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Pick The Rival: The Atlantic Division

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One rival down, five to go.

Now we turn our scopes on the Atlantic, home of the current Cup champs as well as the two teams that have beaten Vancouver in their best opportunities at said shiny Cup.

Do come with as we take a look at back at a time when Cloutier played better than Brodeur, recall why hating Mike Milbury is good for the soul, revel in the highs and lows of 1994 and fail to explain why there's so much animosity when there's a Pennsylvania team on the other end of the ice.

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New Jersey Devils

Franchise Record: 99GP, 51W, 31L, 17T, 0OTL, 119pts

The Devils don't swing around to GM Place too often (only three times this decade: 2001, 2007 and 2009). With Team Canada's anointed goalies involved folks tend to focus mainly on the netminders: in 2007 the Canucks blew out Martin Brodeur and last season the Devils returned the favor by obliterating Jason LaBarbera and Curtis Sanford. Going back to 2005-06, Brodeur bested Alex Auld 3-0 and, in 2003-04, Dan Cloutier outlasted Brodeur 4-0 (sheesh).

The teams hooked up for a big trade back in 2000 when Alexander Mogilny (who still holds the franchise record for most assists by a right winger) got swapped for Brendan Morrison and Denis Pederson. A decent trade for both sides as Mogilny would help the Devils win the Cup that season and Morrison would serve as the team's #1 center for several seasons, though it's debatable if B-Mo was built for such a role.

Fun fact: Last year Vancouver and New Jersey had similar issues: along with both premiere goalies going down with injuries, they each won the geriatric free agency sweepstakes (Sundin and Shanahan) and both pried away former Wild wingers (Demitra and Rolston). Amazingly Vancouver won out on both ends of this: Demitra not only had more points than Rolston (53 to 32 respectively) but appeared in five more games. Sundin had 28 points in 41 games while Shanahan had 13 points in 34 games.

And now, for no particular reason, here's Gino Odjick fighting Mike Peluso:

 

New York Islanders

Franchise Record: 97GP, 36W, 46L, 13T, 2OTLs,  87pts

It's impossible to think about the Canucks and Islanders without revisiting the first ever bi-coastal Stanley Cup finals in 1982. Ignoring their poor regular season, Stan Smyl, Tiger Williams and the rest of the boys bulldozed over the Flames, Kings and Hawks to get Vancouver's first-ever appearance in the SCF. Sadly, Mike Bossy's side of the ice wouldn't be denied their third Cup in a row and dispatched Vancouver in four straight (Bossy himself was plain sick, scoring seven goals in the sweep and winning the Conn Smythe).

But if 1982 still burns deep in your memory I have two words for you: Mike Milbury. No stranger to diabolically poor trades, Milbury OK'ed the 1998 deal that sent Trevor Linden away for Todd Bertuzzi, Brian McCabe and a third round pick (who became Jarkko Ruutu). As you undoubtedly know by now, Bertuzzi eventually became Luongo (who Milbury also traded in 2000 along with Oli Jokinen for noted stalwarts Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha) and McCabe became Henrik Sedin. Linden only played one full season on the Island and returned in a separate trade to Vancouver three years later.

Today Milbury has set his sights higher, ruining hockey for another generation of fans while standing next to Pierre McGuire on NBC broadcasts. But, hey, at least he has a fan page ('one of a kind' indeed).

Fun fact: If you're up to it, relive 1982 all over again:

 

New York Rangers

Franchise Record: 108GP, 29W, 71L, 8T, 0OTL, 66pts

I'm not sure I know I can't I can be objective here. There's simply no shortage of bad luck, bloated contracts and failed promises that can inflict enough short and long term damage on the Rangers and their fans that would keep me content. Part of this is because I fell in love with this sport and this team during their 1994 run; another part is being subjected to Rangers media (looking at you Larry Brooks) and scores of their fan base - some of which need to be taught everything from your basic hockey 101 to the importance of deoderant - for far too long. A few years later the situation was worsened when Vancouver had to stomach the forgettable Messier years only to be followed afterward with fan favorites Pavel Bure and Markus Naslund last year slipping on the Rag blue.

It hasn't be all bad though. Watching a worn down Messier and a hobbled Eric Lindros simply whet the appetitie for the greater Sather errors in the shape of Holik, Trottier, Redden, Gomez and now Zherdev. Vancouver was also able to dispose of a dead weight R.J. Umberger (who didn't play for the Rags either) and deader weight Fedor Federov to the Rangers in two separate deals. And, if nothing else, you can smile that Vancouver has an 11-5 record over the Rangers since 1994, including last year's infinitely enjoyable 6-3 laugher at MSG. And to think they've tied much of their hopes to Gaborik now? Thank you Glen.

Fun fact: The recent advantage the Canucks have had aside, from a points percentage basis the Rangers have historically owned the Canucks. Only Montreal has taken more points from Vancouver than New York has in head to head match-ups.

And sure, let's digest some of 1994 SCF again, in order of the good, the bad and the downright ugly:

 

 

 

Philadelphia Flyers

Franchise Record: 108GP, 27W, 66L, 13T, 2OTLs, 69pts

The quick eye will note that the Flyers have owned the Canucks to a similar degree that the Rangers have. In fact if you ignore the Wild and Thrashers then it's Vancouver who the Flyers have had the best points percentage domination over in their history. The past decade alone Vancouver is 3-7 against Philly with two OTL's. You need only go back to 2007-08 season where a visiting Flyers team put a 8-2 pile of hurt on Vancouver, complete with Ben Eager running amok (I know, shocking) and Jesse Boulerice trying to decapitate Ryan Kesler. Clearly, Philly's new vertical elbows will be right at home.

Fun fact: Some folks were chatting recently about the best Canuck fighters and Donald Brashear was right up there. So it's typical that it was the Flyers who received the Brash back in 2002 in exchange for Jan Hlavac and a 3rd round draft pick. The Brash would go on to keep fighting (often to hilarious proportions) while Hlavac turned out to be pretty useless. Also rendered useless was my Canucks Brashear jersey. Sigh.

Speaking of fisticuffs, please enjoy this 1981 clip of Tiger Williams and Bobby Clarke (sooo much yellow in this clip too. Go Flying V!):

 

Pittsburgh Penguins

Franchise Record: 103GP, 35W, 56L, 11T, 1OTL, 82pts

If history is any indication, then Alex Burrows will eventually go the route of past pests Matt Cooke and Jarrko Ruutu and end up with a flightless bird on his chest in a few seasons. The Pens hold the historical edge, but the Canucks have done better recently, running up a 6-3-1-1record against Pittsburgh since 1998. We can also travel back to March 20, 1996 when Pittrsbugh GM Craig Patrick thought so highly of Alek Stojanov that he was worth some chump named Markus Naslund, a move Michael Farber of Sports Illustrated (I know, I know) called the worst trade in NHL history back in 2003 (far before the Luongo trade).

Similar to Philadelphia, there's an unusual amount of hate between these teams who rarely see one another. First, anyone remember the Canucks first game against Crosby in 2006? Bryan Allen and others spent 60 minutes pulverizing him (see Bob McKenzie's take at the time). Clearly not an original idea, but it laid the ground work for their 2007 meeting in which both teams combined for almost 40 PIMs (and Kris Letang scored the game winner in the SO) and their 2008 meeting where both teams combined for 108 PIMs and Matt Cooke along with Jannik Hansen were ejected 25 seconds into the first.

Fun fact: Crosby has 1G, 0A, -3 and 6 PIMs lifetime against Vancouver (only talking three games here). His one goal was against Alex Auld back in 2007, so outside of silly All Star events, he has yet to beat Robetro Luongo when it counts. His best chance was two seasons ago when Aaron Miller hauled him down during the OT:

Poll
Who is Vancouver's biggest Atlantic division rival?
New Jersey Devils
13 votes
New York Islanders
4 votes
New York Rangers
159 votes
Philadelphia Flyers
34 votes
Pittsburgh Penguins
18 votes

228 votes | Poll has closed

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Penguins, because I hate them.

AKA: Linix129

by sw12 on Aug 6, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

doesn’t get much more succinct then that

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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 6, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s hard to believe that the 1994 Finals is 15 years past. I’m thinking that any current Canucks player that knows anything or is passionate about the team’s history could and should hate the Rangers still, more than the Islanders because of the timeline.

by Sean Zandberg on Aug 6, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Rangers:

Hat tip to Lundqvist for carrying such a heavy load, and I’m expecting Marc Staal
to make a leap in 09-10.
Glen Sather and the rest of ’em can kiss my ass.
1994? (drinks a beer)

by Sneps-ish on Aug 6, 2009 2:18 PM PDT reply actions  

I cannot wait for Gaborik to get injured again. With luck the groin pull will happen in camp and Torts will lose his mind by December.

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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 6, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gaborik 09-10 Stats:

I’m thinking Gabo puts up the following next season:
30 games, 14 goals, 11 assists, 25 points, 5 awesome Tortorella quips about Marian,
misses the playoffs.

by Sneps-ish on Aug 6, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

You should have been in Verizon Center for Caps / Rangers Game 7 last season after the water bottle incident. Let’s just say that the faithful of the red and white had a little fun with Torts.

"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri

by gotsparkly on Sep 9, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

All The NY-area Teams

Can we just lump all three NY-area teams together and just hate NY in general?

by JHolla on Aug 6, 2009 2:25 PM PDT reply actions  

I’d be fine with that, but I’ve slowly adopted the Devils to be my eastern team for some time now. Unless you’re counting the Sabres? Then I’m all for it.

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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 6, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

God I hate Milbury. The 98 Isles team was on the bubble when it came to the playoffs, and he decided to do a quick fix of the team by getting Linden and putting himself on the bench. He had always hated Johnsson and McCabe as captains and he immediately put the C on Linden. The move backfired and made the team even worse, and the following season when the team started out horribly and Salo went down with an injury he made the awful Berrard for Potvin deal.

by WebBard on Aug 6, 2009 3:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Ha, I forgot that Potvin one.

For further research, here’s a list of Milbury trades from TSN (via HFBoards):

13-Mar-96: New York Islanders traded Wendel Clark, Mathieu Schneider and D.J. Smith to the Toronto Maple Leafs for Darby Hendrickson, Sean Haggerty, Kenny Jonsson and 1st round selection (Roberto Luongo) in 1997.

25-Aug-97: New York Islanders traded Dan Lacouture to the Edmonton Oilers for Mariusz Czerkawski.

20-Mar-99: New York Islanders traded Tommy Salo to the Edmonton Oilers for Mats Lindgren and 8th round selection (Radek Martinek) in 1999.

19-Jun-99: New York Islanders traded Zigmund Palffy, Bryan Smolinski, Marcel Cousineau and 4th round selection (previously acquired from the New Jersey Devils – Daniel Johansson) in 1999 to the Los Angeles Kings for Olli Jokinen, Josh Green, Mathieu Biron and 1st round selection (Taylor Pyatt) in 1999.

19-Dec-99: New York Islanders traded Felix Potvin, a 2nd round selection (later traded to New Jersey – Teemu Laine) in 2000 and a 3rd round selection (Thatcher Bell) in 2000 to the Vancouver Canucks for Kevin Weekes, Bill Muckalt and Dave Scatchard.

24-Jun-00: New York Islanders traded Olli Jokien and Roberto Luongo to the Florida Panthers for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha.

24-Jun-00: New York Islanders traded Eric Brewer, Josh Green and 2nd round selection (Brad Winchester) in 2000 to the Edmonton Oilers for Roman Hamrlik.

24-Jun-00: New York Islanders traded Kevin Weekes, the rights of Kristian Kudroc and a 2nd round selection (later traded to Phoenix – Matthew Spiller) in 2001 to the Tampa Bay Lightning for a 1st round selection (Raffi Torres) in 2000, 4th round selection (previously acquired – Vladimir Gorbunov) in 2000 and 7th round selection (previously acquired – Ryan Caldwell) in 2000.

03-Jan-01: Los Angeles Kings traded Jason Blake to the New York Islanders for a 5th round selection (Joel Andresen) in 2002.

22-Jun-01: New York Islanders traded Mathieu Biron and a 2nd round selection (later traded to Washington, later traded to Vancouver – Denis Grot) in 2002 to the Tampa Bay Lightning for Adrian Aucoin and Alexander Kharitonov.

23-Jun-01: Ottawa Senators traded Alexei Yashin to the New York Islanders for Zdeno Chara, Bill Muckalt and 1st round selection (Jason Spezza) in 2001.

24-Jun-01: Buffalo Sabres traded Michael Peca to the New York Islanders for Tim Connolly and Taylor Pyatt.

22-Jun-02: New York Islanders traded Mariusz Czerkawski to the Montreal Canadiens for Arron Asham and a 5th round selection (Markus Pahlsson) in 2002.

11-Mar-03: New York Islanders traded Chris Osgood and a 3rd round selection in 2003 to the St. Louis Blues for Justin Papineau and a 2nd round selection in 2003.

11-Mar-03: Edmonton Oilers traded Janne Niinimaa and a 2nd round selection in 2003 to the New York Islanders for Brad Isbister and Raffi Torres.

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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 6, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow

That is one long, long list. I’ll have to save that as evidence for why I laugh whenever Milbury in his talking head role pretends to tell anyone about how to build a hockey team. :)

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by Baroque on Aug 7, 2009 4:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone who puts this man remotely close (like in the same zip code) to an acting GM in this league should be taken behind a shed and flogged.

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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 7, 2009 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

23-Jun-01: Ottawa Senators traded Alexei Yashin to the New York Islanders for Zdeno Chara, Bill Muckalt and 1st round selection (Jason Spezza) in 2001.

Ooops… haha love that one!

by Sean Zandberg on Aug 6, 2009 3:56 PM PDT reply actions  

God damn, I could watch that Luongo save on Sid’s penalty shot over and over again.

by Sean Zandberg on Aug 6, 2009 3:58 PM PDT reply actions  

I remember watching that too. GM Place was packed to see Crosby, game on the line, the two big guys…and what a save. Just waited and waited all the way until the end.

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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 6, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if that would now sway my vote away from the Rangers a bit. Probably not. Vancouverites hate the Rangers. HATE!

by Sean Zandberg on Aug 6, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOVE that video

I keep watching it. Robbed, robbed, robbed.

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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 10, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thx Yank

For the research on Mad Mike’s bad trades…they ALL seem bad, who told this guy he knew how to build a team?

Though, for all the talent he drafted, he knew talented players…weird.

The Yashin trade was bad…but I think trading Loungo and Jokinen for Parrish and Kvasha ( where the heck is either of those guys now?) was his worst deal.

Thats saying something.

Oh, I picked the Rangers, but not really a fan of the Flyers either. And there is some recent bad blood with them from Kes’ getting his dental work rearranged.

Peace

vancitydan

by vancitydan on Aug 6, 2009 6:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Parrish was with Dallas last year though not sure his contract status now. I suspect he’s a free agent, Capgeek.com doesn’t have him on the Stars roster for next season. Kvasha has been in the KHL for three seasons now.

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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 6, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, He was a pretty awful drafter too. His 1st and 2nd round picks were usually okay, but then again its tough to go wrong in the 1st or 2nd round with a team as bad as the Isles. Yet he still managed to draft Mike Rupp 9th overall, not sign him, and Rupp proceeded to be drafted by the Devils in the 3rd Round two years later and helped them win a cup.

Milbury in the 3rd round and beyond.

by WebBard on Aug 6, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, ‘94 was a big kick in the junk, but I abso-frickin-lutely despise the Flyers. They were king bad asses back in the day, and still try to cultivate that image. Why else would any team pick up a tool like Carcillo? They’re just a shadow of the team they use to be, but still think they’re cock of the walk.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Aug 6, 2009 9:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Carcillo...pffhhht!

Carcillo is just another punching back for the Ripper…yet another supposedly feared guy that Rypien has owned.

Can you imagine if Ripper was another 2 inches taller and 20 lbs heavier?

Scary…

Yeah…Milbury sucked…was just tryin’ to add some differing opinion to the convo…but yeah…he sucked!

vancitydan

by vancitydan on Aug 6, 2009 10:38 PM PDT reply actions  

In Milburry’s defence: we have the luxury of analyzing those trades years later. It’s called hindsight. Not all of those trades were bad straight up. Some of those players the Islanders got turned out to be shitbags but at the time were highly touted (Kenny Jonsson, Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha as examples)

by Sean Zandberg on Aug 6, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can you name a peer of his that pissed away the same level of high caliber talent over and over again while dooming his own team in such a time frame?

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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 7, 2009 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK I’d have to look damned hard. I’m defending him 100%, I’m just sayin’ hindsight on many of those.

by Sean Zandberg on Aug 7, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

13-Mar-96: New York Islanders traded Wendel Clark, Mathieu Schneider and D.J. Smith to the Toronto Maple Leafs for Darby Hendrickson, Sean Haggerty, Kenny Jonsson and 1st round selection (Roberto Luongo) in 1997.

Now in hindsight, that was a beauty trade.

by Sean Zandberg on Aug 7, 2009 9:41 AM PDT reply actions  

God Schneider is old…

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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 7, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Schneider was a fan favorite on the Island, which Milbury always loved to trade away. Darby Hendrickson re-signed with the Leafs the following season, Sean Haggerty managed 10 games in the NHL, Kenny Jonsson was a good dman that Milbury despised and mentally abused. We all know what happened to Luongo.

I can give you three good Milbury trades.

  1. 2000-May-23 Trent Hunter Traded from Anaheim Mighty Ducks to New York Islanders for round 4 pick in the 2000 draft (Jonas Ronnqvist)

Probably his best trade. Career stats for Hunter: 381 GP, 197 Points. For Ronnqvist: 38 GP 4 Points.

  1. 2001-Jan-03 Jason Blake Traded from Los Angeles Kings to New York Islanders for conditional pick in the 2002 draft

Easily 2nd Best, Blake was a sparkplug when he got to the Isle and played his heart out. HockeyDB doesn’t even list what they got with the conditional pick.

  1. 2001-Jun-24 Mike Peca Traded from Buffalo Sabres to New York Islanders for Taylor Pyatt and Tim Connolly

Although I decried the trading of two former first rounders, this is one of the times that Milbury traded away the right first rounders. Peca managed 140 points in 210 games for the Isles, while Pyatt and Conolly have hardly been effective in the NHL.

by WebBard on Aug 7, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right on, WebBard. Thanks for that info.

by Sean Zandberg on Aug 7, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't care for any of those teams

but Rangers is the most hated, in my opinion.

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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 10, 2009 5:46 PM PDT reply actions  

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