Wednesday Musings
by Yankee Canuck on Jun 24, 2009 7:00 AM PDT
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Friday can't come quick enough, so to help your hump day woes, here's some news and thoughts from around Vancouver land:
Restocking the Cupboards: THW has their take on who the Canucks may draft first overall on Friday. As they say, "the less said about Pat White, the better."
Gaborik and Tampering?: Oh how delicious it would be for Minny fans if the Canucks were tampering with Gaborik and we had to surrender a first round pick. Don't they know, based on history, that we routinely mess it up anyway? Better to let us draft the Nathan Smiths of the world and watch the fall out.
For what it's worth, is this tampering or just stupid?
Lastly, all of this Gabby and Heatley talk is adorable, but what happened with the Sedins?
What Makes A Canucks Fan?: At the least, I think it involves a flag on your car and hating Dave Pratt.
Who's Returning To The Moose?: Gah, I didn't realize Ouellet could be walking away this summer too. I'll still be on his fan train no matter where he goes (assuming it isn't Calgary).
The UFA of the day is Mike Knuble: "...he could tutor Steve Bernier in the fine art of finishing one-timers from three feet away."
Bure Vs Ovechkin: Mining the depths of the CDC for your amusement folks.
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While I think it’s not possible to perfectly compare two players who played in different era and played different style but it’s tempting to say Bure…
Как же так может быть?
by sleza on Jun 24, 2009 8:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It’d be interesting to compare them in their prime, but Oveckin is poised to pass Bure’s numbers fairly quickly:
Bure: 702 GP, 437G, 342A, 779 pts
Ovechkin: 324 GP, 219G, 201A, 420 pts
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Jun 24, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s really a shame that Bure couldn’t play after lockout so those two could’ve played at the same time.
Ovechkin has been able to play healthy all the time which I assume has helped him compared to Bure
Как же так может быть?
by sleza on Jun 24, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, better hope Ovechkin’s knees hold out a bit more than his did.
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Jun 24, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be great
Как же так может быть?
by sleza on Jun 24, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The UFA of the day is Mike Knuble: “…he could tutor Steve Bernier in the fine art of finishing one-timers from three feet away.”
haha! How true!
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2009 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, it's very hard to prove tampering
because you’ll need evidence that the team made contact with the player. The player’s own actions, when it involves no contact with management, are not evidence of tampering. Minnesota of course would complain (what do they have to lose by that?), but unless Gillis is caught talking to Gaborik or his agent, he’ll be found not guilty by the NHL. By the way, tampering can help without a signing; it’s more about the behaviour of the management, whether they talked to another team’s player, I think.
by SJKel on Jun 24, 2009 9:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah the article does talk about the Devils getting compensation for the Blues tampering with Stevens back in the mid 90’s. It’s gotta be so hard to prove.
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Jun 24, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn’t Shanahan a involved in that?
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh… Maybe just a bit involved, yeah. Could you imagine that team if he wasn’t “awarded” as compensation? Wow…
by Thursday on Jun 24, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Wild GM has said today that he has not talked to Gillis. Gillis has flat out denied having any talks with the Gaborik camp. Who to believe…who to believe..
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2009 9:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Wild GM has said today that he has not talked to Gillis. Gillis has flat out denied having any talks with the Gaborik camp. Who to believe…who to believe..
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2009 9:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry, Gabby’s agent said that he has not had any contact with Gillis
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, interesting read at Spector’s today.
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2009 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Yankee, with all the waiting for the Sedins to sign, I guess that gives Gillis some time to see if Wellwood hits the big macs again :) Keep doing those situps, Kyle!
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pudge can’t be dumb enough to let himself go again over the summer…can he?
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Jun 24, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. But it’s pretty tough looking at a cheeseburger and not eating it when all you eat is salad! haha
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d actually be a bit surprised if Ouellet didn’t re-up with Vancouver/Manitoba. He’s going to get the ice time with the Moose, and for anyone trying to get back to the Bigs, that’s vital.
by Thursday on Jun 24, 2009 11:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
was Ouellet injured in the playoffs? I didn’t see him playing for the Moose at all. More than Ouellet, I still don’t get why Krog and Jaffray don’t get NHL jobs. Those 2 were dynamite for the Moose all season long
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed with Krog and Jaffray. Part of the problem is that players coming up only get 4th line time; they are up trying to play a role they might not be built for. On the other hand, they just might not be good enough for the NHL: Jaffray got 14 games this year, and at 28 (almost) may be seen as a career AHL player; and Krog hasn’t been a full-timer for years. After the season they had for Manitoba, they could get one more shot as a veteran depth player (Krog more than Jaffray), but Manitoba’s success was a real team effort without a lot of shine, and that’s not gonna help them make a pitch to NHL teams.
Ouellet’s a bit more confusing: the guy’s got 20 goal potential, clearly, but seems to fall out of favour with coaches pretty quickly. You know how I babble on about Elliot’s “coachability”? I think that may be the problem here…
by Thursday on Jun 24, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa sorry: Elliot? Whodat?
I really hate the fact that Krog and Jaffray are considered AHL-lifers. I’d love to have drinks with AV and get his honest opinion of why that is. On the 3rd line, those 2 could play 12-13 minutes a game. What’s so wrong about that. Wait I have a post coming out about that tonight
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Elliott’s the guy I think we should draft (who’s also available). Unless Colorado will take Schneider in exchange for the second pick… Hey, they need a goalie in a big way, and his stock is as high as it’s going to get!
by Thursday on Jun 25, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Sakic retires the Avs have more money. Then they’ll get a bonafide goalie via free agency.
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 25, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Who, exactly? Anderson, perhaps? Or are you thinking they’ll pitch for Khabibulin? Outside of Fernandez, anyone on that goalie availability list is going to be taking a flier anyway. But we’ll see if Sakic retires, first. If he doesn’t, they’re hard up for cash.
by Thursday on Jun 25, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know who. I just think they need a goalie that is an established starter at the NHL level who’s name isn’t Raycroft or Budaj.
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 25, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I we lose our first round pick...
…what do we really lose anyway? Not that I think we’re tampering, I have a little more faith in Gillis than to think he’s really aggressively pursuing Gabby. But really…
That’s like taking arsenic from a baby. Nothing bad will come of it. Since nothing good was going to come from us having it.
Look upon my 62% faceoff win rate, ye mortals, and despair!
by Orion Moony on Jun 24, 2009 7:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s too negative of an opinion for me, if you don’t mind my bluntness.
I can’t guarantee there’s no tampering going on though. If I was a GM I would tamper away! But we do need to draft well no matter what, and every pick should matter. That has to be the mentality. Look at Detroit and Colorado. They are gold and prime examples.
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 24, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bah.
My negativity has been cultivated by years of hair loss (disclaimer: no actual hair has been lost) as I watch the draft. And I didn’t say I have faith that Gillis isn’t tampering… I just have faith he isn’t all that interested in Gabby. Really don’t want to see Gaborik playing here. Let him go be injured for someone else. I’d be perfectly happy to see him keep being injured for a division rival!
Look upon my 62% faceoff win rate, ye mortals, and despair!
by Orion Moony on Jun 25, 2009 4:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just have faith he isn’t all that interested in Gabby. Really don’t want to see Gaborik playing here.
Testify!
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 25, 2009 3:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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