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Do The Canucks Need A Top 4 Or Top 6 defenceman?

I just read an intriguing article by Derek Jung at The Hockey Writers called "What Do The Canucks Really Need?" I think I am in agreement with most of what Jung states. Here is his conclusion:

  • 65+ games from Sami Salo:  A full season is too much to wish for, so let’s not bother.  If the Canucks can get 65 or more games from Salo, the power play will be in great shape.
  • Fewer risky plays from Kevin Bieksa (and Willie Mitchell, for that matter):  The only thing holding back Bieksa is sheer boneheadedness.  If he can cut down his mental mistakes, he is a potential all-star.  Willie Mitchell was very steady during the regular season and the first playoff series, and much less so against the Blackhawks.  He needs to get back to playing steady defense; doing so would help ease the loss of Mattias Ohlund.
  • Continued development from Alex Edler:  If Edler can continue to improve, all this talk of needing a new offensive defenseman will disappear in a flash.
  • A dependable sixth defenseman:  Salo, Bieksa, Mitchell, Edler, O’Brien.  That’s five.  There will be ample opportunity for the likes of Lawrence Nycholat, Aaron Rome, Evan Oberg, or a Mike Gillis acquisition-to-be-named-later to step up and fill the void.
  • Some way to convince Kirill Koltsov to play in Vancouver: If only.
  • Beyond the Kolstov thing, because I don't know enough about his potential greatness, I think Jung's list of needs is near spot on. I do believe we can expect great things from Bieksa and Edler.

    Star-divide

    That being said, the dilemma now rests upon the shoulders of Sami Salo. This guy, even though it frustrates the hell out of him (and all of us), cannot stay off the IR. The only time he has played more than 70 games was 2 seasons with the Canucks between 2002-2004. Since then he has played 59, 67, 63, and 60 games respectively over the last 4 seasons as a Canuck. Call a spade a spade: he is not reliable. And it angers me further that he gets injured in the playoffs when we need him most.

    Has your trust level in him staying healthy all but died? Mine has. But what about Mike Gillis? Has he succumbed to Salo defeat as well? Or is he holding on to a thin hope?

    These are the questions that need to be answered as MG goes forward to potentially acquire another defenceman. Does he accept the fact that Salo will eventually get hurt and acquire a suitable backup before October, or does he take it in stride (and watch Tony Robbins positivity speech tapes) hoping Salo can play more than 60 games and not hurt himself picking his nose, thus prompting him to acquire a top 6 defenceman?

    I'll tell you my opinion. I think MG should get another top 3/4 defenceman. I do believe that Bieksa and Edler can anchor our offense from the point this year at a consistent basis. But I have lost all faith in Salo staying healthy. Is it fair to say that Shane O'Brien can jump up into the top 4 role when Salo gets hurt? M'eh, possibly. But he hardly has the impact that Salo does offensively. Willie Mitchell is not going to score 15-20 goals in a season, nor should he. His specialty is a defensive defenceman.

    To sum it:

    - I'm not comfortable with Aaron Rome or Doris the Funk-asaurus possibly moving into the top 6 role. I want more. Is Evan Oberg ready for top 4 minutes? The jury is out.

    - Matthieu Schneider, for example, is not an option unless he takes a major cut and plays a bit of a lesser role with the emergence of Bieksa and Edler.

    - I do think that Dennis Seidenberg or Darryl Sydor do fit the bill via the free agency route.

    - I also believe that, without sacrificing too much of the farm, that a 3rd or 4th defenceman is all we'll get with the current assets that we have (like Mason Raymond for Ian White as an example).

    Poll
    What do you think Mike Gillis should do next in regards to the Canucks' defence?
    Stand pat. Let the kids prove themselves
    39 votes
    Acquire a top-2 defenceman
    66 votes
    Acquire a 3rd or 4th defenceman
    164 votes
    Acquire a bottom 6 defenceman
    39 votes

    308 votes | Poll has closed

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    Seidenberg doesn’t fit the bill because of his pricetag. Unless he is willing to take a paycut he won’t end up here (which is a shame because he’d be a great addition).

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    by Yankee Canuck on Aug 3, 2009 5:40 AM PDT reply actions  

    Maybe his price tag goes down as the summer goes along. The Hockey News rap on him:
    ASSETS: Moves the puck quickly and efficiently out of the defensive zone. Knows when to pinch in from the point and is rather effective with the man advantage.
    FLAWS: Lacks strength despite decent size. Isn’t overly physical and he needs to be in order to better handle high traffic areas.

    He was making $1.2 million.

    by Sean Zandberg on Aug 3, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

    Is Marc Andre Bergeron still available? I can’t believe we haven’t made a move for him yet.

    Bring me Stanley. Alive if possible, dead... just as good.

    by King Luongshanks on Aug 3, 2009 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

    For the amount he gets moved around, there is something about Bergeron that I don’t trust.

    by Sean Zandberg on Aug 3, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

    When the dregs of the league (Oilers and Islanders) are willin to cut there ties, I think that the rest of the league takes notice. Bergeron is small, defensively brutal and not really physical. His 35 points a year come at the expense of 60 goals caused.

    Just say NO Gillis.

    by Nuckels on Aug 3, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Really?

    Last year he played for a coach who is, ah, unsympathetic toward weak defencive players, and still played 72 games with 14 goals. That number would be matched by… whom on Vancouver? In fact, a bigger (and more legitimate) concern is that he’s never played a full season.

    You want a big, physical defenceman? Go hire Luke Richardson and bliss yourself out. I’m not looking for Jordin Tootoo back there (we’ve already got SOB to take bad penalties for us): I’d rather have someone who can help a team he plays on. That analysis rsm links to below shows a good way to use Bergeron: as an attacker, someone who has the speed and skill to carry the puck out of our zone and into the opponents’.

    As for getting moved, I suppose that means Brent Ashton was pure evil, and Mike Sillinger has incriminating photos of every GM in the league? “Trade for me, or the world will know of your kewpie doll fetish! Bwahahahahaaa!”

    by Thursday on Aug 3, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Rumors of Europe last I heard. Also check out mc79s analysis of MAB.

    by rsm on Aug 3, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

    I think we need a 3 or 4. I would argue right now we have three good number 2 defensemen (Mitchell, Bieksa, Edler), but no true top defenseman (though I think Edler and Bieksa have the chance to become that). I think we should get a top 4 defenseman, stick him with SOB until Salo gets hurt, than move him up.

    In terms of pairings, what do you think would be best?

    All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

    by rollonubears on Aug 3, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions  

    I already forget what the pairings were last year.

    Mitchell-Bieksa
    Edler-Salo
    O’Brien-

    by Sean Zandberg on Aug 3, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

    SOB was with Bieksa. Salo/Mitchell and Ohlund/Edler were the other pairings.

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    by Yankee Canuck on Aug 3, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Aren’t Salo and Mitchell good foils for each other? How good a pairing do you think Edler and Bieksa would be? We should try to get them to build up some chemistry.

    All aboard the Jahvid Best rickshaw!

    by rollonubears on Aug 3, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Didn’t they try that?
    I recall there was a very good reason for the SOB/Bieksa pairing, I think because Bieksa/? was a disaster. My memory of that juggling is very hazy though, maybe someone else has the goods on it.

    by rsm on Aug 3, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

    This is a start

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    by Yankee Canuck on Aug 3, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Such a shame...

    He doesn’t get enough credit for his defencive play, either. He’s really quite good at clearing the net, until he sneezes and punctures a lung or some damn thing.

    by Thursday on Aug 4, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

    That’s not even a Photoshop is it?

    by Sean Zandberg on Aug 4, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Hehehe… it is one. Couldn’t help but do it after your comment about picking his nose.

    There were surprisingly few images of him injured. Perhaps that’s cause most of his problems seem to be ankle ones and the like though. Anyone else noticed that he often goes on the injury reserve without any notice at all? Like, one day he’s playing, next day he’s got a sprained ankle or something?

    by NebCanuck on Aug 5, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

    True! Then we collectively roll our eyes, wondering where the fuck he hurt himself.
    Hey, that Photoshop is impressive! Love it!

    by Sean Zandberg on Aug 5, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Mike Gillis hiking in the mountains:

    Scene: Canucks GM Gillis is hiking in the mountains of Israel, pondering the fate
    of a 6th defenceman for his team. He comes across a Burning Bush.

    Gillis: (startled) Oh my!

    Burning Bush: MIKE GILLIS, THIS IS YOUR GOD!

    Gillis: The Bobby Holik contract from 2002?

    Burning Bush: NO!

    Gillis: Mr….uh…Aquilini?

    Burning Bush: NO, YOUR OTHER GOD, THE CHRISTMAS ONE!

    Gillis: Oh yeah, riiiiiiiiggght.

    Burning Bush: I’VE GOT ONE WORD OF ADVICE FOR YOUR TEAM, ARE YOU READY?

    Gillis: Yes, Lord!

    Burning Bush: REALLY?

    Gillis: Yes!

    Burning Bush: TOTALLY?

    Gillis: (falls to his knees) YES!

    Burning Bush: OBERG!

    The Burning Bush disappears. The sky opens up with beautiful rays of sunshine.

    Gillis: (stunned)

    Gillis stands up when he hears a message on his Blackberry.

    Blackberry: “U WANTS ZHERDEV LOL? -Glen”

    Gillis: (heavy sigh)

    End Scene.

    by Sneps-ish on Aug 4, 2009 3:01 PM PDT reply actions  

    As a former christian, that really didn’t offend me! ha

    Oberg may be the answer indeed.

    by Sean Zandberg on Aug 4, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

    God hopefully cheers for the Canucks.
    Hopefully.

    by Sneps-ish on Aug 4, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

    As a current Christian, that didn’t offend me!

    Particularly liked the Zherdev sigh. :-P

    by NebCanuck on Aug 5, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

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