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Pick The Rival: The Northeast Division

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So far we've established that Vancouver fans have a bit of a problem when it comes to Ovechkin and the Caps as well as anyone donning a Rangers dress jersey.

Let's close out the East and turn our rival attention at the Northeast Division. Come along as we review what is commonly accepted as Vancouver's worst trade in franchise history, take a peek at a line brawl or two, remember the glorious "Vote For Rory" campaign with enough time left over to still hate on Alexander Daigle and watch Greg Adams send the Canucks into the Stanley Cup Finals in 1994.

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Boston Bruins

Franchise Record: 106GP, 24W, 65L, 15T, 2OTL, 65pts

June 6, 1986 anyone? Maybe the exact date doesn't ring a bell, but a deal for Barry Pederson in exchange for some clown a mother named Cam Neely and a 1st round pick that turned into Glen Wesley probably should. For good reason, many still call this Vancouver's worst trade ever since it's not often a team that can't score loses the prototypical power forward of his generation. Not that Pederson was bad (two back to back 50 assist seasons ain't bad at all) but Cam Neely he wasn't. Pederson was traded a few seasons later to Pittsburgh where he won a Cup in 1991. Cam would go on to be the man in Boston, land in the HHOF in 2005 and - most importantly - give you a reason to like seabass again.

In the past decade Vancouver is 4-4 with three ties and two OTLs against Boston. However, Vancouver has failed to score against Boston since a 5-2 win in 2005; in 2006 Boston blanked them 2-0 and early last year Tim Thomas shut them down again in a 1-0 snoozefest.

Fun fact: Glancing at the franchise records shows the Bruins are one of a few Northeast teams that have historically pwned Vancouver. The Bruins have scored the third highest goals against the Canucks (4.07 a game) while, in return, the Canucks have scored the fourth fewest goals per game against the Bruins (2.78 a game). You'll have to wait until we get to the West to figure out, historically speaking, who Vancouver can't score against even if their lives depended on it.

And, for no particular reason, here is second-timer-around Dave Scatchard forcing then-Bruin Joe Thornton into his first fight (I forgot Thornton used to look more like a surfer than a hockey guy):

 

 

Buffalo Sabres

Franchise Record: 107GP, 44W, 43L, 19T, 1OTL, 108pts

Buffalo and Vancouver have hooked up for a few notable trades: Mogilny for Peca, Wilson and a first rounder (that turned into Jay McKee) in 1995, Brad May for Geoff Sanderson in 1999, Mika Noronen for a pick in 2006, Taylor Pyatt for a pick in 2006 and finally the Holy Bernier for a pick in 2008. Vancouver is 6-4-1-1 in the past decade against the Sabres though, honestly, none of them truly jump out at me except one: two years ago Dany Sabourin came ridiculously close to winning his first NHL game before the Sabres (then the best team in the East) stormed back, scored in the final minute of the game and won 4-3 in the SO. Let's not forget Rory Fitzpatrick either, the blue collar defenseman who gained notoriety three seasons ago during the "Vote For Rory" All-Star Ballot laughter we all had, laying the groundwork for Montreal's ballotbox stuffing initiative last year.

Fun fact(s): The Canucks first ever franchise road victory was a 4-1 win in Buffalo in October 1970. In that same game, Canucks goalie Dunc Wilson stopped the team’s first penalty shot against the Sabres Paul Andrea.

Also, in 1996 Mogilny became the 4th player in history to score 50 goals for two clubs (Buffalo/Vancouver). Hell Buffalo also can add Pat LaFontaine to that group too (NY Islanders/Buffalo)

Lastly, I present you this gem of a line brawl from over a decade ago. Forget Chicago, this one has it all: besides the Messier-led Vancouver team getting smoked, Sean Burke is hitting something that isn't his wife, you have Brashear jumping Peca and then another Sabre before it's all over, a young looking Hasek happy as hell he's on the bench and the announcer ends the clip telling Keenan and the Canucks to basically go fuck themselves. Bonus points: if you look real quick at the end of the clip you'll see a confused looking Bure on the bench too. Again, an absolute beauty.

 

Montreal Canadiens

Franchise Record: 112GP, 27W, 72L, 13T, 0OTL, 67pts

Les Habitants is probably the extent of my French language capabilities (wait, not true, I can probably say 'Les Miserables' correctly after two failed attempts).

I suspect the Canadiens will be an instant vote for some just based on cultural or regional hate. I can dig that (I dig all kinds of irrational hate). But let's look at the positives: in 1990, Montreal was kind enough to trade Jyrki Lumme to Vancouver for a second rounder  that turned into Craig Darby who Vancouver would later reacquire in 2005 but never use. A year later they sent over Gerald Diduck for a fourth rounder (Vladimir Vujtek). Both Lumme and Diduck were big pieces to the 94 team (and Lumme is up there with Ohlund in franchise defenseman point records). In 1996 the Habs sent over Donald Brashear which guaranteed some McSorley-esque fun for a few seasons.

And in recent years Vancouver has been dominant over Montreal: 12-5-1 since 1999. In fact, up until last year's lame 3-0 loss, Vancouver hadn't lost to Montreal since November 30, 2000.

Now the bad news (which I'll put under the fun facts thereby making it seem more upbeat than it really is):

Fun fact: Vancouver's first trip to the playoffs came in their fifth season (in the old Smythe division). They won the division and earned a bye, so they lead off the second round against the Canadiens who beat them in five. The Canucks first ever playoff game? A 6-2 loss in the Montreal Forum. I haz a sad.

Stepping back, look at the franchise record between Vancouver and Montreal above. See those 67 points? That represents the worst points percentage Vancouver has historically against any team. In other words, when considering the frequency of games and the win/losses over the past four decades, no one beats Vancouver more efficiently than Montreal. I'll wait while you grab the gin. No need for the glass, just imbibe from the bottle.

Now that I have you upset, let's get a smile back on yer mug with another old school line brawl (I think it's from 1987) and wait until 4:35 for some, um, quality Montreal trim to make a showing. Heck let the video run until the end for some bonus Jets/Flyers violence too.

 

 

Ottawa Senators

Franchise Record: 25GP, 13W, 10L, 2T, OTL, 28pts

Another Canadian team, so here's another chance to cultivate some family-friendly hatred. Case in point:

Ottawa Senators: Probably the worst and gayest team to ever play a game in the NHL.

If you ignore the Shannon/Nycholat deal from last summer, I believe there's only been one other trade between Vancouver and Ottawa and that involved your favorite duct-taped soul Sami Salo. Back in 2002 Vancouver acquired Glass Joe in exchange for Peter Schaefer which turned out to be a good deal since Salo is still (some would say regrettably) a top four player while Schaefer spent last year playing for the Providence Bears (Boston's AHL affiliate) and was bought out by Boston this past June.

Some notables have split time between the two teams, including  the original third Sedin Magnus Arvedson, Jarkko Ruutu, Grant Ledyard, Bryan Smolinski and Brad Isbister (snicker).

In the past decade Vancouver has an 8-7 record against Ottawa and hasn't lost to them since March 2004.

Fun fact: Alexander Daigle's short lived entertainment company, Imposter Entertainment, has the most annoying website navigation I have ever seen. And, if you're so inclined, his email address is still listed. Do wish him the best with his HC Davos career.

Also, just to annoy Zanny, here's Naslund going end to end against the Sens:

 

 

Toronto Maple Leafs

Franchise Record: 128GP, 54W, 50L, 22T, 2TL, 132pts

The last Canadian team in the division (alphabetically anyway) is probably the one that's going to irk the most folks. I'm the worst person to explain the Leafs hate because I'm a xenophobic American who can't read and owns many, many firearms. Could be the whole "center of the universe" thing or maybe it's literally maple leaf envy, I don't know. I'd say ask Zandberg but he used to like the Leafs so I'm afraid we're both equally useless.

The Leafs were kind enough to send over Tiger Williams and Jerry Butler in exchange for Rick Vaive and Bill Derlago in 1980. Tiger Williams is heavily respected in Vancouver lore (though his particular brand of goal celebrations looks creepier with age). I couldn't validate something I saw on Wikipedia, but they claim Williams still holds the record for most penalty minutes in the playoffs for both teams (not too far a stretch considering he still holds the league career record for most PIMs by a single player). Fast forward to 1995 when Toronto swapped Mike Ridley in exchange for Sergio Momesso (Ridley played two seasons for Vancouver before retiring while Momesso's stop in Toronto was a forgettable 54 game affair). The teams have had a number of smaller deals over the years (for failed prospects on both sides) and fans for both will forever be able to bicker when the names Felix Potvin, Kyle Wellwood, Mats Sundin and Brian Burke come up. Fine, Dave Nonis too.

In the past decade Vancouver is an even 8-8-2-2 against the Leafs but hasn't been on the losing end against them since 2003.

Fun Fact: Vancouver's first ever NHL victory? The second game in their inaugural 1970 season, they beat the Leafs at home 5-3. Wayne Maki scored two goals in the effort.

And since we already brought up Potvin, enjoy watching Greg Adams beat him in the second OT of the 1994 Western Conference final to send Vancouver into the SCF against New York:

 

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Who is Vancouver's biggest Northeast division rival?
Boston Bruins
29 votes
Buffalo Sabres
15 votes
Montreal Canadiens
50 votes
Ottawa Senators
7 votes
Toronto Maple Leafs
196 votes

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Tough Call

My Significant Other happily wore an “Anyone but Montreal” shirt she got from a Buffalo fan in her younger days, but it’s more pity I’ve felt for them over the past decade rather than hate. Plus, that fight clip reminded me of Mats Naslund (no relation), whostarred for me in my first ever hockey pool… (I had the 14th pick that year, whadd’ya want?)

Likewise Toronto – They’ve been run so badly for so long, it’s difficult to hate them, really.

Boston? That’s hard, as they were a fantastic team for a lot of years. Anyone with Borque and Neely got a pass.

Buffalo is our expansion cousins, but they’re a perpetual underdog, much like Vancouver was for decades.

So, Ottawa? I followed them since Laurie Boschman, and was quite happy when they finally became a good team.

You know what? As in all aspects of my life, I’m going to let television be my guide! For the sheer annoyance, repetition, and over-exposed ineptitude, I’m going to have to go with Toronto. For the years of trying to find a game that didn’t involve the Leafs, for the early starts on the West Coast when they played out here, for the belief that getting Gary Leeman for Doug Gilmour was a good idea, for the misspelled logo, they “win” this contest.

by Thursday on Sep 4, 2009 10:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Hold up:

You took Mats Naslund with your 14th pick?

I’ll be straight up with you Thursday…..are you Mats Naslund and can I have your autograph?

by Sneps-ish on Sep 4, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, now...

He had 110 points the year before. Not a bad catch for the 14th overall pick in any draft! Unfortunately, he fell to 80 that season, so maybe it wasn’t such a great pick after all…

by Thursday on Sep 4, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

On one hand....

…Id like to see the Maple Leafs break their dry spell.

On the other hand, bland, conservative Toronto
(barring Parkdale/Roncesvalles/Kennsington Market) can kiss my West Coast-raised ass.

Toronto it is then.

(grabs Buffalo, feeds it, kisses it and rubs its long-suffering belly)

by Sneps-ish on Sep 4, 2009 10:48 AM PDT reply actions  

I’d say ask Zandberg but he used to like the Leafs so I’m afraid we’re both equally useless.

I still do like the Leafs and watch their games every Saturday. But just from being a bigger Leaf fan in the 80’s and early 90’s I can attest to the Canucks fans’ hate for them. I heard it all.

Many Westerners think Easterners (especially Torontonians) have their head snugly inserted into their asses and think that they are the center of the universe. Well in a sense they are. Toronto is a hockey-insane city, rich with history. The envy part comes into play a bit from westerners just because of that. We feel ignored out here, not just with the mainstream media love-fest for the east, but politically as well. Fair to say? Somebody back me up.
The 1994 Semi-Finals round was such a massive proof that the hatred exists. Every time the Leafs come to Vancouver the hate is there.
There are more Leafs jerseys being worn in Vancouver than most Vancouverites would like, which flames the hatred.

by Sean Zandberg on Sep 4, 2009 10:48 AM PDT reply actions  

See? This is why I didn’t bother trying to explain it. I wanted to draw a comparison between Toronto and NYC (the center of the universe thing) but what’s the point.

For the record, I voted for Montreal since they have an absolutely sick record against us and we should never lose again to them this century (there I said it)

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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 4, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would have voted for the Habs based on the success they’ve had against the Nucks, but its hard to do so when the likes of the Richard Bros., Bob Gainey and Jacques Plante wore their sweater.
The Canadiens at one point weren’t just a Hockey Club, they were Super Heros,
the Justice League of the NHL quite frankly, and for decades at that!
Certainly its frustrating to be an inferior team playing them(see: Leafs, Maple),
but some of their players meant more to the fabric of Quebec society than
your average Canuck fan could feel towards the Bures or Naslund’s of our team history.

by Sneps-ish on Sep 4, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m immune to the Evil Monkey’s, um, ‘monkeyshines’. (shrugs)

I met Bure briefly, and loved his talent, which was immense and great,
but the man was still a giant prick.
The fact remains that Henri and Maurice Richard gave a damn about Quebec and its people,
you think the Russian Rocket gave a s much a goddamn about Vancouver?
Here is an artist rendering of Pavel Bure:

by Sneps-ish on Sep 4, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m with you on this one, Sneps-ish. 100%. I can’t hate the Habs either. I’ve been to Montreal, went to a Habs Sabres game, partied with a bunch of them and they are a passionate yet very decent and hospitable bunch. Best time of my life. Being at the Molson Center….it was like being in a holy place. So much history plastered all over the place (banners and pictures). And if you think Canucks fans are fickle…nope. Habs fans at live games take the cake. But that was all part of the glorious experience.
Don’t get me wrong though…I admire the Habs of old and respect. That’s about it.

by Sean Zandberg on Sep 4, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know everyone hates Bure for how he left, but he’s the one that got me to pay attention to this sport (and the Canucks) to begin with. I long ago gave up on athletes giving a damn about the city they play in. But everyone has that one Richie Rich who got them in the sport and he’s mine.

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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 4, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

absolutely

Bure when he first came here …yeah…and even later.

I was one of those that had already developed the opinion you have of giving a damn where they play.

Except for Steve Francis. He was just a punk. I have yet to see any draft pick in any sport since ever tremble his bottom lip and almost cry in reaction to where.

Fuck that punk.

BUt as for the rest, I was upset, sure, but it was that good break up with your girl where you can still be friends…or FWB! LOL

Its not like Bure got traded to or ever played for the Flames!

vancitydan

by vancitydan on Sep 4, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have yet to see any draft pick in any sport since ever tremble his bottom lip and almost cry in reaction to where.

Can you explain that further. Otherwise I can give you some names to rebut your point.

by Sean Zandberg on Sep 4, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Went looking for it and missed, but there is a pretty famous piece of video from the 1999 NBA Draft when the guy that was supposed to be the “talent” of the draft reacted to coming to Vancouver with a face like some one just shit in his mouth.

I swear, it looked like he was going to cry…pretty sure he refused the hat…

Most of the guys at least wear the hat!

vancitydan

by vancitydan on Sep 4, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, because I think any Ontarian that gets drafted by the Leafs is pretty stoked. Oh wait..they don’t draft people from Ontario (much)

by Sean Zandberg on Sep 4, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I also hold the memory of young Bure just as dear, I’m just looking forward to this period of potential great players at GM Place who want to be there.
Bure was the hot girlfriend that dumped us far too quickly for our liking.

by Sneps-ish on Sep 4, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but “she” was too banged up. See what I did there?

by Sean Zandberg on Sep 4, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sort of Sean...

But you are coming from an originally Eastern perspective, no?

Let me see if I can give you a Western one…or try.

I don’t think its envy though Zanny.

See, for those of us of a certain age(and our progeny that grew up with it) were hockey fans of other teams. For me it was the Bruins. But others were Leaf and Hab fans.

Then we get a team! Glory be, hallelujah!

And proceed to turn on HNIC (back then, a few BCTV games and what we could get from CBC on Sat night. Maybe a couple games a year) and have to endure the fucking Leafs sucking. Being forced to endure the Ballard years when you live in Armstrong (before a couple other small towns …and the bright lights of Vancity)…thats gonna build up some hatred Sean.

Most of its good natured now

Leaf fan ; “yeah, well you guys have never won a Cup”

‘Nucks fan ; " You guys haven’t won one for longer"

Leafs fan ; “yeah, but we are the mother fucking Leafs!” (usually accompanied by much self congrats and chest thumping)

’Nucks fan : “1994!1994”!!!

and so on …and on and on and on.

Sure we have friends that are still Leaf fans Sean. But they are pretty major Canuck fans too, in spite of themselves. Apart from them laughably taking Blake too soon every year in the hockey pool. They are pretty cool. Sorta…

So, its not envy, I think. Left Coaster know we live in one of the greatest places on Earth. The fact that some in T.O keep insisting that title should rest 3,000 miles to the East should just listen closer to the expatriates out here. Most of them are the most ardent of Vancouverites by now…

Except for being Leaf fans…

Which I would say are the best rival, just for the fun reasons listed above.

But I really enjoyed those very few times we beat the Habs way back when. Buffalo…just not enough hatred there.

Pffht to the Sens…I was a Bruins fan as a kid.

Naaah…who am I kidding, its the Leafs.

Hate those fucking guys!

Mind you…from to

was pretty cool!

vancitydan

by vancitydan on Sep 4, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was born and raised in BC. You say it’s hate and not envy? I would put the 2 together. Maybe YOU aren’t envious but I know many others are. It goes with the turf of being excluded, most of the time. The Leafs have a shitty history since 1967 mostly and the Canucks have been to the Finals twice to the Leafs NONE since. Aside from that, the Leaf fans..along with Habs fans can still have the one-up on us for having won the Cup multiple times.

by Sean Zandberg on Sep 4, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah but

Apart from the Habs, who I wasn’t including (though I do agree it is mucho enjoyable to beat them!), the Leafs have never even gotten a sniff since it was a 6 team league.

What I am saying, that hatred, or envy, or whatever you want to call it, is overblown. I have a friend who is from T.O, an Lifer Leaf fan…yet when we were watching Game 6 lat year…he was the loudest guy in the bar…bemoaning the Canucks fate.

Think he cried even more than me!

No one really cares about the leafs ancient history except the most hardcore of Leaf fans.

I find whenever they say…“the last time we won the Cup”…or…“how many times have you won a Cup”, an hardy round of “1994” usually shuts em up.

I love the rivalry Sean…we are just talkin’…good to here you are a lifer out in the Wilds of BC…

I have to admit, in the spirit of full disclosure…I was born in Calgary and moved here when I was 4…

Please don’t hold it against me! Fuckin’ Flamers!

vancitydan

by vancitydan on Sep 4, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions  

well if we can beat the Leafs to winning a Cup in the next few years there will be a hell of a lot of gloating from our end! “Close” only counts with horseshoes and hand grenades so the saying goes.

by Sean Zandberg on Sep 4, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Short Story

I was working in a little glass box surrounded by spotlights where people gave me money for serviced rendered, when a mother and son approached me. They had been arguing about the season that just ended (1991-92), and asked me who I thought “should have won the cup”, Montreal or Toronto?

To which I replied: “Well, ma’am, out hear we don’t particularly care who wins, so long as it stays out of the hands of those Eastern bastards.”

He laughed, she didn’t.

“You realize we are two of those ‘Eastern bastards’, right?”

“Yes, ma’am. And you’re not there now.”

by Thursday on Sep 4, 2009 11:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Ye gods...

Just re-read what I wrote: where’s the “edit” button, dang it?

by Thursday on Sep 4, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here’s an idea. Hit the preview button, then the post button. Just a thought. You’re welcome.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Sep 5, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

THENK yew...

Thenk yew veddy veddy metch.

Schmuck. 8)

by Thursday on Sep 5, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never hit the preview either, Thursday. But an edit button would be easier. Just because Smoboy is a geek….hyuk!

by Sean Zandberg on Sep 5, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Peasants.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Sep 6, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

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