Monday Morning Coffee: HNIC Backlash, The Number 37 And How To Kill Your Career In Hockey Before It Starts
by canucklehead666 on Jan 18, 2010 8:36 AM PST
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Good morning Canuckleheads! Isn't funny how a big win can get you through a weekend? I think that the whole good vibe has as much to do with Alain Vigneault's inspiring defense of his team and by proxy all of us on the weekend. The coach has had enough and isn't gonna take anymore crap from "journalists" like Ron MacLean. Today we look at a very interesting week ahead for the Canucks, as well as what it will take to seal the deal for the post-season. More after the jump...
The reaction to the HNIC attack on Alex Burrows continues to come in from across North America, as journalists, bloggers and fans alike are expressing their extreme distaste with it all. It's good to see that after a week of relentless piling on, people are finally getting it: This was never about Burrows. It was always about maintaining the integrity of the game of hockey by ensuring the referees were there to administer the rule of law in a fair and even-handed manner, and not directly influence the outcome of games. The condemnation of MacLean's slimy attack has come in from writers like Larry Brooks of the New York Post, and Puck Daddy's Greg Wyshynski, as well as locals like Iain MacIntyre, and Jason Botchford (who has been all over this story and done a hell of a job IMO), who interestingly enough recieved a phone call from Colin Campbell just minutes after he had blasted the MacLean piece during the 1st intermission on the Vancouver's Team 1040. I wasn't aware the NHL's disciplinarian made a habit of monitoring local broadcasts. The reactions continue to pour in, but if you would like to contact the CBC and let them know how you feel about what MacLean and the HNIC crew did, you can go to http://www.cbc.ca/contact or write them at Audience Relations, CBC P.O. Box 500 Station A Toronto, ON Canada, M5W 1E6. And please take a cue from the coach and keep it sane and focused. Ranting and profanity doesn't help in this situation, no matter how good it feels.
The Number 37
Not just the number worn by the much-loved buzzsaw of the Canucks, Rick Rypien. It's also the number of points needed by the Canucks to make the post-season according to an annual feature by one of this country's best hockey writers, The Globe & Mail's James Mirtle. His Playoff Push tracks the teams and what they will need to achieve in the standings to make it to the final 16 come April. According to Mirtle, the Canucks will need to go 18-15-1 to make it this year. Not bad, and obviously the next 2 weeks will have a huge impact on that, as 4 of their next 5 are at home before kicking off the Road Trip From Hell (tm) on the 30th in T.O. A great read from someone I have admired for a long time (a Kamloops kid like myself, too). And in case you're too lazy to click the link...
Western Conference (95 points)
1. Chicago - 11-21-1
2. San Jose - 12-20-1
3. Nashville - 17-17-0
4. Colorado - 17-16-1
5. Phoenix - 17-16-0
6. Vancouver - 18-15-1
7. Los Angeles - 19-15-0
8. Calgary - 18-14-1
9. Detroit - 19-14-1
10. Dallas - 22-12-0
11. St. Louis - 23-12-0
12. Minnesota - 22-11-0
13. Anaheim - 22-11-0
14. Columbus - 25-7-0
15. Edmonton - 29-6-0
Eastern Conference (89 points)
1. New Jersey - 12-24-0
2. Buffalo - 12-23-1
3. Washington - 11-22-1
4. Pittsburgh - 14-18-0
5. Boston - 17-17-1
6. NY Rangers - 18-15-0
7. Ottawa - 18-14-1
8. Philadelphia - 20-15-0
9. Atlanta - 20-15-0
10. NY Islanders - 19-14-1
11. Montreal - 19-12-1
12. Florida - 20-13-1
13. Tampa Bay - 21-13-1
14. Toronto - 24-9-0
15. Carolina - 27-8-0
So... any thoughts on the game Wednesday? The Canucks start their week on humpday with a visit to a team that is spiraling so out of control even the most pessimistic prognosticator could have predicted this. The Oilers are playing like a team that's down a couple goals from the moment the puck drops. Even when they have a lead, they lack the confidence to hold it, as we saw against Pittsburgh the other night. Often teams like this are dangerous, as they get to a point where they give up playoff aspirations and set out to simply destroy that of others however they can. I don't think the Oilers are quite in spoiler mode just yet, but like any other cellar dweller the Canucks can't afford to take them lightly.
The boys in blue return home the next night to face a Dallas Stars team fighting hard to stay within striking distance of 8th place. In the real world, they wouldn't have a sniff, but in Gary Bettman's NHL, a team with 8 more total losses than wins can always have hope. The Canucks beat the Stars to kick off the New Year with a 3-1 win in Big D, but with Dallas potentially not having Brendan Morrow and Jere Lehtinen, who were both injured in Saturday's controversial shootout win over the Red Wings, the Canucks might look to rack up back to back wins here.
A day off and then one of the biggest and most anticipated matches of the season as the Chicago Blackhawks return to GM Place. Bitter playoff memories aside, this will be an amazing game as two of the league's most high-powered offenses go head to head. The Canucks certainly have a shot in this one, as the stelar goaltending Chicago has had with Annti Niemi and Cristobal Huet is starting to show signs of being human, the 'Hawks needing to outscore their opponents to get the wins lately ala the Edmonton Oilers in Gretzky's era. Expect a full tilt battle all night long for a little bragging rights and some payback. Make sure and check back with Nucks Misconduct for full pregame reports.
Cormier disgraces himself and hockey
A few weeks ago he was the Captain of Team Canada at the World Junior Championships in Saskatoon. Today Patrice Cormier may find himself being charged after a sickening hit on Mikeal Tam during a QMJHL game last night.
It's extremely difficult to watch. Tam came close to dying last night, according to reports. It just baffles me how a player could just jump off the bench and try to eviscerate someone like that. I haven't heard of anything between the two that led up to the hit, but it's not a bad guess if you think Patrice Cormier may have sealed the fate of his own career with that hit.
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A hat tip
to ThomasPratt for the cbc comment link… thank you, Sir
http://waachcast.blogspot.com/ < WAACHCast Blog
by canucklehead666 on Jan 18, 2010 8:38 AM PST reply actions
Well, while I’m on a hot streak, if the CBC gives you some sort of lilly-livered response, don’t forget you can also complain to the Canadian Broadcasting Standards Council (Complaint form here).
I’m sure they’ll appreciate getting an HNIC complaint that does not involve Don Cherry
Thanks, Thomas. I just filed a complaint there.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 18, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
thanks again Thomas
just sent off my letter to the CBSC and CBC
http://waachcast.blogspot.com/ < WAACHCast Blog
by canucklehead666 on Jan 18, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
This is his third elbow in the past month.
And they have gotten progressively worse. Definitely a bad sign. There is absolutely no way these kinds of plays can be defended.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 18, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
That was one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever seen during a game. Far worse than what the Liambas kid did in the OHL.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
Yeah, I was just watching that Liambas clip again and thinking…well if Liambas got a season-long suspension then Cormier is fukt. But that was Cormier’s first major this year was it not?
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 18, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
No idea, Sean. I only follow the Q enough to know that they do things…err…diferently out there.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
Remember Messier and Howe used to throw those kinds of elbows? Or Bure on Churla.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 18, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
They did, but they’re also pros. I’m all in favor of having stricter punishments for those kinds of things in Juniors and college.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 18, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
Liambas
and that’s why I have one of those options on the poll. Liambas went from being suspended by the OHL to playing pro in (I think) the IHL. He recently got a 5 game suspension for a hit from behind. If you’re gonna suspend the guy, do it right and get minor leagues to sign on and not let this guy play…
http://waachcast.blogspot.com/ < WAACHCast Blog
by canucklehead666 on Jan 18, 2010 8:59 AM PST reply actions
Off topic from Cormier...
"I"m not going to look at it, search for it or anything," Burrows said after the Canucks’ SuperSkills contest. "I’m just trying to move on and get this behind me, try to focus on the things I can control and that’s playing well on Wednesday."
Burrows, it should be pointed out, is speaking out the best way he can: With 11 goals in his past seven games, he’s matched the entire goal-output of the Calgary Flames during the same span.
and...
Jarome Iginla is responsible for NONE of those 11 goals… just sayin’
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by canucklehead666 on Jan 18, 2010 9:05 AM PST reply actions
Botchford tweeted this morning
That Burr has been called for diving twice in 333 NHL games… once by Stefane Auger
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by canucklehead666 on Jan 18, 2010 9:08 AM PST reply actions
Get Botch on this show!
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
Just cause he’s only been caught twice. Or more accurately once doesn’t mean he has only dived once.
by Section 312 on Jan 18, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Spin!
Just because I was caught speeding once does not mean i speed…eh Section?
Specious reasoning….
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
It wasn’t spin. I was just pointing out that the logic doesn’t ad up. You can’t say Burr has only been called for diving twice so he isn’t a diver. It doesn’t work that way.
by Section 312 on Jan 18, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
It doesn’t work your way either my friend.
You are employing the same logic as MacLean, with no context.
As someone else pointed out, he doesn’t hit from behind, he doesn’t carve people with his stick, and he does not intentionally try to hurt his opponents.
Have you ever seen Miettinen play for the Wild? He almost ended a player’s career this week by puling back on his shoulder and putting his stick in the guy’s skates while going for an icing call.
Burrows has never done that. He plays 100% and beyond a little.
But he plays with honour. because he knows how tough it is to get to the “show”!
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
I provided context on the other thread when I posted videos of Burrows diving. Two of them. So is mt logic OK now?
by Section 312 on Jan 18, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
point out where I said he wasn’t a diver…
he dives, he just doesn’t get called on it… so perhaps he isn’t the terrible person he is made out to be, or he would have been called more often, no?
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by canucklehead666 on Jan 18, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
You posted the tweet with no context. Therefore I assume you were implying that Botch’s tweet was some sort of evidence that Burrows wasn’t a diver. Then the next post had a picture of the Mythbusters. So I was responding to you and to smoboy.
by Section 312 on Jan 18, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, hey, I was posting that picture tongue in cheek. I’m not getting involved, I’m quite happy up here on the fence.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
I apologize then I didn’t realize that was tongue in cheek. My bad.
by Section 312 on Jan 18, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Your logic would equally apply to every other player n the league, as well, including those who’ve been penalized and those who haven’t, alike.
Just because Section 312 hasn’t been convicted of slander doesn’t mean he hasn’t done it….
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
To be honest, I probably have slandered.
by Section 312 on Jan 18, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
you’re shooting the messenger, Section… it’s not about Burr. This is classic American political attack politics: You can’t believe anything X says, here’s why…
http://waachcast.blogspot.com/ < WAACHCast Blog
by canucklehead666 on Jan 18, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
What? I have said thousands of times that I believe Burrows. I was just pointing out the flaws in the logic. I mean maybe Phaneuf has only been called for one or two slashing majors. I wouldn’t be able to argue that he wasn’t a dirty player.
by Section 312 on Jan 18, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with Section..again. The diving calls don’t mean squat. Burrows dives and embellishes and gets away with it a lot. Kesler isn’t much better. Call a spade a spade.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 18, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Goaltending controversy in Dallas?
Alex Auld is making his 2nd straight start after Turco has recently allowed 10 goals on 47 shots. This won’t fuel those rumours about Turco possibly waiving his NTC though…
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/hockey/stars/stories/DN-starsqt_17spo.ART.State.Edition2.4c2185d.html
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by canucklehead666 on Jan 18, 2010 9:21 AM PST reply actions
and out come those who would defend Ron MacLean
make sure you have a bucket nearby for this vomit-inducing swill
http://www.truthandrumours.net/2010/01/17/cbc-responds-to-accusations-by-canucks-coach/
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by canucklehead666 on Jan 18, 2010 10:23 AM PST reply actions
Thanks for the truthandrumours page, canucklehead666. What interested and pleased me most were the comments, all condemning the article. There are some wise folks out there. I wonder the percentage of folks watching who bought the bs and consider Burrows to reside in Averyland
by Bobby Canuck on Jan 18, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Someone should put together three videos and send them to Maclean and others:
The Burrows video, only using Mark Messier
The Burrows video, only using Alex Ovechkin
The Burrows video, only using Tie Domie (who Ron has a crazy mancrush on, no?)
The point being that anyone could complete assassinate any NHL player by only showing their dives, cheap plays, mistakes, idiot moves. ANY NHL player. Except maybe Gretzky, although he had his share of dives. It’s assinine to me that anyone would buy that slanderous tape, but I guess it makes sense as the typical HNIC viewer never gets to see Burr actually play hockey unless he has a highlite. Yeah, he’s an agitator. Just like about 25% of the NHL….it’s his job. Things Burrows never does, tho: Hit from behind, hit leaving his feet, dangerous stick work (at least not on purpose), elbows up, knee contact…should I go on? Let’s put together a video of ALL this years dangerous plays and send it to Ron…I bet Burrows isn’t even on it…unless he’s on the recieving end.
That’s exactly it. You could show a video of any NHL player who has played over 100 games and find three or four videos of cheap shots/ embellishments/ and trash-talking. Burrows, for being an NHL ‘pest’, plays the game the right way and is not really a dirty player. His biggest sin is embellishment and even with that you can find tons of guys in the league who are guilty of that. Hell, even on the Canucks Kesler probably has been called more for diving and Luongo is guilty of embellishment also (although lots of goalies are).
I think Burrows has become the poster boy for a league wide problem and that is unfair. Moreover Colin Campbell seemed to provide good answers to how they deal with diving and to me based on his responses I feel that the refs have it down pretty well.
MacLean, if he was truly interested in providing ‘context’ for the issue, should have discussed Auger’s shady past as well and not just taken a swing at Burrows’ reputation, real or imagined.
He has left his feet on occasion but I do agree with you about Burrows. I don’t think he is overly dirty either. I don’t think he is a diver either as I have said before. He embellishes from time to time but the way they went on and on at HNIC you would think he was the dirtiest player in the league. Not to mention the two worst offenses by McLean, telling the world what Burrows said to Luongo and the trainer without any proof that what McLean was saying was in fact what Burrows had said and the other big offense for me was his use of words like, “we all agree….” Who is the we? You and your co-workers? You and the NHL? Horrible journalism. If you can even call it that.
And why was he so outraged that Burrows in the playoffs was skating around the goalie trying to get in his head? If the Refs are going to let him skate around the goalie why wouldn’t he try to rattle him? If Messier or someone else had done it then they would have gone on and on about his will to win and doing anything to get an edge and that makes him a great leader. It was disgusting from McLean especially since as a Ref he knows what gets said on the ice. He acted like Burrows is the first player to talk trash on the ice. Show me someone who has NEVER talked trash on the ice and then we will have a first.
by Section 312 on Jan 18, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Here is a point to consider:
Borrows earned his rep as a third line checking winger on one of the most annoying checking lines in the game for a season and a half and he drove some really good players crazy doing that job. He’s not just that guy any more. He’s a 20+ goal scoring first line winger who plays an intelligent game. He may still be annoying, but he’s not nearly as much of a pest as he used to be. There are piles of players who never graduate from their pure agitator job… Burrows has.
Well he has graduated from it somewhat, not completely. He’s still an agitator. He still beaks off and embellishes.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 18, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
The fact that MacLean (no ‘virtue mine honor’ for him, eh?) had to resort to character attacks indicates that he couldn’t build a case based on facts. Pound the table, Ron.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Simple
Ban the kid from ever even playing beer league hockey for 20 year minimum and charge the kid with assault. Hes a repeat offender who needs to be made an example of.
He should be scared to walk in the streets from fears of canadian hockey fans spitting on him. Its disgraceful.
I don’t like the cops coming into this shit. Now way. The League should police itself. A ban will suffice.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 18, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
I think people need to settle down. This is a horrible incident and Cormier should be suspended for a long time. But hockey is an extremely fast game and it looks to me like Cormier was going for a big open ice hit, realized he was going to miss and so stuck out his elbow instinctively. Or maybe he was trying to land a big hit and just made a mistake in his footwork or timing that turned this from a big open ice hit into a horrific incident. But again hockey is a very fast sport and these things will happen from time to time. What needs to happen is a clear message needs to be sent that it isn’t OK to lead with you elbow, or to stick out your elbow like he did. If you go for the big hit and miss tough luck but you can’t stick out elbows, legs or anything else. A message also has to be sent that leaving your feet on a hit isn’t acceptable either. But to say this
He should be scared to walk in the streets from fears of canadian hockey fans spitting on him. Its disgraceful.is uncalled for and classless. I have no doubt that Cormier is going through hell right now and wishes he had never started playing hockey to begin with. hopefully Tam is OK and Cormier can find a way to get back to living a normal life after serving a lengthy and deserved suspension. Horrible hit with terrifying results but let’s not lose sight of the fact that we have all made mistakes and that we are lucky those mistakes haven’t occurred at those speeds.
And as Sean rightly points out if you think Cormier is disgraceful and should be spit on, did you have the same reaction to this….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZCuZ5UWEV0
by Section 312 on Jan 18, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Did you forget the fact that this punk kid has now done this type of elbowing incident twice on a very serious level.
He did it to a swedish (I belive) player in the international tourny also. The end result was not as ugly, but the intent to use an elbow in the same way a jouster would use a javlin to impail his opponents head is exactly the same in both incidents.
This is why there is so much hate toward this kid right now. To many of us that watch those videos of his elbow hits we see direct, blatant, intentional cause to seriously injure, if not take a player directly out of the game, or even as far as end a persons career.
THERE IS NO CHANCE IN HELL, you can sit there and defend your statment that he was “going for a big open ice hit, realized he was going to miss and so stuck out his elbow instinctively”…. Have you ever played hockey? You dont lead with your elbow to begin with. If you do, your plainly and simply trying to hurt someone. Which, im assuming you were also that type of player since you find that kind of move quote “instinctual”.
That is the mindset that needs to be systematicly removed from the player base, starting by life time bans from the game for supporting this mindset, and letting it comeout on the ice.
Disgraceful.
by Jesse Taylor on Jan 18, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that was a blatant no-excuses elbow for sure!
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 18, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
I agree that there are no excuses for what happened. The kid needs to be suspended for a long time. And I am not trying to make excuses so hopefully that’s not how it is coming across. Terrible hit and god willing Tam will be OK and won’t miss much hockey. It is a fast game though and you need to keep that in mind. Suspend Cormier for a long ass time and send a message. Make sure Tam knows that we are on his side and behind him and what happened to him is unacceptable. But let’s also remember that Cormier is a kid who made a mistake and while deservedly will pay a price doesn’t deserve to be spit on or any other such nonsense.
by Section 312 on Jan 18, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Did you even read what I wrote? I said it was horrible and the guy should be suspended for a long time. But since I did play hockey and wasn’t a dirty player I know that sometimes at the last second you realize your going to miss a guy with a hit and don’t want to let an odd man advantage go the other way so your instinct is to get a body part on the guy to slow him down or take him out of the play. That is the instinct that I was talking about. So instinctively you try to get something from your body in the way of the guy skating past you. After I wrote that I then wrote that that very instinct is what needs to be taken out of the game. That a long suspension needs to be handed out so when guys go for big open ice hits and miss they know that they have to let the guy go by them otherwise they will get suspended. I also stated that maybe Cormier lined up the hit wring, got his foot work wrong or any number of other things that might have caused him to, in the split second, make a terrible decision. A decision for which he should be suspended for a long time. Justifiably. But it was a split second play. When Cormier’s elbow starts going up on the video above I hit pause. And it paused on the connection between the elbow and the head of Tam. It’s less than a tenth of a second so let’s not hang a kid out to dry. Watch the video again and tell me that I am wrong that at 1:04 Cormier decides he can get Tam in open ice with a hit. At 1:05 Cormier is committed to the hit and Tam is already in the process of avoiding it. At 1:06 the hit is delivered in the wrong way with horrible results. Such a fast game when that all happens in less than 2 seconds.
As I said we all make mistakes. I am sure you have done something in your life you are ashamed of and you wish you could take back. Are you disgraceful? Or are you just human? Since I know you are human and I know you have made mistakes in your life I will be sure to spit on you the next time I see you on the street.
Do you honestly think that this Cormier kid was trying to end someones career? That’s the kind of hyperbole that doesn’t help in these situations. Cormier did incredible damage to a young man who didn’t deserve it and this situation needs to be dealt with swiftly and Cormier should not play hockey again for a long time. But let’s pause before we vilify a young man who made a mistake he will have to live with for the rest of his life.
And will you respond to the Bure clip? Or are you implying that Bure’s hit was OK cause he was a Canuck and the guy wasn’t badly hurt?
by Section 312 on Jan 18, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Yes man, I belive he was trying injure if not cripple both the players he has used elbows on, in both situations. Even more so on the swede who managed to walk away from the incident, and now one other person can not.
The speed of which the incidents happen makes not different to me. If as you say, you can be commited to a hit and dont have enough time to react, then how is it in both situations he was able to raise his elbow and connect solidly with the face of both players, in that split second you talk about. Your logic doesnt connect, if he has to time to raise his elbow in direct line with someone face. In other words, its 100% intentional, blatant, pre-planned and bordering on criminal.
by Jesse Taylor on Jan 18, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
Have I done things in hockey that got me 10 min misconducts, you bet.
Have I raised my elbow intentionally (twice on video) in a fashion to hit someone in the face? Not a chance in hell.
by Jesse Taylor on Jan 18, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Well in my opinion you are wrong. There is no way this was 100& intentional and pre-planned. But I respect your opinion and you have every right to have that opinion. So let’s just leave it at that.
A
ll the stuff you wrote about spitting on him etc etc is disgraceful too.
At any point though are you going to respond to what I said about Bure and Churla?
by Section 312 on Jan 18, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Its a sticky situation, lots of people are very concerned about this type of thing in hockey. Im overboard with the spitting comments, but its what Im thinking inside, probably wouldnt ever act it out.
Sorry man, at work cant get to youtube right now. Might answer at home if I remember the blog.
by Jesse Taylor on Jan 18, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
No worries. I understand the anger and frustration and seeing Tam on the ice. I have said many times that punishments need to be harsher, in terms of fines or game time missed, but I also have made mistakes in my life and I know how no one can punish someone as much as they punish themselves. I think Cormier must be going through hell and deservedly so but I don’t want to make it worse for him. Does that make sense? Anyway important things are Tam gets better quickly and is OK and Cormier doesn’t play hockey for a long time. On that we can all agree.
by Section 312 on Jan 18, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
Totally understand your “dont want to make it worse” comment. I mean, if people were to act on my comment and run out and spit on the kid, he might regress enough to do something tragic like commit suicide. No one wants that. Your right hes a kid. Mistakes are made and debts can be paid back.
The message needs to be that this isnt, nor was it ever, acceptable.
by Jesse Taylor on Jan 18, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
The message needs to be that this isnt, nor was it ever, acceptable.
My hope is that one day hockey at all levels and especially at the NHL level, because they set the example, gets this message. Suspensions need to be longer and more effort needs to be put in to make sure players know this kind of thing is dangerous and potentially fatal to the other guy.
by Section 312 on Jan 18, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Then the penalty box should have a zapper seat so that anyone in there feels instant punishment, which always works better….
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Or just send strong messages with your suspensions and do a better job teaching players respect at younger levels of hockey. But a zapper seat would be entertaining.
by Section 312 on Jan 18, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
To teach respect, the leadership must deserve it. Auger doesn’t, nor does the league that attempts to cover up what happened, nor do the so-called journos who carry the water.
How can kids learn respect from that? They won’t; they’ll learn cynicism and gamesmanship.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Well if you are letting the NHL, NHL Refs and Journalists raise your kids casual I weep for his or her futures.
Kids should learn respect from parents, relatives etc etc. Not on TV. I agree the league and Auger on this issue don’t deserve any respect but that doesn’t really have anything to do with punishing dirty hits strongly so that players start to get the message that they can’t get away with it anymore. And if NHL players stop doing it trust me younger players will too.
by Section 312 on Jan 18, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
And ya, Bure’s hit was totally wrong. Simple as that.
Is there two video’s of Bure doing the same thing? Didnt think so.
by Jesse Taylor on Jan 18, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Who cares how many times he did it? He should have been suspended for a long time for an unacceptable hit just like Cormier should. But is Bure disgraceful to hockey and his country and should people spit on Bure when they see him on the streets?
by Section 312 on Jan 18, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
You dont understand to concept of repeat offending do you? If bure had done that more than once, Id be all over his ass too, and disown him as a canuck.
by Jesse Taylor on Jan 18, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
I understand just fine. But I don’t think the fact he has made a bad hit before should impact on this incident. Especially since that incident wasn’t in a game that the QMJHL has control or jurisdiction over. Both hits, as well as Bure’s, are terrible and punishment is needed and deserved.
by Section 312 on Jan 18, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
“Both hits, as well as Bure’s, are terrible and punishment is needed and deserved.”
Agreed
by Jesse Taylor on Jan 18, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
I sent the following message to CBC (I figured I’d post it here so somebody might read it, because I doubt anyone at CBC will):
Dear CBC,
Ron McLean’s comments regarding Canucks forward Alex Burrows on the most recent Hockey Night in Canada broadcast were surprising to me, given the source. I think of Mr. McLean as the reasonable “straight man” to Don Cherry, and I’ve always had a good opinion of him.
But the following struck me as unfair:
1. Declaring that “we all agree” that Stephane Auger could not have said that he was going to “get” Burrows. The only reason we’re still talking about the incident is that we don’t all agree. Burrows might be a liar, or Auger might. What reason do we have to think it more likely that Burrows is the liar?
2. This is where McLean’s video montage of Burrows’ past transgressions comes in. McLean shows us various incidents of Burrows’ misbehavior, including putative “diving” and embellishing, and we are to infer that Burrows is an unreliable source. Fair enough, I suppose, in the context of offering an opinion on the subject, but McLean’s speculation about what Burrows said to his teammates and trainers after the Smithson hit was unwarranted and unfair.
From the video McLean shows us, we can’t read Burrows’ lips or even see his facial expression. Why would anyone suppose that he is saying what McLean suggests, instead of talking about how he feels, whether he might be injured, or even what bar they should check out after the game? If McLean meant to be funny, this would be OK, but it didn’t come across that way.
I read that HNIC executive producer Sherali Najak has responded to criticism of McLean’s commentary as follows:
"We merely tried to dig deeper into this story. There is no agenda for us in this debate. There was a lot of talk all week about the incident from that night. Ron did a lot of research that suggests you have look at the history of the two, and of Burrows. We just presented the facts."
This may have been what Najak had in mind, but that’s not how the show turned out. To be clear, I don’t think there’s any problem with McLean’s presenting something other than “just the facts” — I usually like to hear his opinions, as well as those of other HNIC commentators. But in this case, his opinions amounted to a hatchet job on Burrows.
That’s objectionable in itself. Although Burrows is no angel, we should content ourselves with criticizing him for the things he has clearly done, and refrain from inventing evidence of malingering or announcing that “we all agree” that he is a liar.
Moreover, attacking Burrows only serves to distract attention from the most significant issue in the story, which is the integrity of officiating in the NHL. If McLean thinks there are no interesting questions to pursue with respect to that topic, I don’t know why he didn’t just leave the story alone.
Sincerely,
[Nyuk’s real name]
Well I am disgusted with the lot of you
not one single comment on the playoff push lol
I’ve read this feature a couple years now and I like that he starts tracking this early on, and the impact a loss or a win can have on another team’s chances. Thoughts on 37 points, anyone? Is it a given, or is this road trip too much to bear?
http://waachcast.blogspot.com/ < WAACHCast Blog
by canucklehead666 on Jan 18, 2010 5:33 PM PST reply actions
It’s do-able for a team like the Canucks.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Totally do-able. Our team is good enough to get the job done.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 18, 2010 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
We’ll all get some grey hairs from it though, I do predict that. The West is a bitch.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 18, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
I mean hell, if we have to be 3 games above 500 for the rest of the way…could have been a lot worse. Could have been better too, DAMNED OCTOBER LOSING STREAK!
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 18, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
I really think they are gonna surprise some people on this road trip…not like run the table surprise, but the olympic break will allow some of the players to rest, and it’s not like they haven’t prepared for this all year.
http://waachcast.blogspot.com/ < WAACHCast Blog
by canucklehead666 on Jan 18, 2010 7:11 PM PST reply actions
less than halfway thru the first...
and Kiprusix has let in two already, plus it looks like the leafs are going to help us by beating the preds in regulation (!) if they can hang on…
http://waachcast.blogspot.com/ < WAACHCast Blog
by canucklehead666 on Jan 18, 2010 7:22 PM PST reply actions
and in other news
the oilers are still bloody awful
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by canucklehead666 on Jan 18, 2010 7:22 PM PST reply actions
I don’t. I hope we make it 16 of 17 on Wednesday
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 18, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, you’re right. They’ve won enough throughout the ’80s, often slaughtering us.
As Mikael put it, “they can go fuck themselves.”
Poutine & Meatballs
by cyxj on Jan 18, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I knew we brought that guy here for something...
Thats the Stanley Cup Experience talking!
Ha! rec’d
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
Sharks 9 Flames 1
Conroy, Phaneuf, Nystrom and Glencross a combined -18
and just for those of you counting, that is the 20th game in Kiprusoff’s career where he has allowed 6 or more (hat tip to Trevor of The Internet Trashcan)
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by canucklehead666 on Jan 18, 2010 10:04 PM PST reply actions
I was about to comment on that.
Good thing I looked up. I got home after work, and was surprised by the score. and LOVED ALL of it.
by Vancouverguy on Jan 18, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
I do. hejduk is out for a good bit.
Edmonton is a team a lot of others have gotten points on…and yeah, they have been playing good.
But, without a vet leader in the room…I think they are one more injury away from a mini collapse…though I think they maybe got in 8th. Coyotes got clobbered tonight too, but I think they have more vets, and play that defensive style. I think THEY stay up where they are. Not too sure of those Preds…pretty impressive team.
Calgary looks to be in freefall. Maybe they just keep falling!
How has LA been lately? 5-5…while the AVs and Preds are 7-3 in their last 10. (Phx…4-4-2 )
Hmmm, maybe you are right Sean.
But I still think the Avs are the most fragile , the team most likely to lose their grip on the Top 8.
"Insult is the price of clarity"
His repeated use of this sentence suggests he thinks it’s more pithy, profound and powerful than it actually is. I’m not sure exactly what it means: "I’m being insulted because I was clear"? "I appeared to be insulting Burrows but actually I was just being clear"?
Greek to me. He may as well have said "Turnips are the price of sincerity." Or "Vaseline is the price of getting *****ed."
"narwal"
At this point, I’m not going to count the Preds out of the playoffs as long as they have solid D, G and Trotz.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 19, 2010 7:24 AM PST up reply actions
Craig Anderson should be runner-up Vezina on many nights. The guy is awesome.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 19, 2010 7:48 AM PST up reply actions
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