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Pick The Rival: The Southeast Division

Vinny? Pudge. Pudge? Vinny.

Vinny? Pudge. Pudge? Vinny.

Fellow SBN'er Five For Howling is busy trying to figure out who the rivals are for Phoenix in each NHL division. And it got me thinking that I have no clue not only who Phoenix's divisional rivals are, but Vancouver's either.

It's a safe bet we can all make a case for who gets the bullseye on the heart of a Northwest team, but other divisions? I'm not so sure. I hate the Rangers to the fiber of my being, but maybe one of you out there likes them (hang you head in shame peasant). Or maybe you're a closet Habs fan while others would willingly accept a jackhammer to the groin instead of pulling their sweater on. Les marteau-piqueurs à l'aine sont mauvais vous savez!

(I have no idea if that translated correctly)

So, with a tip of my helmet in FFH's direction, I present you guys and gals with the same option: Who is Vancouver's biggest divisional rival and why?

We'll kick it off with the Southeast. Follow along for a look at the contestants.

Star-divide

Atlanta Thrashers

Franchise Record: 9GP, 5W, 2L, 1T, 1OTL, 12pts

You read that correctly: 9 games played between the two, by far the least amount of games Vancouver has seen against any other franchise. I honestly can't remember too much of any game against Atlanta. Ever. Though I do recall this past season when the Canucks shit the bed against them, letting Joseph Crabb (what?) open the game with a shorthanded goal, Kovalchuk would pot one in the second and Eric Christensen scored the winner in the shootout. The Sedins provided all the offense in regulation while Demitra remained healthy enough to score in the shootout. Mats Sundin didn't make the road trip for this one. Ass.

And the longer Kovalchuk remains a potential UFA next summer, expect the CDC to go out of their minds with trade proposals to bring him West. In fact, a new drinking game: go google "Kovalchuk canucks trade" and take a shot for every "Sedins for Kovalchuk" rumor you see. We'll send you flowers as you recoop in the hospital. Lillies ok?

Fun fact: Not surprisingly, Vancouver's 30 goals against Atlanta in nine games, and 23 against in the same time frame, both rank dead last for GF/GA in Vancouver franchise history.

 

Carolina Hurricanes

Franchise Record: 62GP, 28W, 23L, 11T, 0OTL, 67pts

We stole their old Whaler colors on the new uni's, they stole Bret Hedican. Then again we stole Dave Babych before they absconded from Hartford. In turn they sent us Enrico Ciccone, Sean Burke and Geoff Sanderson for Kirk McLean and Martin Gelinas in 1998. We got their Andrew Cassels for a few years, they got our Matt Walker. Noted nothing players Darren Langden and Trevor Letowski both played for each squad. More recently (around the time Burke finished up his domestic disputing) the Hurricanes snatched up old Canuck enforcer Wade Brookbank (shown here telling Sundin he's an ass). So...yeah, a rich history indeed.

Fun fact: Remember when the Canucks were absolutely in the tank last January? Guess who pulled out a late shorty to right the ship and start the path towards the division title?

 

 

Florida Panthers

Franchise Record: 20GP, 9W, 4L, 6T, 1OTL, 25pts     

When Pavel Bure had enough of Vancouver, Florida welcomed him and he reciprocated with two consecutive Rocket Richard Trophies but little long term success. Vancouver netted Ed Jovanovski, Dave Gagner, Mike Brown, Kevin Weekes, and Florida's first-rounder in 2000 (hello there Nathan Smith) and, as the Canucks were rebuilding, Gagner provided mild relief at center, Weekes eventually became Felix Potvin and Jovanovski played seven seasons for Vancouver, becoming at the time one of the premier offensive defensemen in the league. All in all the move, or subsequent moves based on the assets, helped the Canucks get back into the post season as well as win the Northwest titlea few seasons later. Gagner is still around as director of player development (and even Scott Mellanby is a special consultant to Mike Gillis).

In 2006 Todd Bertuzzi was moved to Florida with Alex Auld and Bryan Allen for Roberto Luongo, Lukas Krajicek and a sixth round pick. Bertuzzi would score just one goal (though in front of a nice Florida audience) and play seven games for Florida before being dealt to Detroit. Meanwhile, Luongo now holds the Vancouver franchise records for wins in a season (47), save percentage in a season (.921), saves in a single game (72), longest shutout streak (242:36), most shutouts in a season (9) and is tied with Kirk McLean for franchise shutouts (20). Just writing that feels cruel.

So maybe the better question is: does Florida hate Bure, Bertuzzi, Vancouver or Mike Keenan more?

Fun fact: This February Vancouver will play in Florida for the second time in Luongo's tenure as Canuck netminder (assuming he's still around by then of course). If you remember the last time, Vancouver not only lost but the Panthers gave away flat screens for every goal scored on Luongo. Said Puck Daddy at the time, "Incedently, Luongo lost the game, 4-3, giving Florida fans plenty of shiny new televisions to watch their DVD copies of "John Tucker Must Die" and have a good cry. Pussies."

 

Tampa Bay Lightning

Franchise Record: 21GP, 15W, 4L, 2T, 0OTL, 32pts

Prepare yourself for some media fluffiness when Vancouver visits Ohlund in his new Tampa digs in February. Ohlund and Krajicek are one of about 100 defenders that Tampa now has (and yet Vancouver still has holes on the blueline...sigh) but Matty should get plenty of face time up against the Sedins or the Kesler line. Oh to watch Burrows go after Ohlund now...

Vancouver holds a ridiculous .792 points percentage over Tampa in 21 total games, making the Lightning far and away the easiest team the Canucks have yanked two points away from in modern history. Last year SOB wanted to beat his former squad 10-0, but they could barely get by Kari Ramo with a 2-1 win. Maybe this year SOB tempers his pre-game comments accordingly. Besides, we shouldn't forget that Tampa's best moment was stopping Iginla from hoisting the Stanley Cup in 2003-04.

Fun fact: Luc Bourdon's last NHL goal came on January 31, 2008 against the Lightning in Tampa. He opened the scoring but Vancouver ultimately lost 4-3.

 

Washington Capitals

Franchise Record: 82GP, 34W, 37L, 9T, 2OTL, 79pts

It's often tough to look past Ovechkin when considering Washington, but up and down they have a solid roster (except in net) and I'm damned jealous of any team that can roll out Ovechkin along with Semin and Green. It helps explain last year's Vancouver/Washington game which was memorable because (a) Sergei Federov was playing defense for some reason, (b) it Wellwood's first game as a Canuck and (c) Vancouver had the least amount of shots by an opponent in Washington's history. A piss poor evening if ever there was one.

Also there was the Cooke for Pettinger deal that didn't end well. Pettinger played 20 games before being lost on waivers and is now with Ohlund in Tampa. The popular Cooke got to taste the playoffs that year with Washington and won a Cup this past season with Pittsburgh.

Fun fact: This REALLY stretches the definition of 'fun', but three seasons ago, guess who got his first goal on home ice against the Caps?

 

Poll
Who is Vancouver's biggest Southeast division rival?
Atlanta
6 votes
Carolina
20 votes
Florida
65 votes
Tampa
18 votes
Washington, D.C.
74 votes

183 votes | Poll has closed

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How about a "none of the above" option?

On the other hand, can’t see how I’m supposed to pick between the flames or the oilers or the avalanche. Oh h*ll I guess I’ll pick the hated(?) Hurricanes, only ‘cause Burkie used to work for “the Whale”. No, on second thought, I’ll take the Lightning for preventing a Canadian cup and also for the annoyance that is Len Barrie. Hmm guess I’ll doubletake the Canes, then.

This isn’t the same as “which team I’d rather go to see at a game”, right? For that, I’ll take one of those other teams…

by tsusiat on Jul 30, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions  

I kinda have to agree with none of the above

Take out Washington and the southeast has the is about as potent as an eighty year old ballsack.

I know , I know. A case could be made for the Canes as well.

by kesrows on Jul 30, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

ugh

scratch the “has the”

by kesrows on Jul 30, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well that’s the point of the post though: how do you define a rival? Hatred of a player, a team, a city, a legacy? Is it a team you want to watch play Vancouver or just a team you want them to beat incredibly badly? Or is it a team we aren’t likely to beat and that’s what makes it a good measuring stick? Is it Carolina or Tampa because they are recent Cup winners?

It’s easier to pick the west coast ones out of frequency but there may also be a reason you get jazzed up for certain other teams. Clearly the Southeast is the hardest because it’s rare you see each other. However, consider Pittsburgh: they’re rarely seen two and the teams last year tried to annihilate each other so there’s some anger there too.

I imagine one or two teams in each division will bubble to the top of the voting, but the reasons why may differ.

'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.

by Yankee Canuck on Jul 30, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll say Florida because of Luongo and (perhaps) Bure. But these are pretty weak reasons. It’s difficult to have any rivalry with a team you’ve played 3 times in 4 years. The only non-western conference rivals would be the other Canadian teams and the Rangers. I don’t think the Islanders even qualify anymore (not in the past 20 years at least).

by CarolinaCanuck on Jul 30, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Is it Carolina or Tampa because they are recent Cup winners?

That was my original line of thinking, but then those years have passed. I picked Washington because what player outside of Washington really likes Ovechkin? I wouldn’t want him parading around my rink after he scores.

by Sean Zandberg on Jul 30, 2009 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

See? There ya go. I hadn’t even thought about that, short of saying you pick a rival based on a certain player. And your logic is supported by the poll numbers at the moment.

I picked Florida just because of the legacy of trades between the two teams. Bure and Luongo are quite likely the biggest stars this team has had in two decades and both involved Florida, so that uniqueness makes them jump up in my book.

'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.

by Yankee Canuck on Jul 30, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, for sure. There has to be some animosity there. And well, Luongo will play his ass off against his former team.

by Sean Zandberg on Jul 30, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I seem to recall his father in law being mighty pissed at the whole TV promotion.

'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.

by Yankee Canuck on Jul 30, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really? I never heard about that

by Sean Zandberg on Jul 30, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know I’m a homer on this one, but players do like Ovechkin. Hence his Pearson.

Rockin' the Red in Section 412

by boutros23 on Jul 30, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, Pearson award. Good point. Well if he was playing in my rink I wouldn’t want him getting anything at all. No reason to celebrate.

by Sean Zandberg on Jul 30, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll give you that. I’d feel the same way if I were on the other side.

Rockin' the Red in Section 412

by boutros23 on Jul 30, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think as long as he doesn’t celebrate certain moves the opposing team is cool with it. Ditto Don Cherry but he doesn’t count anyway.

'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.

by Yankee Canuck on Jul 30, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lightning just cause they got Ohlund.

AKA: Linix129

by sw12 on Jul 30, 2009 2:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I don’t care who the Canucks play. I just want to see the Canucks play…..and play well…no matter who the opponent is.

by Bobby Canuck on Jul 30, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Washington (kinda)

Just because they’re the ones we’ve got a losing record against. That, plus I actually like Hartford/Carolina: Brind’Amour and Verbeek are two players I loved to watch, and they seem to have a nice mix of speed and punch.

I seem to recall one point a few years back where Vancouver and one of those eastern teams were tied all-time against each other… Great, now I’ve got to find out who! There goes the day!

by Thursday on Jul 30, 2009 4:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, the Canucks are 54-50 against the Leafs.
They are 34-37 against the Capitals
They are 13-10 against the Sens
The are 44-43 against the Sabres.

Where am I getting this?
Check this out

by Sean Zandberg on Jul 30, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pah!

You kids and your modern technology! In my day, we looked this shit up. In books!

Damn, I’m old. Thanks for the link. 8)

by Thursday on Jul 30, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m 35, but act like a kid :)

by Sean Zandberg on Jul 30, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still like NHL Almanac books. But yeah, the internet is god, isn’t it?

by Sean Zandberg on Jul 30, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

There it is

Under the category “Stupid Things I Remember Reading”, we have the odd fact that after the 1999-2000 season, Vancouver was 40-40-18 against Buffalo and 22-22-11 against Carolina all time. They were -11 in goal differential against the Sabres, and +20 verses the Hurricanes.

No wonder I can’t remember my anniversary!

by Thursday on Jul 30, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe you should have gotten married on your birthday…haha

by Sean Zandberg on Jul 30, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great

Another reminder of my age! Nah, I should have gotten married on February 29th like my brother in law did. Fewer gifts to buy, don’cha’know.

by Thursday on Jul 30, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

washington. only because of ovechkin.

i already know my choices for the other two Western Conference divisions, but i’m not too sure about the East, since we don’t see much of them.

GO CANUCKS GO!

by missy on Jul 30, 2009 11:30 PM PDT reply actions  

See how many anagrams you can make from Harold Phillipoff’s name,then maybe.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Jul 31, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Jeremy Irons”
-Lisa Simpson.

/“Simpsons” anagram joke

by Sneps-ish on Aug 1, 2009 12:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Cartoon references are always supported here (it’s how I get my news).

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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 2, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Atlantic piece will be posted shortly…you’ll see!

'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.

by Yankee Canuck on Aug 6, 2009 4:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

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