Gillis Talks About The New Canucks Cap Issue / Lukowich Thrilled
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 28, 2009 1:22 PM PDT
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PrintGillis told Team 1040:
"We are right at the cap right now, but we will be completely compliant by October 1st. A lot of things can happen between now and October 1st with injuries (as an example)."
Gillis wants depth right now just in case.
As far as I can see, we are over the cap by over $3 million. Christian Ehrhoff will make $3.15 million this season. Brad Lukowich will earn $1.8 million. Mathieu Schneider's contract has not been released yet (assume it's $2 million) That being said, I'm not a capologist. But Capgeek is. He has the Canucks at $980,832 over. But Schneider's salary hasn't been added yet.
Let the speculation begin! It's already happening, actually. Team, 1040 is wondering if Kevin Bieksa gets traded. I think Pavol Demitra is the biggest factor here. He has a no trade clause, which I don't think he'd waive. But let's face it, I wish he would. That's $4 million to save right there. I think both Demitra and Shane O'Brien should be flogged because of their complaining about management to the media last season. Those 2 players plus Willie Mitchell are in the final years of their contracts. Actually, with all of the additions today, the Canucks will have 12 players that are in the last year of their contracts. Yikes.
It's a stretch to think Gillis will trade his prized Demitra or even ask him to waive his NTC, O'Brien, however, may be one guy who is looking down the barrel of a gun. I don't even want to think about Mitchell getting flogged. I can't see that happening.
*EDIT* 4:32 PM: Gillis had a bit more of an in-depth conversation with Bill Watters on 640 AM Radio today about Sundin, the Blackhawks series and defensive depth. Paul Kukla recapped that interview.
*EDIT*
Does Demitra have a no-trade clause? It doesn't say that here. It does say Mitchell has one.
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Brad Lukowich was just on the Team 1040 and he sounds absolutely thrilled to be coming to Vancouver - back home, as he was born in Cranbrook. Great to hear. He said that Vancouver was the one place he wants to play. He likes the teams' direction on all fronts.
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What a difference a day makes.
You sure that Demitra has a no-trade clause?
Even if he does, the writing seems to be on the wall for him given all the young fw talent on the team, and he might be very willing to take a good trade (one that he approves of to a place he wants to go) now, while he can.
Other than Demitra, all our fw’s are either too cheap to make much of a diff by trading them (e.g. Raymond, Hansen) or really good value for the money (e.g. Burrows, Kesler) or worth keeping around cuz they look to be on the verge of a breakout year (Bernier), or some combination of the above (Hodgson, Wellwood, Raymond).
So if Demitra stays, it’s probably a D-Man or two that has to go. Ironically, we seem to be top-heavy with d-men now.
It’s insane isn’t it? Well..I wouldn’t expect any more trades until during or after training camp. Gillis seems to like the depth in case shit happens. I think OB’s getting flogged.
There was a point where Gillis said he would not ask players with NTC’s to waive them. Team 1040 says Demitra has one. NHLscap says he doesn’t. That site also says Mitchell has a NTC. Yay!
Let’s start guessing!
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 28, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree that Gillis will prob not wanna trade before he has to, cuz he want to look over his players first. Makes perfect sense and is right in line w/everything he has done so far; i.e. keep his roster intact and add but not subtract yet. He seems to be a man who doesn’t like closing a door before he absolutely has to, which is good.
He might still do a deal if it comes along and looks great right now, but I wouldn’t bet much on it. Now, we wait (argh!) and see how the players look in camp and in preseason games.
Well I hope Grabner is not going anywhere.
by Bobby Canuck on Aug 28, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
By losing Wellwood, assuming Hodgson can make the team over him. Burying O’Brien in the minors or trading him and having Raycroft open the doors to the bench gives the Canucks enough to get under the cap.
AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Pavol Demitra ($4.000m)
Mikael Samuelsson ($2.500m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m) / Steve Bernier ($2.000m)
Ryan Kesler ($1.750m) / Cody Hodgson ($1.696m) / Ryan Johnson ($1.100m)
Mason Raymond ($0.883m) / Darcy Hordichuk ($0.775m) / Jannik Hansen ($0.550m)
Rick Rypien ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($3.750m) / Sami Salo ($3.500m)
Willie Mitchell ($3.500m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
- Christian Ehrhoff ($3.100m) / * Brad Lukowich ($1.566m)
- Mathieu Schneider ($1.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($6.750m) / Andrew Raycroft ($0.500m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $57.420m; CAP ROOM: $0.320m BONUSES: $0.940m
Not that much room, but room. With Wellwood in and Hodgson out (most likely senario) they are $34,333 over, which may be enough if someone starts the season on LTIR.
You could be right, but I suspect it’ll play out differently:
We’re only guessing at M. Schneider’s cost, plus they just went to a lotta trouble to sign Wellwood, arbitration and all. I could see SOB being dealt given our sudden windfall of D-men, but Gillis has also made a point of saying he wants room to add a mid-season addition for the playoffs, and what you propose doesn’t really leave enough room for that.
I suspect that it’ll be either Demitra or a D-man, someone in the 3-4 mil range. M. Schneider is 40, and could easily retire after this year, so Gillis will not wanna go too tight on his D again by losing too many of them … which again leads to a conclusion that he’d rather let just one go and that’d have to be one of the expensive ones for the numbers to make sense.
Most fun August ever.
Well this is interesting. Should be fun seeing how the musical chairs plays out by the time the season starts.
Team 1040 really pushing a Dany Heatley to Canucks deal, since the Canucks have all the trading pieces in order to pull off the deal..
YEEEEESHHH
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 28, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Gillis must be promising the 1040 guys extra special access or something in return for floating these ideas: no matter what he does after that, it looks good by comparison!
Even leaving all other issues aside, Heatley is just too way expensive. Ottawa overpaid him and now the rest of the league is confirming that. He’s a Sen and will remain a Sen. M-a-y-b-e they can deal him at the deadline to a contender looking for that one last piece and willing to fork over the bucks for a cup run. Even then it’d be tough.
Lukowich hates Ducks. Therefore I like Lukowich.
Lukowich loses to Ducks. Therefore I like Lukowich, too. :)
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well there's a quote
A lot of things can happen between now and October 1st with injuries
gillis sounds like a mafia don, telling his fighter to take a dive in the 3rd. “demo, it’s just not your season…” “but i coulda been a contenda!” watch your back around the rink, tonya harding might be lurking with a tire iron to the knees if the cap issues aren’t resolved by the end of september.
I think it’s fair to say that guys like Demitra and Salo don’t need Tonya Harding to hurt them.
Sadomasochists..
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 28, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
All of this...
…and no Mats Sundin.
In the brave new world…I don’t see a trade, I just see a good, old fashioned, waiver.
Exactly. All teams are up against the cap…who is going to want to take Demo’s salary in that situation?
As for SOB…didn’t he just resign a contract this summer with the Canucks? Why would you sign a guy early and then dump him? My guess is, one of the three guys they just got would be the fall guy.
And Bieksa, traded? I just don’t see that…he’s too much of a part of the locker room. Hell, he’s the best interview of the bunch!
8 D-men says Gillis? Why, that’s just where we’re at right now, is it not?
Bieksa, Edler, Salo, Mitchell, O’Brien, Schneider, Erhoff & Lukowich
So the salary reduction would have to be either by bringing in, say, Baumgartner to replace a traded Bieksa, or … by losing Demitra. Sure looks to me like a trade or a buyout are in order for Demitra. I mean, where else makes as much sense?
And that’s even w/out Sundin in the mix, altho Gillis, as I noted once, likes to leave his options open as long as he can and is probably, IMHO, doing that here when it looks like Sundin should retire, wonky hip and all, and probably will.
I don’t know about OB. Even though they signed him it doesn’t mean he does not get traded. It can mean that we locked him up as an asset in a trade. Personally, I’d single him out and ship him out of here because he’s mouthy to his superiors.
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 28, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Who’s your #8, then? Bring up a vet, develop another rookie, trade SOB stright up for the same thing but w/less attitude?
- should be Nolan Baumgartner or an emerging prospect player. How can we have Brad Lukowich as #7? But he currently is in my estimation. That’s just wrong.
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 28, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Ellington or Rome as #8.
Trade SOB for prospect.
Wonder what Schroeder says to White at the Gopher school in the coming weeks…
We are all Canucks.
by Chinese Canuck on Aug 28, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, and Gillis wants 20+ goals from 6 players?
Sedin, Sedin, Samuelsson, Kesler, Burrows … there’s 5 who can do it, plus 1 or more of:
Demitra (if he’s on the team)
Bernier (depends on his development)
Raymond (depends on his development)
Hodgson? Shirokov? Grabner? (20’d be be a lot for a rookie)
Wellwood? (has it in him)
Sundin? (if he plays)
Samuelsson had 19 last year, but he’’ be move him up a line. Bernier had 15, Wellwood 18, so they are already hovering just below the line. Depends on ice time this year, too, but with a better D to break out of the zone and get them the puck, 6 20-goal scorers sounds like the right target.
I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch to ask for 20 goals from Bernier and Demitra. Raymond is a distinct possibility in a contract year.
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 28, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
In a contract year? I guess so, but I think the bigger factor for him is still just his development as a player; he’s awfully young and only has one real NHL season behind him. I’d expect him to improve regardless of contract status. He has the potential to really break out … or not.
I’m anticipating him breaking out. Or getting traded…
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 28, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Hansen, Raymond etc … I’d like to hang on to them when they’re this cheap cuz trading them doesn’t really help w/the cap issues and cuz they have the potential to break out at this early stage in their careers; they certainly have the tools for doing so.
The problem shaping up is, if they all look good, we can’t provide ice time for that many fw’s, and I could see us having to let them go simply to pursue their careers elsewhere. We might end up using one of them as a sweetener on a bigger deal: e.g. Demitra + Hansen for a draft pic.
Demo won’t go, Gillis probably won’t trade his former client away.
I am just afraid of Hansen becoming the next Jason Jaffray…
We are all Canucks.
by Chinese Canuck on Aug 28, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Chinese…correct me if I am wrong, but I think Hansen is a little higher up the food chain that JJ. He got a few "sniffs’ with the Canucks, but was mainly an AHL calibre player that the Flamers hope can be more cuz he is a good Alberta farm boy.
Don’t think that will happen….Hansen looks like tradebait to me though…
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Shark's fan here
I just wanted to say good luck to Luko & Ehrhoff. We will miss both of you, (especially Erhroff on the PP). I am happy for Luko going home and hope both players have good seasons for you.
Oh ya and tell Earl Sleek to go suck an egg.
PREPAREDNESS_Because those goddamn zombies aren’t going to kill themselves
Kind words from you, adragon, thanks. Hey, as long as you are a fan of a team that is in the same division as Sleek’s Ducks you are not safe :)
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 29, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Between bernier and ehrhoff (now two shark reclamation projects!) in addition to sammy, they’ll have to fight for the ‘hands of stone’ title.
If nothing else gillis has put the shins for all northwest opponents on notice: be prepared for the pain.
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 29, 2009 4:22 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
haha! and get the paint ready for the corner boards!
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 29, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions
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