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A friend of mine once told me that being a Canucks fan was easy for him, as he was a sucker for punishment.  It just doesn't seem to get easier, does it kids?  Every time it looks like we can focus on some hockey and good, positive things about the team we love, in roll the black clouds.  How many hockey fans in North America can name the current league scoring leader?  And how many of them can tell you that Alex Burrows is worse than Sean Avery?

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This isn't complaining so much, though according to some "journalists" if we dare open our mouths out here on the wet coast about a slight towards our team, real or perceived, it's whining pure and simple.  Sometimes it feels like the media and a lot of other teams fans just sit there hovering over us, waiting for the opportunity to pounce.  Is that true?  Sometimes I wonder.  With the hockey world focused on Vancouver even more this year because of the Olympics, the Burrows/Auger incident gave them the opening they needed.  The attacks have come fast and furious, some to the point of ridiculousness.  We didn't get justice served in the Burrows incident, but a lot of us realized it wasn't about justice for Alex Burrows or even justice for the Vancouver Canucks.  It was about justice for the fans of this great game to know the game is decided solely by the play on the ice.  To know that a referee will call the game with a level hand, and not exact punishment because his ego or even reputation was tarnished in the past.  It has to be this way.  Without the correct and fair administration of law, there is no justice.  Is there anything else to say in the matter?  Nope.  We all have our opinions.  Fans continue to vent on both sides.  Media people for the most part continue to miss the point of the whole thing.  In the wake, we have people accusing Alain Vigneault of sending players out to fight in a game that was past the point where the Canucks (due to their effort level that night) could come back.  And who did this charge come from?  Minnesota's coach Todd Richards?  Their captain Mikko Koivu?  No, it came from Derek Boogaard.  The fact that anyone takes anything that comes from the mouth of the 6'8" troglodyte as fact is stunning in itself, but to try and manufacture a scandal out of this? 

Some even went so low as to compare this to the Bertuzzi incident.  And there it is.  The reason for the anger, the irrational (at times) hatred for the Vancouver Canucks.  A black mark on the franchise, for sure.  But all key players are gone from this team.  Moved on to other teams.  Some will come out and say it, never missing an opportunity to throw that into the face of a Canucks fan.  Others don't though, but you can't tell me it doesn't color their opinion.  There's a similarity here though, but much to some people's disappointment, it has nothing to do with Todd Bertuzzi.  It's the NHL.  Had they issued some kind of penalty to Steve Moore in the first place, this is a non-issue.  Here's where I have to put the disclaimer: I AM NOT BLAMING STEVE MOORE OR IMPLYING ANY PART OF BERUZZI'S ACTIONS WERE GOOD.  Clear enough for you?  I just believe that the NHL's justice department is a microcosm of the league itself.  Constantly trying to paint the picture of sunshine and lollipops, yet beneath the surface, it's hellfire.  A punishment to Auger for any of his actions that people could actually see, would have done a world of good.  The message sent was that Alex Burrows shouldn't have broken the rule about speaking to the media about officiating.  Fine, no problem there.  The fine was well deserved and the more I think about it, the more I am convinced he handled it the wrong way. 

But by trying to paint the picture of Auger as one of the league's most respected officials, is it any wonder no one ever thinks justice is done?  If Auger is one of the best, why has he not worked a playoff game the last 4 seasons.  Bob McKenzie of TSN had a good point, Auger was not the official who levelled the charge in the Shane Doan matter.  Yet when things got incredibly stupid, Auger left him out there to hang, and let the vultures circle and swarm not once, but twice.  That, along with the NHL's scolding of Burrows for sullying Auger's repuation and because he has a family, speaks volumes.  So that's it.  Not much more to say on the subject.  Wouldn't want to be accused of whining.  In a way, it's the same as it always is.  There's only one way they can shut them up.  In the mean time, just drop the damn puck.

Something to go with your coffee

Is it just me or are injuries up this year?  When you look at the injuries suffered by the Canucks, Red Wings, Bruins, Oilers, and now the Ducks, it seems like there's a spike in the number of players getting banged up.  The Ducks lost Teemu Selanne for 4-6 weeks with a broken jaw, and now Saku Koivu left the game last night with an undisclosed injury.  Speaking of the Ducks, Bobby Ryan might get a call from Colin Campbell for a hit on Oscar Moller of the Kings last night.  Ryan was given 2 for roughing, 5 for charging and a 10 minute misconduct for the hit with 7 seconds remaining in a 4-0 LA win.  The Rangers were shutout on back to back nights by Brodeur, only this time it wasn't Team Canada's starting goalie, it was Ottawa's Mike Brodeur.  I bet John Tortorella loved that one, and congrats to Brodeur on his 1st NHL shutout, he needs just 106 more to tie Marty's record.  Good Luck! 

It's not often I feel compassion for a player on a division rival, but you did have to feel for Edmonton's Devan Dubnyk.  The Oilers collapsed in front of him, allowing the 2-0 lead they had developed to disappear, and the Penguins scored late to steal a 3-2 win, sweeping Alberta.  The former Kamloops Blazers goalie managed to stare down Crosby and Malkin but in the end the Pens were just too much for the hapless Oilers.  The Leafs actually looked good last night dismantling the Flyers 4-0.  And yes, that was Vesa Toskela in net for the Leafs.  Make sure and take some Gravol reading the gushing coming from the center of the universe.  Given Dallas's inability to make any ground in the West lately, do you get the feeling the Stars are getting close to pulling the plug on their season?  There's rumblings from Big D that they might be looking at asking Marty Turco to waive his NTC.  Turco would make a nice pick up for a team looking to shore up their goaltending for a playoff run. 

Big chance for the Canucks to bounce back and get the focus back on hockey as the Sidney Crosby show comes to town.  Looking at the excitement we've seen with the visit of Ovechkin and now the Penguins, it's pretty pathetic that this is his 2nd visit to Vancouver in his career.  It should be a great game, something about these upper echelon teams that really brings out the best in the Canucks, and they have been very strong on HNIC this season.  Nucks Misconduct as always will have full pregame coverage, and as always we are all over any breaking news, so make sure to check back often.

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usually, I see things on CDC and...

I facepalm… but regardless of where you stand on the Burrows/Auger incident, I like this alot. http://ow.ly/WPKO Roger Nielson would be proud…

http://waachcast.blogspot.com/ < WAACHCast Blog

by canucklehead666 on Jan 15, 2010 8:08 AM PST reply actions  

The idea of fans bringing white towels to the Pens game is very intriguing.

by Sean Zandberg on Jan 15, 2010 9:49 AM PST reply actions  

agreed

if there were ever a more fitting time to bring the towels to the rink, it would be in the spirit he hoisted one on a stick in the first place

http://waachcast.blogspot.com/ < WAACHCast Blog

by canucklehead666 on Jan 15, 2010 9:52 AM PST reply actions  

Yes, the sight of white towels in the middle of the season would be something to behold.
Interesting idea.

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jan 15, 2010 10:10 AM PST reply actions  

Seems like an appropriate response. The message would be to the league- we are not convinced – we are not willing to let the incident pass unnoticed – we believe Burrows.

So here is a crazy theory.

Could it be possible that this is bigger than Auger? That the league itself is using referees to effect the outcome of games to keep certain teams down so the league owned team Phoenix can make into the post season? There is big money at stake in Phoenix and a play off run might help that franchise survive. Bettman has shown he will go a long way to ensure that they stay there and he has a lot at stake maybe his job.

Wouldn’t Vancouver be a logical choice as the patsy franchise or at least one of them? This is a city that misses the playoffs regularly and us fans still come out like clock work.

A crazy idea that is rolling around in my paranoid brain but it kind of fits together for me. Total speculation of course. Feel free to call me crazy I know this is totally out there.

by Kelownakid on Jan 15, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

That the league itself is using referees to effect the outcome of games to keep certain teams down so the league owned team Phoenix can make into the post season?

That’s quite a suggestion, and possible however very unlikely. Need some proof! I think that a lot of credit goes to Dave Tippett and the coaching staff for doing whatever Gretzky could not do: make the Coyotes play to their potential. I doubt they need anyone to fix games for them.

by Sean Zandberg on Jan 15, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Quite simply, the league may be messed up, but they are not that stupid.

The league would be thrilled if Phoenix makes the playoffs, but Phoenix is in playoff position thanks to Bryzgalov. And I’m fairly certain they won’t be in playoff position come playoff time anyways.

by Jevant on Jan 15, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe really hope you guys are right. No doubt Dave Tippet is a good coach. Just saying is a possible explanation. It would also explain the total support for Auger and why the Canucks seem to get the rough side of the calls most nights.

I just have a feeling something bigger is happening here. One mans opinion. Like I say call me crazy if you like.

by Kelownakid on Jan 15, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

well if you are right, you better start your own religion! ;)

by Sean Zandberg on Jan 15, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

hmmm my own religion. I kind of like the sound of that :)

by Kelownakid on Jan 15, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

In the beginning, there was nothing, and KelownaKid said, “let there be light,” and there was still nothing, but now you could see it.

[See? It’s a trickier job than you thought!]

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Jan 15, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Homer did it one episode how hard can it be?

by Kelownakid on Jan 15, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn’t Homer fuck it up in some delightfully ironic way tho’?

The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:

We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"

by vancitydan on Jan 15, 2010 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I just can’t believe that the US Courts allowed the NHL to purchase the Phoenix franchise and create such a glaring conflict of interest. The NHL has a vested interest to see the Coyotes make the playoffs, there are tens of millions of dollars at stake, depending on the outcome.

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jan 15, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree Attila and Bettman has so much personally invested with that public no holds barred legal battle to keep the yotes in Phoenix.

by Kelownakid on Jan 15, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you think he is willing to risk going to jail? I mean is his job really on the line? He survived an entire canceled season and ended up getting the cap that the owners wanted. I think he is on a pretty long leash. He can afford for the Yotes to lose money for a couple season before he finds an owner.

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

There are many who have a hate on for Bettman (like Balsillie) who have the will and the money to take the league to court if they felt there was a conflict of interest going on and the fact is they haven’t challenged the league’s purchasing the Coyotes. The league management is incompetent, misguided, blundering, and in some ways corrupt but it keeps on ticking. Jim Morrison said, “They’ve got the guns but we’ve got the numbers.” Well, the guns won. From the earliest moments of the morning after the Nashville game it was evident from the way TSN was presenting the story that the call was in to make Burrows the villain. They’ll get away with it as they’ve gotten away with screwing up the NHL all these years.

by Bobby Canuck on Jan 15, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

the wife said at the start of the season “just watch… phoenix wins the cup this year”
she doesn’t trust bettman at all…

http://waachcast.blogspot.com/ < WAACHCast Blog

by canucklehead666 on Jan 15, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I was made fun of a couple days ago for having the temerity to suggest that Canucks fans love a good conspiracy theory. This one doesn’t even make much sense. The Canucks have made the playoffs what 7 out of the last 10 times? We only sell out now cause Crawford, Nazzy and company turned the franchise around. In the late 90s that building was half full at best and you could get tickets at Safeway on game day for 5 bucks. So calling us a patsy franchise is a bit much. “Misses the playoffs regularly” is a little strange.

Maybe the NHL does want the Yotes to do well but I doubt they had much to do with Tippett installing a better system and Bryzgalov playing like an MVP.

This seems to me to be another example of Canucks fans having a bit of an inferiority complex. Oh yeah and looking to make excuses. Oh and thinking everyone is out to get us.

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think that anybody doubts that the Coyotes are in the standings where they are, because they are playing well and because the good coaching job. So far, management did a great job to turn their losing ways around.

But the fact still is, that the League is invested in them making the playoff. So, they will help them as much as they can, at any level possible. I am not saying illegally, but in any way possible. If only takes a slight breeze to put them over the bump, that breeze will blow their way, no doubt. That is just human nature.

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jan 15, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Can you explain what you think the NHL can do legally to help the Yotes make the playoffs?

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Let’s just say, any time when there is a judgment call to be made on or off the ice, and theoretically the call could be made either way, the odds will not be 50:50, but may be 51:49 (just like betting against the house in a casino). Nothing illegal about it, but the house just has a slight edge.

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jan 15, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

But if they told their officials to call it that way then it’s illegal.

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

If you really think there is any way the league is going out of their way to give the Yotes an advantage and you really think that Auger was out to get Burrows and intentionally and maliciously used his position as an official to cost the Canucks a game then how can you stand to still be a fan of this sport? I am not trying to be a dick here I am actually wondering what is bringing you back to hockey? I really feel that if I believed that something like that was going on, a multi-pronged conspiracy to screw over certain teams, I would wash my hands of the NHL and find something else to do with my time. Maybe that’s why I am so steadfastly trying to defend the NHL. I don’t know.

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

If they really wanted the Yotes to win the cup they’d spend that extra 15 mil in cap space they still have.

by marcness52 on Jan 15, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s an interesting point.

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

So, just remember: Playing against the Coyotes = playing against Bettman :)

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jan 15, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I really don’t think that’s the case. But maybe I am naive. The NHL is just holding the Yotes until they find a buyer. It helps if the team is good. But in terms of finding a buyer it might be better if the team is shitty and then worth less. If they are just trying to unload it.

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

If you owned a team, and tried to sell it, wouldn’t you want your investment to go up in value? I bet you would. More money to the League, more benefits for their employees. This is as simple as it gets.
The other day my employer told me that the level of raises and benefits I get depends on how much money the company has.It’s the same everywhere.

A winning team, with a larger fan base, is much more valuable than a losing one, with no fan base. When looking for a new owner, a team with a winning record will be much more attractive sell, at any time.

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jan 15, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah but if that investment was losing 50 million a year I would just want to get rid of it as soon as possible. The yotes have already lost 20-25 million this season. There is no way their value will ever go up enough that the NHL makes money off this deal. So wouldn’t they want to get rid of the losing commodity as soon as possible?

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

it doesn matter how much was lost. the important thing is that the end of the day, everyone knows that Bettman was right and everyone else was wrong.

http://waachcast.blogspot.com/ < WAACHCast Blog

by canucklehead666 on Jan 15, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Listen I hate Bettman as much as the next guy and wish he was as far away from this league as possible. And I thought they should have let Blackberry have his team. But I doubt Bettman gives two shits if the Yotes makes the playoffs. He is too busy giving hand jobs to the owners of the Rangers, Bruins and Wings.

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Bettman promised to the world that the the Phoenix ares deserves, and can support an NHL team. He was adamantly against moving the team to Ontario.
So, unless he wants to look a complete idiot, he must care about how well the Coyotes are doing. If they keep losing, and remain the laughing stock of the league, how will they attract enough fan base to make it in the South West?

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jan 15, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Typo: “the Phoenix area”

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jan 15, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

He did whatever it took to make sure Ballsilly didn’t get his team and move it to Canada. I think he gives two shits about where the Yotes are if someone he likes owns them and moves them to somewhere in the States.

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Yepp, and a losing team is easier to move. If the team is winning it might actually be damned hard to move.

by rsm on Jan 15, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you’re underestimating the massive ego of Napoleon Gary Bettman

http://waachcast.blogspot.com/ < WAACHCast Blog

by canucklehead666 on Jan 15, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think anyone does at this point in time, it’s just not particularly relevant.

by rsm on Jan 15, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

So wouldn’t they want to get rid of the losing commodity as soon as possible?

Of course they want to minimize their losses. If they could sell it today, I am sure they would do it. But there is no opportunity to sell right now. So, in the meantime, all they can do is to improve the business, and increase its value.

There is no way their value will ever go up enough that the NHL makes money off this deal

But there always a way to reduce their loss, by creating a better product. The Coyotes is a no-name brand, unlike the Maple Leafs, or the Rangers, so the only value lies in the quality of product that they can sell, and not in the name itself. Better product on the ice = better value for the team.

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jan 15, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

But the poinbt is no matter how well they do on the ice their value isn’t going to go up. Owners of NHL teams don’t pay for a good team on the ice. They pay for number of season ticket holders, length of wait list for season tickets, number of luxury boxes sold etc etc etc. Average attendance this season…10,732 (60.3%) and they are winning. There is no way the NHL can improve the value of the Yotes unless they own it long term and sink hundreds of millions of dollars in losses into the team. They aren’t willing to do that.

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s right. They pay for the strenght of the fan base: season ticket holders, boxes, etc.
Which team is likely to attract a larger fan base? A winning or a losing team?

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jan 15, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

In Phoenix? Nothing. As I pointed out. The fans don’t come out either way.

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

There was a discussion about this in the War Room, on satellite radio. The consensus was that winning won’t make a difference in the beginning, but things will start changing if the team keep winning year after year. Look at LA, San Jose, etc. There was no tradition here, but things are different now.

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jan 15, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

How do you know when did they win?

by Kelownakid on Jan 15, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

They are winning now. This season. 10,000 fans coming out and that the number the yotes are releasing which means there will be some inflation there. You know they must give away a shit load of tickets like the Grizzlies used to do. 14,000 people in GM Place and only 8,000 paid to be there.

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

You are right, the fan base increase takes time. It won’t happen over a month or two. But what if they don’t sell them in the next couple of years? The longer they keep winning, it will eventually start making a monetary difference

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jan 15, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

But they lose 50 million a year. So the longer they keep them the more the value has to increase. 3 years from now they would have to sell for 270 million to break even. There are only about 5 teams worth that much in the entire league. 10,732 (60.3%) The NHL is just looking to dump this team on someone else they aren’t trying to improve them. The Canucks are worth 230./

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

But they lose 50 million a year.

I am a CPA/CGA (accountant), so when I see the $50 million loss, believe me, it can mean a lot of things. A huge portion of that loss can come from such items as amortization of intangible assets, etc. – basically a paper loss that does’t affect cash.
So I don’t put too much faith in these numbers released from the cuff of their shirt.
We don’t have the “confidential” version of their financial statements – that would tell the “real story”.

My point is that it always makes financial sense to improve the brand/product, no matter how long one is invested in it.

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jan 15, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

The value of the franchise will fluxuate with things like seasons tickets base. Nothing drives season tickets sales like good playoff run.

by Kelownakid on Jan 15, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Its not about making money in Pheonix it about keeping the loses below some set target. Remember it is the owners money that Bettman is playing with. They have no buyer Section they need make the team viable then they can get out from under it. The sooner they do that the less they lose.

by Kelownakid on Jan 15, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

My point was if I wanted to buy the team I would want to get it as cheap as possible. And a losing team would be worth less. Then I could bargain with Bettman and pay more than the franchise is worth in order to be able to move it to a viable market. But that’s just me.

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Right but the League is the seller not the buyer so they are motivated to work in the other direction.

by Kelownakid on Jan 15, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s right. We are talking from the League’s perspective, not the buyer’s.

Los Angeles, CA

by AttilaS on Jan 15, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

My point was if they are just trying to unload the team. Note the “if”

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Right on, Section 312. The only thing to look to is winning consistently. You gotta give Burke lots of credit for the turnaround of the franchise as well as the team and coach.

by Bobby Canuck on Jan 15, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

and what better way to silence Bettman’s critics if the team he championed to save rose up, against all odds (cue the music here) when everyone else had written them off, after writing off an evil foe determined to bring them to CANADA (cut to picture of Balsille grinning menacingly) (cut to Jovanovski standing with a small child) kid: Jovo, my daddy said you’re leaving? Say it ain’t so Jovo coughs all I wanna do is see the Phoenix Coyotes raise the cup before I die….
Jovo: Uh, don’t you worry… Kid. We ain’t goins nowhere…
(cue on-ice montage) As the Phoenix Coyotes, led by the courageous league owner who never gave up on them (Journey’s “Don’t Stop Believin’” plays in the background), win the most coveted prize in hockey…

or maybe Detroit will win again

http://waachcast.blogspot.com/ < WAACHCast Blog

by canucklehead666 on Jan 15, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Nothing like a good conspiracy debate. Well thanks for not calling me crazy. Section i am proud of you for hating Bettman. There is hope for you after all. When I said the Canucks have missed the playoffs regularly I was talking over the longer term u are right we have done pretty well the last decade. Forgive me i am old prior to that we sucked but the fans still came out.

The Canuck have hug fan support and have shown that will stick with our team through good times and bad. It is not beyond the realm of possibility for the current Commissioner to take advantage of that. Unlikely I admit but still possible.

by Kelownakid on Jan 15, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I just can’t believe it. If I did I would stop watching the NHL. What would be the point of watching a sport if it was fixed? I don’t watch WWE.

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea i totally hear on that point Section. I am really hoping I have this all screwed up.

by Kelownakid on Jan 15, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean like most good conspiracy theories it adds up. I just hope the metaphorical numbers we are using are wrong.

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

that’s the biggest reason I quit watching boxing

by Sean Zandberg on Jan 15, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Sometimes it feels like the media and a lot of other teams fans just sit there hovering over us, waiting for the opportunity to pounce. Is that true?

Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great.
   — Mark Twain

The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.

by casual on Jan 15, 2010 10:10 AM PST reply actions  

Well hell casual…why didn’t you have that Twain nugget earlier…kind of says it all.

I read a bunch of stuff when I was putting up the fan post on Burrows and the “score” so far, and I really was surprised.

Cox…well, that is a case of a man using his bully pulpit for the wrong reasons, to put forward his personal opinion of Vancouver. I think one of our well known Vancity hotties must have hurt that boy bad!

But I was surprised by the vehemence and anger directed to us and our fair city in the comments section of the same stories.

Wow…just wow…the PPP guys have been pure hockey fans over this whole thing…whether they are pro or con…they said something…some had some smart things to say…but the commenters on the Star stories just fucking hate us, I guess.

Fuck em…the Canucks players…and the fans too…should just use this as fuel for an “us against the fucking world” run of astronomical proportions.

I am sure the players have an inkling of the last couple days, and what has been said. I have no doubt they play with a pissed off edge the rest of the season.

The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:

We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"

by vancitydan on Jan 15, 2010 1:06 PM PST reply actions  

I am sure the players have an inkling of the last couple days, and what has been said. I have no doubt they play with a pissed off edge the rest of the season.

I wish. That didn’t happen the very next game against Minny.

by Sean Zandberg on Jan 15, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point. They need to adopt an us versus the world mentality. Maybe the white towel idea from another thread will help do that. But if we start to play with a real big chip on our shoulder then this Auger thing could be turned into a positive for the team.

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Well thats what Phoenix did.

They had nothing to lose, and no one was taking them seriously. They got a new coach, played hard and started beating teams like Pittsburgh 2-0.

by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 15, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Sean…they were still in the middle of the shitstorm…and on the road.

Over 82, there will be ups and downs.

But being home a few days…reading and seeing the support, will help.

White towels on a stick would be a fantastic idea. If I was Gillis, I would be handing out 10,000 at the door on Sat. night!

The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:

We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"

by vancitydan on Jan 15, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

wow...

anyone hear that on 1040 right now?

auger forced burrows to stay in the box until he announced the goal? wtf…

http://waachcast.blogspot.com/ < WAACHCast Blog

by canucklehead666 on Jan 15, 2010 1:23 PM PST reply actions  

Yea but there was nothing going out there between him a Burrows. Alex just imagined the whole thing. Players can do that you know just ask Colin Campbell.

You see if really happened wouldn’t Alex have looked shocked? Wouldn’t have Alex told the coach right away? Wouldn’t the fans have killed Auger right there in the arena?

Of course all of those things would have happened and they didn’t – so nothing really happened here we all need to just settle down. Whew thanks Uncle Colin there is no boggy man.

by Kelownakid on Jan 15, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

They had

to say that, make it go away was the only way to come out even for the NHL.

by yoata on Jan 15, 2010 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Boggy man. Now that would make a great movie…

by Sean Zandberg on Jan 15, 2010 4:36 PM PST reply actions  

Campbell was transparently guilty of walking the company plank when he made that weak and lying statement about Burrows’ body language during the pre game skate around with Auger. Given all the conditions of that particular time and place, just skating with Auger without registering any other movement than skating is the only reaction anybody but an infant would do. Either the guy doesn’t understand human nature or he’s a company liar.

by Bobby Canuck on Jan 15, 2010 6:02 PM PST reply actions  

They are pointing out errors of omission the arguments are weak even from a simple logic perspective. I am amazed that they have a couple days to come up with something and access to the best lawyers and in world in New York and this is the best story they can come up with? Incredibly weak.

by Kelownakid on Jan 15, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

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