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Tuesday Morning Coffee: Still wondering why the Flames 'Big' 3 were left off Team Canada?

Last night couldn't have painted a clearer picture for anyone still clinging to the notion that Jay Bouwmeester, Robyn Regehr and Dion Phaneuf were slighted by Team Canada.  In other news from yesterday Ron MacLean showed a brilliant example that if when being interrogated, if you simply change the subject repeatedly, interrupt the interviewer and speak extremely fast so that on first listen no one has a clue about that the hell you're saying, you can get out of it alive.  Credible?  That's another matter. We will look at that plus signs that the Burrows/Auger incident is actually a lot deeper than anyone thought, and a look back at a ton of action from last night, after the jump...

Star-divide

Just how bad were the Calgary Flames last night?  Let's let their fans tell the story: "If Iginla doesn't score Im going to destroy my retro Iginla jersey" "Two things: #1. The best part of following games now are the multitude of 'fail' pix posted on the board., and #2. How chill-laxed I am now accepting the mediocrity of our team. I sleep awesome now with zero expectations."  "Hell, I'd even give Dany Ryder a shot on the top line once he posts bail..." "Look out Oliers! we want a piece of the turtle derby for a decent draft choice ... falling like a friggin stone" "The Flames deserve to be beat down like this. Practically nobody is trying. If they want to give up and quit playing they'll miss the playoffs and if that's the case the whole core, aside from Kiprusoff, should be moved along somewhere else. What a bunch of babies. Makes me sick. Where's the sense of pride? What a joke" "I like how phaneuf thinks he can stop the puck from going in standing behind the net. "  "i hope they lose 9-0 maybe just maybe it will wake them up "  "Don't jump the gun on Sutter, this is not a Sutter game, the players are not playing the system. I have no idea what is going on, did Butter say, fine guys, forget the system, do what you want because that is what it looks like to me is going on..."

I like the last one because it shows in spite of incredible odds, the delusion still remains for some.  I am being careful not to gloat, being the firm believer in karma that I am.  Merely pointing out that many of the things they accuse Canucks fans of being they too are guilty of.  Was it just an off night?  Or has the Flames 2nd half slide begun so early that it might drag them right out of the post-season?  One thing is for sure, there's something wrong in Calgary that a bag skate and earful from the coach isn't gonna fix.  The Big 3?  Minus 8 combined, in addition to Iginla going pointless again.

MacLean shucks... he jives... he completely misses the point! 

And the crowd goes wild.  People thought Ron MacLean was brave to step into the lion's den yesterday and go on Vancouver radio to address his 11 minute hit piece on Alex Burrows Saturday.  After listening to the interview, I came away feeling angrier than I did when I saw the piece in the first place.  Does Ron MacLean actually believe that what the situation really needed was a look into whether players can snap when they are under intense scrutiny by the league was the issue at all???  The only person talking about this was him.  Big shock here, as looking at past interviews with MacLean he often veers way off course with no warning, using the sudden direction change to try and catch his interviewees off guard.  He spent the entire time on air Dave Pratt and Don Taylor trying to convince them and the listeners that the piece had nothing to do with Burrows.  Yet if the piece was just a tutorial on "conflict management", why not feature others from around the league considered problem children by the NHL?  MacLean's venture into the realm of tabloid journalism is shameful, and his appearance on the team 1040 yesterday did nothing but show him to be evasive and delusional.  Nucks and Pucks has more on the story this morning, go check out his piece if you haven't already.  One last bit however, looks like the Canucks have not given up the fight on this, as they've sent tape to the league further outlining Auger's horrific officiating skills, in a November game against the Oilers where Burrows was sent to the box twice on phantom calls.  More on this as it develops. 

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The Flames weren't the only brual Alberta road show last night, as the Avs moved ahead in the NW division race, spanking the Oilers 6-0.  It's kind of funny, but I wonder how many hockey pundits predicted the Oilers would be as good as the Avs have been, and vice versa?  It gets painful to watch that team play sometimes.  And it will again, after we beat them of course haha.  A couple great comeback stories last night, as Rick DiPietro continues to impress in his return to the Islanders, notching a 4-0 shutout win over Marty Brodeur and the Devils.  In Boston meanwhile, Daniel Alfredsson had a natural hat trick in a 5-1 win over the Bruins.  Alfredsson has 4 goals and 2 assists in 2 games since returning from a shoulder injury.  Alot of hype about Ryan Miller and the Buffalo Sabres right now.  In another season where the West/East differences are being highlited, the Sabres are bucking the trend, just an SO loss to the Avs away from a clean sweep against Western teams so far, continuing that trend with a 7-2 thumping of the Coyotes.  This game looks as big as the Saturday match up against the Blackhawks as it draws near.  After not getting the Luongo/Fleury battle last week, Luongo/Miller is looking pretty damn good to me. 

I don't often give the Leafs props ('cuz they're the Leafs), but good on 'em for battling back to take out the red hot Preds last night.  A late goal from Phil Kessel sealed it, after they allowed the Predators back into the game, once holding a 3-0 lead over Nashville.  We here on the West Coast appreciate the help.  Another win for Alex Auld last night as the rumblings that the Marty Turco era in Dallas is coming to a close.  Not sure if they will try and ask him to waive his NTC before the deadline, with them miraculously still in the playoff hunt (hat tip to Gary Bettman and his failure rewards program), they'd be nuts to let Turco go before any type of a playoff run.  Then again, Turco isn't the same goalie he was a couple years ago.  Either way, it will be interesting to see how this one develops.

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Ron MacLean was absolutely disgraceful on 1040 yesterday. I listened to it 3 times, and it was missed by most it seemed, that he tried to suggest that Burrows comments were premeditated because of built up frustration of being targeted by the league, and that Auger’s comments “pushed him over the edge”. He still sides that Auger did nothing wrong, talking to players before a game is fine to do, and that Burrows past history makes him guilty. Unbelievable. I’ll never respect this douchebag anymore.

by grifter_cm on Jan 19, 2010 10:17 AM PST reply actions  

So I guess we need to start looking at the Avs as a serious contender to make the playoffs. I have Stasny in my pool so I know how good this kid is but the team as a whole is surprising a lot of people. You would have thought that they wouldn’t have the depth to compete once a couple of guys went down. Plus as the season goes on guys play hurt and it affects their production. But they have coped just fine when players have gone down injured. Not to mention the rookie forwards they have continuing to impress. Craig Anderson may be the key and he shows no signs of slowing down. I really thought the Avs would have slid out of the playoff picture by now but it looks like I was wrong. I still think Detroit will find a way in and someone will have to make way for that to happen. Right now it looks like it might be the Flamers. That Jokinen trade is looking better and better.

by Section 312 on Jan 19, 2010 10:24 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah I think their success is dependant on Chris Anderson. If he continues to play well then they should make the post-season easily.

by marcness52 on Jan 19, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Gotta say I thought the Avs would have folded by now… but with Hejduk out for a while now as well as few other injuries, they still haven’t convinced me they can keep this up the rest of the year, though I will say now I expect them to get into the post season… I predicted this year (somewhere…) that the Flames would miss the post season. Lots of hockey to play but that 1 man team is in big trouble right now and lineup shuffles simply aren’t gonna do it for them.

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by canucklehead666 on Jan 19, 2010 11:34 AM PST reply actions  

Ever notice that lousiness follows Jokinen everywhere he goes? I wonder if that guy is a poison

by Sean Zandberg on Jan 19, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

not the first time that’s been mentioned… Matthew Barnaby brought that up on TSN when the Flames made the deal to bring him over on deadline day. that team has no chemistry, no confidence and a brother duo running them into the ground… I like what our brother duo does much better

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by canucklehead666 on Jan 19, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Brent Sutter has a great strategy as a coach. I just don’t think the Flames are listening.

by Sean Zandberg on Jan 19, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I am a big fan of the Sutter family having met one of them. Nicest guy you could ever meet. And I think Brent is a great coach. Not convinced by the work of the GM though.

by Section 312 on Jan 19, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

either his game plans aren’t working or they’ve tuned him out, but something’s gotta give there…they miss the playoffs and I would be surprised if they keep their jobs.

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by canucklehead666 on Jan 19, 2010 11:57 AM PST reply actions  

It’s Jokinen and Phaneuf that are the problems, IMHO. If they jettison those two and bring in solid replacements without attitude problems I think they turn it around.

by Section 312 on Jan 19, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s why I said jettison. Like you jettison the garbage before heading into hyperdrive.

by Section 312 on Jan 19, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

That would be, make the jump to lightspeed. Prepare the calculations.

by Beantown Canuck on Jan 19, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

nothing happens
“If I may say so, sir, I noticed earlier the hyperdrive
motivator has been damaged. It’s impossible to go to light-speed!”

by Sean Zandberg on Jan 19, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

nerds...

“Chewey…take a look”

"Insult is the price of clarity"

His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?

Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."

"narwal"

by vancitydan on Jan 19, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

RrrrrrrRRRrrrrRRRRrrrrr

by Beantown Canuck on Jan 19, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

"Hey, why dont you give your balls a tug you fucking pussies". - Alexandre Burrows #14

by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 19, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Nerd?

I once won a game of Star Wars Trivial pursuit on my first turn. Never got a question wrong.

by Section 312 on Jan 19, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

We had to handicap my youngest sister

She had to answer all the questions on each card – it was the only way that she SOMETIMES got one of them wrong. :)

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Jan 19, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Now that is a female I can get on board with.

by Section 312 on Jan 19, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

actually she probably would

She’s a veterinarian, so animals are right up her alley.

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Jan 19, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

taken

Married and mother to my wonderful nephew and niece. :)

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Jan 19, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I wasn’t trying to get a date just lamenting the lack of Star Wars geeks that are also women.

by Section 312 on Jan 19, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

figured as much

I don’t rise nearly to that level of geekdom – although I did blow a male friend’s mind when I mentioned something about a former Shadowrun character. He never in a million years would have thought I was a gamer chick years ago – especially in a cyberpunk setting.

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Jan 19, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s a nice reference.

by Section 312 on Jan 19, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Phanoops -4

in 6 less mins than JaBo who was -1, pretty good considering the score.

btw, Bigmouth Conroy, -5, nice.

Alex Burrows, with 11 goals in his past seven games, was asked if he knew who else has managed that.
He was stumped, but when told it was the Calgary Flames, he roared with laughter.

by yoata on Jan 19, 2010 12:17 PM PST reply actions  

Langkow someone managed to skate off with an even +/-, despite 19 minutes of play. That’s impressive I would say. And I’m thankful about it too, since he’s in my pool (as hard as it was to pick a flame, I tried to make my picks rationally)

by Beantown Canuck on Jan 19, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

you know what sucks? i have at least one of those 3 flamers canadian d-men on all 4 of my hockey fantasy pools. my +/- has taken a beating overnight…..

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by missy on Jan 19, 2010 2:35 PM PST reply actions  

and I hope you’ve learned your lesson, young lady lol
though to be honest (and no offense please) but why would anyone take Phaneuf after the way he played last year…

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by canucklehead666 on Jan 19, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I firmly believe Crosby should be on the “hitting guys squarly in the nutsack while they’re on the ice and not looking at you” list, that’s one pretty badass list

by AdelaideNuck on Jan 19, 2010 3:02 PM PST reply actions  

Crosby is in the “I scored 6 points tonight” list. That’s pretty badass.

by Beantown Canuck on Jan 19, 2010 7:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

The +/- is the worst stat in hockey. The Pens win 6-4 Malkin has a hat trick and is a minus player? Gonchar has 2 assists as is a minus player? Ridiculous stat.

by Section 312 on Jan 19, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Well it’s really a 5 on 5 stat. They had 3 PP goals tonight which just means they capitalized on the penalties while getting outscored in 5 on 5 play.

by marcness52 on Jan 20, 2010 12:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Then they should change what it is called. Call it the 5 on 5 plus minus and give me a stat that let’s me know something actually useful. I mean why not include all facets of play? A goal is a goal no matter how many guys were on the ice when it was scored. Like wouldn’t it be more informative to know what Burrows’ +/- is including being on the ice for PP goals for and PP goals against and all of that. Like if he is a full time PK guy yet is still +5, this is just an example I have not done any research, that would be impressive considering he kills penalties.

by Section 312 on Jan 20, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

“I like how phaneuf thinks he can stop the puck from going in standing behind the net. "

LOL

Poutine & Meatballs

by cyxj on Jan 19, 2010 7:17 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe he thought he could use the power of his mind?

“Use the Force, Dion.” :D

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Jan 19, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

He probably saw Avery do it, and thought it must be a good idea.

by kesrows on Jan 20, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

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