Smyl Compares Shirokov To Mogilny...Somewhat
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 21, 2009 12:28 AM PDT
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Smyl told Canucks.com: "I don’t know if I can really compare him to anyone, he just has his own game. He reminds me a little bit of, and I hate to put this comparison out there, but the Mogilny-type.
I think he’s a guy who plays the game at his pace and he can make plays so he has a little bit of that element to his game like Mogilny really had."
More on Smyl's take here. The Steamer keeps it cautiously optimistic, which is fair. Shirokov is not a lock. How is his defensive game? How will he handle the rough and tough NHL? We'll soon find out.
An intriguing part of the article was a fact that I had forgotten about: Shirokov was part of the Luongo trade. The Canucks traded Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan Allen and Alex Auld to Florida for Roberto Luongo, Lukas Krajicek and a 6th round pick. Dave Nonis selected Shirokov as that 6th round pick.
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HAHAH
As if that trade could have been any more lopsided. I really hope this guy turns out to be something, because it will cement the Luongo acquisition in with the worst trades in history.
didn't realize that
…yes, that trade just keeps getting better.
Sergei comes in around 2 minutes 10 sec…he looks too good for the AHL. He is my new Dark Horse at camp. I was thinking Mario Bliznak, but some of the moves this dude makes in the Youtube video at speed have me changing my mind a bit.
I am loving, as a lifelong Canuck fan, having this much talent in the system.
Carry on Gillis…carry on…
vancitydan
If he turns out to be good...
….my reluctant kudoos to Nonis and Delorme
by Bobby Canuck on Aug 21, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
oops
did it work this time? If not, just go to Youtube and search sergei shirokov, and view the young guns video.
Enjoy.
vancitydan
Top 6 material? Maybe, maybe not.
If there is such a glut of potential forwards … and other than Shirokov it was all predictable that they’d be here … why did Gillis sign Samuelsson?
The best answer I can see is that he must have considered the rest of them to be too iffy/unproven to play at a top 6 level, but he was comfortable with MS in that role.
Maybe the others make the team and maybe they don’t, or maybe we trade a few. Maybe Shirokov and/or others prove themselves to be top 6 material after all. But if Gillis had been sure of even just one, MS would probably not be here right now, would he?
Casual…thats pretty stupid logic. He got Sammy because he is a good player…at a good price.
You are right that there is some unproven elements to some of the other guys.
But I doubt it was, well these guys will do it, so we don’t need a guy like Sammy.
He got Sammy, and he was quoted as saying it, because “one of our goals in this offseason was to get a player with Cup winning experience, and Sammy brings that”…
vancitydan
I don’t think Gillis is thinking top 6 with these prospects. It’s more line 3, which to me is practically a lock with Woody-Bernier-Raymond. The prospects are fighting for the 13/14th forward spot, IMO, until a top 12 guys sucks or gets hurt. But no doubt about it..a trade is imminent.
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 21, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
vcd,
Agreed that MS was a good player at a good price, but why get him at all if you feel that the prospects and younger players are ready to step up? Gillis’s getting Samuelsson says that he saw the remaining possibilities at most as 3rd liners for now. They may yet exceed that, and I think there’s enough talent for it to happen, but Gillis apparently doesn’t think he can depend on it in what he hopes will be a big year for the club.
Samuellson didn’t just fall in our lap; Gillis had to go out and get him. Good move on his part, but it should also serve as a reminder that for all the talent and all the potential in this year’s crop of contenders, they’re unproven enough that Gillis felt the need to make sure he had a bird in the hand even though he has a small flock of them in the bush.
That was kinda my point – not that Samuelsson was bad deal, he was a good one – but that it underscores just how unproven the younger players are. It should temper our own enthusiasm as to how quickly these guys can become today’s assets instead of tomorrow’s potential. How many “projects,” even really good ones, can the Canucks undertake simultaneously if they hope to make a cup run?
Zanstorm,
A trade, yes, but imminent? Depends on what “imminent” means. The Canucks could probably delay through the exhibition season and even the first part of the regular. As I’ve mentioned before, I think that’d give ’em a chance to assess and to showcase the talent, keep their fave(s), and get more in return from those they trade.
Then again, if the perfect deal comes along, any time’s the right time!
By imminent I mean pretty sure it’s going to happen. Trading Grabner now, for example, they can get some good value in return because he was a sniper with the Moose last season. I don’t know what Gillis has in mind for acquiring another defenceman, but it most likely is going to take a trade to make it happen as he has limited cap space left.
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 21, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I forgot to mention Hansen as trade bait as well. Where does he fit in here now? He’s proven himself as well at both levels.
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 21, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like grabner would bring more back in a trade than Hansen. Ironic considering the former hasn’t laced up the skates in a single game yet.
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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 21, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven’t followed Grabner so I can’t comment on him, really. This preseason I hope to get a good look.
As for Hansen, he’s perfect trade bait, actually, esp for a rebuilding team: fast, hard-working, good size, proven at the nhl level, cheap like borscht.
Heck, now that I’ve said that, I don’t wanna trade him!
I’d love to see Grabner play and hope he develops into a great asset for the Canucks, but if MG chose to trade him ‘cause let’s say, he didn’t see what he wanted in him, I’d trust his decision.
by Bobby Canuck on Aug 22, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
vcd,
I’m pretty sure we’re saying the same thing, you know, violent agreement and all: i.e., that Samuelsson’s signing illustrates Gillis’s current opinion of the youngsters and why we shouldn’t overrate them.
Call it cup experience or call it reliability, either way, but the new talent – and it’s really good talent, I think, the best depth of forwards I’ve ever seen in a Canucks’ camp (tho I didn’t grow up here so my memory could be shorter than yours) – is still mighty raw and we shouldn’t count on too much out of any of them too soon. Gillis doesn’t.
Still can’t wait to them play, tho, and prove me wrong.
Geez Cas’…you think this is a violent argument?
Hah! Wait until the season starts!
LOL
But I do disagree with you. Because you are not really on the same path as me. I actually listened to Gillis throughout the offseason.
After watching this team throughout its entire run, I can tell that this GM doesn’t obfuscate and lie too much.
He’ll just say no comment.
And he has said he will give the youth every opportunity to make the team. I think the way he has taken every opportunity to talk up his youth
(and we are talking all of them, the more prospects like Shirokov and Hodgson, and the guys already on the team last year like Raymond and Wellwood)
And you aren’t really getting what I was saying about Cup experience either. He wants someone that has been there.
All the way there.
How many Rings are in our room right now? Any?
So, while I think we agree that he might be taking a wait and see approach, I think his opinion of them is higher than yours, and perhaps a little lower than mine.
I think Shirokov makes the team, for instance…
Its all good though, we are all just itching for the damn puck to drop!
vancitydan
How many Rings are in our room right now? Any?
Sammy has a few. And Raycroft has a few collected from Trix boxes over the years.
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Aug 22, 2009 4:27 AM PDT up reply actions
OMG…did Cas’ just slap me in the face with a gauntlet. Pistols at dawn it is then. In front of Gate 16, for Sainted Trevor. You have sullied my honour sir!
Or we could just have a beer somewhere. Whichever, I am pretty flexible.
Zanny…is that it then…SOB and Sammy?
“sigh”
It’ll have to do then.
vancitydan
Well Mats will have a ring in about 6 days…
by Sean Zandberg on Aug 23, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure...
Whew…good thing I don’t have a pistol.
I thought to myself the second after i pressed post that maybe even joking about “pistols at dawn”…in a city like ours is not a good idea. Because dude might just have the entrance requirement that I don’t!
As for the beer, save it for a couple weeks. I plan on attending some of the free practices at UBC. I think the prospects are there the week of Sept 7th…
They must have a pub somewhere around there!
vancitydan
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