Sunday Morning Coffee: I have some questions...
by canucklehead666 on Jan 10, 2010 7:43 AM PST
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Ok, where to start? Well, I suppose the obvious one is as good a place as any: How and why were the Vancouver Canucks outworked by a team that was playing it's 5th game in 8 or 9 nights? I can understand the Flames coming out hard in the first, of course they're going to be pumped after being torn a new one in a loss the night before. But to get outshot so badly by a tired team with so much on the line is absolutely UNACCEPTABLE.
We saw a flashes of people showing up, but for the most part, the only one who came to play for 60 minutes last night was Roberto Luongo. Which brings me to my next question: How is it that a goalie who is so damn good on penalty shots is so damn bad in shootouts? Seriously, that did not fill me with confidence heading into February. And don't get me wrong here folks, I am not a bandwagon fan in the least. But I do think that when you get a challenge like this, and you pull a no-show for no good reason it's acceptable to be pissed off.
There were some positives, however few they were. Samuelsson continues to tell Team Sweden what he thinks, and Burrows and the Sedins scored one of the sweetest goals you will ever see. But even then, they didn't deserve to be in the lead. Here's the part that really grinds my gears:
2 goals on 6 shots. Sure Kiprusoff played well last night, but there was a huge gap in between the too little, too late press by the Canucks and the 2nd goal. After they scored, you would have expected huge pressure from the Canucks. For them to go for the jugular. Did anyone see anything that resembled a killer instinct last night? Me neither. So for all the celebration from Canucks fans for the team tracking down the Avs and Flames, it was all for naught, at least for the time being. The Canucks have a day to get their heads together and take on another division rival in the Nashville Predators Monday before heading to Minnesota on Wednesday. I was actually surprised at how angry I am about that game last night, because I woke up still ready to break stuff.
I did find something a little interesting though, and perhaps it's just the conspiracy theorist in me, but check out this quote by Jamie Lundmark after the game last night: "Being in Abbotsford, the Canucks games are on all the time so you pick a little up and do a little bit of scouting," said Lundmark, who was called up Friday. "Our goalie coach does some scouting for us here, too, so I talked to him before the game and asked him to do on shootouts. So I had a plan going in, and it worked." Do you think the Flames rivalry with the Canucks so intense they transplanted their farm team right in our back yard to essentially spy on us? Maybe that's crazy. Then again, looking at how they neutralized everyone, then schooled Luongo in the shootout, maybe not...
Oh, and to all the Flames fans out there: any Canucks fan worth his stuff is angered and embarrassed by the idiot at the game last night with the laser pointer. It was a pathetic, dangerous and completely misguided attempt at being a 'fan', so please don't think any real Canucks fan approves of that. I hate the Flames, but we don't need to resort to cheating to beat them. And what if Kiprusoff had suffered some type of vision injury? I want this person brought up on charges, to send a message that this kind of stupidity is not tolerated.
That's about it this morning... The Lightning and Devils resume that game they started Friday when the lights wouldn't come back on in that fancy shmancy new arena over there in New Jersey. The Bolts are leading 3-0, here's to them not getting screwed out of a win after all this. I might have some more thoughts later, after a little primal rage therapy...
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I’m just terrified that the laser pointer clown will turn out to be a season ticket holder (or was there as the guest of one), rather than an asshat who dropped dollars on scalped seats so he could impress the nation. As Kelly Hrudey said last night, “He must be so proud of himself…. ‘What did you do tonight, honey?’ ‘I tried to blind someone.’ It’s despicable.”
I was pretty disappointed by the shootout as well – especially the undirected five-hole goal by Jokinen. He just sort of stopped handling the puck and let it slide into the house like a curling shot with button weight…
Let’s buckle down and take it to the Preds and Wild, at least. The prospect of having to play the Flames in the postseason, potentially without home ice advantage, makes me shiver.
by CortezKennedy4Prez! on Jan 10, 2010 8:01 AM PST reply actions
exactly
let’s look at this this way: what if we had won the game? then the flames would be all over this, the league would be freaking out (and who knows what the hell will come of this). I hope Kipper’s ok. It just boggles the mind that someone could think that this was an ok thing to do. If he is a season ticket holder, he can kiss those seats goodbye. They need to make an example of this assclown.
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by canucklehead666 on Jan 10, 2010 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
I was pretty disappointed by the shootout as well – especially the undirected five-hole goal by Jokinen. He just sort of stopped handling the puck and let it slide into the house like a curling shot with button weight…
“Unidrected”? I think not. I commented to my wife at the time about how that used to be Mark Messier’s favourite breakaway move, come in at high speed, take it towards the backhand to open the goalie up, but rather than take it all the way across it was one quick touch and it’d be through the goalie’s legs and in. I’ll bet Messier scored a couple dozen goals on that very move.
Jokinen was absolutely flying, he was circling in the left faceoff circle way down in his own end before he took off, and had a full head of steam by the time he picked up the puck. He knew exactly what he wanted to do, and did it.
All the shooters really executed their shots in that shootout, I’m a goalie-phile and the guys in pads were in tough during the whole sequence. Five goals and a post.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jan 10, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, and to add to that, Jokinen played with Luongo for the majority of their careers, so no doubt he tried a move that was fashioned specifically from what he knows about Luongo’s tendencies.
I thought Luongo was a bit deep on the last shootout attempt, but after getting undressed by Jokinen it’s hard to blame him for being a bit tentative.
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I’m okay with the point, but you’re right – they should have beat this tired team. First place will have to wait…
by CANUCKS HOCKEY BLOG on Jan 10, 2010 8:20 AM PST reply actions
To me the biggest issue I had was our defensive game. We turned the puck over a ton in our own zone and in the neutral zone. That first period especially Luongo was left out to dry a number of times and was forced to stand on his head. I can’t help but think that having two brand new defensemen was part of that. That and Shane O’Brien had a brutal game, his worst since coming out of the pressbox. Also I am rapidly losing patience with Steve Bernier, he was one of the worst Canucks last night as well.
It’s sad to say the Flames just seemed to want it more. We were outshot in every period and OT with the Flamers finishing with 40 total shots…terrible.
The silver lining in all of this was that if we were going to fall back down to earth in this hot streak at least we got a point out of it.
(Sidenote: Who the hell still has a laser pointer. Someone should tell that guy it’s not 1999 anymore.)
Re: Defencemen
Erhoff and Edler played over 32 minutes.
Mitchell played 27 minutes.
SOB played 17.
Lukowich played almost 12.
Oberg played 5.
Yeah, I’d say things were a little screwy on defence.
by thelastjohnny on Jan 10, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
Hell of a tense first NHL game for Oberg to play in. AV shielded him and Luko most of the night.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 10, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
Every coach has their favourites and the guys they dislike. The difference is that the real top notch coaches see through who they like to who is going to get the job done. Doesn’t seem like AV has that part figured out yet.
by Section 312 on Jan 10, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Wow…one loss and all the bandwagon AV haters come out of the woodwork. The guy is a great coach, and has done some good things. You people (and me) have absolutely zero clue what goes on in the dressing room. And if you think for a nano second that Hansen is a better hockey player than Bernier you don’t even know hockey. Come on, pull yer head outta yer ass and think a bit.
Don’t get me wrong, I am a fan of hansen…but to indicate that he’s a better hockey player than Bernier is flat out stupid. He may be some day, but not today. So who does AV replace with him? Wellwood? Glass? Put him on the fourth line for Hordi, sure, but not in a game against Calgary.
First of all there buddy, I have been anti-AV for a lot longer than just today. He, like EVERY other coach in the NHL, has strengths and weaknesses. There is no reason we can’t point out what some of those weak spots are. And Hansen is a better player, overall, than Bernier. Faster, more physical (despite being smaller), better in his own end and not many people in the league have worse hands than Bernier so there is no reason Hansen shouldn’t be considered a better player than Bernier. I mean have you been watching the last few weeks. Bernier has been bad for a long period of time now. So really who is being flat out stupid here? In the last 3 games, 2 of them big wins, Bernier has 1 SOG and is -1. What is so great about those stats that make you think Bernier is soo much better than Hansen? Bernier this season is averaging .42 points per game. Hansen is at .35. Hansen is at even. Bernier is a -1 on the season. Where are you getting the idea that Bernier is better than Hansen?
by Section 312 on Jan 10, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
do want Hansen.
I grow weary of Stone Hands Bernier, his stickhandling mediocrity reminds me of Taylor Pyatt. At least Bernier can skate fast.
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 10, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
and not many people in the league have worse hands than Bernier
Well that is a stretch. I think Bernier is one of the most frustrating players out there, but doesn’t have the worst hands. Bernier’s failure reflects a bit on Woody’s output too. Woody sets him up, Bernie misses. How many times has that happened?
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 10, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
How many more glorious chances does he have to miss before we can agree he has some of the worst hands in the league?
Sorry Section, I was just getting technical there. There are many worse than Bernier though. I’m not defending him. Just saying.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 10, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
more physical (despite being smaller)
According to TSN, Bernier has 77 hits in 43 games while Hansen has 4 hits in 20 games.
Hansen should be in for Hordi, IMO.
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insults buddy.
Some of us have very good reasons to believe Hansen is the better player, regardless it is our opinion and calling us stupid or saying we don’t know hockey for holding it is pure ignorance.
I like Hansen, and believe he should be in the team, but not instead of Bernier. Yes, Bernier is frustrating to watch at times but he is very physical and does a good job on that third line of checking hard and hitting players (Bernier is second on the team in hits this year behind Tanner Glass). I think when Bernier joined the Canucks everyone expected a goal scorer and he hasn’t lived up to that reputation. However, he’s carved out a roll for hiself as a physical checking forward on the third line and I am happy with his play as such.
So where does that leave Hansen? Probably on the fourth line for now in place of either Hordichuk or Bolduc, though I’d like to see him find his way onto the third line (just can’t quite figure out how to make all the pieces fit )
by British Canuck on Jan 10, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry
but to me you don’t pay bangers $2M to play on the 3rd line, you pay them Glass money to bang around on the 4th line, and Bernier ain’t that physical with his size, Bernier is basically an expensive Taylor Pyatt at this point though I think he does have more upside and is younger.
but to me you don’t pay bangers $2M to play on the 3rd line
It’s true. Sad but true.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 10, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
I haven’t completely given up on the guy, I just think maybe a few games in the press box might wake him up a bit. It’s just easier to sit a guy making 550,000 on a two-way contract then Bernier who they overpaid at 2 million a year. His upside is that he does play physical but he really doesn’t use his size to his advantage enough. He only ever seems to go to the net on PP’s and as everyone has said when he does get a rebound or a nice chance he so often misses the net or fans.
Hansen is a guy who does seem to bury his opportunities and he plays a very strong two way game, is a better PKer then Bernier, and an above average shot blocker. He’s just more useful, especially if Bernier is not scoring.
And for the record I am not an AV hater. I used to have a problem with his over zealous line juggling but he has curbed that this season especially since Burrows has taken over the role on the top line. He has shown more versatility this year as a coach and has been able to establish a more offensive system which has been way more fun to watch as a fan.
Yeah, now AV has to juggle the hell out of the bottom 6 to find some form of scoring. To me, Bernier is not a smart enough player to be able to produce consistently. Cruel to say, but I said it.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 11, 2010 1:51 AM PST up reply actions
One thing that Bernier DID do, was greatly raise his level of play in the playoffs last year. I don’t know if that can be viewed as a plus or minus (maybe he should try harder in the regular season), but his physical presence really shone on the playoffs.
Also, I like Hansen, but I would rather have Hordi in the lineup in a game like the one against the flames this weekend. It was nice to throw some toughness out there every few shifts.
With Ripper, SOB and Bieksa, when healthy, there is plenty of toughness in our lineup. What we don’t need is a 2 million a year player who doesn’t produce. You can find lots of guys who skate fast and hit lots but have brutal hands. And you can find them for a lot cheaper.
by Section 312 on Jan 11, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Poor game no question
I guess the silver linings for me are 1) it was not against a team at the bottom of the standings, 2) we got a loser point and 3) Lou played well (except for that shoot out wtf was that?) and 4) the defence was auditioning 2 new guys with Rome and Salo out.
It was poor but there is an upside here we will be fine against Nashville come Monday.
Last point someone should use that laser pointer to light the way for a very deep and savagely administered rectal exam on the owner.
Yep
too many passengers, SOB, Bernier and wellfed at the top of my list, as usual, but also I think elflamo did a pretty good job of neutralizing the Sedins, and we gave them too much room at times.
Agreed on the three guys named. Aside from Wellwood uncharacteristically checking someone, they were invisible and – in SOB’s case – a liability.
Credit the Flames too – they came prepared and owned that game for vast stretches.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 10, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed, Edler had his best game in a long time. I’ve been pretty disappointed by Edler so far this season, he’s looked a bit tentative and unsure of himself. But last night he finally looked like the guy who can step up and fill Ohlund’s shoes. Also thought Luko looked OK in the short ice time that he had. SOB was brutal.
by British Canuck on Jan 10, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
The past few games Edler has been a big liability and SOB has been good. Last night was the other way around. All game it looked to me like O’Brien was really concerned with being crunched…he had a real confidence issue with the puck. I do think SOB will be a fine stay at home defenceman and his performance the past 10 or 12 games has shown a glimmer of what he can do. I’m glad the Canucks brass have been patient with him, cuz he is still pretty young and does seem to be doing what’s asked of him (last night notwithstanding).
if SOB has another game like last night I'll be back to full on hating him.
by Chuckles Canuckles on Jan 10, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Edler
is 23 and leading Nuck dmen in scoring, despite missing half a dozen games, he def struggled to start the season, but since he’s been back he’s had 4 points and is even through 9 games, still think this kid can and probably will be a stud dman for years to come, not even in his prime NHL dman years yet.
Hey, I missed the game. What were the misconducts to Giordano and Raymond at the end of the 2nd period for?
I missed it, the camera was focused on Mitchell, Phaneuf, Iginla and eventually Luongo who skated through.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 10, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Well this didn't take too long
http://twitter.com/LaserDouche
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I’m surprised the laser pointer thing hasn’t happened sooner.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 10, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
you notice he follows canuck tweeters, but almost (if not all) of his followers are Flames fans.
Lame.
but you can’t spell… well, you know
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by canucklehead666 on Jan 10, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
I didn’t think the Canucks played as poorly as the general consensus here, but they did get outplayed. I thought the result was about right based on play- Calgary with the win, Canucks with the loser point. And I don’t really give a crap how Lu is on the shootout, unless he actually plays for Canada in the Olympics (which I doubt he will after the round robin) because that’s the only place where a real game can be decided in such a fashion. Until there are shootouts in the playoffs, shootout ability is not a concern to me.
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 10, 2010 9:55 AM PST reply actions
And being outplayd is always a legitimate reason to complain, don’t get me wrong. But I thought they were not horrible, and in the past this season they’ve been horrible on a few occasions.
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 10, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
For some reason, I didn’t think that this was such a bad loss either. First, the Canucks just won 4 games in a row. I am not saying that they have to lose after a string of wins, but realistically, how many wins does it take before a team eases up on the gas pedal a little? At some point, it inevitably happens. Combine that with the desperate play of the Flames, who just lost the previous night to a bad team. For the Flames, it was an absolute must win. For the Canucks, they are rolling on a high right now.
So, the result was somewhat predictable. The Flames were hungry to the point of desperation. The Canucks, not so much. They still got a loser point, and should be ready for the next string of 3 wins.
Do we really want the Canucks to play their heart out, peak in January, and possibly burn out by April? Or rather have a consistent, steady output, and really pick up the pace towards the end.
On a side note, it boggles my mind that that Luongo couldn’t stop one single shot in the shootout.
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The Refs in the "new NHL" seem schizophrenic to me
One game they call everything the next game they call next to nothing. Last night it was the later. That it really played into Calgary’s hands.
I Really hope no Vancouver hockey fan brings a laser pointer in during the Olympics. That would be humiliating for Canada. Really worried about this possibility.
First of all, any two cent tool who points a laser beam at a goalie’s eyes is NOT a hockey fan. They’re a miserable little suckhole of an excuse for a human, and very obviously not a fan of the game. Probably the same punkass jerk who kicks his dog and sprays his tag on a white wall and thinks it’s art. Second of all, I totally agree, that would be some kinda humiliating.
by GAHHHHH! on Jan 10, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
amen to that! rec’d.
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I don’t think it has anything to do with Vancouver, every region has people that are idiots in it.
It’s a universal problem not particular to any region.
Laser Pointers
From my 5 minutes of Internet surfing it would appear that this cool trick was tried by some NFL fans and MLB fans round 2003. In those leagues the officials merely stopped the game until the idiot was found by security – likely they were turned by the real fan next to them. They were then ejected from the stadium by security the game officials were notified and the game was resumed.
Sounds like a fairly intelligent way to deal with it.
so why didn’t they do that? if this was happening all game… you’d think there would have been a huge stink about it during the game
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by canucklehead666 on Jan 10, 2010 11:08 AM PST reply actions
Good question
Sutter was pissed. I really have no idea why the officials did not stop the game. Maybe they did not want inconvience the hockey night canada crew? Maybe they did not think of it? I thought the officiating was poor anyways. Your guess is as good as mine. There would have been a real stink had the Canucks won the game.
There was little pressure on Kipper alll night so I am not sure it was not happening that often.
It seems to me that after last night, Gills should try to add some fourth line, seventh D’man size. Not saying it’s not cool to watch the Sedins pick themselves up after being pounded by Phagoof repeatedly and long after the play (not a penalty, of course). Just saying it would be nice for a Canuck to give Jokinen and Iginla the same opportunity. I don’t see the Canuck middleweights being up to the task. I also don’t see Wellwood as a third line center on a playoff winning team, but that’s just me.
Laser pointer is a dumb idea. Kipper has proven all he needs to lose track of the puck is the arena ceiling.
by ThomasPratt on Jan 10, 2010 11:24 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Kipper has proven all he needs to lose track of the puck is the arena ceiling.
bwahaha
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 10, 2010 11:29 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
1. The game should have been stopped until the Green Goblin was found and arrested.
2. Talk all you want about how well Louie played but in my mind the soft 2nd Flames goal would have been had by most AHL goalies, and seriously, playoff-atmosphere game and you can’t stop a single Flame on the shootout? Not even one? 0-for-3??
3. Bernier…uggghh…his golden opportunity-to-goal ratio is just awful, is there anyone on the team with less finish than him?
4. Kesler and Burrows played amazing defense, great stick work.
5. Phaneuf is turning into the Canadian Barret Jackman. Big hype early in his career, big hitter, but can’t really play defense and he’s clearly showing why the Canadian Olympic team didn’t want him.
The only hype on Dion was from Pierre Maguire and the TSN crew cause he threw some big hits in the WJHC. I think most knowledgeable hockey fans like most of us here at NM knew he wasn’t good defensively even back then. The guy has regressed since he got to the NHL and clearly has no ability to be coached. If I was a Flamer fan I would be begging him to demand a trade.
by Section 312 on Jan 10, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
1. Agreed.
2. Completely disagree on all counts. The goal was a result of some crazy bounces. It’s called a fluke and it happens to all the best goalies from time to time. No blame on him for that one by me. And how does ‘playoff-atmosphere’ have anything to do with the ability to stop a shootout shot? There’s no shootout in the playoffs! So who gives a crap.
3. Agreed.
4. Agreed.
5. Agreed.
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 10, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
new tweets up from both botch and vancanucks:
oberg has been sent back to manitoba. sounds like salo will be back next game.
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So what’s the deal with this laser pointer? Is there a video? Help a brotha’ out.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 10, 2010 11:50 AM PST reply actions
Gee, how hard would it be to locate that fucker?
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 10, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
my thoughts exactly. if it was really happening all game, you’d think kipper would have said something to the refs… they would have swarmed that area, something. not justifying this piece of shit in any way, shape or form, but I think Sutter is milking this a bit with his 60 minutes comment…
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by canucklehead666 on Jan 10, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
666, about the Abbotsford affiliate and the Flames scouting the Canucks…I think it’s a non-issue. In a world with DVR’s and satellite dishes and what not players can scout any team any time.
I’m more happy that Abby got the team!
Call me paranoid, but to me having the Flames affiliate in Abbotsford reeks of a fifth column in the Eastern Fraser Valley. Oh sure, you begin going just because it’s a novelty to have live pro hockey so close. In two or three years, you’re torn because the awesome little prospect you enjoyed watching in person is now in the NHL. He’s in on Luongo…who do you cheer for? Not to mention that politically and socially, the eastern valley has far more in common with Alberta than the Lower Mainland.
Does anyone have a sense how well Heat tickets are selling? I am going to the game Wednesday vs the Moose. I didn’t even start looking for tickets until after Christmas and it seemed like I had my choice of section.
by ThomasPratt on Jan 10, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Can you explain this..
Not to mention that politically and socially, the eastern valley has far more in common with Alberta than the Lower Mainland.
I grew up, first 26 years of my life, in Aldergrove on the Abbotsford border and went to Uni in Abby and now live in Northern BC/Alberta, for the past 2 years, and see very few similiarities between the two.
by Section 312 on Jan 10, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
My lap top really can’t handle the block quote feature. Even after I upgraded to Windows 7. Strange.
Can you explain this..
“Not to mention that politically and socially, the eastern valley has far more in common with Alberta than the Lower Mainland.”
I grew up, first 26 years of my life, in Aldergrove on the Abbotsford border and went to Uni in Abby and now live in Northern BC/Alberta, for the past 2 years, and see very few similiarities between the two.
by Section 312 on Jan 10, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Can I explain some random person’s experience of life in the Fraser Valley vs life in Northern Alberta, probably not. There is no elaboration in the description whatsoever.
Besides, I wasn’t talking the Valley and any and all parts of BC. I was talking specifically about the Lower Mainland compared to the Valley. I dare say Northern BC is not all that similar to the Lower Mainland, either.
by ThomasPratt on Jan 10, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Can you explani your comment though? That is what I asked you to do. Expalin this……“Not to mention that politically and socially, the eastern valley has far more in common with Alberta than the Lower Mainland”
by Section 312 on Jan 10, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
For instance there are 3 MLA’s from Abbotsford and all 3 are Liberals. Including North Vancouver there are more Liberal MLA’s in Vancouver than NDPers. Plus Abbotsford has the 4th highest proportion in Canada of visible minorities just behind Vancouver. Seems to me they are pretty similar. So can you please explain your comment because Maybe I misunderstood what you meant.
The other observation I would make is that the Fraser Valley is not the part of BC that the Canucks should be worrying about if they are worried about not having enough fans. It is the North. There are vastly more Oilers, Flames, Habs and Leafs fans in Northern BC than there are Canucks fans. I feel like a refugee up here!! The Nucks need to come up here for a training camp now and again to spread their fan base.
by Section 312 on Jan 10, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, and to all the Flames fans out there: any Canucks fan worth his stuff is angered and embarrassed by the idiot at the game last night with the laser pointer. It was a pathetic, dangerous and completely misguided attempt at being a ‘fan’, so please don’t think any real Canucks fan approves of that. I hate the Flames, but we don’t need to resort to cheating to beat them. And what if Kiprusoff had suffered some type of vision injury? I want this person brought up on charges, to send a message that this kind of stupidity is not tolerated.
Well said. The only amendment I would suggest is that you address that to all hockey fans, not just Flames fans. I, for example, am a fan of neither team and I was outraged. That was beyond the pale.
I must say I am heartened by the universal condemnation of this muttonhead I am finding on this forum, just as strong as it was on Calgary’s. The response here has forced me to conclude that perhaps not all Canuck fans are douchebags after all :), although this particular lunatic was all of that with a capital D.B. An embarrassment not just to Vancouverites or Canadians or hockey fans generally, but to the human race. That is nothing short of assault with a weapon. Prosecute that prick.
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An embarrassment not just to Vancouverites or Canadians or hockey fans generally, but to the human race.
Bingo. It’s really startlingly how people forget it’s a damn game at the end of the night. If you can’t wrap your head around that, you probably shouldn’t be shelling out the coin for front row seats.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 10, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
I for one actually thought the laser pointer guy was outstanding. Very funny and entertaining. That was awesome. hahahahah screw you Kipper.
Now I have to run. Beavis and Butthead is on and after that I am going to do the Macarena. I am totally listening to my discman right now. Grunge rules. Oh and before I forget does anyone have any kick ass pogs I can have?
You’ll have the win those pogs from me, but I have to warn you I have a pretty kickass slammer. It has a SKULL on it.
by thelastjohnny on Jan 10, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, see my above post, Sean. Everything was screwed up on Defence.
by thelastjohnny on Jan 10, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
My friend has dubbed the first line:
Swedish Burr-ies
I wish my name could be made into witty puns.
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
- Dallas Stars Forum
So after the game last night I’m at a bar in Yaletown with my jersey on, drinking a few brews. This older guy comes up and starts talking about the game with me. I asked him if he was at the game and he said he was visiting from Ontario to see his son play. I was like “Oh who’s your son?” and he says “Kyle Wellwood”
I was drinking and talking hockey with Wellwood’s dad. He actually looked just like him and had a similar voice. Really nice guy too. He said Kyle was coming a bit later and I could meet him but I had to leave for a while, and he wasn’t there when I came back. Oh well.
Just thought I’d share the story. :)
Burrows + Canucks = Stanley Cup!
Wow, that is a pretty cool. If only we knew that before hand, we could have sent you there with a list of questions :)
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by Yankee Canuck on Jan 10, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
I love Wellwood also. He may not be scoring much but I just love the way he plays. I felt like a dork because when he told me Kyle was his son I was like “He’s my favorite player!!!” haha.
Burrows + Canucks = Stanley Cup!
I would have dug a little deeper, like asking him what Woody thought of his linemates
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 10, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
For the record lets be honest about wellwood. If new NHL is really going to start calling all the stuff they say will call wellwood is great as our third line centre. If not and that seems to be the case then nope we have kes and hank and line three should be crash and bash so who needs wellwood?
He is not suited a game like last night and if that is way it is what is coming down so long pal he would be a fine second line centre on a less talented team. Really it is as simple as that. As a player and person i think he is awesome.
Preds arent a divisional rival dude.
Laser pointer was embarrassing, thankfully no goals were scored due to that tosser. Has been happening a bit in Australia lately too, ands the Australian soccer goalie was targeted in kuwait last week.
again here is the deal on this
Happen around 2003 in US National Football League and Major League Baseball. Both games dealt with it the same way. First sign of this crap – stop the game. Let the stadium security and fans know that it is going on.
Let them them know you will restart the game once the idiot is turned over to security. Security gathers up the moron boot him out the arena or stadium. It takes 5 minutes what is the big deal? It will only happen once and life goes on.
exactly. and why would sutter let this continue if he knew it was happening all game? he would have been screaming about it… curious…
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by canucklehead666 on Jan 10, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
Just saw the highlights, looked like a pretty intense game, something more expected of a playoff game. But that might be wrong as it was just the highlights
The Sedin goal was outrageous. Are they telepathic?
Such a nice goal. I’m kinda surprised that’s all they really did all night. They had some good shifts besides that goal but Calgary did a really good job shutting them down and basically the whole team. If the Sedins did have a good shift, they only really were able to get 1 shot then Calgary moves the puck out of their zone. Was hard to watch the whole team struggle so much.
I think that’s my frustration with that game, the effort level we saw for the last month and a half just wasn’t there. Given how often Calgary had played in the last week, a tenacious effort from all 4 lines might have seen the Flames run out of gas early…
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by canucklehead666 on Jan 11, 2010 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
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