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Here…..comes the…Rayzor’s Edge!
Well it is true..he has played in front of some god awful defence over the past few years.
Shut it, Thesaurus. You know what I mean.
by Sean Zandberg on Sep 11, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Toronto does seem like Goalie Graveyard/ East Division though.
Talk to any Leaf fan and Razor is a little better than Hitler. But not much. They hate that guy.
Seems a little harsh.
I agree with Yankee (GASP!!!) with the no no no…just a little less. I am willing to give a past Calder winner the chance to see if he has it any more.
This would be the best team he ever played on…
vancitydan
Leaf fans need to take out their frustration on someone, I guess. Really, they should be ripping upper mgmt a new one cuz that’s where the problems lay all those years: with the micro-managers on the board of directors who never gave a damn about winning.
They supposedly promised Burke more autonomy but, well, there’s still that parable about the scorpion and the frog to consider.
The fact of the matter is that Raycroft simply played himself out of a job in Toronto. Yes, in his first year with the Leafs, he had 37 wins, but that statistic is misleading. He also played a hell of a lot more games than most other Leaf goaltenders, and actually had a half-decent team in front of him (and I do mean half decent, unlike Toskala last year). I’ve watched more games than I care to remember slip away in the 3rd when he let in a beach ball or two. There were soft goals left, right, and centre that were unmistakably his fault. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that he can’t rebound, but I really don’t think he was just thrown under the bus because he played for a bad team.
Ladies and Gentlemen...a Leafs fan...
Lets give him a hand…
Rationalizations are a wonderful thing!
He was not only thrown under the bus in T.O Fleet, they backed it up and ran over him again…
Repeatedly.
vancitydan
Easy, vancitydan. Easy.
I think Fleet Fox makes a good point. But I’m going to say it was a bit of both. I watched a lot of those Leafs games too. The Leafs sucked at defence.
by Sean Zandberg on Sep 12, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Sean…Easy? That was just having some fun!
I watched a lot of those games too. and while I can agree that there was the occasional softy, I always thought Razor got a bad deal in T.O.
It became a self fulfilling prophecy…people saying he was bad, and then when a questionable goal would go in, roasting him.
The fact is that T.O may be harder on goalies than us…even Felix the Cat was run out of town, and he was one of the better ones there.
Cujo? A public debate about money…and they should have never been so cheap with him.
“unmistakenly his fault” there Fleet? Its a team game. Razor never threw his teammates under the bus during those times.
They sure did with him though…. I never saw a defenseman once say, "i should have had the back door play, or “Razor made the big save, but we just couldn’t back him up”.
Because the players saw the media had a whipping boy…and decided it was easier leaving him out there alone than rightly taking some of the blame.
Not saying Razor is a great goalie…just that he is not as bad as Leaf fans think.
(Every time you say Razor to a Leaf fan is like saying Woolerton to a Dog River denizen!)
vancitydan
I agree with your Raycroft POV’s mostly. It’s no fun for a goalie to lose his confidence in a cruel Canadian city.
As for the “easy” part..I can’t tell if you’re just having fun or being a dick. This is typing and not face to face after all. It’s ok to roast Leaf fans, but not to the point of making them feel unwelcomed here. Thanks for clarifying though. Geez, you’re like a rabid dog. I can’t wait to see your comments in a game thread when the Nucks play Toronto….
by Sean Zandberg on Sep 12, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh, trash talk is to be expected in another team’s barn. One thing I need to correct, though. Cujo accepted less money to play elsewhere, because he thought he had a better shot at the cup. It wasn’t the Leafs cheaping out on a classy guy. (He flopped in Detroit, of course.)
Raycroft had another chance the following year to beat out Toskala for the starting job and lost. Toskala had better numbers that year and managed to steal a few games for us. Raycroft didn’t. Plain and simple.
Did the pressure of TO get to him? You bet. Are the expectations and/or the level of pressure always fair? No, but you deal with them, because you’re supposed to be the best at your sport, and you’re paid millions of dollars to do so. If he regained some of that Calder-winning confidence playing in Colorado, good for him. I can’t say I harbor any ill will.
Good to see you’re a good sport. Stealing games is a loaded statement, much like GAA or save %. What were the quality of chances? I saw a lot of bad defensive coverage in Toronto and it wasn’t just with Raycroft…it was in the Cujo and Belfour years as well.
I agree with your point of dealing with the pressure though.
by Sean Zandberg on Sep 12, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
But Cujo and Belfour are still considered to have done fantastic work in Toronto through those years (although Belfour was injured late in his last year), whereas Raycroft is not. No doubt though, Raycroft will have better numbers sitting behind a better defensive unit.
Cujo and Belfour had to be GODS playing in Toronto, and they were. Don’t make me post a bad D Leafs clip…don’t make me…
Ah fuck it.. here you go:
This clip is the epitomy of Leaf D failures:
by Sean Zandberg on Sep 12, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Just having fun...
I thought it was a gentle jibe, but I see what you are saying Sean.
Rabid dog? Naah…I think its because have been on the G&M threads for a couple years. Pretty T.O centric there, and of course they have that smug contempt for Canucks fans that is always prefaced with winning a Cup in 67… so there is that.
sigh…
Nonetheless, its good to just talk puck with people that know the game. I do try to keep the “face to face” thing in mind.
I promise you there is never any ill will. (welllll…LOL!! just kidding)
I’ll keep that in mind though.
Fleet, good point about Cujo…it looked from out there that he got the “well, he’s not a Leaf any more so he sucks” treatment during that whole thing.
We just have to look at poor Carey Price and what his season is going to be like this year to see how bad Cdn. fans can be about goalies. How many times did you hear some Canuck fans screaming for Luongo to be traded this summer, or have heard the “he’s never won anything” comment.
You never hear as much about a D’man…(OK…McCabe in T.O was pretty close) And Ehrhoff in SJ by the sounds of things…!
Peace
vancitydan
I want Dan with me next time some dick tells me the Canucks aren’t going to win anything with Luongo in net.
I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.
Anybody have to endure “trade Luongo for Carey Price” rumors/desires?"
I did. I told them all to shut the hell up.
by Sean Zandberg on Sep 12, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Not only that, but Gillis will “make it happen.”
by Bobby Canuck on Sep 12, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
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