sorry kids. I am too busy today to have done the preview. Thanks GoodKeith! I did have some of a preview in draft mode, so I’ll just paste that here:
Rant Alert. Hey, how about that screw job by the refs on the Oilers last night? Unbelievable. The Canucks’ tying and winning goals came from power plays that derived from terrible calls. Especially the interference call on Grebeshkov in OT. Mason Raymond merely fell as he tried to skate by the Oilers’ d-man. I can understand Pat Quinn’s disgust after that one. And all that with Mr. Bettman in attendance too yet. Conspiracy! ….And Justice For All. Sure, I’m being silly. Or am I?
Willie Mitchell’s absence hurts. He is questionable for tonight, as is Ryan Johnson. In Willie’s absence last night the extra minutes were tacked onto the top 4 defencemen, especially Sami Salo (25:02) and Alex Edler (26:32). Aaron Rome (12:28) and Brad Lukowich (9:31) are not being “trusted” with extra minutes.
Speaking of ice time, how about that Mason Raymond? Sure, he drew that OT bogus penalty, but he played just over 20 minutes last night and was a force. How about that hit on Smid (?). Boom! Little guy can dish them out too! Of course, it’s still all about the Super Smash Brothers. Watching the Sedins and Burrows is flat-out magical.
Loui
Its one of them funny Euro spellings Sean.
Traitor!
The Conspiracy Theory stuff was funny, but you missed that the ref and Grebeshkov were seen talking in the hall before the game. That Grebs didn’t look “happy”, but there was no unbiased 3rd party to confirm it!
The Oilers fans have reason to be pissed because of the fact of when in the game it was…and it wasn’t a tripping penalty ( though, to be fair, looking at the replay and where the ref was, it sure must have looked like tripping )…but it was more than incidental contact that we have all seen called before…so…meh.
Or, maybe it is because Gary was there, and its all fixed…we got our playback for last week.
BTW…how ’bout that? http://www.theprovince.com/sports/hockey/canucks-hockey/boss+Gary+Bettman+satisfied+with+Burrows+investigation/2465745/story.html
We are “partisans”.
“Vive Le’ Canuckes”
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
As I mentioned in the game day thread last night
Only politicians use the word partisan. OK, lawyers do too.
Seriously, would Nashville fans disagree with not calling the interference on Burrows in that game? Don’t people have objectivity? As a Canuck fan, I’d say that the “tripping” call (even if it’s called something else) was not a good call at good. Am I not partisan enough?
Speaking as a lawyer (albeit a brand new one), I have never once used the word partisan. We may be an icky profession, but we’re not all Bettman-icky.
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd.
Nice to hear you have standards. There is bad…and then there is “Bettman bad”!
Ha!
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
Bettman is transparently “partisan” toward a whitewash of Auger.
by Bobby Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Did anyone catch the new name that the Team1040 is using for the Sedin line/play style. “The Sedinery” – seemed to have caught on well with the post-game listeners last night.
"Sedinery"
Originally used on Team 1040 by Dave Tomlinson to describe the play of the triplets, and Blake Price gushed over the word.
by Bobby Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
3-2 win again for the Canucks. Henrik for the win.
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 1:59 PM PST reply actions
That’s like saying the Tragically Hip keep making songs so one is bound to be good sometime….not sure the logic works.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Wait wait wait, are you dissing the Hip?
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
The worst band in human history? I think so
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
bah! New Orleans is sinking? Classic song.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 21, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Swim! doo-doo-doo dibbadabba dibbadabba SWIM!
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 21, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
There was always a hot chick in their videos….therefore they are better.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
That doesn’t make their music good.
Otherwise, every rap song on TV is the greatest thing ever.
Poutine & Meatballs
I said The Hip were the worst band of all time. Not just because their music is epically bad but for many other reasons as well.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Coldplay FTW.
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
Come on. That’s not even close. Coldplay have songs with more than 3 chords and more than 2 chord progressions so they win by default.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
There’s simply no bottom to my hatred of these guys. And it all started during that AID for Africa concert from like 8 or 9 years ago. I’m getting pissed just thinking about them…
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
It’s funny cause they are actually very nice grounded down to Earth people. Chris Martin has a phenomenal sense of humor and to me their music is good. I mean I love the piano so I enjoy their stuff. And they have gotten better as song writers as they have gotten older. And they donate something like 25% of their earnings to charity. Imagine if every band, actor, athlete did that?
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
it’s nice they are good people but their music is the definition of painful. i suppose it’s great if you’re suicidal or just a miserable person, but i’d rather listen to nothing before i embrace their crap
(i was raised on very different types of stuff, so that may explain it).
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, as worst emotionless scumball worthless tripe loserly suckmaster band in the world its very close between coldplay and nickleback. But at least nickleback rocks, even if it is plastic plagiarized rocking, so coldplay wins the suck contest.
Heh, don’t tell anyone I play music with, but there are at least 4 nickleback songs that I could play and sing along with note for note…mostly older ones mind u…guilty of having a bit of guilty pleasure there.
I still like some of the older ones. That doesn’t mean I can’t think they’re a mini national embarrassment.
by Passive Voice on Jan 21, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
According to Billboard, they're the band of the decade.
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
Worse than actual Nickelback
Are the swarm of Nickelback copycat bands that they bring on tour.
Although Theory of a Deadman have some decent songs.
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
Now they
are a good candidate for worst band of all time.
It’s like that douchebag has one tune in his head and can’t get it out, brutal.
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
You should go see Coldlpay live. They are amazing musicians, shouldn’t be but is pretty rare these days, and they put on an amazing show. Plus there are tonnes of hot chicks and awkward guys wearing skinny jeans. It’s an amazing place for a man to be.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I’ve study music enough that u can’t convince me of that one. U2 (who I’ve never liked and probably never will) I can appreciate for their showmanship and how they play to the top of their game every time, even if they make me want to kick a puppy. But Coldplay? nuh uh. Sorry…let’s agree to disagree on that one.
You’ve never seen Coldplay so how can you judge their live performance as a performance? I have seen them several times and everytime they have been outstanding. Great energy and their quality is impressive, I mean Chris Martin sounds good when he sings live. That alone makes them rare in this day and age for a band that sells out arenas.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve seen Coldplay live. They were OK, but put against the likes of Muse they are pretty tame. And I disagree about Chris Martin’s singing – it’s pretty weak IMO.
by British Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
You make me stoked for Muse coming on April Fool’s Day.
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
Unfortunately I’m going to be out of the country when Muse come in April, but believe me you won’t be disappointed. I’ve seen them twice, once in 2001 when they were still pretty small and then in ’07 at Wembley. Both times they were awesome.
by British Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
What do you think of Mumford and Sons? Fanfarlo? Temper Trap?
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Must admit, I’ve never heard them. Any good?
by British Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Mumford and Sons is great if you like the banjo….Little Lion Man is great. I like all of them but then I like Coldplay, Snow Patrol, Editors, Spoon and Keane so take that however you want. Actually I didn’t really like the new album from Keane or Editors now that I think about it. But I do love Spoon.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Spoon’s coming! You gonna watch?
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
I live in Fort St John. Not going to see any good bands in the near future.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
We should meet up in PG some day and get hammered.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 21, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Those British bands you’ve mentioned aren’t my favourites… but I’ll try and check out some of those Canadian bands, I’ve been here for over two years now so it’s about time I learnt more about Canadian music!
by British Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Any recommendations from your side of the pond?
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
Having lived in Canada for a couple of years now I’m a bit out of the loop. Kasabian were one of my favourites before I left, like Oasis only good.
My guilty pleasure has always been Australian music – I have a mancrush for Silverchair
by British Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
Love Kasabian. British bands I listen on regular are Muse and Kaiser Chiefs though.
Silverchair screams 90’s for me. Daniel Johns was a hottie. I like Wolfmother too.
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
Nothing wrong with a bit of 90s lovin. My heart lies in the 1990s, particularly for Britpop – Blur, Oasis, Pulp, Verve, Sleeper, Elastica, Suede, Supergrass, Ash. I’m feeling very nostalgic right now!
by British Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
Saw Muse at Leeds Fest, one of the big music festivals over here in England.
When they came on, a huge rainstorm started. The stage lights lit up the dramatic rainfall and steam cascaded up from the masses at the front. It was magical, incredible.
Nice! I miss the English music festivals, particularly Reading / Leeds. I’ll never forget going to Reading 96 at the tender age of 16 and watching Rage Against the Machine, Prodigy, Sonic Youth. Oh, and it was the Stone Roses last ever show (Worse. Performance. Ever).
by British Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
Jealous. I was definitely born 10 years too late as far as my music taste/Reading Fest goes.
Even though I’ve had the time of my life again and again at Leeds watching some amazing bands with loads of friends, the kind of person who attend now are such a downgrade from the awesome friendly passionate kind of crowd of my first Leeds in 2005.
Thanks to (500) Days of Summer and an Aussie friend, I bought “Conditions.”
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
Good album. Sweet Disposition is so good.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Better than the Big Bang theme?
Don’t answer that.
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
the Big Bang theme
Reminds me of They Might Be Giants.
by Bobby Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
I saw them in Seattle a few years ago with a fake ID.
I was paranoid as hell, I woulda enjoyed it more if I wasn’t so scared of getting kicked out. Suffice to say, they were awesome.
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
Nowhere have I said that I’ve never seen coldplay live…in fact I have…and it was so unmemorable and boring that it just cemented my disdain for them. I even got dragged by my girlfriend to George Michael’s concert a couple years back and liked that more than coldplay. How’s that for unimpressed? Coldplay < george michaels live. Wow.
I am just going to walk away before I say something I will regret.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
I’m going to go ahead and live through you so I never have to do it. “unmemorable and boring”…I feel validated now.
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
heh, U2 is another one of my targets. I try very hard to separate my feelings for Bono and the band but…yeah…no thank you.
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
U2 is one of those bands that I’ve never understood why they’re so popular. Like REM.
by British Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
I’m no U2 scholar but from where I sit…all their music sounds roughly the same. Especially their older stuff. I don’t understand it.
I imagine they are pretty good live (they certainly have the budget). But I never put faith in the claims they were the best band to ever hit the record button at a studio.
Worse yet…I’ve gotten into arguments with people about this and sometimes they replace U2 with Bon Jovi. It’s at that point blood squirts out of my eyes and the paramedics are called.
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
I hate Bono. But how can you say their music sounds roughly the same? They re-invented their sound over and over again.
Coldplay-lover right here! No shame!
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 21, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
Yankee, I’m with you on that, a lot of their stuff does sound the same. Though they are not the worst offenders in this regards (step forward Red Hot Chili Peppers post-2000).
by British Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
True. Still liked Stadium Arcadium.
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
Yeah, but in general they’ve lost the originality that they had in the 80s and 90s. Though I guess they are old men now.
by British Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
I would explain my U2 thesis to you, but since you’re a Coldplay fan, I will just smile politely and offer you a cookie because I don’t want you to listen to their music and commit suicide.
Chocolate chip ok? :)
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Man the Canucks are…
Ex-squeeze me?
Hip are the soundtrack of Canadiana my friend..what… are you more a Shania or Celine fan…?
;-)
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
No I prefer good music. The Jam, Floyd, Zep, The Who, etc etc etc……only Rush comes close in terms of Canadian bands.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
In terms of individual musicianship not many bands can compete with Rush.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Wow…all this rush love? I mean, sure rush is probably the most technically competent band since the mothers of invention, but come on…songwriting skills are…lame at best. I get why drummers love rush, and i’m a musician so I can totally appreciate rush from a logical musicianship standpoint. But seriously…i just don’t see Tom Sawyer making a 22 year chick throw her bra onto the stage…unless she’s a drummer…and we all know how unhot chick drummers are, lenny kravitz’s former drummer exluded…
I was actually going to post something about Rush and how they should have left the lyrics out of their songs. YYZ is incredible. No words. Just rocking.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Rush should have had Blue Rodeo write their lyrics………hmm on second thought.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
Nah, if I want technically out of this world music that also makes me happy and my g/f likes to get busy to, i gotta leave Canada and go with tool.
Girls like doing the deed to Tool? That’s a first.
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
She’s a keeper!
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Too bad
when you put all those musicians together they are tedious and unimaginative as a group.
Definitely a case of the the whole being less than the sum of it’s parts.
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
Ummm…love all the ones you mentioned…and yes, Geddy Lee and friends are great. So’s the Hip…especially their older stuff.
Guess Who and Neil Young aint too shabby though….The Band…Barenaked Ladies…DOA…54-40.
New Pornographers…Payolas…Red Rider…Stampeders…Trooper, Triumph…too many more to mention…
Not every great band came from England…sometimes the Colonies got it right!
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
Are you out of your mind? Did you just put the Barenaked Ladies on a list of good bands? 54-40? Trooper? Triumph? The list of mediocre, AT BEST, Canadian bands that you just trotted out makes me want to weep.
Putting the Guess Who in the same breath as Neil Young is blasphemous. Canadian Music, and especially the stuff that gets played on the radio because the government makes us play it, is crap. Always has been and always will be….just pure crap.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
Hey man, fuck you. Platinum Blonde was the shit! ;)
Most Canadian music and cinema sucks. Just my opinion. But Alanis Morissette and Sarah McLaughlin (sp) are/were pretty damned good. And Bryan Adams was the shit before he defected.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 21, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah they are all examples of mediocre Canadian music IMO. I have strong feelings about this subject. Can you name me one band in Canada right now on the same level as Muse? Can’t do it can you. There probably are some but they don’t get the support from anyone in this country. We continue to force radio stations to play Canadian music and they continue to play Shania, Avril and Nelly instead of helping the young up and comers.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
I love Arcade Fire. LOVE them. But they aren’t on the same level as Muse. At least not to me. It’s close though. But how many people in Canada have heard a Fire song?
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
I prefer them to Muse, but they’re both awesome. I also really like Stars, another great Canadian band in my opinion. And the New Pornos from time to time. But you’re right, they don’t get much respect on Canadian radio. But American radio plays shit too, so I don’t get why this is a source of bashing of the Canadian seen. No one plays Muse. What brilliant bands of today would you reference that get airplay?
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
Muse do get airplay. I just heard them the other day and I live in Redneck central. But your right for the most part good music doesn’t see the light of day on radio.
My overall point is just that Canadian music, other than a select few, sucks. And if one day good Canadian music finds the light of day my opinion might change.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Really? arcade fire? Could rock music possibly have any LESS fire and emotion than arcade fire, Death cab and the like? The end of the 2000s decade reminds me of the end of the 80s music wise…everything got bland and inoffensive and just sooooo boring…great for status quo radio or just having on in the background or in a shopping mall, but doesn’t really evoke much emotion.
Maybe you aren’t really listening then? Lyrics play a part in evoking emotion. Maybe it’s not your cup of tea but I love bands like DeathCab and Arcade Fire who use strings in their songs. To me a beautiful arrangement of strings is very powerful emotionally.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
But that’s my point…these guys take ok rock lyrics and wash out all the color and fire from it. It’s the same reason I hate coldplay so much…they’re masters at it. Don’t nullify the emotion the lyrics contain by make flat, nondynamic boring music to go with it…
You can listen to Viva La Vida and tell me that is nondynamic flat music?
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Being from England I’m usually the first to stick up for British bands (Muse are my faves, saw them at Wembley Stadium in ’07 – awesome!). But Coldplay suck donkey dick.
by British Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Whatever. Music is all subjective. I get that. People can like whoever they want. But to say Coldplay suck is flat out wrong. You might not like them but they are amazing musicians. Tragically Hip aren’t good musicians hence why they suck.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Point the first: Indeed music is subjective…that’s why there’s so many variations of it. We agree on something in this thread!
Point the second: Music has NEVER about the virtuosity of the performers alone…if it was you wouldn’t have had the beatles, the pistols, ozzy, U2, the police, most of the punk genre, most of the 50s rock genre, nirvana (indeed the majority of the 90s wouldn’t have existed, save NIN and Rage Against the Machine) etc. etc.
Rage Against the Machine was one of the first shows I ever went to in ‘96, it was insane. I’ve always had a soft spot for RATM since then, even though their stuff does cover the full range of “good, bad and ugly”
by British Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
I saw Rage many years ago when they toured with the Wu Tang clan. It was….interesting. But I do love RATM’s stuff, especially before the battle of LA came around.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Nirvana weren’t good musicians. Are you saying they suck?
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 21, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
right so it’s subjective as long as it’s not “wrong” (as in disagrees with you).
Just what besides your personal taste makes Coldplay better musicians than the Hip?
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
Listened to it…it is non dynamic flat boring music. I gave it a shot…tried to like them…couldn’t. In all fairness all I’ve heard of Arcade Fire are their singles so, yeah possibly I’m wrong there…but coldplay? sorry.
So what do you like then? What do you consider dynamic music?
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
Flat!??? Have you seen Arcade Fire perform? They are so full of life! They’re amazing
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
I like the group Stars, an offshoot of Broken Social Scene, Montreal based.
by Bobby Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
WOW...
Methinks a bias is showing.
Music snob.
Thats fine. I can like the English Supergroups…its pretty easy too.
But yes, early BL is fucking awesome…54-40 is a West Coast thing…if you ever saw them live…you had fun.
Those were just a scan of the list on Wikipedia…and don’t include the musicians who made it big like Sarah and Alanis… ( though have to disagree on Adams…but thats because I get force fed his shit still on Vancouver Radio )
Thats what you may be talking about…the Canadian content rules are great, or not. But they produced great music.
And if we are throwing around FU’s, one for Mr Music Snob on comparing the Guess Who and Neil…I did nothing of the sort…I pointed out they were great. Hell, The Band deserves to be mentioned in the same breath ( both before and after working with Bob Dylan )…
for impact on music as The friggen Who…or the Jam? Are you kidding me?
The Guess who was the first band to be #1 in the States…for a fair amount of time.
Neil is a fucking icon, and above reproach.
Both have the Maple Leaf tattooed to their ass.
Canadian cinema sucks too? Fuck You on that one too!
LOL…I work/ed in that biz the past 8 years.
Man…this is good to get the post count up anyhow!
;-)
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
The Band is great no one said they weren’t. You can come up with TWO Canadian bands, Rush and The Band, on the same level as The Jam, The Who, Floyd, Stones, Beatles, Zep, etc etc etc.
Cancon promotes mediocre music, always has and always will. Great Canadian music doesn’t get supported by Cancon unless they go to the States and get big first. I mean The Arcade Fire are huge all around the world and have great critical success yet can’t get on the radio in Canada. That’s strange isn’t it?
The Guess Who being the first band from Canada ever to have a number one in the US proves my point. They had one or two good songs. That doesn’t make for a great band. Mediocre band though for sure. You can’t put bands like 54-40, the Ladies, and who ever else on the same level as even bands like Joy Division, The Smiths, and others that are only mid-level English bands.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
Canadian cinema / TV for the most part sucks. I stand by that opinion / taste.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 21, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
To each his own...
Both of you!
Canadian Cinema is underrated for smaller movies, and shows like Corner Gas and Devinci’s Inquest ( two off the top of my head ) are syndicated around the world.
The GW had more than a “couple good songs”…but I sense that you have your mind set here, so I respectfully disagree.
Nice to see you acknowledge my fave of them all, The Band though…
I can’t put the Ladies and 54-40 on the same level as Joy Div and the Smiths?
that is relative…but whatever. Its what you like. I like any music as long as its good.
It matters less to me where it is from…
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
I couldn’t care less where bands are from. I dislike the French but I love Phoenix. Great band. Pela, one of my all time favs, are from Brooklyn. I listen to a lot of different music. I love Frank Sinatra. And I love the Three Tenors. But there is no way that the Barenaked Ladies are anywhere close to the level of a band like the Smiths. Morrissey and Johnny Marr or that nerd with glasses? Not even close. I mean they rapped in some of their songs.
As I said before there are Canadian bands, like The Deere’s or Broken Social Scene, that are incredible. But they don’t get air play or recognition in Canada.
The bands you mentioned do not compare to the truly great bands in the world.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Missed the point again Mr 312.
Its all relative. I mentioned big Canadian Bands. If it was comparing the great bands in the world, that is another discussion. If you talk about just pure sales success…well then…its Celine and Adams! (UGGGGHHHHH!!!!)
I think I agree totally with you anyhow. I listen to 101 and 99.3 the Fox here in vancouver.
101 is classic rock, and has all the usual suspects…
But the Fox does the same and still plays guys like Arcade Fire.
I love Frank too…but really, Miles Davis is the shot.
Artie Shaw was amazing, and Jellybean and other old Jazz greats were raped mercilessly by the Stones and especially Zep ( who I love!) for material.
Its all good.
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
It matters less to me where it is from…
you closed with that..then I responded with the fact that I don’t care where music is from and I missed the point? Hmm..
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
I saw the Barenaked Ladies a few years ago because of a girl. I have to say I’ve seen worse bands. I don’t like their stuff at all, like not even close. But they made fun of themselves multiple times which I appreciate. And people seemed generally happy and grooving to it. Nothing too depressing.
If some chick dragged me back again, I’d go (as long as I can drink)
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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
I love the theme song they wrote for Big Bang Theory. Witty and catchy.
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
Really? That’s the only part of the show I hate. Hate!!!!!!!!!! I can’t watch the show live. I have to PVR it so I can speed through the theme song. AHHHHHHHHHH it’s in my head!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
A little high. But yep, I sing along.
You should too. You know you wanna ;)
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
Get this shit out of my head. Can I sue you for this?
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
I’d rather you sue someone with money. BNL for instance.
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
would really like to get in on the music discussion
but being the resident death metal freak… all of my references would be followed by “who?”
that being said…
my 5 faves right now
Fastkill (Japan)
Lich King (USA)
Brutal Truth (USA)
Korpiklaani (Finland)
Sacrifice (Canada)
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by canucklehead666 on Jan 21, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Lich King- Attack Of The Wrath Of The War Of The Death Of The Strike Of The Sword Of The Blood…Of The Beast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2rzrRP6GP4
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by canucklehead666 on Jan 21, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
I am on a thrash metal kick lately… there’s so much good new old-school styled thrash metal… all I need is those skintight black jeans, some hightops and a vest covered in metal patches and I am ready to go out and kill some posers! Heh. Yeah, more like comfortable pants, comfortable shoes, a nice warm hoodie and a place not too close to the stage where I can sit and watch the show away from the danger that awaits in the mosh pit. Fuck I am getting old…
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by canucklehead666 on Jan 21, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
Obviously
you are the world’s authority on band ranking, nobody is allowed to have their own opinions on who is better than who, all must consult Section 312’smaster list in order before daring to name great music.
Get over yourself man.
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
I am so sick and tired of you yoata. Reading your comments is such a fucking chore. Like I am already at work I shouldn’t have to force myself to get through the tedium of the shit you write as well.
Everyone on this thread was posting their opinions, OPINIONS, about what bands are good or great or whatever else. In my opinion The Smiths are far superior to Barenaked Ladies and you wouldn’t get much of an argument from most people. The Smiths are legendary all over the world. So I stated my opinion. If you don’t like it fine. If you think I am wrong fine. But don’t give me all this shit about getting over myself and all that other shit. There were plenty of other people giving their opinions on this topic so why go to such great lengths to pick out my comments and post that drivel?
I mean yoata telling someone to get over themselves is hysterical. That’s the funniest thing I think you have ever posted. You telling someone to get over themselves….I mean no one, and I mean NO ONE on this site loves themselves and their own opinions more than you.
yoata once again confirming he is the biggest douche on NM. Not that we didn’t already know it.
by Section 312 on Jan 22, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
You should really
go back and read the crap you’ve posted in this thread.
I don’t single you out personally, you do with the crap you post and the attitude you take when you do.
Michael Jackson is a legend all over the world too, does that mean his music is better than (insert Section’s favourite band here)?
The problem is you didn’t state your opinion as if it were opinion, you stated it as if it were undeniable fact, using phrases like “can’t put them on the same level” etc etc.
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
OK yoata your right. I apologize. It won’t happen again. Please feel free to straighten me out whenever you think I am straying off the righteous path again. If I continue to encroach on your monopoly of stating opinion like fact let me know and it will be corrected. Thank you for taking the time to help make me a better poster. It is appreciated. Of course, do keep in mind, that this is all just in my opinion it is in no way fact.
by Section 312 on Jan 22, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Deflect
all you like but I doubt you’d be getting so pissy about it if there weren’t some truth to what I’m saying.
If you can go back and read your posts in this thread and not see where I’m coming from w/regard to your arrogant and ignorant demeanor about a totally subjective thing like musical preference then nevermind, it’s pointless.
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
I’m not pissy dude. I’m laughing at you. Every time you post I laugh at you. Not pissy. I did go back and read what I wrote and at times maybe I did state my opinion too strongly. Maybe I didn’t write my posts very well and it sounds like I am trying to make my opinion fact. It happens from time to time when you are passionate. But you are a joke and I am laughing at you.
by Section 312 on Jan 22, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Too funny
I am the “joke” that made you see what an ass you’ve made of yourself in this thread… by your own admission…
OK, that makes a lot of sense.
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
You didn’t make me see I was an ass. I said maybe I worded things wrong. I had already backed off of those comments LAST NIGHT. I didn’t need you thinking you are some fucking message board morality police to come in here and show me that. Cause I had already seen it and tried to reword my thoughts so as not to do it anymore. LAST NIGHT.
Where did I say I was an ass? Your such a fucking waste of time. I can’t believe I am even responding to this shit anymore.
Maybe I didn’t write my posts very well and it sounds like I am trying to make my opinion fact
That is admitting I was an ass? Maybe in your world of spinning people’s words, taking things out of context and putting words into people’s mouths.
by Section 312 on Jan 22, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Not pissy?
Hmmm…
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
I was wondering where the Canadian Cinema and TV comment was coming from. I haven’t watched much TV since I left BC, but Davinci’s inquest was by far one of the best cop/investigation shows I’ve ever seen. The Canadian humor shows were pretty good and I miss those shows as much as I miss Blackadder and Fawlty Towers. Movies, as long as you aren’t looking for Transformers 2.5 are usually good if you’re into cinema and not just going for the testosterone rush or blockbuster hit.
To me, Corner Gas is not all that funny. Trailer Park Boys IS.
I really thought Passhendale was going to be Canada’s answer to Saving Private Ryan. Nope. A fail of a movie.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 21, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
Ya agreed on the Corner Gas and Trailer Park Boys. Canadian TV is pretty hit or miss.The only Canadian shows I really paid any attention to were Trailer Park Boys, This Hour has 22 minutes, and Royal Canadian Air Farce. As a kid I enjoyed watching Due South back in the day.
To be fair, there’s really no such thing as Canadian cinema other than French Canadian cinema. The English Canadian film market is pretty much intertwineed with the American market, in terms of both production and the development of talent.
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Beantown…there are a LOT of co-productions.
Imaginarium or Parnnassus was one. Snowwalker another.
Great little Canadian film? Fido was fucking hilarious…and as good of a zombie flick as many in that genre.
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
They filmed parts of the Imaginarium of Dr Parnassus outside the Vancouver Pulbic Library. I lived across the street at the time, it was pretty cool to go down and watch.
by British Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but still, for the most part Canadian English cinema is a segment of the more general “North American” cinema. Just like they measure the Canadian box office receipts as part of the overal North America box office. Major Canadian production companies that succeed always end up being incorporated into the larger North American market (usually by merging into larger Cos., but sometimes on their like Lions Gate…although they too now headquarter in LA). Lots of big Canadian actors out there. They’re in the same movies that the American actors are in. Two Canadian directors are likely to be competing for best picture this year at the Oscars.
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
(James Cameron and Jason Reitman, who is a huge Canucks fan by the way)
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Up in the Air >>>>>>>> Avatar
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
I'm liking some groups from the American Southwest...
…such as The Shins, The Killers and Spoon.
by Bobby Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
I do like The Killers. Lots of good bands being mentioned.
As for Cdn Cinema and TV…the USA Networks and have been stealing our shit for a while.
Dragon’s Den became Shark Tank.
Cold Case became was from a Canadian show of a similar name.
The funny and small movie “The Delicate Art of Parking” was awesome…and became “Parking Wars” on A&E.
I am sure there are more.
Don’t even get me started on the “Great Comedy Brain Drain”…that has been going on for a looooonnnnggg time.
I guess the thing with Cdn Cunema and all the programs is that they encourage people like Deny Arcand, Atom Egoyan and many more.
Ask horror fans how many directors say they are or were affected from watching Dead Ringers, Videodrome, Scanners, Rabid, and whatever else that David Cronenberg made when he was depending on the “system”.
Bruce MacDonald, or more recently Bruce Sweeney…a couple more.
Jason Rietman got his chops through Dad, another Canuck.
Canadian cinema has nothing to apologize for.
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
Just because
that is your opinion, doesn’t mean others “can’t put them on the same level”.
My guess is you make it a point NOT TO LISTEN to Candian music and therefore have no idea how good it really is.
There’s a lot of great British music too, right at the very top is Dire Straits, and subsequently Mark Knopfler, not JUST great musicianship, but GREAT GREAT SONGS, in every way.
But that doesn’t mean Canada hasn’t produced some too, that’s a pretty silly statement and doesn’t do you any credit.
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
Dude are you fuycking bnlind or just stupid. I made a post on here already stating that there are lots of Canadian bands on the level of some of the best bands in the world. They just don’t get radio airplay so most of us don’t know who they are….I wrote that already on this thread. Read the whole thing before commenting. I also stated my love for Rush, The Band, Broken Social Scene, The Deers, Neil Young etc etc etc……So who isn’t doing themselves any credit now? Read every comment before you come in here and post this shit.
by Section 312 on Jan 22, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
You also
posted a boatload of crap about how Canadian music sucks, so which is it?
Regardless, your attitude about something that is totally subjective is that of someone who’s personal opinion is the highest authority on the matter.
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
"Post this shit"
Are you out of your mind? Did you just put the Barenaked Ladies on a list of good bands? 54-40? Trooper? Triumph? The list of mediocre, AT BEST, Canadian bands that you just trotted out makes me want to weep.
Putting the Guess Who in the same breath as Neil Young is blasphemous. Canadian Music, and especially the stuff that gets played on the radio because the government makes us play it, is crap. Always has been and always will be….just pure crap.
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
EASY THERE
Ron MacLean.
I backed off that stance later on in the thread when I posted about there being lots of great Canadian bands that don’t get airplay. In my opinion bands like Trooprt and Triumph are horrible examples of Canadian music so I got a little fired up and went a bit over board. I then backed off that stance with a more balanced and thought out post later on. Like I said above this kind of post happens when you are passionate about something.
You want to take one post that was made in the heat of an argument and trot it out to try to make me look bad? Go nuts. It doesn’t bother me at all. Your the only person who seems to be bent out of shape about this so let’s just leave it at you think I’m an idiot and I think your a joke and move on.
by Section 312 on Jan 22, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
The heat of an argument?
All dan did was post some bands he likes and you basically called him an ignorant fool for doing so.
You don’t want to admit you’ve been dismissive and insulting about other people’s musical preferences fine but why sugarcoat it after the fact then?
Ron Maclean? As if a direct quote can somehow be considered putting words in your mouth? LOL
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
Yeah you fucking moron Ron MacLean. Cause you took one thing I said and took it out of context and displayed it for everyone to see as if that proved you right when you were ignoring other posts I made that contradict what you are trying to say.
you basically called him an ignorant fool for doing so.
Putting words into someones mouth? Another Ron MacLean moment from you there since I did nothing of the sort. I didn’t call anyone ignorant or a fool. So stop putting words in my mouth Ron.
I am passionate about music and I phrased things poorly and went overboard. I ALREADY ADMITTED THIS. Now run along and bother someone else.
by Section 312 on Jan 22, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
I displayed it
for everyone to see?
I think you did that actually, and now obviously you are embarrassed about it and want to somehow make it my fault.
Nice try, but in fact those ARE your words, not mine, no you didn’t come out and actually call dan anything, but you might as well have with the demeaning derogatory way you trashed his personal opinion of a completely subjective thing like musical taste.
You’re not nearly as passionate about music as you are about your own opinions… of music… or anything else…
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
You are so not worth the time but one last try....
Dude, read what I wrote. Respond to what I wrote. How do you respond to the fact that I had already backed off of the opinion that you re-posted at 10:06am? I had already backed off of that opinion last night while this thread was developing. I didn’t need to apologize to anyone because they all understood what was happening. So I backed off that comment and re-phrased my comments. So how do you respond to the fact that you pulled out one quote that isn’t representative of the argument and used it to try to prove some point that you have against me? Don’t try to hide behind your spin of my words. Just respond to the question. Tell me why you think that quote is relevant when you consider I had already backed off that statement? Is it an example that I was passionately trying to explain my position? Yes. Is that an example that I went a bit overboard and didn’t phrase my comments well? Definitely. I have already admitted all of that and my position changed later on in the thread, again, LAST NIGHT. So what’s the point of you trotting out that quote?
You and I both know you can’t or won’t explain why you think that posting that quote was relevant. So let’s just drop this and let it be…I won’t sink down to your level again with swear words and name calling and spin and taking things out of context and we can just ignore each other in the future.
by Section 312 on Jan 22, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Sink to my level?
You are the only one name-calling and swearing here, not me, so you’ve obviously stooped to your own level, and yet again want to blame me for it.
If you had truly “backed off” that opinion, you wouldn’t have repeated it in spots, but even if you had, I responded to that post,and saw nothing further taking it back, which I doubt very much you would do, not your style.
But just for s&g, do you still say The Hip is crap, terrible music by terrible musicians and could never be compared to the likes of The Smiths, The Jam, or Muse? And if so what exactly do you base this certainty on besides your obvious ignorance of the Hip’s music?
Have you ever actually listened to a song like Wheat Kings, Locked in the Trunk of a Car, Scared, Long Time Running? You talked about lyrics earlier, have you ever read any Hip Lyrcs, they are about as poetic as it gets. You may not like their style, some would say they hate the Eagles too because of their style but you cannot deny they are still very talented musicians and songwriters, and so are the Hip. Calling them the worst band ever or “epically bad” doesn’t display passion it displays ignorance.
Do you really think that naming a few moderately obscure British Bands from yesteryear makes you seem an authority on music, or do you seriously think that just because you dig them more means that they are automatically so much better?
I can’t stand Rush, but that doesn’t mean they are shit, they are obviously highly regarded musiciansr for a reason but guess what, so are the Hip, and others mentioned. In fact the Hip are far more obscure in the US where they get much better critical reviews than they do album sales.
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
yoata you practically invented swearing and talking down to people and name calling on this board. So if you don’t think that is your level you need to have a long look in the mirror. As usual you don’t respond to direct questions. Just dodge the issue.
I didn’t say I backed off my opinion. My opinion isn’t going to change. Just like Yankee’s opinion of Coldplay isn’t going to change. That’s why I stopped arguing about that with him. I backed off the way in which I was arguing my point.
The Hip do suck. In my opinion. I live in Canada. Always have. So I have heard everyone of their songs and I have never liked any of them. If you ask music experts, and I am not one but I know a lot of them, the Hip aren’t considered great musicians. There lyrics are anything but poetic to me. Sorry. I like poetry but I don’t see much of it in the Hip. They suck. To me. I don’t think they are especially adept musicians and I don’t like their song writing. There are a lot of bands I don’t like that I respect and the Hip aren’t one of them. The epically bad comment was clearly a joke. If you can’t get that then you are clearly operating at a much lower level than everyone else on this board. Cause they all got it. And if you think The Smiths are obscure than you are pretty ignorant yourself.
do you seriously think that just because you dig them more means that they are automatically so much better?
Since I was stating my opinion that they are better I guess I do think that they are automatically better. Since it was my opinion. AS I HAVE ALREADY SAID I DIDN’T PHRASE THINGS VERY WELL BUT THEY WERE MY OPINIONS. Of course my opinion is always going to be right. To me. It’s my opinion.
by Section 312 on Jan 22, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
So that
excuses you resorting to name-calling and swearing at me here? Like I said, deflect deflect deflect. Take responsibility for your own actions, starting with your arrogance on music in general and your complete ignorance about The Hip as you have clearly displayed in this last post, I doubt very much that you’ve ever actually listened to a Hip song, at least not for long or not many, it appears to me from many comments you’ve posted here that you probably just hate them because they are popular and the bands you prefer are not as much.
It’s a form of pretentiousness clearly.
Seriously, one might argue that they don’t care for the poetry in the Hip’s lyrics, but to claim that it does not exist in most of their songs, let alone ones like Gift Shop or Happy Hour just shows that one has obviously never LISTENED to it. I’ve lived in Canada my whole life too, but I would never claim to have heard every song from a band I can’t stand like Rush, I’ve heard a number of their songs, mainly because they are played to death on the radio, but only those really, enough to say that I’ve actually listened to them and still don’t like them, but that doesn’t mean they are musically shit, that’s not so much an opinion as ignorant vitriol.
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
Their lyrics are anything but poetic to me. Sorry. I like poetry but I don’t see much of it in the Hip.
Not poetic to me. I didn’t say they weren’t poetic. Stop trying to put words in my mouth. I said it wasn’t poetic to me. That’s my opinion and it is every bit as valid as your opinion that their lyrics are poetic. There is something tragic about you trying to force your opinion about Tragically Hip down my throat when that is seemingly what you were mad at me about. Very tragic. I like how you put LISTENED in all capitals. Like I could have listened to a Hip song without actually listening to it. And if I had actually listened to it I would get it. Same argument I tried with Soccer. Remember that? I tried to suggest that you didn’t like soccer cause you had never really WATCHED it and therefore didn’t get it. It was a stupid argument that I now realize was ridiculous. It’s funny that you are now trying to do the same thing back to me after how mad you were about the whole soccer thing. You certainly spouted some ignorant vitriol..errrr…I mean opinions that day.
I have heard every Tragically Hip song. I have. Believe me or not I don’t care.
And I never said my name calling and swearing was justified or excused. I feel bad about it. I wish I hadn’t done it. But for you to try to take the high road on that one is ridiculous.
And finally, maybe I am arrogant about music. But music is my life and I take it very seriously. As I have said many many times today (I wish I could get the wasted time back) I worded my posts poorly, the ones that weren’t clearly jokes, and they obviously came across badly. Which is why I tried to back off those posts and word things differently. Whether it worked or not I don’t care. This is now over for me.
by Section 312 on Jan 22, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Obviously
you are the world’s authority on band ranking, nobody is allowed to have their own opinions on who is better than who, all must consult Section 312’smaster list in order before daring to name great music.
Get over yourself man.
Why get personal like that? I thought conversation was intense and passionate. I didn’t see anybody getting offended. Don’t turn a music conversation into some psychological lesson/evaluation.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 22, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
I think
I stated my reasons pretty clearly Sean, I didn’t see anybody else being demeaning and insulting about others’ personal taste in music, to the point that the disdain became obvious superiority on the subject.
I happen to agree with many of dan’s choices and while he tried to be more diplomatic about it (to no avail), I do take offense to being talked down to because of it, so the way I see it, you want to be offensive about someone else’s personal opinion on a completely subjective topic, expect to get called on it.
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
Dan’s a big boy. He can stick for himself.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 22, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
He's
too busy blaming the refs.
; )
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
Dude, naw, especially the last decade or so. Just off the top of my head:
New Pornographers, Arcade Fire, Matt Good, Hot Hot Heat, Wolf Parade, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Crystal Castles, Holy Fuck, Wintersleep…
by Passive Voice on Jan 21, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
That's idiotic
Canada has produced a pile of great music, 54-40 is great, especially live, will blow your ears off, same with Big Sugar, The Hip is absolutely terrific music, April Wine, on and on.
There was great music before you were a teenager you know.
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
Odds
are an excellent band, Headstones and Matt Good have also made some very good music.
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
Wow
that’s just ridiculous.
Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.
Dude I was just using hyperbole for a bit of fun cause I personally don’t like the Hip and I know people get upset when you diss them. Obviously I don’t think they are the worst band in human history. FFS. Everyone else took it the way it was intended? Grain of salt my man, grain of salt.
by Section 312 on Jan 22, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
Morrow, Ribeiro and Lehtinen are still out I think. We catch a nice break with that.
4-3 Canucks, Kesler GWG.
Poutine & Meatballs
Hey all. Been reading the blog for quite a while and thought I would join in on the prediction fun.
4-1 Canucks. Raymond winner.
btw, about his quote
Not to mention the NHL Network had something to say about last night’s game and a hit THEY thought should have been whistled as a penalty, something Pat Quinn reverberated after the game.What hit are they talking about here? I didn’t notice anything while watching and this is the first I heard of it.
Welcome isomicah. Glad you dropped in.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
4-2 Nucks. Kesler.
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
3-2 Canucks
Henrik FTW
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by canucklehead666 on Jan 21, 2010 3:23 PM PST reply actions
5-2 Canucks, Demitra GWG
Haha, Demitra will score eventually…right?
Auld makes some sparkling saves, but can’t stop ’em all.
Death to Scoring Chances FTW? Bold choice. And I don’t hate Death to Scoring Chances….I just hate that he is still on out team.
by Section 312 on Jan 21, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
We should award 5 points if GAHHH! is right. Maybe 100. You’ll get hit by a russian satellite before Bernier scores a game-winner
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 21, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Stranger things have happened. Last year I was watching Game 3 of the Chicago series in a bar after work when during the first interval I bet my boss $20 at odds of 2:1 that Bernier would score that game. My boss laughed at me and took the bet – only for Bernier to score 1:00 into the 2nd period. Sweet.
by British Canuck on Jan 21, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t get me wrong, I hope it DOES happen and I’m wrong.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 21, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
Guess the right score, team and game winning goal scorer and you can get on the score predicting wizards list on the left sidebar on the main page.
1 point if you get the right score
1 point if you guess the right game-winning goal scorer
3 points if you guess the right score, team, and GWG scorer, which doesn’t happen all that often.
No points for guessing the right team but the wrong score
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 21, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
4 fights and counting...
in the Rangers/Flyers game… how lame is Daniel Carcillo? First he fails to completely annihilate Marion Gaborik, then he gets his ass handed to him by Sean Avery…
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by canucklehead666 on Jan 21, 2010 6:00 PM PST reply actions
He’s an “agitator”….like Burrows, right?
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
Music..
Just wanted to chime in with some of my own faves, and don’t anybody slit my throat for it now.. :P
Tool is, and always will be, my favourite band of all time. I’m an 80’s child, so I am stuck in the 90s musically, but here are some of the top ones. NIN, SOAD, and some of the ones mentioned in the thread. Metric for sure, Arcade Fire and Death Cab, and yes, even Coldplay.
Anyone here listen to Heart? I keep hearing great stuff about them but always forget to check them out.
Anywho, enjoyable thread. Glad to see that the testosterone levels have finally dropped to a reasonable measure.
by nucklord on Jan 23, 2010 12:39 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Yes, I listen to Heart. You are referring to the 70’s -80’s band? Annie Wilson’s voice is so cool.
NIN still blows me away too, especially Broken, Fixed and Downward Spiral.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 23, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
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