TSN: No Counter Offer From Gillis To Sedins
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 27, 2009 12:11 PM PDT
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TSN's sources are saying that Mike Gillis met with the Sedin's agent JP Barry after Round 1 of the draft and did not counter offer anything in reply to their 12-year $63 million proposal. This prompts Ben Kuzma at The Province to believe that Gillis is standing pat on his original offer of a 5-year deal and not budging right now, with the damned clock running down to July 1st.
It's head-to-head poker it seems. Gillis seems willing to wait until the last minute before either caving, the Sedins caving, or just letting them hit the free agent market. The latter still seems ludicrous to me. But at the same time, it will free up a lot of money to chase other key free agents and revamp the team. Risky, if you ask me.
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Just curious… who else will really sign them? The Leafs?
We are all Canucks.
by Chinese Canuck on Jun 27, 2009 12:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
any team with 10.5m of cap room and in need of a ready-made good first line or incredible second line?
by passive_voice on Jun 27, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto And those are just the teams that have the cap space. Many others could trade players to make space too.
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 27, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh. This gives me heartburn. You can’t build a cup winning team through free agency. Who would we get to replace them? Cammarelli and Hossa? That sounds more expensive to me than just resigning them.
Bring me Stanley. Alive if possible, dead... just as good.
by King Luongshanks on Jun 27, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
exactly. The 12 year deal is a smaller cap hit, which does answer Chinese Canucks’ question. Another team will sign them for 12 years and abuse the cap system.
However, it’s not over yet. I still think Gilis is going to get it done. He’s just making them sweat. He was an agent before after all.
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 27, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WE NEED THEM
Gillis, do not fail us.
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by Woodinville_12thMan on Jun 27, 2009 5:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It would be the biggest failure of any GM in the league if he doesn’t resign them…I can’t see it happening.
by GZ Expat on Jun 27, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That seems really harsh. I think it would be a bigger failure to cave to JP Berry’s unrealistic demands and saddle the team with a long contract that sees the team paying them long after they have retired from MoDo. In recent articles they Berry has suggested comparable are Kopitar and Paul Stasny. In both cases, though, they are younger players whose early career production is higher than the Sedins.
It’s gonna come down to whether or not the Sedins legitimately want to be in Vancouver. If so, it is gonna have to be at a price that lets Gillis build two top lines. I think, personally, five years at 5.5 million, as is the team’s rumored offer, is very fair for the pair of them. If they turn that down because they want more money or a longer term, it will be kinda sadish, but not Gills’ fault. I agree it has been tough historically to build a team through free agency. But unless you have some young prospects on cheap deals you are certain will contribute, it’s also untenable to overpay to keep players. Canucks prospect closet is reasonably bear and if they overpay the Sedins it will seriously compromise their ability to ice a competitive team. Just watch Calgary next year if they sign JBo. They’ll have the great majority of their cap tied up in something like five or six players. I can’t wait to see how competitive that makes them.
by DeafNotDumb on Jun 27, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and saddle the team with a long contract that sees the team paying them long after they have retired from MoDo.
What do you mean? When they retire to Modo? If that’s the case the contracts are null and void.
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 27, 2009 10:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oops…Apart from that egregious error, I stand beside the rest of my post. You cannot overpay two players and ice a competitive team.
by DeafNotDumb on Jun 27, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel I should clarify this a bit, since there was such a silly error in my first post (paying after they retire from MoDo…I fell in love with the image and forgot about accuracy). In CapWorld, flexibility is a very important asset. Calgary is a perfect example of what happens when you have none. They were hit by a rash of injuries and suddenly had to play without a full roster because they had no room under the cap to add players.
If Gillis overpays for the Sedins, he will lose the ability to take on salary from other GM’s distressed as the cap falls over the next couple years. So as good as Dank and Hank are, meeting their demands will hobble the team.
by DeafNotDumb on Jun 28, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One Point in Vancouver's Favour
Is that they’re impossible to trade, as they only want to play together. Bear in mind also that they are only worth 55-60 goals combined in a good season.
The other side is that they really are a line unto themselves, and WILL make whoever is with them better. Plus, they sell a lot of jerseys and tickets (at least for teams that don’t sell out).
Don’t get me wrong: I want them to stick with Vancouver. They’re a treat to watch, and automatically draw opposing teams’ best checkers.
But if they get to the 1st, look for a very determined and frustrated Burke to push hard for them.
by Thursday on Jun 27, 2009 10:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
first time poster long time reader, am i the only one in Vancouver who thinks Gillis is actually on the ball and has every thing under control. i havent seen him do anything outstandingly stupid yet (sudin was dumb though) i just keep thinking about how he wrapped up burrows to a less than market value contract when he was on fire and how he has kessler talking about pay cuts. i havent heard the words pay cut comming from one other team.
by svenfromsweeden on Jun 27, 2009 10:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That he's a former agent
…doesn’t hurt, either. He knows this side of the game inside and out.
As for Burrows, he was smart enough to know last year may have been his only shot with the Sedins. We’ll see, of course; but I don’t think Kesler’s talk is going to translate into reduced pay next contract. Be nice, though.
by Thursday on Jun 27, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You never know with Kesler. He may just take the cut. I guess it depends on how he does. If he demands a substantial raise we’ll be sure to rub his hypocrisy in his face :)
Sven: You thought getting Sundin was dumb? I guess you’ll be disappointed to learn that Gillis is welcoming him back with open arms then. haha Go Mats!
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 27, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, welcome to the comments section, sven! You’re always welcomed to chat here. But if you bash Sundin I will ban you.
I’m kidding!
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 27, 2009 11:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sundin's a total kneebiter.
He skates like my grandma, and my grandma’s a quadruplegic deaf-blind-mute!
Really though. We need to resign the Sedins. I don’t think the deal they asked for is unreasonable personally. Fair cap hit, if they retire the cap hit lessens a LOT, and if they go to Sweden (as they have often suggested they will) it becomes void…
Look upon my 62% faceoff win rate, ye mortals, and despair!
by Orion Moony on Jun 28, 2009 5:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He skates like my grandma, and my grandma’s a quadruplegic deaf-blind-mute!
In the words of Vince McMahon: “You’re fiiiiiiirreedddd!” haha
Sorry about your grandma btw. :)
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 28, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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