Deadline For Completion of Luongo Extension: September 13
Not really news to us, but Roberto Luongo has set a deadline for negotiating a contract extension with the Canucks.
From the Globe and Mail:
"We’re trying to get it done before camp," Roberto Luongo said in Calgary yesterday. "If it doesn’t happen before camp, I will not be negotiating during the season. I don’t want to have that distraction."
This to me is a double edged sword. On one side, I can appreciate that Lou wants to completely focus on this season and he wants the team to succeed plus be the starting goalie for Canada in at the Olympics.
Unfortunately, if a deal does not get worked out you know what's going to happen: many of the media and the fans are going to hound him for answers regardless and the "trade Luongo" freaks are going to come back out in full force. Distraction is imminent if a deal doesn't get done. Especially in a hockey-mad, hungry and even cruel-as-hell market like Vancouver. I would really prefer the extension to get done soon given those circumstances. Luongo knows this.
Is it possible that the savages could run Louie out of town with their ferociousness if an extension is not accomplished by September 13? It's a cruel world out here.
By the way, both Gillis and Luongo denied the 6-year, $6.75 million extension rumor out there. That was too good to be true anyway.
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I wouldnt take what Lou says too seriously. In my opinion, Louongos relationship with the media is not brilliant and certainly does not want the distarction from them either.
I think we will find the extension deal is just about done. Maybe to be announced just as the pre-season starts.
by steve-uk on Aug 27, 2009 3:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The deal better get done, otherwise it may effect the whole team!
by Parksy on Aug 27, 2009 8:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s a longshot..but entirely possible. He is the captain of the team afterall
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 27, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So does this make Schneider trade bait then??? WHEN Lou signs, there is nothing here for Cory. I can not wait to see how M.G handles that situation.
by kobracom on Aug 27, 2009 12:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
state of the franchise...
…for what its worth, Gillis said during the summer, after he signed Raycroft, that he wanted Cory to seriously vie for the back up job. Seems to think playing 10-15-20 games here is better for him than down in the A’. He has already been the best goalie there.
For me, that last game where he cam in against Philly was when he was showing us how he could play. His team left him to hang out by himself, and he still stopped 19-20. I remembered that game…he knew he was going back down, and still did well.
But yes, if you trade the man, he has to get in enough games to up his value…
vancitydan
by vancitydan on Aug 27, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His team left him to hang out by himself, and he still stopped 19-20. I remembered that game…he knew he was going back down, and still did well.
Absolutely
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 27, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To get good value in return for Cory Schneider, he would need to be showcased first. Preseason and maybe a few early games, at least. In the meantime, just in case Luongo is not in the Canucks’ future, he’ll be kept around.
It’ll be tough, even after Luongo re-signs (presuming he does) to get Schneider much playing time throughout most of the season because Luongo’s history is one of a guy who doesn’t handle downtime well; he’s been hot when he’s played every other night but cold for pretty long stretches when, say, coming off an injury. So maybe Schnedier could be tried out here & there (e.g. the 2nd game of a back-to-back?), but barring an injury to Luongo, not too much, I’m afraid. During the Olympics, maybe?
by casual on Aug 27, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
See, I think his amazing year in the AHL last season is showcasing enough.
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 27, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Show a little cleavage, first!
Still not NHL-calibre opposition, tho. As a prospect, I bet every GM in the league is well aware of him (esp since they all know Vancouver’s first choice is Luongo). And a lot of those same GM’s would want to trade for Schneider this year if they could.
Would they give enough in return? Dunno. But nothing beats having him prove himself at the NHL level. A GM who watched him play firsthand would be even better. Seeing with your own eyes is still the best motivator, and if the GM of a team with goaltending woes is watching his solution right there, in front of his eyes, he’ll be more than a little motivated. Bad goaltending rips the heart out of any team and must always be addressed first.
We could trade him today, no problem, but we’d get back more in return if he looked good in even just 5 or 10 more NHL games first.
by casual on Aug 27, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bit of risk
His NHL numbers have been miserable. What’s a good enough return? Compare his AHL numbers to LaBarbara’s (another AHL Player O’ Th’ Year), and what’s Barbie’s value in the NHL?
It may well be better to trade Schneider based on his AHL numbers and other people’s optimism than to test him at the NHL level first, where he may need a couple years to get comfortable.
by Thursday on Aug 27, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of agree with that, but if Schneider plays and does well, his trade value does increase.
Ego and present jock psychology aside, I would love to have a situation where Lu and Schneider alternate games. How unique in this day and age! Even if they get the President’s Cup doing that, Lu will have to be the starting goalie throughout the playoffs……..or maybe not. I like to fantasize, but as I’ve mentioned before, Resch and Smith did that one season and nobody batted an eye.
by Bobby Canuck on Aug 27, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, and I like the idea, but would Luongo adapt to playing every 4th night or so and still be on top of his game? It’s possible, but it hasn’t happened yet. For the sake of raising Schneider’s value, it could be a win/win/win if they could keep it up for a while, tho: Canucks get more in a trade, Schneider gets a chance to be a franchise goalie somewhere, and Luongo says goodbye to a rival (even as he helps the kid). As they say, it’s all good.
I’d strongly prefer to keep Luongo – he’s a bird in the hand and having goaltending probs is a hockey fate we do not even want to risk, it’s so painful – but if we do lose him, well, I guess there are worse fates than having Schneider at the ready to take his place (presuming he handles it well) plus several extra million per year for a while to sign another top player.
Eventually, of course, a starting Schneider would have to be paid like a solid vet. My bigger fear would be that Schneider didn’t pan out as expected in the bigs. Too many young goalies falter, or perhaps top out as decent backup material but no higher. Luongo’s proven himself, and that counts for a lot.
So I guess what we agree on are the necessities: that Luongo is first choice and, given that, that Schneider will have to be traded. The luxuries – like potentially pumping up Schneider’s value – are good if we can get ’em, but secondary.
by casual on Aug 27, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I’d strongly prefer to keep Luongo"
I totally agree.
by Bobby Canuck on Aug 27, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think 2007. Luongo played a buttload of games for us in the season and then was a stud in the playoffs. He needs to play a lot. He has said that repeatedly. Brodeur is no different
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 27, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
proof of the IQ of TEAM 1040 listeners...
…listening to them today, and couldn’t believe 45% of the voters on Bobby Lou being worth 7 mil. Voting NO. When its only 125,000 more than the current top paid goalie in NY…Lunquist. ( and who would you rather have?)
Some of the mouth breathers were coming on so smug and righteous. Ridiculous statements abounded, with much head shaking from Big Daddy and Botchford.
One of these Rhodes Scholars saying “I mean have you ever heard of a NHL goalie of his calibre not being able to come out in a playoff game because he is in the bathroom!?”
Like Lou did something wrong. Listening riding on my bicycle, I almost had to grab the brakes and stop, I was so shocked at his idiocy.
Like it was somehow Lou’s fault for being sick and having to relieve himself. Like it never happened to them.
And that after being the single reason the team was still playing, in a game he stopped 56 pucks.
Sometimes I really wonder about the sanity of some of my fellow brethren in Canuck Nation.
Thanks, just had to share…
Peace
vancitydan
by vancitydan on Aug 27, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate your opinion on this. It’s amazing how people dig that fucking low to bash the guy to justify trading him or declaring his worth.
Damn though…do you remember nearly suffering a cardial infracture when Lou didn’t come out for that OT though? Sheeeit!
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 27, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ye Gods
The only way I could see trading Luongo is if you think Schneider’s ready to play in the NHL at a similar level. But you’re a damn fool if you don’t think he’s worth being paid like the best goalie in the league.
None of this is going to stop until we get to the finals again.
by Thursday on Aug 28, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Leafs traded Tuuku Rask’s rights to the Bruins for Raycroft. Rask had not played in the NHL yet.
One example.
You could also trade Schneider to a team for future considerations or a conditional pick in next year’s draft or later…
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 27, 2009 2:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup, you could. And you could get something nice in return. But my point is that you’d get more if he first looked good in a few NHL games this year. At least, I think so … presuming he did look good, that is.
Then again, maybe it’s me, maybe I’m just making excuses cuz I hate to give up talent, even when getting talent back in return. I’d see a shrink about it, but I’m such a dog I’m not allowed on the couch.
by casual on Aug 27, 2009 2:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it possible that the savages could run Louie out of town with their ferociousness if an extension is not accomplished by September 13? It’s a cruel world out here.
I think it depends entirely on how he plays during the early part of the season. If he plays lights out up until the trade deadline, nobody will want to trade him. Since I’m expecting him to not play any way but lights out, I won’t even mention the alternative.
by Bobby Canuck on Aug 27, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
but lights out, I won’t even mention the alternative.
I’m sure there is plenty of people that will. It’s unfortunate
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 27, 2009 4:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He’ll be signed long before them. If they both agree he wants to be there, and they both agree on the money, they just need to agree on a Goalie Coach and term.
As I posted above, no one ever got rich betting on the intelligence on some of our Canuck Nation brethren…
Not you guys, you’re all great…really….“what are you doing with that lamp?”
(backs out from the hordes, not breaking eye contact…they can smell fear…)
vancitydan
by vancitydan on Aug 27, 2009 10:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see an 8 year deal at $8 million. Make it a descending scale contract to minimize the cap hit. This franchise needs a franchise goalie. Schneider be damned. Lou is the best goalie we’ve ever had. Don’t piss it away.
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 27, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
64 million!!!!! Madness!!!!! 3 years at 22.5 and let him walk if we havnt won by then.
by Nuckels on Aug 28, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope they sign him, but i’m not really gettin where the issue is being held up. Basically I like Lou as our starting goalie, I like his competitivness and I like the fact that he wants to win.
What is starting to get clear now though, is that he is a whiny bitch who has to be catered to on everything. I’m quite positive that he has been offered a great deal already, but he wants more. Options to get out if he feels like it, while giving the Nucks none. I saw it last year when he threw the team under the bus. If the Nucks don’t sign him before the 13th, I think we should look at trading him.
Its not a popular opinion, and i’m certainly not like the tools callin into 1040. I just think that a 30 year old who has won 2 series in the playoffs, and choked badly causing us to miss altogether can’t be coddled to much.
I’m pissed right now.
by Nuckels on Aug 28, 2009 12:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow Nuckles…have a brewski or something…its always 4"20 somewhere!
There is nothing holding it up. Theya re just playing with the media. Who are talking about ANYTHING. From what Botch’ on 1040 was saying after talking to Gillis on it is that they have agreed on money, just not term.
I believe when he hits town we hear the announcement.
Just to shut up the mad pack of media dogs trying to build up what is not there…
And Nuckles? I don’t find him whiny at all? You are just buying into a few media guys that like fanning that non existent fire.
Just my opinion though bud…
Rage away!!!!
vancitydan
by vancitydan on Aug 28, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe when he hits town we hear the announcement.
I’m tending to agree, even though that makes me lose a bet!
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 28, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that he is a whiny bitch who has to be catered to on everything
There has been more than one time where I’ve thought that. Trade him? I disagree. Don’t blame him for these series losses completely. Also, he has done more for us in the playoffs in this short of a span than any other goalie has!
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 28, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are forgetting Kirk McLean. I think that by the time Luongo’s time in Vancouver is done he will have at the very least matched Kirk McLean’s playoff success but currently McLean has done more.
*unless Luongo walks at the end of the season or is traded because he has made it clear that he wants to play elsewhere.
by Zombie Jesus on Aug 28, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bearing in Mind
I just think that a 30 year old who has won 2 series in the playoffs, and choked badly causing us to miss altogether can’t be coddled to much.
Bearing in mind that he’s only been to the playoffs twice in his career, and has a higher S% and GAA there than in the regular season, I’d say he’s done pretty good.
One thing to remember: a goalie CANNOT win a team games. All they can do is give the team a chance to win it.
One of the best performances I’ve even seen was by Tugnutt playing for the Sens in Boston. Ever think you’d see the Gardens crowd give an opposing goalie a standing ovation? He stopped 70 shots in a regular season game to earn a 3-3 tie. So tell me: did he “lose his team the point” because he let in 3 goals?
by Thursday on Aug 28, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing to remember: a goalie CANNOT win a team games. All they can do is give the team a chance to win it.
On occasion a goalie can practically win games.
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 28, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 rounds twice in 3 years…McLean did that?
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 28, 2009 9:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
91-92 2nd round
92-93 2nd round
93-94 finals
94-95 2nd round
So yes he did that.
by Zombie Jesus on Aug 28, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m embarassed. How could I forget all that? Thanks for the education, Jesus.
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 28, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My own guess is that the contract was/is pretty much done, just a few details to iron out, but the media was hounding Luongo, so what was he to do? He doesn’t wanna talk about it in public yet, the press is riding his ass, his agent is still working on the details … so he gives a deadline, picks the last possible date before the season starts, and it quiets the media, cuz it gives them almost nothing to attack till then.
Smooth media move by Luongo, if true. If there was a better one available under the circumstances, I can’t think of it offhand.
by casual on Aug 28, 2009 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Casual…good to see we are of a like mind here. I was saying the same thing above.
This definitely smells like “Will you fuckers just leave me alone, and we’ll get the fucking deal done…OK?”
I mean, both sides have said they are close. The money sounds like it is well agreed upon. Term sounds like the only thing holding it up.
Zombie…he isn’t “walking”….and from his numerous public statements, he wants to be here.
Just listen to me and Cas’…its all just to shut up the packs of running media dogs!
vancitydan
by vancitydan on Aug 28, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
I’m the only one concerned about tying up huge long-term cap with a guy that’s 30 and never been past the 2nd round.
He’s obviously been great overall as a Nuck tender, but imo truly great goaltenders are made in the playoffs, and while he was very good the time before, he was piss poor in the Chi series, not that I was surprised, Luongo has yet to come back from any sort of layoff and play anything but poor/inconsistent for the following couple of weeks. If he stays healthy and plays a lot, should be ok, but those breaks just kill his game.
Why not wait and see what he does this year? If he doesn’t get us past the 2nd round, or play great in a losing effort to do so, do you still give him huge bucks for 6-8 years? And if he does get the team into true contention, is it really going to cost more to keep him or do we just find out then whether he really wants to be here and help build a winner?
by yoata on Aug 29, 2009 1:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You keep talking like the Chicago series was his fault. It was the team’s fault. Martin Brodeur wouldn’t fare much better in front of ass defence like that
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 29, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Luongo played nothing like he was capable of or he was paid to in that series aside from one or two games, the rest he was poor to average at best and way below par for him or any $7M goaltender.
by yoata on Aug 29, 2009 6:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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