Demitra May Play Saturday, But On What Line? / More Canucks Injury Updates
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Kristin Reid reported today on Canucks.com that Pavol Demitra may play Saturday against the Penguins. Why the hunch? Because Demo's game gear is in his stall in the Canucks' dressing room and he also had accompanied the Canucks in Minnesota earlier this week. Demitra himself said that he is feeling good and that he'll take it day-by-day. Roberto Luongo said that Pavol looks good in practice. Here is the Reid Report video.
So on what line will Demitra play when he returns? I know we've talked about it a bit recently, but let's address it again. What makes the most sense? Line 2 or Line 3? Sure, Line 3 could use another skilled player of Demitra's caliber on it for Kyle Wellwood to feed the puck to, as Steve Bernier and Tanner Glass are not hitting the net. That is one argument.
More after the jump...
Another case for Demitra playing on Line 3 is that the Ryan Kesler-Mikael Samuelsson-Mason Raymond line is doing just fine the way it is, so why change it? Samuelsson is thriving on Line 2, averaging more ice time per game than he ever has in his career (17:20) and is on pace to eclipse his career-high 45 points that he accomplished in his first season in Detroit in 2005-06. He currently has 15 goals and 31 points in 47 games played this season. If ESPN is correct, Samuelsson accomplished his 45-point season playing an average of 13:31 per game (just FYI). He is averaging .659 points per game this year, which is more than I thought he'd achieve.Cases for Pavol playing on Line 2 instead of Samuelsson (or even Raymond): Mikael (They Can Go F**k Themselves) Samuelsson is better known for his 2-way play than Demitra is. The same applies even more-so to Demitra replacing Raymond there. Demitra is also far more offensive than Samuelsson (Demitra averaged .768 points per game with the Canucks last season) and is getting paid $4 million per season to be more than a 3rd liner with less ice time. That kind of money is not spent on a depth player.
It's a pleasant problem to have because either way you slice it, Line 3 especially is going to get better. My guess is that if Demitra plays on Line 3, it will only be for a short while. He belongs on the Kesler Line. You can't have an RPM line without Demitra on it (Ryan-Pavol-Mason), plus he is much quicker than Samuelsson. So there is my opinion, what's yours?
OTHER INJURY UPDATES
Steve Bernier was practicing by himself on Thursday. His groin is still tender. Very doubtful for Saturday.
The same applies to Ryan Johnson, who does not want to risk re-injuring his broken foot. He is being cautious.
Alexandre Bolduc's shoulder is messed up but it is not known yet how bad. Remember, he suffered a shoulder injury in late October that caused him to miss 13 games. He may have popped the same one out.
With these guys out and sans Demitra, the Canucks (unless I'm drugged) only have 11 forwards on their roster. So we could be hearing about a call-up from Manitoba in the next few days, especially if Demitra is not ready to go.
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by missy on Jan 14, 2010 8:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
btw, the oilers are shutting out the pens 2-0 after 2 periods.
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by missy on Jan 14, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh great Edmonton, way to piss off the Pens before we get them!
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 14, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there went the shutout.
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by missy on Jan 14, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and now it’s tied.
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by missy on Jan 14, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and pens just got a flukier goal to break the tie.
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by missy on Jan 14, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I’m not sure AV has been overly happy with Sammy on the second line…we’ve seen him move to 3 periodically during the games. It occurs to me that I’m not 100% sure if that isn’t just post PP/PK (a la burrows missing shifts with the sedins after a pp/pk) but I don’t think it is. I have no problem with samuelsson on the third line, and as pointed out regardless of how it goes our third line gets better.
I’ve said it before, tho, and i’ll say it again…I’m not a big fan of Pavol Demitra. To me he’s just one of those guys you don’t hate, but don’t really care if he goes in the off season with a good replacement. There are guys that don’t have to score as much that you like better just cuz they have more heart or personality (Hansen for example). I dunno, maybe i’m a bit out to lunch on that, but I just can’t view guys like PD as good value for their salary when we have grinders like Burr and Kesler making less and doing more and working harder.
by GAHHHHH! on Jan 14, 2010 8:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i agree, i’m not a big fan of demitra either.
however, considering last game’s lineup and what ended up happening (bolduc getting injured), i’m noticing that (provided bernier doesn’t come back quite yet) there’s 1 slot left that demitra can fill to get us up to 12 forwards. the line-juggling will occur, of course, but i think he’ll stay on the 3rd line.
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by missy on Jan 14, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i’m noticing that (provided bernier doesn’t come back quite yet) there’s 1 slot left that demitra can fill to get us up to 12 forwards
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by Sean Zandberg on Jan 14, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i am well aware that you said he’s probably not coming back saturday. what i’m saying is that there’s room for him to slot in if he does actually come back for this particular game.
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by missy on Jan 14, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Regrettably...
…SBN doesn’t allow you to change your ID, so you can’t officially switch to “Ambassador Missy”. A real shame.
If anyone DOES know how to change your ID, please let me know. I’ve looked, but can’t find anything.
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I’m pretty sure if you send Sean or I an email requesting the change, we can forward it on to the uberlords and make it happen.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 15, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh well, i just added the title to my sig.
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by missy on Jan 15, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like Demitra either. But until Gillis moves him or he leaves in the summer, I have to put up with him. I like Hansen too, but what are you implying?
I’m all for a Woody-Samuelsson-Hansen 3rd line. Not too shabby at all.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 14, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a fan of Demitra for $4 mil, but if we have cap room for him at the moment, than I’d rather have him out there than a minor leaguer in his first NHL game. Maybe he’s not worth $4 mill, but $2 mill is still a decent player. I think we just have a hate-on for him because he’s overpaid.
I wonder if Grabner is going to slot in soon. Also, Shirokov’s having a good year. Obviously (spoken like a hockey guy), that would be too much skill and not enough toughness for an AV team, but if you can put enough pucks in the net, it doesn’t matter how you win.
by SteveNux on Jan 15, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear Shirok’s 2-way game isn’t materializing in Manitoba. Doubt he’ll be back until he remedies that. Grabner I’d like to see for sure, but only if Demo gets hurt again.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 15, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean "WHEN " Demitra gets hurt again.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 15, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Demo on the 3rd line with Welly and whomever.
I think I am a qualified fan of Demo…which is more love than he seems to be getting.
I like and admire his talents, but wish he was more physical and two way.
I think he and Welly, two pretty smart guys, could open up some ice for whomever is their third.
So, it has to be someone that can shoot a little!
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by vancitydan on Jan 14, 2010 8:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would like the Canucks to win games again. I was enjoying it when we were doing that.
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 14, 2010 9:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see them Demo sent down to Winnipeg for some conditioning he has not seen any real action since last year. I am not sure if this is possible under the current rules? It would be great if they could give Grabner or Shirokov a few games while Demo rounds into game shape.
by Kelownakid on Jan 14, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s coming off LTIR, so I think he can do up to 6 games for the Moose as a conditioning stint.
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by casual on Jan 15, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks casual. Why not give Grabs or Shirokov a shot which ever has earned it and let Demo get his timing back. I would be tempted. The NHL can be a dangerous place if you have not been on the ice for over year.
The more Grabs plays this year the better he will be next year when Demo is gone.
by Kelownakid on Jan 15, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Grabs s/b on the team cuz no way you should be in the big leagues, get injured for a bit, and find yourself a minor-leaguer when you return.
No team dares send a message like that cuz it’s dirty, cuz who would wanna play here, and cuz those few who did end up on such a squad would hide all their injuries and ultimately make things worse.
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by casual on Jan 15, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to start Demo on L3 with Welly and Hansen to ease him in.
Then move him to L2 with Kesler and Raymond at some point. Sammy can be Welly’s much needed triggerman on L3.
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by cyxj on Jan 14, 2010 9:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Kessler, Raymond and Demitra on one line sounds good to me. Kessler is physical, Raymond is fast, and Demitra is a playmaker, with good hands.
Putting Demitra with Welwood sounds like too soft to me, since Demitra will try to avoid being hit for the time being, and Welly is a small guy.
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by AttilaS on Jan 14, 2010 10:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like it Attila – Samualson has some grit and he is a shooter to compliment Wellwood the passer. Worth a try. This gets my vote as the combo they go with.
by Kelownakid on Jan 14, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Samuelson never seem to pass (up a shot, even those that aren’t shots);)
by Bobby Canuck on Jan 15, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think he shoots too often imo. He shoots when there is no traffic and noone in front all too often. The goaltender typically makes an easy save. If you put the puck on the net then anything can happen but you definitely increase your percentages if you wait for help and wait for that screen.
by marcness52 on Jan 15, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kesler’s probably as fast as raymond too…at least pretty close. Garrett has kesler winning the speed in the skills competition. My money is still on MayRay, but it will be pretty close.
by GAHHHHH! on Jan 15, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m in favour of Ryan Pavol Mikael, simply because I think that is the most talented second line we can ice, and that will distract some checking attention away from the Sedin line.
I’m looking forward to demitra on the power play most of all, thats the sort of situation he is perfectly suited to, be that second unit or what have you.
by jozsef on Jan 14, 2010 11:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
that and scoring empty net goals, haha
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 14, 2010 11:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Raymond has been too good to demote him. I don’t like the idea of penalizing a young player who is playing well. Sammy on the other hand is older and hopefully won’t take a hit to his confidence.
by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Kesler-Demitra-Raymond
Bernier-Wellfed-Samuelsson
Glass-Rypien-Hansen
Those are my ideal lines. Demitra, Raymond, and Kesler kill the opponent’s with their speed (Raymond) and amazing passing (Demitra). Good hands and grit factor in too (Kesler). The third line has Wellfed feeding passes to Samuelsson to shoot, which he does, a lot, and Bernier pots the rebounds (hopefully. Lets face it, he doesn’t have any hands whatsoever, and they’re not going to develop miraculously in the near future, but he’s a big prescence in front on the net and is good at wacking in rebounds). The roles of the first and fourth lines are obvious. Score and fuck opposing players up, respectively. Bernier or Wellfed can be replaced with Grabner if they start slumping (inevitable).
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 15, 2010 12:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
oh and I know I have the positions wrong. Give me a break, Im tired and apathetic.
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 15, 2010 12:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Wellwood is out and Grabner is in, who would play centre? Is Grabner a centre or would Samuellson switch to centre?
by SteveNux on Jan 15, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can’t say I’m a huge Demitra fan, but at the time of his signing the Canucks needed scoring and he was one of the better players available. Let’s just be glad that Gillis only signed him for 2 years as his 4 million will be much needed to pay Kesler with.
That said he showed chemistry last year with Kesler and I think were a better team with him in the lineup. I think it would be best to start him on the 3rd line and take it from there. Although it will be tempting for AV to put him with Kesler so I’m sure that will happen soon enough.
With Bernier out I would really like to see Hansen on the 3rd line, he is completley wasted on line 4 and I was very frustrated with AV last game having Rypien playing on line 3 (and at times on line 2) while sticking Hansen on line 4. I really don’t think Rypien or Glass should be anything but 4th line players so hopefully Demitra’s return will ensure that.
Overall this is good news as our 3rd line will instantly get better and maybe there will be some more golden chances created for Bernier to fan on.
by Twincest on Jan 15, 2010 3:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Might be time...
…to start looking for a 3rd line C upgrade. Somebody who can rattle some teeth and run some people over, but not be a complete offensive sinkhole. Matching up said player with Sammie and Bernier could work nicely, I think.
Glass can go back to where he belongs on the 4th line.
by Jevant on Jan 15, 2010 5:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was actually surprised with Bolduc. He was a strong guy and made smart plays. Not much of a fighter, but he could battle and carry the play. I think Wellwood would play better if he played with guys who cold give or receive passes.
by SteveNux on Jan 15, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Grabner’s due back soon, too, and I had really been liking the way he was fitting in w/Kes & Raymond, so slotting Demo into a role at this pt c/b premature. First game back, I’d expect a 3rd line role for him w/limited ice time (8 – 12 mins?) just to help him ease back and then play it by ear afterward.
Later, I’d like to try Demo w/Sammy: the passer and the shooter, both vets.
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by casual on Jan 15, 2010 10:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like that combo too. I think Samuellson and Demitra would complement eachother’s style and then have Raymon and Grabner on the same line. Just too bad we don’t have two Kesler’s. maybe Wellwood would feel the pressure if he was placed with 2 top 6 players. He can play when he’s fired up, he’s just been so defensive recently that he doesn’t take as many offensive risks.
by SteveNux on Jan 15, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One nitpick,
I don’t believe that a team should decide what role a player has by how much money he makes. That seems foolish to me. This happens more in baseball, with people like 07-08 Richie Sexson. Some fans said “you have to play him, he’s making $X million”, but playing the crappy version of Sexson would only hurt the team. I see no reason to mess with either of the top two lines, so I think the 3rd is the right place for Demo, if he’s going to play tomorrow.
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by kentcheesehead on Jan 15, 2010 3:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree. The money’s already been committed. Whichever line he plays on is now a function of how well he plays and nothing more.
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by casual on Jan 15, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Sexson. Do you read the USS Mariner blog kent? It’s pretty great. I am on there almost every day and I am not even an M’s fan. I mean I cheer for them but I am Cubs fan first and foremost. I think the NHL needs to start finding more detailed metrix for evaluating players. Like UZR and WAR and all of those ones.
by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pratt and Taylor
on team1040, just confirmed Demitra plays on the third line tomorrow night.
by Temujin on Jan 15, 2010 3:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
There ya go. But he won’t be there for long.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 15, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Jin. I made a post about it. I was going to call you Traiter Temujin but didn’t.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 15, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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