Are The Canucks and Sundin Negotiating? Is Gillis About To Land Mats?
UPDATE: Right, just as expected. Sundin's agent Claes Elefalk denies denies denies. But make no mistake, you know Gillis is working Sundin over like Tyson on Holyfield's ear. (to steal a quote from Yankee). More on all this in the comments section.
UPDATE: 12:47 AM: I should clarify that the Sportsnet article was written by insider Mike Brophy. I'm sure Brophy has a lot of sources, but he is bad at predicting. Sorry Mike. There is still no other mainstream sites reporting on this story. I am expecting this rumor to grow legs by tomorrow but to be shot down by one or both of Sundin's agents. Hell, a $2 million deal would be enough to make his agents fill the back of their pants.
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According to Sportsnet's sources they are.
The 38-year-old Swede is said to be in negotiations with the Canucks and could sign a contract valued in the neighborhood of $2 million to be the team's second-line centre. Vancouver may be prepared to make a trade if it is necessary to fit Sundin under the salary cap, if necessary.
"Mats enjoyed his time in Vancouver last season and is looking forward to playing with the team this year," a source told Sportsnet.ca.
Yeah, everybody has speculated how much of a paycut Sundin would have to take in order to play here. Would he actually play for that kind of money? Yeesh, maybe if you tacked on a wad of incentives.
Time will tell if Sportsnet is hearing correctly. If they are negotiating, nothing has reached the ears of any Swedish outlet. Gillis had made it clear that he would want Sundin to make up his mind and play by training camp. So I think we will be (contain yourselves) hearing much more about this saga over the coming days. It's no secret to you all that I would gladly welcome Mats back. I'm sure several Canucks feel the same way, right Kesler?
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Count me as one that loves it. Mats made that 2nd line hum once they got going.
Even a step slower, Mats makes the PP deadly, the second line dangerous, and could easily get 65-70 points.
Sounds pretty good for 2 mil.
Lets hope Brophy is right…
vancitydan
Maybe he brought Josephine on that fishing trip on Vancouver Island and she fell in love with the place. heh….
Sounds too good to be true. His agent will most likely deny it over the next few hours, naturally. $2 million? Could you imagine? I just can’t see Mats doing that. If he does, it truly shows his admiration for the Canucks and Gillis and his desire to win a Cup before he hangs them up.
The last time Sportsnet’s sources broke a story about the Canucks, it was about Lou’s extension.
by Sean Zandberg on Sep 10, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Sportsnet can honestly be called the Canucks’ station, as well as the Canucks’ mouthpiece.
by Bobby Canuck on Sep 10, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Man, I’m feeling too damned giddy right now. But I must compose myself. It’s not a done deal. Shit, The Sundins must have gotten home from their honeymoon and there was Gillis sitting on their couch! haha.
Damn, I should Photoshop something along those lines..
by Sean Zandberg on Sep 10, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Sundin added a certain presence to the team, like the rest of the team was all putting in extra effort because there was a hall-of-famer on the lineup and they wanted to earn his respect.
I’d kind of like to see him back. It’d be surprising if he gave us that big of a discount, I’d imagine if he does sign it would be for a bit more and at that point I’d be interested to see what pieces we had to move to fit him in.
Should be interesting seeing whether this rumour has any truth to it, anyways!
Love it. A full season of Mats (even if he takes 10-ish games to get going) would be great. Remember, until last year, he has basically been a point-per-game guy since the lockout. What lockout you ask? Oh yeah, that one back in 1994-95. Seriously, he is a solid performer – and I think with a full season on the Canucks 2nd line, he could be counted upon for 65-70 points.
Let’s say we either a) trade Demitra; or b) send him to the minors when he comes of IR (thoughts on this idea anyone?). That, along with some deft, Gillis-esque maneuvering, could ensure us both a solid blue-line and deep/talented forward corps. I am very stoked about the Canucks line-up as it stands right now – Sundin would only add to my excitement!
Bizzaro Land
I’ve been called a dreamer due to my love for the Canucks. Always dreaming up could be trades and signing and such. To hear that Mats is still a possibility makes me giddy but also hesitant. Hesitant why? Because what do we have to do to take on a salary like Sudins. Yes 2 million sounds great. But really? Is that all he wants? How do incentives work? Do they go against the cap or is that another loophole that GM’s have found? Doubt it.
Who are we going to trade to make room? At first I was all gung ho about moving Juice to make room for an offensive player. But with the way our D is set up right now and with Lui in for 12 FREAKIN YEARS!!!! I say don’t touch it. If we are talking Demo being moved that would be a perfect F’n world. But who is going to take a injured overpaid player.
I like everything Mats brought to the table last year. Yes he should of started at the beginning of camp. And if he does sign. He better be in Van now setting up lunch dates with Gina Luongo and his new bride. There is no excuse to not be in it for the whole season.
Keslord trainning can continue under Mats and his confidence would continue to grow. A solid 2nd line Centerman and a man with tremendous respect and leadership. So many upsides.
But at what cost?
SOB maybe but why Samuelsson? We just inked the dude to a three year deal; we’ll move him for an older guy on a one year deal? Gillis wouldn’t do that.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 11, 2009 4:25 AM PDT up reply actions
My Word
This would change a few of my pool picks…
Rock-solid scoring through two lines? Can such things be?
Numbers
For me it is all about the number. If he comes back for 2 million a year I will be very happy with that. But the higher that number goes the more I dislike the idea of re-signing Sundin. We do need more proven scoring especially on the second line and it might be hard to come by at this point. So maybe Mats is the best option. Some how, some way, MG has got to find a way to get rid of Demitra.
Big if but if MG were to get Mats for 2 million and get rid of Demitra it would be the single greatest off-season in Canucks history.
I understand your disdain for Demitra. But I just don’t see Gillis dumping him. Like somebody said on the CDC boards, it doesn’t really send a good message to the free agents in the future. Even if that argument is invalid, I still don’t see him doing it due to loyalty reasons.
by Sean Zandberg on Sep 11, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Plus I think that Gillis truly believes the two veterans work really well together.
by Bobby Canuck on Sep 11, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think Gillis is going to dump Demitra either. (and I have to say it seems like it would be a dumping, like MG takes Demo out for a nice dinner, candle lit and tells him that he thinks they need to see other people, explore other options, it’s what’s best for both of them. Demo would probably cry a little but ultimately I feel like they would find a way to remain friends ala Jerrry and Elaine) I don’t think Gillis wants to get rid of him for nothing and I don’t think you could get much for him in a trade right now. I just would like him and his 4 million dollars off of my team. Say what you want about comparable players as someone did below but I don’t think I would want Arnott, Gomez or Lupul either.
by Section 312 on Sep 11, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
It would be a salary dump. So, Demitra for a 2nd round pick in 2010, for example.
by Sean Zandberg on Sep 11, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, the Canucks can at least field a geriatric line with Sundin and Schneider (walkers optional)…guess the trainers will have to stock up on Geritol.
Everyone thinks Demo is out…how on earth can you get rid of an under-performing injured player? Rather, the players to suffer will be the likes of Hansen, Raymond, Grabner, Hodgson. The old man will take time from a young buck…
You know, I know everyone thinks his 4 mil and blah blah blah…but really guys, Demo was as much a part of Kesler’s 2nd half breakout as Sundin.
Looking at comparable salaries and production, you have guys like Lupul in Ana, who had 10 more games and 3 less points. 4.5 mil
Or Jason Arnott, 4 less games than our boy, 4 more points, and he makes 4.5.
How about Gomez…a better comparison. Similar games. Gomez may have a slight edge in talent…8 more games, 5 more points, and he makes 7.5 freaking millions a year.
I am just fine with Demo starting on the IR, seeing how the kids play. He comes back and they have a decision to make…but there are teams that would trade for him. And we know he and Mats and young Lord Kes have chemistry.
Never bet against a player in a contract year…
vancitydan
Yeah, because Demo was so good in his contract year with the Wild…not. I don’t trust him to not be on the IR when it matters most. The guy is glass.
by Sean Zandberg on Sep 11, 2009 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Sundin, Schneider, Salo, Demitra….sweet god. We just need one more guy to get in there and have a ’splody bones line.
Also, not shocking, but I voted for jumping off the bridge. I endorse more suicide options in our polls this season.
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
Killing the dream?
Darren Dreger had to go and be a party pooper about this: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=290674
Sportsnet vs. TSN – who do you believe?
I believe JP Barry is a world class ass.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 11, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I actually felt kinda sorry for the guy last year. He was the mouthpiece for Mats’ indecision, and had to justify every missed deadline by his client. Sounds like more of the same this year.
by nucksandpucks on Sep 11, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
He got his fair share of money from Vancouver fans who paid top dollar to see his client chip in less than half a season. I don’t feel sorry for any agent, this one in particular.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 11, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
damned straight. Never feel bad for an agent. (see: the Matrix)
by Sean Zandberg on Sep 11, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Time for another front-loaded deal, albeit a short tone? 2 year term, $3m this year, $1m next? That’s a $2m cap hit and Sundin’ll just walk away from year 2 if this year’s a bust.
Why not? They’re all the rage now :)
Just an idea...
How about signing Sundin to the league minimum for two years. Then upon retiring hiring him as a ‘swedish scout’ at $4million per season. Gets us under the cap and really abuses the CBA.
Ha, I like this. Get on the phone with Gillis quick.
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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 11, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Swedish Ambassador
Mats could be the Canucks’ swedish ambassador to the poker tables at Monte Carlo.

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