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Damien Cox's Pulitzer Submission

Words cannot express the awfulness of this article by the Toronto Star's Damien Cox, but I'll try.  Piece by piece, line by line.

As a precursor, I don't read Damien Cox on a regular basis.  I will read him from now on, if only to be inspired that I too could have a career in sports journalism, because if this passes as journalism from a major newspaper's hockey columnist and associate sports editor.

His thoughts are in quotes.  Mine are not.

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Funny how people are so ready to believe Alex Burrows, and so ready to assume Stephane Auger essentially cheated the Vancouver Canucks.

Probably because Burrows is the only person to have said anything so far.  Stephane Auger hasn't so much even said "nope, didn't happen".  Generally when it's a he said-he said, if only one side says anything and it's the least bit credible, people believe the side that has actually said anything.

Come to think of it, funny how it's always the Canucks screaming outrage about something. Unless, of course, its a Vancouver fan shining a laser into the face of an opposing goalie. Then, in the words of Alain Vigneault, they're just "great fans."

They sure get unhinged in a hurry over hockey in Vancouver. Geez, years later, you can still get folks all up in a lather over the Bertuzzi-Moore incident, claiming Steve Moore deserved what he got and how he faked his injuries, etc.

Never much moderation out of B.C. when it comes to these things.

If Vigneault said that the fan shining the laser into Kiprusoff's face was a "great fan", Vigneault deserves to be fined, if not fired.  I dare Cox to back that up.  I am 100% certain that Vigneault was not referring to that fan.

I suppose Cox would know about getting unhinged over hockey, considering he lives and writes about the Toronto Maple Leafs.  Toronto - bastion of all that is moderate, reasonable and unbiased when it comes to hockey writing.

Just last summer, Canucks GM Mike Gillis accused the Leafs not once but twice of illegally meddling in Vancouver team business. The NHL essentially laughed and went on to other business.

Laughed and went on to other business is apparently Cox's definition of "fining the Maple Leafs for tampering".  It's all more or less the same thing.

Because, of course, it's okay for a head coach to mention other players by name, and then have the general manager go to a foreign country to try to seduce the player(s).

Now Burrows and his accusations against Auger, which have many in Vancouver screaming that justice must be done, how this proves referees carry grudges and how Auger should be thrown out of the sport.

Amusingly, it wasn't just Vancouver that thought things were weird.  Opposing players were surprised at the refereeing and the calls. 

And what problem does Cox have with people in Vancouver screaming that justice must be done?

For starters, how do we know Burrows is telling the truth?

There's absolutely no corroboration of his story. What we do know is that he's a known dive artist and agitator who is more than happy to fake an injury or a foul if it draws a penalty against an opponent. He believes referees are there to buy into his various cons and acting jobs.

There's lots of corroboration.  There's as much corroboration as there possibly could be apart from a microphone picking up the conversation that happened when the two involved were chatting during the pre-game.  If Burrows isn't telling the truth, he's a heckuva liar, and one of the smartest and fast-thinking NHL players out there to be that specific and precise with his allegations, all of which are backed up by all of the available circumstantial evidence.

If Burrows is smart enough to concoct that, he should be too smart to say it in the first place.

He's a pretty good hockey player, too. It's just that the nonsense sometimes overshadows the ability, just like his teammate, Ryan Kesler.

Damien Cox's brain: "Hmmm...I'm a hockey writer and I'm writing about a player I have an obvious bias again.  Who's another one I can drag into it??  I got it!!  Randomly slag a teammate of Burrows!! Problem solved!!"

Auger? Solid, not spectacular ref. Not one of the NHL's best, but solid. To be honest, most nights I couldn't tell you who the referees are any more. It's just not a big factor to me.

"Not one of the NHL's best" is probably the only reasonable thing said in the article.  Cox admits he's not paying attention to the referees, and that it's not a big factor.  That's how he defends Auger: "I couldn't tell you because I don't know because I don't care.  But he's solid, not spectacular, but solid."

I'm not even going to get into whether Auger is a solid referee.  Anyone who randomly starts a slander campaign against Shane Doan and can screw up the Brad May goal from earlier this year...well, if that's solid, my goodness, I'm scared to think what Cox considers a bad one.

Oh wait, he wouldn't know because he doesn't care to pay attention.  Except when writing articles about defending referees, then he cares.  Or something.  I'm lost now.

The willingness of so many to accept Burrows' story, however, is just an extension of the way in which many adults feel when they go to the neighborhood rink and watch their kids play. So many constantly harp on referees and accuse them of deliberately falsifying calls to benefit one team or the other.

Not really.  The willingness comes from the corroborating evidence, comments from Craig Conroy that suggest this is widespread by saying "don't tattletale", and because Auger has not provided any sort of rationale explanation for what exactly he was saying to Burrows.  It's not even a he said-he said at this point.

Let's face it. As a nation, we're a bunch of crybabies and referee baiters.

Am I the only person who read this line and rephrased with: "Let's face it.  As Leafs Nation, we're a bunch of crybabies and referee baiters?

Tee-hee.  Random potshot!  Yay!

To many (say, Leaf broadcasts) the game is nothing more than a constant discussion of officiating calls, how they got it right or wrong or why they missed this or that. Always, there's an underlying message — Pat Quinn is the best at this — suggesting the men in the striped jerseys are somehow dishonest, unmanly and not to be trusted.

Hockey Night in Canada fostered this mentality for years, although it has improved slightly in this regard in recent times.

There's still an attitude in this country that the best officiated game is one in which referees don't make any calls at all but simply give the advantage to the lesser skilled players and the lowest common denominator.

More random shots (Quinn, HNIC, country in general).

I always want to ask those people what they think the refs are out there for. To break up fights, I guess. But not too quickly.

Referees are there to police the game according to the rule book, to be unbiased and defenders of fair play.

Auger, at best, failed at two of these three things (policing and defending fair play).  At worst, he's guilty of all three.

I don't know what Auger said to Burrows. But I don't believe Burrows, either, and I don't believe the integrity of the sport has been terribly compromised.

That's fine.  You don't believe Burrows because you don't like Burrows.  But don't you want to at least know what Auger said?  Isn't that a bit important?  Isn't it at least a bit important to know what Auger said?  Maybe we should at least consider the possibility Burrows isn't a liar?

I do believe the Canucks are making a mountain out of a molehill. But then, they always do.

Because if Burrows allegations are true, the referee directly impacted the course of a game in a biased fashion.  And that's a mountain if I ever saw one for the NHL.

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Yesterday the NHLOA made it clear that Auger won’t publicly comment because it’s their policy that referees don’t comment publicly as told by NHL Home Ice on XM.

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by Chemmy on Jan 13, 2010 1:51 PM PST reply actions  

Of course he won’t publicly say squat. That’s how it always is…until years after their retirement.

by Sean Zandberg on Jan 13, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Which is a joke. MLB regularly parades their umpires out when controversy surrounds them. The NHL and the NHLOA would be smart to make Auger speak, if only to uphold his credibility.

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by Travis Hughes on Jan 13, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Then the NHL should be commenting. This screams “sweeping under the rug”, which is NEVER a good thing for the game.

If the NHL actually explains the process and what actually happened, Auger can tell all when he retires.

Hopefully that’s sooner rather than later.

by Jevant on Jan 13, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Because, of course, it’s okay for a head coach to mention other players by name, and then have the general manager go to a foreign country to try to seduce the player(s).

I wonder where that new goalie is from? I think the country’s name starts with an ‘S’…

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by PPP on Jan 13, 2010 1:58 PM PST reply actions  

hey

wasn’t Burke in Canada when Burrows signed his extension, too?
TAMPERING

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by Karina on Jan 13, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

i think he was here when Luongo signed too!
DEAR GOD IT DOESN’T END!

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 13, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

The league fined the Leafs for tampering. Are you trying to argue that it didn’t happen? Who was tampered with and the amount of tampering that went on is irrelevant. Burkie tampered and got caught. Serves him right. He’s too full of himself for my liking. How’s that Kessel trade working out by the way?

by Section 312 on Jan 13, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

no

The Leafs were fined because of Wilson’s comments. That was tampering, and he was punished for it.
Burke being in Sweden was not tampering, which is why there were no consequences.

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by Karina on Jan 13, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh ok. Well as long as your organization was only tampering half the time I guess that’s cool.

by Section 312 on Jan 13, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

no

Wilson tampered. There’s a HUGE difference between the coach tampering and the GM. The Coach can’t actually sign players.
Stop blaming Burke for something he didn’t do.

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by Karina on Jan 13, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Burke can be in Timbuktu for all I care. But when his head coach tampers and says he wants to sign the Sedins the day before FA opens when Burke just so happens to be in Sweden, that’s a big deal. And the NHL seemed to think so too, because they fined him.

The NHL doesn’t seem to simply get serious about its own rules, which is the problem, unless those rules impact moving franchises from crappy regions to productive ones. :)

by Jevant on Jan 13, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

?

How do you keep overlooking the fact that Burke signed Gustavsson?

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by Karina on Jan 13, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Did he sign Gustavsson on that trip? Or was it a month or two later?

by Section 312 on Jan 13, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

it was a recruiting trip. He made multiple trips to sweden.
Being in the same country as a player is not tampering.

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by Karina on Jan 13, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Gustavssons mother died, delaying the signing

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 13, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you honestly making the argument that he was ONLY there to talk to Gustavsson?

I’m not directly accusing Burke of tampering by virtue of being in Sweden. But to think Burke wasn’t planning on making an offer to the Sedins while he was there, as Wilson publicly mused about and was fined for, is simply burying heads in sand.

by Jevant on Jan 13, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

nah, he probably was there to talk to Walin too
another SEL signing he made

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 13, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Like two months after he was in Sweden the first time? Which was what a day before the Sedins became free agents?

by Section 312 on Jan 13, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Wallin signed July 10th. It’s fair to say that when Burke was there around July 1, Wallin was spoken to.

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by Karina on Jan 13, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

i also dont think burke had to be present in Sweden for them to sign the deals either

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 13, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course not. But to suggest that it’s ridiculous to tie Burke to Wilson’s comments and think that it’s possible he was “in” on the idea to sign the Sedins is pretty nearsighted.

What’s wrong with admitting it? Believe it or not, there’s nothing wrong with criticizing management a bit.

by Jevant on Jan 13, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

whats wrong with admitting that there is a very strong chance that it is a coincidence and that Burke went to Sweden to sign the two players he actually signed and that Wilson just admires the Sedins as players and wouldn’t mind having them on his team?

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 13, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

If you honestly believe that, we can agree to disagree. Those 2 guys (one of whom is a lower tier guy that certainly wouldn’t require a personal visit) didn’t sign until well after Burke went home. Perhaps he was just there. Perhaps it was just coincidence. But Burke’s history would suggest that it would be a surprise if it WAS a coincidence, rather than a surprise if it WASN’T.

by Jevant on Jan 13, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Please explain said history.

We criticize management all the time – feel free to drop by Pension Plan Puppets anytime – but in this case, Wilson is the one at fault, not Burke.

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by Karina on Jan 13, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Burkes history of what?
I really don’t know what the time frame argument proves other than he was there, plead his case then the players took time to decide or work out the details of their contracts before they put pen to paper.

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 13, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah, yes, the Beast. He’s the goalie with a bum ticker, right? Great signing!!!!!!

by ThomasPratt on Jan 14, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

well at least the leafs didnt sign andrew raycr……

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 14, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

No they just traded one of the best young goalies in the world for him.

by Section 312 on Jan 14, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

thats the joke

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 14, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

“You suck McBain!”

by marcness52 on Jan 14, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I felt like it was such a bonehead move I had to really spell it out. Give it the tribute it deserves.

by Section 312 on Jan 15, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I’d rather have The Monster than Raysoft but at least Raysoft is only playing like 10 games this year.

by marcness52 on Jan 14, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Hi-LARIOUS

You should hear the stuff today from TEAM 1040 and Blake Price today. I am a bit of a Luddite in regard to getting the mp3 and getting it up…but.

Man, you wouldn’t believe the partisanship of Damien Cox in that interview at 1:30 today.

Though I imagine T.O sports fans would love it…it was wrong of Gillis for having the temerity to bring it up this year, but TOTALLY justified when Burke did it in regards to Perry.

Its funny.

We like Burrows anyhow…and can any hockey fan tell me of a better bargain than him right now. Signed for the next 3 and this one for 2 mil? 19 goals and 20 something assists so far? Plays the game 100% the right way. Contraqdictory to writers like Cox etc, Burrows has NEVER spoken about officiating previous.

Whatever else, you have to agree that he was sincere and honest in his comments.

As for the rest, watch the next time its a Auger or other ref f****ng your team and see if it is so funny then. When you see a call as bad as that last interference on Burr’ setting up on the PP…a play that happens a million times a year in the league.

Though, Auger at least told the NHLOA guys the stupidity of saying anything first.

The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:

We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"

by vancitydan on Jan 13, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Damien Cox spends 90% of his time telling Leafs fans how dumb we are and we all hate him.

Your argument that he’s some Leafs homer is absurd.

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by Chemmy on Jan 13, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

"Great fans," he said. "I’m not sure it happened that often."

Yeah, he did say that. Kesler also missed the point as you’ll see in the article.

by thelastjohnny on Jan 13, 2010 2:00 PM PST reply actions  

I had missed that. Retracted.

by Jevant on Jan 13, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Though Kesler “may” have been joking. And I don’t get that from AV either. Either a poorly worded joke, or an inappropriate comment.

That laser pointing was bush league and had no business being part o the game.

by Jevant on Jan 13, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Both comments could easily be taken out of context.

by thelastjohnny on Jan 13, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Your own hometown newspaper says

Come on, fellas. "Fans will be fans" doesn’t exactly cover this. Shining a laser pointer into a pilot’s eyes as he’s attempting to land an airplane at YVR doesn’t fall under the heading of good, clean fun, either.

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by Chemmy on Jan 13, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah and everyone on this site condemned the idiots who did it. So did the GM of our team on a local radio station yesterday. I think probably Kesler and AV have other things to worry about and didn’t really care to comment on such a non-issue. Stop the game if it’s that bad. Find the people doing it and arrest them. Then finish the game. Not a big deal. I mean it is a big deal who stupid these people were but it’s not the end of the world in terms of how hard it would be to deal with it. And as I said the coach and players have other stuff to worry about. And they have a vested interest in keeping the fans on their side.

by Section 312 on Jan 13, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

The great thing about that article is that if the same thing happened in Toronto and say, Lee Stempniak, we all know Cox would be foaming at the mouth with rage. This isn’t his first anti-Vancouver biased article and it won’t be the last. He is the kind of guy where you would love to wipe that smug look off his face but what can you do? Let’s just hope the Canucks keep making the playoffs and hopefully making deep playoff runs while the Leafs keep being a beacon of ineptitude and misplaced hope.

by Section 312 on Jan 13, 2010 2:18 PM PST reply actions  

are you kidding?

Cox never defends the Leafs. Read his articles. If this happened to Stepniak, Cox would likely write something about how the Leafs deserved it, and maybe now the fans can put away their kool-aid and crayons and go cheer for another team.

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by Karina on Jan 13, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

indeed, Cox bad mouths the Leafs at almost every turn. He’d probably work a 1967 joke in there and then say it was the fans fault for going to Leaf games

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 13, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t read anything coming out of Toronto so I have no idea. I just assumed Cox like all the other media in TO were firmly on the tit of the Leafs. I apologize for getting that wrong.

So it sounds like this Cox guy is just that? A giant cock?

by Section 312 on Jan 13, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

you must not have read anything from the Toronto media about the leafs in a long time 90 percent of it is dedicated to crapping all over the Leafs and their fans

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 13, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I should read more of it then. That’s something I can get on board with. It makes sense though to crap on them all the time. I mean I guess it’s an easy target after all.

by Section 312 on Jan 13, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

better that than a media who blames all their problems on teams from across the country though

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 13, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I really don’t know what that comment means? Who are you talking about?

by Section 312 on Jan 13, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha

Incredible how this turned into a Leafs discussion. NHL fining the Leafs for tampering can hardly be considered “laughing and moving to other business”.

by Jevant on Jan 13, 2010 2:30 PM PST reply actions  

yea

Cox is an idiot, I think we can all agree on that.

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by Karina on Jan 13, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

So he’s like the Leaf’s version of Tony Gallagher on steroids?

by Beantown Canuck on Jan 13, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

1000X worse.
Check out the now-defunct blog Cox Blog for evidence.

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by Karina on Jan 13, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

So he’s like the Leaf’s version of Tony Gallagher on steroids?

Ah ya beat me to it

by Sean Zandberg on Jan 13, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha

no.

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by Karina on Jan 13, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

You beat me to that!

by marcness52 on Jan 13, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I loved this blog. It’s a shame it shut down.

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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 13, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

In a universe of substandard blogs, that one is hideous.

by ThomasPratt on Jan 14, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sorry

but there’s absolutely no way that Burrows can be proven right, and a “no comment”, video of the two talking together before the game, and a couple bad calls is not even close to corroboration. It’s highly HIGHLY circumstantial evidence. Cox is a well-documented idiot, but the idea that because Auger hasn’t said anything is proof he’s guilty of some heinous deed is laughable at best, and lunacy at worst.

If Burrows isn’t telling the truth, he’s a heckuva liar, and one of the smartest and fast-thinking NHL players out there to be that specific and precise with his allegations

Or the more likely scenario is that there was some communication, where Auger said something to the effect of “I saw your dive last time i reffed you and didn’t appreciate it. I’ll have an eye on you” and Burrows interpreted it as “I am out to get you for diving last time”. It’s all even more likely since both parties primary language isn’t the same. And if you don’t think this type of communication is possible, and common, you’ve clearly never been married.

And Burrows proved himself to not to be one of the smartest players by saying something publically, which at the very least brought more attention to his original dive
cementing his reputation as a diver. By publically calling out an official, a known tight fraternity, he’s pretty much guaranteed himself of never getting the benefit of the doubt for any call for the rest of the career.

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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 13, 2010 2:58 PM PST reply actions  

I think everyone agrees there’s no way to prove Burrows right and that the burden of proof was on him. It just doesn’t help Auger’s case the way that the NHL and NHLOA have dealt with the situation.

by thelastjohnny on Jan 13, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree:
There is nothing conclusive to say Burrows is right. Referees talk to problem players before games. The game in question was tightly policed – Ellis’ roughing penalty on Kesler is a prime example of that. It’s entirely possible that the circumstances of such a game, coincidentally, support Burrows’ accusations.

Disagree:
I have to say, Burrows’ reputation is already very cemented. He beaks at the refs and has mastered the hair-takedown maneuver. To be honest, he’s not in the good books of the officials, but has he really ever been? I suspect he will continue to not get calls, which he normally doesn’t , and I don’t see how that could change much.

On the flipside, I also don’t think we’ll see more ‘phantom’ calls against Burrows. The interesting aspect of this situation is that Burrows has shone a spotlight not only on himself, but the referees as well. That microscope that he’s normally under is now shared space with Auger and any referees that officiate a Canucks game until this all blows over.

Tonight, I expect a squeaky clean game, from both Burrows and the refs, if only to not give the other side ammunition in this dispute.

by Villain85 on Jan 13, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

A penalty should be a penalty regardless of a guys reputation around the league. Burrows might be considered a diver but if a guy hacks him it is still a penalty.

by Section 312 on Jan 13, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

spin

You are just taking a contrarian position.

The facts is, from the comments and the evidence, its pretty overwhelming circumstantial evidence.

If it were a Grand Jury presentation, they would return with an indictment.

One…the past history, twice…not just the Smithson hit, but the one in Montreal last time we were there too. Same ref. He had motive to do exactly what Burr’ said he did.

Two…the “chat”…refs NEVER do that with non letter wearing players. Before the game. For TWO laps around in warmup. A lot more was said in that time than just “I’ll have my eye on you…”

Three…the actual calls…that even the color guy for the Preds (Terry Crisp ) agreed were tainted. At least questionable. That smelled even to the Preds fans on On The Forecheck threads…hell, even the comments of Conroy on the Flames, our biggest rival, still agree with Burr while calling him a “tattletale”.

Four…the comments themselves…why would he make it up? To get even worse calls from the refs in the future? Why all the specific detail"? He came up with that in the extra couple minutes he had for the penalty with three seconds left. If he is an actor…he is missing his calling. That rant was sincere, and honest from the heart. I believe if he didn’t say something his head probably would have exploded!

That much circumstantial evidence may not be enough for you, but people are in jail in Canada and the US that were convicted on less.

1-2-3-4…all adds up to me anyhow.

But, obviously from reading some of the COTU media, I am just a whiny Canucks Fan!

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The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:

We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"

by vancitydan on Jan 13, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I’m not sure you know what “circumstantial evidence” means.

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by Karina on Jan 13, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

rec'd

So, you know that I know that the poison is in your Cup, so you certainly wouldn’t put it in THIS one…"

Hilarious!

Love that movie…

The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:

We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"

by vancitydan on Jan 13, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Umm

I’m not just taking a contrarian position. There’s no clear evidence that Auger had some vendetta against Burrows, and Burrows saying it isn’t enough to make it true.

Not sure how it works in Canada, but circumstantial evidence isn’t enough for an indictment… because of the fact it’s in no way conclusive.

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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 13, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Um, just so u know…both parties primary language is the same…they’re both francophones…

by GAHHHHH! on Jan 14, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

My bad. I don’t know why but for some reason I thought Burrows first name was “Alexander” (and Burrows doesn’t look french at all).

Mea Culpa. My bad.

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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 15, 2010 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Believe me, nobody is siding with Damien Cox on this one. I’d rather tie my happysacks to a car and break the land-speed record.

Point 1 – Definitely motive. Burrows is an ass (talented, goal-scoring ass) and referees don’t like him for many legitimate reasons.

Point 2 – Refs do talk to problem players a lot. Avery pretty much has it scheduled in his itinerary. They were chatting for a while, but again, it’s impossible to tell what was said except for that Burrows claims.

Point 3 – Most of the calls smelled. Ellis’s roughing penalty was bogus. The 2 called against Burrows, also bogus. Henrik Sedin using Ellis as a surfboard, so bog- oh wait, nevermind, that was legit.

Point 4 – I personally believe Burrows, but it doesn’t help his case. He was speaking from the heart, and I have no doubt that something was said to him that had him hot under the collar after the game. What he reiterated, though, could have been exaggerated since he was pissed off. The ref likely did say he wasn’t stoked on what Burrows did in Nashville. However, I have my doubts that he went as far to tell Burrows he has a personal vendetta against him that will change the outcome of the game (unless he’s an absolute idiot).

by Villain85 on Jan 13, 2010 3:49 PM PST reply actions  

I agree with all of these points. But I am tired of playing Devil’s Advocate on this site which I have done for the past day and a half. Glad to see your taking the torch. Now I can relax and hope Burrows scores 15 goals tonight.

by Section 312 on Jan 13, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

I believe I thanked you twice for that!

I get that there is a different viewpoint of Burrows from fans of other teams. Absolutely…but remember, he has never complained about reffing before. For a player that does the “balls to the wall thing” ( its what what got him from the Greensville Growl to the NHL ), thats pretty amazing.

Refs do talk…they don’t usually talk with non letter players, though again, our view of Burr’ differs from others, and to others, he is obviously in the Avery category. All I know, I cannot remember as a fan that has watched most every game over a long time, ever seeing one chat with Burrows, Kesler, Rypien or any other of the many shit disturbers on the team.

Ellis’s roughing stank…for me, the penalties on Henrik at the end, and Bolduc earlier in the 3rd, were prime examples of Nashville being smart enough to “get in on the act”. I know if I am playing in a game and a ref is calling EVERYTHING on the other team, I am going to do my best to take advantage of my good fortune!

LOL

I believe Burr too.

Look, live hockey is coming back on!

It has been fun the last day or two…awesome viewpoints all around.

The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:

We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"

by vancitydan on Jan 13, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

And hopefully no one took anything as personal or took anything the wrong way. I just felt like some balance was needed. I love the passion and the way so many of us rallied around Burrows but someone has to try to show the other sides of the argument.

Fucking eh! Hockey. SO much better to watch than to talk about.

by Section 312 on Jan 13, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Except when your team shits the bed in the third.

by marcness52 on Jan 13, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Again

saying Burrows is wrong is in no way saying he’s a liar. The most likely scenario (IMO) is that it was a misunderstanding before the game… and some bad (and probably unintentionally biased) calls by an established terrible referee exasterbated the problem.

sorry about spelling, using a different computer and can’t get spell-check to work.

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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Jan 13, 2010 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I tend to look at it more sinister.

The calls coming after he had the chat…the “cause and effect” of it all.

Enough to convict him in the court of public opinion.

As is evident from all the interest.

Apart from Cox…some guys have been in Burr’s corner…like MacKenzie and Puck Daddy

The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:

We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"

by vancitydan on Jan 13, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Puck Daddy’s was highly neutral.

And Auger hasn’t just screwed the Canucks before. He’s just a terrible ref.

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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Jan 13, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Which is surprising he’s still a ref at all. Even if what Burrows says was taken out of context or whatever, you have to admit that Auger was terrible as a ref last night.

by marcness52 on Jan 13, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Auger was terrible as a ref last night.

Auger is terrible as a ref EVERY night. In fact his general incompetence makes this even more difficult a situation.

(Of course his two most visible screw-ups have been Detroit and Vancouver.. for me that’s a division rival and my least favorite team. so he’s not all bad).

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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Jan 14, 2010 8:03 AM PST up reply actions  

10 -4 to that!

Puck drop coming up…after the commercial trying to sell me Erectile Dysfunction Pills…

(sigh…)

Hopefully Cox doesn’t use his Bully Pulpit to slag our city, its players and fans tooooo much in the future!

The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:

We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"

by vancitydan on Jan 13, 2010 4:07 PM PST reply actions  

Luckily it seems that everyone knows he is a douche and no one takes him seriously. Not his peers and certainly not the fans of hockey.

by Section 312 on Jan 13, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

rec’d

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jan 13, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Perfect

Space Weed Says (Insert Generic quote about blog here)
"DO NOT get stuck behind Kyle Wellwood in the buffet line. This isn't really etiquette, but it will prevent you from starving to death"- Down Goes Brown on Etiquette for Jason Spezza's wedding

by Kevin Sellathamby on Jan 14, 2010 5:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Cox

has always been a fucking moron.

“Auger hasn’t said anything”.

No kidding, wonder why?

by yoata on Jan 13, 2010 6:13 PM PST reply actions  

it’s league policy

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jan 13, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

This Video sums up Damien Cox’s thought processes perfectly.

Space Weed Says (Insert Generic quote about blog here)
"DO NOT get stuck behind Kyle Wellwood in the buffet line. This isn't really etiquette, but it will prevent you from starving to death"- Down Goes Brown on Etiquette for Jason Spezza's wedding

by Kevin Sellathamby on Jan 14, 2010 5:25 AM PST reply actions  

Just reading this now...

… but a great post deconstructing what apparently passes as journalism these days. Brutal work by Cox – if you want to disagree fine, but at least substantiate your claims. That this man gets paid to write this tripe is effing ridiculous.

by nucksandpucks on Jan 14, 2010 1:48 PM PST reply actions  

the worst part is the Leaf “fans” (Or rather, anti-fans) who believe his crap.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jan 14, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

One thing is for sure...

…I’m going to have to write more posts that reference the Leafs in some capacity if I want lots of comments…:)

by Jevant on Jan 15, 2010 5:52 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah, you’re doing a fine job! A fine job!

by Sean Zandberg on Jan 15, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

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